So long Joe

No offense to cattle but creepy uncle joe just contracted hoof in mouth about social security.

Biden denied wanting to cut Social Security when asked at an Iowa campaign event on Saturday about rumors he wants to change the program, and he lambasted Sanders’ campaign.
“It’s simply a lie, that video is a lie,” Biden said. “I’m looking for his campaign to come forward and disown it but they haven’t done it yet.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden/biden-accuses-sand...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden/biden-accuses-sand...

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Pricknick's picture

you'll have proof positive of rigging.
He's falsly accusing the Sanders camp of posting a doctored video. He's nuts.

Biden charges Sanders camp ‘doctored video’ to attack him
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/18/joe-biden-falsely-attacks-berni...

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— might have broken through more if Sanders had mentioned it at the Democratic debate Tuesday or put it in paid media, instead of on Twitter and Facebook.

How many seniors follow Twitter and Facebook? Is Bernie's campaign run by amateurs or plants?
TV! Particularly day time TV, afternoon or noon news is best. Local stations running re-runs of 70's shows are best for reaching people on SS.

hey, I'm a computer professional and I don't follow twitter or Facebook. The Grampad crowd doesn't either!

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Tulsi Gabbard 2020 !

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@The Voice In the Wilderness
I too do not use twit or faceplant.
But where does that quote come from?

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@Pricknick
Click your link and hit "find" and "might have broken through"
Tenth paragraph.
Entire paragraph is

But the fact that an Iowa voter asked Biden about the issue suggests that Sanders’ criticisms — which are more extensive than the single video Biden referred to and involve multiple remarks by Biden over the years — might have broken through more if Sanders had mentioned it at the Democratic debate Tuesday or put it in paid media, instead of on Twitter and Facebook.

Bolding added by me.

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Tulsi Gabbard 2020 !

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@The Voice In the Wilderness

are on facebook a lot. I see more older folks on there than the younger generations. Amongst the young 'uns, I understand that FB is considered somewhat "old fogey".

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"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

After the preferred candidates have either completely tanked (Harris, Castro, Gillibrand, Booker, etc), failed to launch (Bloomberg, Patrick LOL) or have failed to be produce results after being the One to Prop Up (Buttigieg, Warren), the Cartel is back on for Biden.

Even Donald Trump tweeted that the Democrats are trying to shank Bernie and he specifically accused Nancy Pelosi of scheduling impeachment shenanigans to take Bernie out of Iowa. I thought I was hallucinating:

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1218195021930926082

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1218668999086694400

When you (ahem CNN and "journalists" and "reporters") lose the high ground to Donald Trump, it's time to reevaluate everything.

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@Le Frog
Those that can't see that in him are willfully blind.
I'm almost starting to feel sorry for him.
Almost.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

@Pricknick in the sense that he is in no shape mentally to be speaking in public, never mind seeking office, but is being held actual hostage (probably). On the other hand, this total and utter bastard has destroyed so many lives that it's enough to stop me from worrying about it. Joe Biden as old man with dementia forced into campaigning? Aw shucks, someone do a welfare check. Joe Biden as formerly mentally agile congressman with despicable record? Eat dirt and die, scumbag! It'd be an easier world to live in knowing I no longer have to share oxygen with Joe Biden.

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@Le Frog
Tell everybody how most feel.

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@Pricknick some days, when I'm rewatching that idiot talking about Corn Pop, or his hairy legs, or forcing children to listen to the radio (or whatever he is gibbering), I get wound up that this first-world consumer gets to live in luxury and comfort after sowing so much suffering and stomping on so many people's humanity. After the way he treated Anita Hill so poorly, as one and certainly not the most egregious example, where is the justice in the fact that she and I have to share oxygen with Joe Biden? There is an entire generation that was born in Iraq, as one example of a nation, that has known nothing but America's terrorism. Why do they have to grow up in a war zone filled with death, hunger, and pollution while Joe Biden gets to sit in air-conditioned mansions wearing silk ties and drinking expensive liquor? I don't see his humanity anymore.

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@Le Frog n/t

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Why is he staying in?

Allow me to refer to a couple sources not much cited hereabouts, apparently: Rudy Giuliani and Infowars (yes, them).

Don't have a link, but happened to catch a snippet on Infowars maybe four months back talking about Biden.
They were claiming insider information and predicting that he would drop out.

The gist was this: Biden was not initially at all interested in running but was induced to do so (by whom not specified). He turned it down initially but was assured that he would not face serious competition and that he would get the nomination in a Hillary style coronation and not have to to much work so reluctantly agreed to run.

However, it was turning out to be more work and being subjected to far more scrutiny and criticism than he bargained for and Joe (supposedly) wanted out.

Well, obviously, he's still in.

So, what does that have to do with Giuliani? Maybe nothing, but Giuliani has been investigating Biden since Fall 2018 and has claimed on multiple occasions that he has evidence of Biden corruption extending back 30-40 years.

Does he? I don't know. But Giuliani actually has a pretty serious record as a prosecutor of complex RICO cases and seems to be raring to be called as a witness in the impeachment circus so I wouldn't just dismiss his claims.

And if Giuliani has compromising material he is likely not the only one.

Not proof, but the Infowars account is at least provides a plausible explanation for why Joe is in it at all. And if Giuliani's corruption claims are credible then the incentive for Biden to stay in could be that he is subject to some outright blackmail to continue and/or just be desperate to win so as to be in a position to make it all go away...

Interesting possibilities, anyway - best stay stocked up on popcorn.

"Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army."

- Edward Everett

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I appreciate the twitter text.

I think everyone, including Bernie, should do the same. What is the point of responding/wasting breath on someone like him?

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@janis b
What joe is doing is no different than what hillbot did in 2016. Lie.
But damn, it's nice to see that sanders has a team that won't let them get away with it this time.
What I find even more facinating, is that the so-called top tier is self-imploding.
It's a sight to see.
Sanders only has to stay on message and the rest will fall on their own. That take's a hell of a team and organization and it's far more evolved this election.

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@Pricknick

As you say, "Sanders only has to stay on message and the rest will fall on their own."

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@Pricknick I've commented on other threads saying that I would be positively drooling to take the low road, if I was Bernie. I'd be leaking lists of who is being propped up by which lobby/corporate interest, any conversation recording I could, every email chain, every committee memo, every DC rumour - just non-stop napalming bridges and salting the earth.

However, this isn't Bernie. He is a person of immense integrity and moral character; I don't think he has it in him to go for low blows (if he does, I will be extremely disappointed). He's going to answer questions directly, base his campaigning on the issues, and remind everyone that he needs their help.

His approach sets him for the history books. Mine sets me up for a future contestant spot on Dancing With the Stars.

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@Le Frog
i've been known to run naked during a full moon. That's as close as I can come to the stars.

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@Pricknick -- with their own eyes -- the factual evidence in favor of Barack Obama as a Republican wannabe. Until such time you'll see things like you saw last August, when Rahm Emanuel put out an article titled "Democrats, This Is Your Future If You Turn on Obama." Of course, one of Obama's most wannabe moments was in appointing Joe Biden as his Vice-President.

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"Workers for Bloomberg" is like "Slaves for the Confederacy."

@Pricknick

Although Bernie and his team are looking dynamic at the moment, it seems to me that Bernie people have incentive to keep Tulsi and Yang in the race.

After all, given Sanders' age and the establishment's bitter dislike for him, the possibility of him having to drop out for some reason can't be discounted.

Where would Bernie people go in that event? If Gabbard and Yang were not around as alternatives the prospects would be pretty bleak, no?

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@Blue Republic Not all that impressive. Young, no political experience, successful tech entrepreneur (yeah, one of them). He really thinks a person can survive in this country on $12 grand a year. How much will be gross, and how much net income? Another bad joke. But, if Yang can stir up a few more politically 'meh' geeks to vote, that's worth something. Rec'd!!

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"Trump is on trial for abuse of power--the Davos elites should be in the dock too...."
---Robert Reich

@orlbucfan
Not sure I can tolerate watching Bill Maher long enough to
actually sit through that, but UBI and some of Yang's other ideas are worth hearing - he might be good in a cabinet post or high level advisor capacity.

Have to love his "Make America Think Harder" thing, anyway.

Personally, I'm all in for Gabbard - I think she has a combination of will, background knowledge and experience and fundamental respect for constitutional principles (and people) that I don't see in other candidates.

She's also the only one in the field I can see beating Trump - barring alien invasions, asteroid strikes or the wheels completely falling off the economy before November.

I'm sure that Bernie is the second choice of many, if not most, Gabbard supporters - but who is the second choice of Sanders supporters? Seems like conventional wisdom was that it would be Warren, but how attractive does that seem now?

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@humphrey while Joe Biden monologued all lies about his alleged anti-war stance. He and the rest of his 100% Beyond Malarkey sham of a campaign are being handled with the softest of kid gloves. Even if one despises Bernie Sanders, one cannot not see the media bias and propping up of Biden.

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Elizabeth Warren Won't Run for President Against Trump, Says She'll Serve Full Senate Term If Reelected By Marie Solis On 4/06/18 at 10:46 AM EDT

Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren quashed rumors that she'll run against President Donald Trump in 2020, stating in no uncertain terms that, if reelected to the Senate this November, she will serve the full six years in office.

"Yes, that's my plan," Warren said on Thursday at a town hall for the Boston Teachers Union. "I'm running for the United States Senate in 2018. I am not running for president of the United States. That's my plan."

People have speculated for months whether Warren would challenge Trump in the next presidential race, especially as the president continues to sling insults at her, mounting what appears at times to be a systematic attack on a potential political opponent.

Any doubt that Warren got into the democratic clown car just to stop Bernie?

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@snoopydawg
to replace her when the time comes.
And to think that I once thought highly of her.

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@Pricknick Lots of us did. I know personally I’ve been so desperate to believe in anyone in politics, that it caused me to believe for a while even though my gut said don’t.

Listen to Michael Moore’s latest podcast. A lot of it is the typical McResistance garbage but I feel sorry for the dude as he’s genuinely heartbroken over this.

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@snoopydawg Is the proper female version of pinocchio ....... pinocchiette? Liz is pretty good at fabricating falsehoods.

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@humphrey

lol and how do you pronounce that?

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pinocchiette (Pee-no'-shiite)

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@snoopydawg

Pinocchia-Hontas?

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Pinocchio-hontas, @humphrey

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@snoopydawg Warren could have had a serious shot at POTUS if she had run in the last election, Omnishambles Clinton notwithstanding. (If anyone still doesn't believe that the fix was in, one need only see who and how many people ran in 2015/6 and how many people started in the race in 2019. That field was cleared like a logging company coming for the Amazon.) She missed her moment of popularity and could have taken the I Was Team Obama schtick on the campaign trail with better results than Clinton.

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@humphrey

It is a good thing I wasn't sipping my coffee when I saw that. I am so stealing it. Thanks for the hearty chuckles this fine morn.

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and a Warren supporter. This just rubs me wrong.

“I believe you 100%,” one woman told Warren at an event in Iowa.

“I am here to tell you that as a woman working in construction and reporting on sports, I believe you 100%,” Tanya Keith, 48, told Warren at a Planned Parenthood house party here on Saturday. “Because I looked at you and I looked at him and I’m like, ‘He did that.’”

“I know that Bernie Sanders said those things to you, because I have seen your body language, and I’ve seen his body language,” added Keith, who was backing Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and is now undecided. “And I know what men say to us in rooms and then what they say to us in rooms and then what they say to us in person to gaslight us, and I just want you to know that I believe you 100%.”

At the Planned Parenthood event on Saturday, Keith said she had “a little PTSD” from the 2016 primary. She was a Hillary Clinton supporter, and watched how vicious it became within the Democratic Party. She said she didn’t “want to see Bernie Sanders’ people doing to your supporters what they did to us.” She asked Warren “what your plans are for shutting that down” and “winning his supporters over” if she becomes the nominee.

Really? Debunked? No not so much. This is about Moore's podcast.

I listened to the entire podcast that Michael Moore made attacking Elizabeth Warren. It is an appalling mess, well below Moore’s usual standards. There are numerous factual errors in it, and all of these accusations of her lying have been debunked.

He ignores the fact that "Janitor" and "Maintenance Man" are synonyms.

Warren is an honest, sincere progressive. She did not deserve any of these attacks.

And of course it's a hit job to point out that Biden is on record many times trying to cut social security. Even though he was the one who appointed Alan Simpson to the Cat Food commission during MyBoss crime spree presidency.

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@snoopydawg ? Agh, made me want to puke. Those women are so empty, blank and ignorant that they're just short of zombiehood, and Warren is cynical and manipulative as ever, playing the gender card for all it's worth. I'm not a socialist (or capitalist, ftm) but one of the things I love about wsws.org is their open, upfront contempt for identity politics.

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@laurel

Those women are so empty, blank and ignorant that they're just short of zombiehood, and Warren is cynical and manipulative as ever, playing the gender card for all it's worth.

Well said.

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@snoopydawg He sounded heartbroken but like he’s in that period where he still wants desperately to believe in Warren. I thought he was too kind to her by a large measure.

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"you just called me a liar on national TV"

“I’m looking for his campaign to come forward and disown it but they haven’t done it yet.”

It seems to be coordinated.

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@Shahryar
it was "I think you just called me a liar on national TV".
She wasn't even sure of herself. "I think I can walk on the ceiling" has the same effect.
It's all bullshit.

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@Shahryar

I think most everyone sees this for what it is. I'm betting next week we will see another hit on Bernie. I posted an article in my essay about a letter Bernie wrote over a decade ago has found its way into public view again. Who dug that up? I like the Bernie then better than the one now because he was not only calling out the despicable democrats, but saying that they can't be changed from the inside of the party.

Who has the sigline about joining the mafia and trying to change it from the inside? Deja maybe?

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@Shahryar

against the 'liar, liar' smear, so now when Joe tries it he doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt. Quite the opposite in fact.

You'd think Biden's lieutenants would see Warren's shipwreck and change tack. Instead, it's damn the torpedoes time.

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Bernie 2020: Hey, you didn't think this would be easy, did you?

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I've lived through President Clinton and Barack Obama's presidencies. Both guys tried to gut the Social Security program to prove how "bi-partisan" the were.

President Obama went so far as to appoint the "cat food commission" to study the issue and it took a gigantic effort from the people on the political Left to stop it.

Joe Biden and company need to stop lying about what they've done and what they've supported. Anyone with 2 to 5 fingers can look it up on the internet and call them on it.

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"He is the truest friend; he has the farthest vision; he is the greatest man I have ever known." --Winston Churchill on Franklin Delano Roosevelt

@Situational Lefty @Situational Lefty

Obama Wanted to Cut Social Security. Then Bernie Sanders Happened

"....Lawson’s organization has worked with lawmakers and other nonprofit organizations to oppose Obama’s proposed Social Security cuts and shift the conversation towards expansion. By the summer of 2014, a small group of Democratic caucus senators, led by Sen. Bernie Sanders, started advocating for lifting Social Security’s payroll tax cap so wealthier people paid more into the system, and then increasing benefits to seniors. Polling by advocacy groups found broad support for expansion.

This idea became a central theme in Sanders’s presidential campaign. In the speech announcing his candidacy, the senator said that “instead of cutting Social Security, we’re going to expand Social Security benefits.”

“It has become impossible for elected officials to ignore the simple fact that Social Security is a solution and not a problem, and that the only thing wrong with it are that benefits are too low,” Lawson said.

In both 2008 and 2012, Obama explicitly campaigned on protecting the Social Security program and rejecting plans that would cut benefits. But shortly after re-election in 2012, the Obama Administration proposed re-calculating the way Social Security’s cost of living adjustments work...."
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/02/obama-wanted-to-cut-social-security-...

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@aliasalias . It is mind-boggling how much the American people have lost over the past 40 years. Now we must fight for every last crumb of what we (or our parents) once took for granted.

A little reminder (excuse the extravagant background music) ...

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about my Republican record!

(Cue vid after vid after vid....)

This will not end well for Joe.

Karma has teeth.

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Bernie 2020: Hey, you didn't think this would be easy, did you?

The oligarchy's highly paid, genius-level persuaders (no sarcasm) are now focused on undermining Bernie's strongest personal trait: his moral rectitude, his character. This is how they plan to take him down. It's how they've been operating lately, and they're very good at it; they did it to Julian Assange and succeeded.

I don't know how to counter this type of attack, but pointing it out for exactly what it is would be a good start. Note the similarities between the Biden and Warren assaults. And document the supporting evidence of Biden's actual dismissiveness toward SS.

They will do anything to break Bernie' momentum. That's what Lizzy's Hail Mary was about. The ultimate objective is to eliminate the people as a factor. It became obvious in the 1980s & 90s that we are the enemy. It's us against them, and they have all the money, power, connections, organization (including media). All we have are the numbers and our remaining legal standing via the Constitution ("We the People"). Bernie and Tulsi are our sole representatives on the national arena, all the rest (except maybe Yang) are working for the oligarchy/establishment/deep state. It's exactly as Pluto's Republic wrote a few days ago -- "We are all he has, and he is what we've been given."

We can laugh all we want at old Joe, but what we need to do right now is reinforce Bernie's moral and ethical flank, his character as evidenced by his history and also in contrast to that of his opponents. (And like many, I loathe his Russiagate and TDS blather, but he's sticking to it, perhaps with good reason.)

We knew it would get ugly, and it is. It's just going to get worse. Hope Bernie's up for it -- and us, too.

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@laurel

They can try to Wiley Coyote Bernie all they want. Bernie's the Roadrunner. Beep! Beep!

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@humphrey

Otherwise, I'm just tuckered out trying to keep up with all the smears on Bernie.

And it seems like Iowa, a very, very, very, very white state, is now seen by oddsmakers as crucial as to who winds up with the nomination. I just saw something comparing how odds change for each of the top candidates comparing winning in IA and losing in IA anf the differences are GIGANTIC, especially for the top three candidates. I looked for the tweet again but can't quickly find it.

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@humphrey

She is one of the best and I count myself as fortunate to have been able to help elect and (in a small way) fund her. We're fortunate to have both Jayapal and Kshama Sawant out here.

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@Creosote.

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@humphrey

destroy the village to save it.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

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I was recently listening to a guy on MSNBC who described politics today as being played in Ronald Reagan's stadium since 1980.

He also said that from 1932 to 1980, politics were being played in FDR's stadium.

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate brave enough, smart enough and loud enough to get us back to FDR's stadium.

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"He is the truest friend; he has the farthest vision; he is the greatest man I have ever known." --Winston Churchill on Franklin Delano Roosevelt