The first post-debate polls
So the Warren campaign, CNN, WashPost (which has been worse than normal), and the DNC all ganged up to take down Bernie this week.
How did that go?
The online poll, released Thursday, shows that 20% of registered Democrats and independents said they would back Sanders over 11 other candidates to run in the general election against President Donald Trump, an increase of 2 percentage points from a similar poll that ran last week.Another 19% supported Biden, 12% said they would vote for Senator Elizabeth Warren, 9% backed former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and 6% said they would support Pete Buttigieg, the former mayor of South Bend, Indiana.
Sanders and Bloomberg have increased their level of support in each of the last three Reuters/Ipsos polls starting in mid-December, while support for Biden, Warren and Buttigieg has remained flat.
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The poll shows that standing does not appear to have been hurt by his recent confrontation with Warren over Sanders’ views of women and politics.
So far, Sanders’ and Warren’s support remains unchanged among women, with about 15% supporting Sanders and 11% supporting Warren.The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted in English throughout the United States from Jan. 15-16.
NEW SENATOR APPROVAL RANKINGS: @BernieSanders retains his spot as the country's most popular senator among his/her constituents.@SenatorCollins unseats @senatemajldr as the most unpopular.https://t.co/6aFYI9jEAW pic.twitter.com/SBbuFruIIC
— Morning Consult (@MorningConsult) January 16, 2020
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Warren's campaign should be unfurling
that George W. Bush MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner. Nothing else will do.
Nate Silver sez Warren did good
how come Silver's numbers don't look like the polls?
LOL Nate Silver
Anyway, bless Nate's heart. While he's reading tea leaves, I'm scooping out the litterbox: tomato, tomahto!
litterbox
That alone would incentivize me to believe you over Silver.
"Hi-yo Silver, away!"
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Because Nate Silver is a fool?
When I was in a communication studies program at The Ohio State University we were all required to take a two-unit stats class. Well, I attended the sessions, and I don't think I understood much of anything in the textbook or in the lectures. I did, moreover, feel rather lost when trying to do the problems in the tests. I think my main problem was in not really believing in what I was doing -- in the past I did okay in math classes through first-year calculus, but stats appeared to me as a thoroughly bogus subfield of math, giving scholars the courage to say all sorts of nonsense because "look at the statistical analysis!" So all of my hard work in stats class was perfunctory. But hey, I got a "B"!
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Had to take statistics in grad school
And I had not been in a math class since the tenth grade. Thought my head would burst. What got me through was my uncle, who was a junior high principal, bought me "Statistics for Idiots." Plus my professor was hillarious. He actually was teaching us how "statistics" are used to lie.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Because it's always good
for a political candidate to outright lie, that's exactly what we're looking for in our political leaders!
The smaller the mind the greater the conceit. --Aesop
I LOL'd
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Don't like who people voted for? Change the results
This looks hinky...but then it's the DNC who decides which candidate gets to win.
Twitter is abuzz with shaming people to vote blue no matter who because Trump is so bad. I keep asking those people who are pushing this that if Trump is such a dangerous president then why are democrats continually voting for his agendas? So far no one has answered me.
Saw that too. At first glance thought it was disconcerting, but
this piece claims it was at the behest of Bernie.
Anyone familiar with the rules change meeting and/or what exactly was the impetus for this?
That said Iowa remains foremost in my mind about 2016. Because Bernie should have been declared winner outright. The Des Moines Register, who endorsed Clinton, called the whole thing a "debacle," inferring that the correct winner wasn't chosen. Had Bernie won outright and then destroyed her in NH it would have been harder for them to have cheated him with that much momentum.
Guess we'll see how this goes. But it's gotta be vert closely monitored.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
"...then why are democrats continually voting for his agendas?"
Thanks. I'll be using that one myself. It gets right to the point.
This has been my question as well
Sigh.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Saagar has some good advice for Bernie
Screw unity, Bernie is weak for not attacking Warren
Thoughts?
There's a difference
between saying "screw unity", which many of us do, and expecting Bernie to launch a personal attack on Warren of the type shown here. He is not going to do that, it flies in the face of who he fundamentally is. It's not weakness to focus on the policies that Americans are struggling and dying without, and leave the gossipy "Survivor" score-keeping to the vacuous talking heads since that's all most of them are really good for anyway.
The smaller the mind the greater the conceit. --Aesop
Saager isn't calling for Bernie to attack Warren
But the media for its stupidity and for focusing on petty things like republicans did back in the day.
Not to mention this was a trap
That said, I would hope he doesn’t forget this moment either.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
Steyer handled the confrontation well
. . . and helped immensely in snuffing it out like a candle so Bernie could move out of the situation.
I'm starting to think Steyer might be at least a halfway decent guy.
The impeachment hearings/trial is going to put a lid on the confrontational aspect of it for the time being, but I'm sure Warren is still in cahoots with mass media folks to keep pumping the anti-Bernie sexist/racist tropes.
What was the worst about it is that the Bernie campaign was just starting to rev up criticisms of Biden and this desperate underhanded ploy of Warren sidetracked it some. But I guess the GOP will hone in on Biden/Burisma as we move forward. Biden won't do well in the early primaries aside from SC anyway. Super Tuesday on March 3rd will be the BIG determining factor in who is in contention for and maybe even who gets the nomination.
That's true
Retaliating against Warren in any way would have a price
Wow. Warren gets slammed by a news site that doesn't like
Bernie.
It's bad when a news article from ones home state doesn't believe you.
As Nina Turner said:
I know 30 years ago Warren was a republican
Bull. Democrats haven't stood up for working families since long before the Clintons slimed their way into the WH and then destroyed everything democrats once stood for. The democrats moved so far right they became republicans and Warren finally joined them.
Warren has a twist on an old saying "I didn't join the party,
the party joined me."
Absolutely!
You’d think someone who went from there to being a Democrat “progressive” presidential candidate would have a story about that they’d want to tell. Oddly, she never brings it up. Wonder why?
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
I notice Tulsi up there at 6&
I'm proud of her anti-war ass being up there so far.
It reminds me of 2000's chants of "Let Ralph Debate!".
"The enemy is anybody who is going to get you killed, no matter which side he's on." Yossarian
Tulsi Gabbard
is the strongest woman in the primary. I don't mean she is in the strongest position to win. I mean she is mentally and emotionally strong; smart, tough, resilient, and willing and able to take action.
She's just the kind of woman whom you'd think those self-proclaimed "feminists" would rush to support. They're not doing so, and I don't think it has much to do with her policy positions or even her "present" vote that garnered so much fury.
I think they reject Tulsi because they are looking for someone on whom they can project their own life stories. Someone through whom they can act out their rage and resentment. In 2016, Hillary willingly served the role of carrying their projections. This time around, it was Kamala first and now Warren.
Tulsi is not playing the dysfunctional game that would attract those kinds of people to her.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Tulsi and Nina, a Great Combinition
I trust both Tulsi and Nina wind up in upper level spots in a Bernie Sanders administration.
Tulsi and Nina
I fully expect both of them to have important positions in the Sanders administration. It's interesting to speculate what those might be. From what I can tell, Nina and Tulsi have a good personal relationship and respect each other, so they presumably would work well together.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
What women fill top administrative positions if Bernie Wins?
I'm not usually one to put the apple cart before the horse but the idea of Tulsi and Nina being appointed to whatever got me thinking . . . And although I really do abhor IdPol . . .
Well, we can still dream and imagine this or that, can't we?
Tulsi or Nina as VP? Tulsi as head of Dept of Defense (let's change the name to Department of Peace as per Dennis Kucinich's idea), Rep to UN, Sec of State? Nina as head of Dept of Housing and Urban Development?
Warren has certainly, I hope, pissed her way out of any position. And maybe Justice Dems can run a real Native American against her in Massachusetts. Sorry but her backstabbing of a purported friend and ally really ticks me off. I would have expected that kind of stuff from Clinton as part of her MO but I was surprised and disappointed that it came from Warren. I probably should have known better given her track record. My blood is still boiling.
Susan Sarandon for head of National Endowment for the Humanities or something even more solidly political.
Briahna Joy Gray for Press Secretary, for sure, for sure.
Katie Halper? Nomiki Konst? Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor? Rosario Dawson (is she still with Booker?)?
Would Klobuchar as VP be a good idea to balance the ticket? Would she even consider such a role with Bernie?
You forgot
Klobbachair as Bernie's VP? Well, she is a slightly better fit with him, as a sop to the centrist Dem wing, for the reassuring woman factor, for some white middle-class moderate appeal in the MW and Upper MW. Ideologically, there is some concern in a JFK/LBJ sense, assassination insurance issues and all that. But unlike that unlikely awkward pairing, Klob doesn't bring ethical and trust issues, and apart from occasionally Klobbing her staff, doesn't have nearly as many felony priors as the corrupt, scheming Lyndon brought.
I think Bernie could do better, however, and probably with a woman who brings a two-fer as a POC. I very much liked the rec one poster gave the other day of the Latina NM Gov Michelle Grisham. A dynamic, impressive public speaker in the one lengthy YT video I saw. Good sense of humor too. Would help bring more Hispanics to the polls -- a group that traditionally underperforms in turnout -- and wouldn't hurt with AAs. She could even help put AZ in play.
I continue to think Liz has screwed herself re being picked for VP. No longer on Bernie's short or long list. Not a wise pick for Biden, unless he wants to alienate millions of voters for Bernie.
I think Krystal Ball would be most effective . . .
. . . if there was just some way she could find a bigger forum than The Hill on YouTube. But then there's the problem of having to worry about being corporate unfreindly. I could see her in just about any position in a presidential administration but she is just sooo freaking amazing on media. I really can't think of anyone more insightful and sharp.
Your LBJ-Klobuchar take really freaked me out. Really insightful though. And scary af. Reminds me how serious politics really is.
I'll check out Michelle Grisham who I know nothing about. I am totally clueless about who a winning VP would be at this point. And again while I really don't like IdPol, when it comes to selecting a VP, I don;t see how it can be avoided and that it almost has to be a black woman at this point in time, no?
If Bernie does pull off the miracle, though, it will really be interesting to watch all the party hacks come crawling, trying to make nice to him.
Method rather than narcissism?
I wonder whether Bloomberg is running only so he can legally run full-on attack ads against Trump? I don't think he could do that, at least not without significant restrictions, as a private citizen. The occasional bit of media attention he garners is just gravy.
Bloomberg's a Clinton Buddy
He's definitely taking votes away from Biden.
I just saw Bernie is doing quite well in the most recent NYS poll (I think I was surprised that he was even leading the pack but now I can't find the poll) where Bloomberg might be expected to be at his best (but I figure the Rubicon will be crossed by then).
So what is Bloomberg's utility and to whom?
I can't see him as directly helping Clinton or whoever in terms of a second ballot coz he's not going to get 15% of the vote anywhere, thus no delegates to horsetrade. But he still serves to keep Biden away from winning on the first ballot.
If Bernie pulls off the miracle, Bloomberg could run third party but he has stated that he will provide support to Bernie if he wins the nomination.
I noticed that in the latest NH poll, Klobuchar jumped way up to 10% from 2%, obviously taking votes from Warren and Biden. So, she's actually helping Bernie. I don't imagine TPTB will let her continue her run too much longer.
Yesterday I made a discovery
To show you how well things can remain hidden in the MSM, I just discovered last night that as a Republican and corporate lawyer Warren represented Dow Corning/Dow Chemical in that huge class action suit by thousands of women regarding Dow's leaking breast implants. As you may suspect, her role as a corporate lawyer was to minimize the payout to the victims.
This morning I think like it's one of those things that everyone knew but nobody talks about. I mean, how can a woman run under the progressive feminist banner and work for such a foul corporation that injured thousands of women (silicone leaking into your body is bad for your health)?
Did anyone here know this about Warren?
How can you present yourself as a feminist with this on your resume without multiple explanations and mea culpas?
Warren / Dow
And how can you avoid any meaningful media scrutiny, especially when you're pulling your IdPol schtick?
The smaller the mind the greater the conceit. --Aesop
Meaningful media scrutiny
"Meaningful" being the operative word there.
The corporate media is not interested in giving the public meaningful information. As we know, their purpose is to propagandize.
The information about Warren's corporate lawyering for Dow has been in social media and independent news sources. MSM is not going to touch it.
You know how Tulsi Gabbard destroyed Kamala's campaign, when she talked about Kamala's AG career during the debate?
I'm glad she did, but it should not have been left to Tulsi to inform the American public. That was basic information about a presidential candidate that the news media should have reported on.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Senate favorability poll doesn't bode well for Lizzie Boardroom
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
What BS
The obvious implication being that he has problematic views which he assuredly does not.
The smaller the mind the greater the conceit. --Aesop
The Democrats hate Tulsi for the same reason
they hate Dennis Kucinich.
They hate actual anti-war politicians.
They're more than willing to back fake anti-war candidates like Barack Obama and Mayor Pete!, but when it comes to people like Dennis and Tulsi it's just like "Yuck, this one's too anti-war!" get rid of him/her. Identity politics be damned!
"The enemy is anybody who is going to get you killed, no matter which side he's on." Yossarian