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mimi's picture

so I would be grateful for an explanatory comment for what is the meaning of it, from anybody who wouldn't mind to help me out..
Thank You.

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edg's picture

If so, I'm too dense to understand the message, the context, the location, or the purpose.

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mimi's picture


I made myself to try to understand that photo.

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mimi's picture

ok, I see two soldiers in the back holding a horse between them. The horse has no rider on his back. So, I think this is a funeral scene for some US soldier who rode his horse into battles of war, died and had to leave his horse behind alone. The lonely horse is lead tby the two other soldiers as to follows his fallen horseman to his his grave, mourning.

I see a peace sign, formed by US soldiers (probably Veterans), but not a complete peace sign. Inside the circle of the peace sighn, it has only one branch to the right and not two branches to the left and the right. From the soldiers, who make out the right branch in the inside of the circle, many of those soldiers flow out from that branch to surround the whole circle at the outside, as if they want to sympbolize that they want to protect all the people in black inside that peace circle.

I am not sure why the people wear all black and I am not sure if they represent soldiers or veterans themselves. I would say these are all the civilian people who came to the funeral and to mourn the death of the fallen soldier.

In my imagination I see a Funeral, as if the Peace itself has died... The ones who went to war, meant to keep the peace alive and protect the people from war. But it looks like as if they couldn't quite do just that, because only the right branch circled around the ones in black inside. The left branch is mmissing. The whole peace circle was incomplete from the beginning.

Oh my, that's a tough one for me.

Sigh, I have a photo of a donkey, who says to me (in German on the photo): "Don't believe everything you think." I think I am that donkey right now:

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I either can't think, or I can't believe, or both. Please forgive if I have misunderstood everything and may have hurt your feelings.
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Centaurea's picture

US Army Central Command, 1st Theatre Sustainment Command headquarters. 1st TSC troops posed in formation to mimic their logo, an "arrow in a circle" with the arrow pointing at 10:30.

Doing a bit of googling, apparently there's speculation that the extra row of people posed across the bottom of the circle is supposed to signify the letter "Q".

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"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

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of that circle now? An arrow in the circle for peace? Ouch. I had no clue.

Was für ein Esel bin ich doch!
(in the German language one describes a stupid person as being 'ein Esel', ie a donkey.)

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I started out trying to figure out the symbolism. First I thought it was meant to represent the "power" symbol, the button you press on digital devices to turn them on and off. I thought, maybe the troops are giving the American people a coded message, as in "turn off these #$% wars". (:lol: One can dream ...)

Then I noticed the sign behind them. I had to squint real hard, but I noticed the "arrow in a circle" logo on the sign, and the words "US Army Central". Doing a bit of online research gave me what I posted above.

Not completely sure what it means to us at C99, though. Has Q shown up in the swamp?

Edited to add: Thinking about this gave me an idea about why Tulsi might be focusing on South Carolina (along with New Hampshire). The US military has a large presence in SC, including US Army Central.

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"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

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...ack, why do something simple and straight forward, when you can do it complicated. Makes so much sense.

I guess some USian Military Guy just wanted to confuse me old German Fräulein./s

Now I see just old donkeys in militars fatigues all over the place.
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The photo was that fuzzy I couldn't see what you saw in the signs. NOthing for Ungood.

Peace... is all I want.

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Right after Trump got elected and the truth about how the CIA and FBI set him up as Vlad's puppet and the Mueller investigation started.... people on Reddit at first and then 4chan thought that they were getting inside tips from someone in Trump's group that gave cryptic hints at what was going to happen.

I admit to following the Q phenomenon for awhile. I quit after nothing he said would happen did. Okay some things did happen, but nothing actually came from them. Earlier this year I read some articles that said Q was a bunch of people inside the intelligence agencies trying to spoof people.

This picture is of military dudes forming the letter Q. They might be sending people a message or they just might be having a joke.

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The message echoes from Gaza back to the US. “Starving people is fine.”

Alligator Ed's picture

Very well done. Nice work!

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PriceRip's picture

          I got caught in the maintenance vortex so this is a bit late: If you are seeing an extra row at the bottom, then there is an extra row at the top as well. So, I ain't buying that. I suspect the orders got screwed up as to forming the formation. Never ascribe to malice that which can be ascribed to incompetence.

US Army Central Command, 1st Theatre Sustainment Command headquarters. 1st TSC troops posed in formation to mimic their logo, an "arrow in a circle" with the arrow pointing at 10:30.

Doing a bit of googling, apparently there's speculation that the extra row of people posed across the bottom of the circle is supposed to signify the letter "Q".

RIP

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Raggedy Ann's picture

of their secret symbolism, all I can think of is what fools they are for joining the military. I see fools there. That’s it.
Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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(edited typos)
in his defense?

He joined because he needed the security of a paycheck (and as an immigrant and a little bit unusual ID set-up and life-path, that was neihter his fault, nor his stupidity, but was simply his life's conditions thrown at him). He had no clue (as well as myself had no clue and thousands and thousands of others, especially those service members, who were not born in the US and went not through your school system and had no American born parents). These service members are exactly those the US likes to hire as their future cannon fodder to make that perfectly clear to you. The recruiters are very good at finding them and offer them something they need.

Do you know how many of those kind of service members you do have in the US military? Do you know how many join just so that they might get a chance of getting a permanent resident green card and after that being allowed to become US citizens? Do you know how many of those, who came into the US, were simply hungry and wanted to make some money to send their families back home? (As Alligator said in one of his comments once, that he only gets serious when he is hungry? I could understand this little remark.) Do you know how many of those service members lose their previous citizenship they had before joining the US military?

After that they are declared fools by their US neighbors and outcasts in their original home country's communities, where they were born ... on top of it. Great honor to be you US resident fool now.
Aggressive

Nothing for Ungood. Every chicken picks a wrong corn, sometimes. I had difficulties to digest this one.

I want to live in peace here and that's all I want. I guess you would like that too, right?

All I can say, may you never need to emigrate from the US, not belonging to the tribes over in the country you immigrated into. May you not be poor and have to join that countries military to fight in their stupid wars. I guess you would change your mind a bit about those fools you are seeing, because then you would be one of them. I wouldn't wish that for you in a million years.

Trying to exhale now. Sorry. That wasn't that good. I know, but it wanted out. I know you are a very kind person and always cheer others up.

Peace.

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mhagle's picture

Joined the army reserves while still in high school. Smart dyslexic kid. Did a tour in Iraq early on where he was a sergeant leading a team of other kids who every day went out to find unexploded bombs. Came home and worked construction for a few months and the army came and asked him to come back and be a teacher. He has done that ever since. He has a great wife and two beautiful babies. He is almost at the 20-year mark. I hope he never gets sent overseas again.

My stepson in the National Guard spent a year in Afghanistan and a year in Africa. He is now getting his master's degree on the GI bill.

All of these kids are not in it because they like war. They just need a job.

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

to blame the victim but never the one who instigates the actual crime, isn't it? So easy to sit in judgement of what someone else feels they have to do when one is never put into the situation that forces someone else to make such a decision. It is, after all, the American Way.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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and I do realize these people are joining for education reasons and for "job" reasons, etc. I know I should be blaming the system, and I do, but I do also wish that people would see through the ruse and not join. Without a military, they cannot fight these endless wars unless it is all drones. I know there will always be those that want to be in the military for their own reasons. It's the ones described above that I have the most angst about.

Also, I believe those in the formation are not your average soldiers. They seem to be the officers that put the average soldier at risk.

Sorry if I have offended you. It was not my intent. It is just my passion that our youth would stop volunteering. Impossible, probably.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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I think that the number of military members is down since the big jump after The Event and lots of mercenaries were hired. Now I don't see any problem with your original comment if it goes towards them. Mercenaries don't always follow the military code and they were who killed lots of people in war zones. Not to let our troops off as gjohnsit showed in his essay.

I'd love to see the draft come back, but only if members of congress, the joint chiefs and everyone else involved in sending people off to die have to send their family members first. Another thing I'd love to see is Smedley's book become required reading in high school. And a test given after to make sure everyone read it. Pipe dreams..

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The message echoes from Gaza back to the US. “Starving people is fine.”

snoopydawg's picture

Mercenaries are people who kill other people for money.

In America mercenaries are culture heroes. When heroic Special Forces tire of meddlesome bureaucratic restraints they become mercs and defend America for real. And get rich in process. What's not to like? Plus they get all the coolest and newest toys and props and wardrobe.

A nation where little boys want to grow up to be mercenaries and whole industries strive to push boys in that direction is a nation that no longer needs to exist. The rot is top to bottom. Every class, every tribe, every cohort, every club in America thinks mercs are just the best. Ragheads who kill mercs just gotta die.

The soul of America is sick..MLK.

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The message echoes from Gaza back to the US. “Starving people is fine.”

mimi's picture


just responded with a personal story, because that's all I had.

What I didn't like was the judgement of a whole group of people with one big brush. People have personal life stories, personal experiences and they all made individual decisions.
And unless you have lived a long time together in real life, one never knows about why an individual made certain decisions.

At least I think that making that kind of general judgement paints over all the individual lives. Which is something I would like to avoid.

Hugs, I admired often - reading your comments - about your consistant cheerfulness.

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I am often cheerful but I get angry about the military and what they are doing to our next generations. Children being born have always been exposed to endless war.

I actually agree with Snoopy’s response to me above. I’ve always thought there should be a draft with no exception. It makes it “fair.”

I enjoy your comments too, mimi. You make me chuckle. Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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@snoopydawg

men, women and people with permanent resident status and permanent work permissions in the country.

People who never want to have to shoot under the order of their superior commanders and refuse to use a weapon out of conscience or religious reasons should have the opportunity to serve the same amount of time as the military draftees, in a social function like care for the elderly etc. It was called "Zivildienst" in Germany (civilian service).

We used to have that in the former West Germany. I do not know when all this changed, I don't know why that was changed. I don't like the changes they made.

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All I can say, may you never need to emigrate from the US, not belonging to the tribes over in the country you immigrated into. May you not be poor and have to join that countries military to fight in their stupid wars. I guess you would change your mind a bit about those fools you are seeing, because then you would be one of them. I wouldn't wish that for you in a million years.
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janis b's picture

of forgiveness and understanding. Thank you.

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mimi's picture


...uh, oh,... it looks like 2019. What happened?

Drinks
Let's dance.
Music 2

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...a mathematical constant. Originally defined as the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter, it now has various equivalent definitions and appears in many formulas in all areas of mathematics and physics. It is approximately equal to 3.14159. It has been represented by the Greek letter "π" since the mid-18th century, though it is also sometimes spelled out as "pi". It is also called Archimedes' constant.

Being an irrational number, π cannot be expressed as a common fraction (equivalently, its decimal representation never ends and never settles into a permanently repeating pattern).

as in: never-ending USian wars (and wars by less 'kinetic'/s means) against those nations who dare to challenge US hegemony?

just spit-ballin' here, of course. on edit: haven't a clue as to '#2', unless it's "USA! USA! We're #2!"

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Alligator Ed's picture

The number pi is irrational, just like our government. It never settles into a pattern, just hovers around an ever-shrinking asymptote quantity. It becomes infinitely minuscule, the further from the decimal point but, like death and taxes, never goes away.

#2: simply because this is the second essay, if one might call it such, which I titled "Submitted without comment". Thus this became #2.

Just remember 22/7 and it's good enough for government work.

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it looks like Pi as in our geometry classes we were most often given a circle with only the radius, so that we could also compute the area of the circle.

and no, your figure doesn't look like a Q: please note the squiggle hanging below the oval, but please do clarify if you can what this exercise was all about. i assume that it's the reason you'd bailed on you AmeriKan Exceptionalism thread to which i'd added several comments (one with no link, mr. wd tells me).

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Lol

We're No. 2, all right.

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"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

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world, maybe even a #5 or #6.

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-Multilateralism is in grave danger due to US actions

That bridge collapsed long ago.l

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1st Sustainment Command

RIP

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mimi's picture


These Sustainment Commands started to operate as of 2006 according to Wikipedia. I believe that for these Army Field Support Brigades Rumsfeld wanted to remove the Airmen of Air Force Engineering Squadrons and transfer them into those new Army Field Sustainment Brigades. They have them in Kuweit and in Korea apparently as of 2006.

In March 2003 the US Airforce engineering/maintenance squadrons operated in Kuweit to help with the preparation of the ground invasion into Iraq and maintained the airbases facilities there for the Air Force flying into Iraq and do their bombardments. They had similar functions in Korea at Osan Air Force base, but no war activities there, just securing the DMZ from the North Koreans. It was in 2005 the military probably restructered those US Air Force engineering squadrons into those Sustainment Commands, which operate in Korea too.

But of course I don't know that, it's just my guess from what I read here and here and here .

I don't need to know more. Thanks for leading me in the right direction with your comment.

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          This sort of discussion is just a big flash back to when I was in high school. The original post was vague enough that those entering later tried to add layers upon the original layers without actually asking the real question in a value free context.

          The people standing in the formation are in military uniforms. Therefore they are following instructions (orders if you prefer). Under the code of military conduct orders must (if done properly) follow an established protocol ... et cetera ... et cetera.

          I succumbed to a giggle-fit when I got to the Q-observation (the extra row being a subliminal tail of a capital Q).

          Okay, I am not perfect, I make mistakes, but when it comes to grand conspiracies I try to deal with them using extreme prejudice.

          I am a bit curious what Alligator Ed was thinking when he submitted this without comment. I suspect this is a test of some sort. But, I don't really know anything about any of the participants here, so speculation is the order of the day.

RIP

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What am I trying to get at here?

Precisely the comments all have posted.

The resemblance to Q is not happenstance.

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The resemblance to Q is not happenstance.

          Provide the context that supports this statement.

RIP

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who we are, what we were thinking and what our emotional responses would be.

Nobody knows, who any of us writing and commenting here, really is. That, imo, is the tragedy the www. Q-anon or whatever this guy/group/bot was or is, we can't know. If we can't know, why getting into fights about it? The internet's supposed freedom of speech in anonymity and the lack of finding ways to identify anyone, who speaks up on the tubes here, is imho the downfall of the whole technology behind the internet and leads to terrible surveillance methods on the net.

It's baloney, basically, but we all love to eat that sort of sausage.

What is the synonym of baloney?
Something that does not have or make sense: balderdash, blather, bunkum, claptrap, drivel, garbage, idiocy, nonsense, piffle, poppycock, rigmarole, rubbish, tomfoolery, trash, twaddle. ( Informal) tommyrot. ( Slang) applesauce, bilge, bull1, bunk2, crap, hooey, malarkey

I prefer hungarian salami. At least it is more spicy and enhances the taste of everything.

I wished I could give you a German Christmas cooky and some Marzipan. And tricky Ed I would feed some real spicy fish dish from the Congo Basin. He wouldn't be able to speak and just gasp for air.

Keep the peace coming, please.

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          Actually, it wasn't supposed to be this way. I know because I was there at the beginning. We (those of my ilk) handed humanity a real gift (A. G. Bell would have been proud) and they (the money changers) proceeded to whore it into something quite different. I, with the help of my high tech friend, became an irritant at UNK for a time but of course I had only a small local effect.

          I get a bit testy at times, that is why I absented myself from here for 30 months. I tend to not be so good at writing fiction but I enjoy fiction so very much. But the important part of that is that I enjoy fiction for what it is, and I have little tolerance for those unable to appreciate fiction as fiction.

          I like your metaphorical images, as well as your thinly disguised ominous warnings. Much like our (local to USofA) political system: Perhaps after the collapse, the survivors will construct a more user friendly communication system with a real fair and just political system.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY]

RIP

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Alligator Ed's picture

then who am I to tell you? Believe what you will. That's what all people do anyway.

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that was funny too.

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