@mhagle
Your T-Shirt should also be printed on the back.
Nobody walking past you has time to read it but those behind you may.
Myself, I refuse to buy a T that makes a statement unless it is printed on the back.
As in your Ts case, putting "Does Your..." on the front will make them wonder why.
Also, in my case, refer to CS in AZ. Religion is an absolute turn off for me.
Personally, this message is a complete turnoff. I’m a huge supporter of the separation of church and state. I think religion should be out of politics, 100%.
I intensely dislike the idea of any politician being expected to follow Jesus or any other religious figure.
I’m genuinely not sure what the message on this shirt is supposed to be. I would never wear it, and it would never change my political views. All that being said, if you like it then wear it! Let your christian flag fly.
Dave Andrews has set himself a formidable task: to build understanding and trust between Muslims and Christians when anti-Islamist sentiment is running high. But if the job is getting him down, it doesn't show as he bowls into the Mado cafe in Auburn, a stone's throw from the Gallipoli Mosque, Sydney's biggest Islamic place of worship.
Andrews, who has been a community worker for more than 40 years, looks the part with his long white hair, unruly beard and Mahatma Gandhi-style glasses.
As we pick at a dipping plate of hummus, jajic, beetroot and yoghurt with Turkish bread, Andrews describes how a long involvement with marginalised people in Brisbane led to his work as an interfaith bridge builder. The terrorist attacks on New York and Washington in September 2001 were a key moment.
"The religious identity of the marginalised people we worked with was never an issue until 9/11," he says. "Then all of a sudden these refugees we had related to as Hazara or Afghans, or whatever, became Muslims and we became Christians. We were confronted with how to bridge this chasm in this new game of identity politics."
Dave Andrews has set himself a formidable task: to build understanding and trust between Muslims and Christians when anti-Islamist sentiment is running high. But if the job is getting him down, it doesn't show as he bowls into the Mado cafe in Auburn, a stone's throw from the Gallipoli Mosque, Sydney's biggest Islamic place of worship.
Andrews, who has been a community worker for more than 40 years, looks the part with his long white hair, unruly beard and Mahatma Gandhi-style glasses.
As we pick at a dipping plate of hummus, jajic, beetroot and yoghurt with Turkish bread, Andrews describes how a long involvement with marginalised people in Brisbane led to his work as an interfaith bridge builder. The terrorist attacks on New York and Washington in September 2001 were a key moment.
"The religious identity of the marginalised people we worked with was never an issue until 9/11," he says. "Then all of a sudden these refugees we had related to as Hazara or Afghans, or whatever, became Muslims and we became Christians. We were confronted with how to bridge this chasm in this new game of identity politics."
And as a good Episcopalian, I believe that confronting power is what Jesus did, so I guess I’m in favor of it.
One nit / word of caution: The Matthew 19 (three kinds of eunuchs) interpretation is very controversial. I ran it by a (liberal in a good way) buddy of mine who teaches classics at a local uni (and can read the original texts) and he was unimpressed. A better take on Jesus’ attitude towards LBGTQ folks might be in the Great Commission, where His reference to Sodom and Gomorrah is clearly about inhospitality, not sexual mores.
But yes, please help these people with their reading comprehension - I’m rather tired of being tarred with their brush.
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not to mention the cherry picking. Jesus is such a poor example of what I would want in a good politician. He said he came only for the house of Israel. So much for inclusion. He said he came to bring a sword to divide families. That one he accomplished. He turned away a woman asking for help because she was a different tribe. Only when his disciples asked him to give her a chance did he listen to her, and then he granted her wish, but only after she allowed him to refer to her as a dog. He insisted that the disciples drop their jobs and families to follow him and told one who wanted to go to a family funeral before he hit the road that it was now or never... "let the dead bury their dead".
How about a t-shirt that asks if your candidate is a humanist? Much safer in the morality department than that old mythological guy.
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@Fishtroller 02@Fishtroller 02
You too may be playing fast and loose with the scriptures. I have never heard any of it and years ago I sat through many a sermon where the "gospel" (first four books of the NT) was read commonly. Or it just may be your disdain for Christianity.
By the way, I am an atheist, but it just seems to me that people have some strange ideas about what is taught in churches they never set foot in.
And to the original poster, no, I would not suggest this T shirt at all unless you want to offend far more people than you hope to persuade.
not to mention the cherry picking. Jesus is such a poor example of what I would want in a good politician. He said he came only for the house of Israel. So much for inclusion. He said he came to bring a sword to divide families. That one he accomplished. He turned away a woman asking for help because she was a different tribe. Only when his disciples asked him to give her a chance did he listen to her, and then he granted her wish, but only after she allowed him to refer to her as a dog. He insisted that the disciples drop their jobs and families to follow him and told one who wanted to go to a family funeral before he hit the road that it was now or never... "let the dead bury their dead".
How about a t-shirt that asks if your candidate is a humanist? Much safer in the morality department than that old mythological guy.
I don't know that I will do it. If it just pisses people off, the goal is not achieved. And others may not interpret Matthew 19 as I do. I am definitely for the separation of church and state. Here in Texas, it is grievous to see the multitudes of well-meaning people, thinking that they are following Jesus, but rather being pawns to the rich and greedy - preachers and oligarchs.
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A simple addition.
Below your slogan add:
"None of the above."
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Good idea
make it like a multiple choice question?
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Multiple choice might work.
Your T-Shirt should also be printed on the back.
Nobody walking past you has time to read it but those behind you may.
Myself, I refuse to buy a T that makes a statement unless it is printed on the back.
As in your Ts case, putting "Does Your..." on the front will make them wonder why.
Also, in my case, refer to CS in AZ. Religion is an absolute turn off for me.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Hi mhagle
As the saying goes, to each their own.
Personally, this message is a complete turnoff. I’m a huge supporter of the separation of church and state. I think religion should be out of politics, 100%.
I intensely dislike the idea of any politician being expected to follow Jesus or any other religious figure.
I’m genuinely not sure what the message on this shirt is supposed to be. I would never wear it, and it would never change my political views. All that being said, if you like it then wear it! Let your christian flag fly.
Discretion is the better part of valor
I'm agnostic, so don't really know, but I'd feel very uncomfortable wearing this in the depths of Minnesota, let alone a very conservative state.
Perhaps more of a parable, teaching moment script.... less of an accusation.
Gëzuar!!
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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Our politicians following Jesus? - Of course they do ...
... because Jesus that is me. I feel harrassed and haunted.
Is that snark now, or is that complete and utter bullshit, or is this higher wisdom?
May be mommy Maria has to decide that.
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I’m becoming more confrontational with age
And as a good Episcopalian, I believe that confronting power is what Jesus did, so I guess I’m in favor of it.
One nit / word of caution: The Matthew 19 (three kinds of eunuchs) interpretation is very controversial. I ran it by a (liberal in a good way) buddy of mine who teaches classics at a local uni (and can read the original texts) and he was unimpressed. A better take on Jesus’ attitude towards LBGTQ folks might be in the Great Commission, where His reference to Sodom and Gomorrah is clearly about inhospitality, not sexual mores.
But yes, please help these people with their reading comprehension - I’m rather tired of being tarred with their brush.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Playing fast and loose with the scriptures there...
not to mention the cherry picking. Jesus is such a poor example of what I would want in a good politician. He said he came only for the house of Israel. So much for inclusion. He said he came to bring a sword to divide families. That one he accomplished. He turned away a woman asking for help because she was a different tribe. Only when his disciples asked him to give her a chance did he listen to her, and then he granted her wish, but only after she allowed him to refer to her as a dog. He insisted that the disciples drop their jobs and families to follow him and told one who wanted to go to a family funeral before he hit the road that it was now or never... "let the dead bury their dead".
How about a t-shirt that asks if your candidate is a humanist? Much safer in the morality department than that old mythological guy.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
@Fishtroller 02 You too may be playing
By the way, I am an atheist, but it just seems to me that people have some strange ideas about what is taught in churches they never set foot in.
And to the original poster, no, I would not suggest this T shirt at all unless you want to offend far more people than you hope to persuade.
Thanks for all of your comments . . .
I don't know that I will do it. If it just pisses people off, the goal is not achieved. And others may not interpret Matthew 19 as I do. I am definitely for the separation of church and state. Here in Texas, it is grievous to see the multitudes of well-meaning people, thinking that they are following Jesus, but rather being pawns to the rich and greedy - preachers and oligarchs.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo