Let's Give Immigrants (of any type - legal, illegal)

from Mexico and further south what they really want. This happened in my state of Colorado.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-protestors-rip-down-american-flag-at...

I propose that we return to Mexico all the southwestern and western states that they want. No, I'm not pulling a Jonathan Smith Swift- A Modest Proposal. I am serious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_(Mexico)

Then maybe everyone would be happy and we could quit arguing about immigrants, illegal immigrants, or whatever immigrants.

I'm curious. If we did this, would you stay in your state or move to the new reconfigured US? I would move; anybody whose seen my posts here know that I love and revere the Constitution, and I wouldn't want to live under Mexico's laws.

IMO, I believe this is where some chunk of the US will eventually end up anyway.

Gotta go grocery shopping before the crowds get going.

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Not Henry Kissinger's picture

Reconquista II: Immigrant Boogaloo isn't actually a real movement and never will be.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

@Not Henry Kissinger was ridiculous.

Myself, I think we are headed for civil war. Probably not in my lifetime (I'll live maybe 10 or 20 more years).

Where do you think this is all headed? Do you have an honest opinion on it?

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@dfarrah the next 10 yrs -- next 5 is more likely. Probably around the time Donald decides to hang around for a 3d term, because he's just too busy Making America Great Again and the People love him! Or maybe around 2020 when the Don decides to stay in office after being beaten again in the popular but this time also in the EC. That might be the trigger.

As for lifespan or lifetime, not to worry. We all come back again (nearly all of you anyway), many times, until we evolve sufficiently and go on to the next level. That's what my spiritual betters tell me anyway, and that works for me. And we might be coming back sooner than normal, what with all the human procreation proceeding apace and the immediate need for them to be energized with the human spirit.

And will Donnie Jr be in office as preznut when we come back? Or only presiding over a one-fifth, wing nut portion of the former United States?

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@wokkamile or do we get a break from this place?

And if the earth is going through another mass extinction, I guess we'll have to wait (assuming our new whatever sprouts back on the earth and not elsewhere).

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@dfarrah they tells me you aren't conscious in the between-life state, so it's of no consequence to you whether you return in 10 years or a hundred. But my understanding is that lots of terrestrial physical bodies need lots of spiritual enlivening, and bec of overpopulation, at a much faster pace than is normal for this planet (allegedly 150 yrs normally between lives if we had a sustainable population for Earth).

As for the sixth extinction, an upcoming third world war is likely to get to most of us well before that. Have you noticed how often we blame Russia for everything?

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@wokkamile @wokkamile Yogananda, it takes at least a thousand years to become spiritually pure.

Or maybe it was longer. I can't recall.

But who really knows time?

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@dfarrah only a thousand years of lifetimes, he was vastly underestimating the situation. Really, only 12-15 lifetimes? I wish it were so, but looking around me, I suspect it's closer not to a thousand years but a million lifetimes.

No offense of course to the late Yoga, who I'm sure was a wonderful, spiritual person (he was slightly ahead of my time).

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@dfarrah
They're not trying to conquer Colorado for the Mexican government.

(I can't believe I even have to explain that.)

Where do you think this is all headed? Do you have an honest opinion on it?

We're headed for another election where FOX News is going to come up with crazier and crazier ways to scare the bejezus out of Trump's base about evil brown people invasions.

Honestly, I feel the same way about immigrant bashing Fox watchers as I do about Russia bashing MSNBC watchers: your proud acceptance and promotion of patently ridiculous ideas is a lot more scary than anything you claim to be afraid of.

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@Not Henry Kissinger

They're not trying to conquer Colorado for the Mexican government.

(I can't believe I even have to explain that.)

The irony, imo, is that Colorado isn't even in the South, but 'let's give the South to Mexico'. This happened in Colorado, not the South. And, Central America is not Mexico. Central American refugees are not Mexicans. Some people here don't understand that or the fact that the imaginary Mason Dixon line is not a magical line where everything/everyone south of it is shit, and everything/everyone north of it is angelic purity. Wtf?

Koolaid, man. Some here must have a subscription delivery service for the shit.

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@Deja giving 'the south' to Mexico.

Colorado used to be a part of Mexico. And that is no secret here in Colorado.

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@dfarrah
Your buddy, the site mod from Michigan, said the South and Texas. You said the Southwest and West. Either way, how about you go live in another country? Win, win!

You also said in a comment that Mexicans are descendents of Africa. Gonna need a citation on that.

It's obvious, your pride was hurt by the protest.

These refugees are created due to our ("our" as in the real US, including the icky parts you don't like), government's policies which cause direct output.

Input --> Output.
We made this.
We need to fix it.

I wonder, do you hate them, because they're pieces of you?
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[video:https://youtu.be/AsRlgxJ7qO4]

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@Deja Are you really that ignorant?

Texas used to be part of Mexico, as did Colorado.

And you can poke around anywhere and find the heritage of people in different countries (and even histories of countries, believe it or not).

It appears that no one posting here (maybe one or two) is aware of the resentment that Hispanics have over this issue.

Really, how can people be so unaware? Is there nothing but white people on this site?

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@dfarrah

your essay or the Mexican flag they flew over the detention center. If the flag is what your essay was about, I totally missed it. Deju just likes to leap to assumptions in a single bound. Her erroneous barbs are faster than a speeding bullet. S/he is such a sweetheart.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

@dkmich about the flag in and of itself.

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@dfarrah

Mexico qua Mexico wasn't even a thing until they got their independence from the Spanish - which was long after the Spanish had acquired Colorado from the French and then handed it back to them as part of the Louisiana Territory which Jefferson then purchased from France.

Nobody did much with Colorado or areas north of it until after Lewis & Clark mapped out the territory (1804-1806). There were names on maps, but no boots on the ground - mostly just moccasins.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

@TheOtherMaven
attempt to take a blase and childish view of the situation.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

@UntimelyRippd You might want to try thinking instead of name calling.

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@UntimelyRippd

more troublesome facts interfering with any attempt to take a blase and childish view of the situation.

TheOtherMaven is really, really good at that! Biggrin

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

@TheOtherMaven not, I did actually know that history.

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@Not Henry Kissinger you are simply dismissing the people who feel a lot of anger over the US having taken over the previous land of Mexico.

This really has nothing to do with fox news; it's just a matter of listening to people and hearing what they are saying.

AO big mouth has said that white people took the US from (I don't recall who exactly). I don't recall the exact quote. One of my council persons said (a few years ago) she resents the fact that there are not more people who "look like her" on council on a mixed race council. One of the Hispanic Congressmen last night was challenging the former head of ICE, asserting something to the effect that the former ICE head had no knowledge of anyone who didn't "look like him."

First of all, people need to say what they mean. These representatives should have just said 'white people' and be done with it, because that is exactly what they meant.

Bottom line? It is racism whether people want to admit it or not. While progressives enjoy believing that it's all white racism against others, it isn't.

Mexico has a history of racism (and the concomitant layers of people that were considered better than others) just like any other people/country have/has had, and to pretend otherwise is ignorant.

And to pretend that non-whites and white progressives aren't stoking anti-white racism is ignorant. One can see clip after clip of people (of all races) dissing Biden and Bernie for being white (and old and male).

And shoving it under the rug won't help, either.

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@dfarrah

you are simply dismissing the people who feel a lot of anger over the US having taken over the previous land of Mexico.

because I'm sure all of Santa Anna's great great great great great great great grandchildren are still really really upset.

So wait, if the Mexicans are the new Spanish Reconquistadors, does that make the US government the Moors, who, as I'm sure you know, were Muslim?

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@Not Henry Kissinger and keep them closed.

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@Not Henry Kissinger was the Moops and not the Moors.

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@Not Henry Kissinger
Re: Santa Anna

I had the best History instructor ever (once), and his rendition of Sam Houston vs Santa Anna at San Jacinto was phenomenal. Not the battle itself, but leading up to it. The morale. The positioning and timing, not to mention the breaking of traditional war rules, which sounds so stupid, but it was a thing. Like a movie. The guy did that the whole semester and his assigned books were badass too.

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https://www.foxnews.com/us/armed-man-reportedly-shot-after-throwing-ince...

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@dfarrah

It happened in Washington state and even the police chief said that the people were peaceful at the protest in Colorado and he thanked them for it so I don't know why you tried to connect it to the Colorado one. The other guy wasn't even at a protest. He attacked the building and tried to do something to propane tanks.

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@snoopydawg that happened at the Colorado protest?

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@dfarrah

Did you say peaceful?

The protest in Colorado was peaceful and yet you threw in something totally unrelated to make some type of point.

But some people did something, right?

Have I ever given you the impression that I support violence or violent acts of any type? In case it isn't clear I do not. And you are personally attacking people here which it the definition of being a dick which it the one rule here that we always enforce.

I have not idea what you essay is about as I said earlier. You post about people removing the American flag and then said that lots of people want to give Mexico back it's original lands. Then in other comments you add lots of additional stuff.

So please clarify what your original point was when you posted this and maybe I can follow along.

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@snoopydawg of this "essay" was apparently to sling shit around and gin up the outrage. And it worked. Not to mention the excuse to insult and demean and brag endlessly about how those of us who don't think this solves one fucking thing are merely either stupid or overly sensitive. And by even replying to you dear snoop I break my own rule to stay out of stupid shit like this. So hey, I guess all those snarky backhand insults are well deserved after all, right?

While we argue endlessly about this idiocy we play right in to the goals of our owners. Divide and conquer. Yay! USA USA USA!!!!

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

@snoopydawg it very comforting to know that the guy tried and failed to blow up some propane tanks.

But some people did something, right?

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dfarrah

Let's build a wall, curtain off the south and throw Texas in for good measure. We can offer it all to Mexico, but I doubt they will take it. This country is too big or too small for all of us.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

@dkmich appear to want this territory back. My former co-worker was belly aching over the whites having taken the area from Mexico. It stretches up to Colorado, over to the west, and covers parts of Oregon. So, it wouldn't be just Texas.

Why wouldn't any country want this part of the US? It's got some good oil land and good agriculture and coastal areas.

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@dfarrah should be good enough. Plenty of land, agriculture, oil, beaches. Also lots of swampland in the SE corner to put their people to work draining those wet, unproductive areas. Opportunities also for hunting down all the Bigfoot that hang out there, dangerous for the local humans.

TX is plenty enough to offer. Have you ever been there or driven it? The approx halfway point of a drive from L.A. to Houston is in El Paso ferchrissakes. And getting to Houston, if you ever do, still leaves you many miles away from the eastern border.

To make up for that loss, if it can be called such, and avoid an odd number of states (no one likes odd numbers -- makes folks feel uneasy, a lacking-something feeling ..), I propose we combine the two Dakotas into one. They are both about the same deal anyway, and SD has been rather lousy indeed since the forced departure of home grown George McGovern, ca 1980. Most people probably won't even notice we've dropped one Dakota, or won't care.

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@wokkamile And I lived in Houston from '77 to '89. So, yes, I know Texas.

I don't think Texas will be enough; they want it all back to the old borders.

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@dfarrah enough to be its own country. Matter of fact, I think it once was, long ago.

Tell 'em they can also have, as part of the deal, both Bush Presidential Libraries, no additional charge.

As a final inducement, tell 'em we will also throw in the LBJ Library and Ranch. No one I know has ever been there or cares to.

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@wokkamile I can't believe people don't want to go to the ranch.

Are you dissing LBJ? Oh, the me-too movement needs to get around to burning his library to the ground.

Yeah, Texas won its independence from Mexico.

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@dfarrah polite way of putting it.

And yeah, he was in some ways a proto Donald Trump -- not exactly book-larned, and a bit of a bully and crude P-grabber. And a very frequent grabber, apparently. Even in front of his wife, longsuffering Lady Bird. Political power has its perks.

But I didn't have any of that in mind with my Free Presidential Libarries comment above.

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@wokkamile "In domestic policy, Johnson designed the "Great Society" legislation to expand civil rights, public broadcasting, Medicare, Medicaid, aid to education, the arts, urban and rural development, public services and his "War on Poverty". Assisted in part by a growing economy, the War on Poverty helped millions of Americans rise above the poverty line during his administration.[2] Civil rights bills that he signed into law banned racial discrimination in public facilities, interstate commerce, the workplace and housing; the Voting Rights Act prohibited certain requirements in southern states used to disenfranchise African Americans. With the passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, the country's immigration system was reformed, encouraging greater emigration from regions other than Europe. Johnson's presidency marked the peak of modern liberalism after the New Deal era."

Damn those white guys.

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@dfarrah for an extended back-and-forth here. And much too hot a day.

And no, I don't do American Heritage-approved, whitewashed wiki-type history.

So I stand firmly behind my offer: the two Bush libraries and I'll throw in Lyin' Lyndon's. And in Mexican hands, we actually stand a better chance of getting an honest history of these dismal presidents than what our establishment-friendly historians have so far brought forth.

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@wokkamile what I don't own.

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@wokkamile Texas is getting a little bit of blue mixed in with red now don't you?

And the first Bush did support civil rights.

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@dfarrah Poppy started out in politics as a bit of a moderate R. But went over to the dark side after pairing up with Ronnie and then Atwater. What a weasely U-class sellout. They can have him in my Two in the Bush is Worth One in the Lyndon deal.

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@wokkamile GHW Bush was CIA and undoubtedly took part in the our first post-WW2 coup d'etat. Pictures show Poppa Bush lounging outside a building near Dealey Square the day when JFK got ventilated by a magic bullet or six.

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@Alligator Ed
also show Q banging Jabba the Hutt out back the minstrel show.

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@hecate Jabba the Hutt exists only in celluloid world and minds afflicted by Star Wars Disease. Unfortunately GHW Bush existed for a span on earth in the flesh and blood (if he had any). Your penchant to equate fiction from reality serves you well in the Clintonesque dystopia. When you arrive at real life amongst real people (not including the bloated JTH) perhaps the haze will clear from you widely shut eyes.

For you, I present an appropriate metaphor for what appears to be your reality.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I]

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@Alligator Ed
is also the only American over the age of 6 in November 1963 who claimed he couldn't remember where he was when Kennedy was shot.

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@wokkamile But he did support civil rights.

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@dfarrah By the time he ran for prez the second time he had apparently developed some peculiar notions about civil rights.

I'm thinking Willie Horton. And Uncle Clarence Thomas.

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@wokkamile way back.

Well, at least Lee Atwater was sorry for what he did (so the story goes)

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@dfarrah

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@wokkamile Dakotas belly aching to become one state?

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@dfarrah at least the regular all-year-rounders, tend to be a quiet bunch overall (typified by the mild-mannered former Dem Majority Leader Tom Daschle). In the summers they are busy resting up for the harsh winters, which must be fiercely defended against. Because of this, I am taking point on this issue for them as they rest on their couches for the bad times to come.

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@wokkamile need to move north because I am so sick of the heat in Colorado. I want to live in cold.

One of the Dakotas has that state bank that is very economically helpful for the state.

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@dfarrah from here on out to escape the heat, wherever you go. Just this summer it hit the low 90s in Alaska. Alaska.

I would normally at this point advise to study up in the sciences and get a job in Antarctica, but as we know even that is melting. And you would be running into a lot of stressed out penguins.

Don't they have high-elevation places in CO to live -- 8-9,000 feet up? Recommend that, make sure your a/c is tuned up, and all your vital papers in order.

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@dfarrah

the bottom peninsula and become its own state. From the SE corner of the state to the tippy top of the NW corner of the UP is roughly 700 miles. The top and bottom are like night and day. Even 700 miles is too small for the both of us.

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@dkmich

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

@UntimelyRippd

Pretty country but all trees and snow up the behind. SE Michigan actually hit the 80s. OMG, we're dying. Northern lower is having highs of 69 degrees in the middle of July. We have the stupid furnace on when we go up there. The weather is nuts. No place left to run. No place to hide.

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@dfarrah

It was a real map of how the tribes apportioned the land that is now the US. I looked, but I couldn't find anything I would trust to be real. I would trust what MB posted here, but it would take a lot of digging to find it. There are a ton of phonies on the internet.

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@dkmich

https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/780882/indian_tribes....

Once I found him in our member directory, it was easy. He was here a short while and didn't comment much.

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@dkmich conquered the Indian land....and then Spain, France, etc., six flags over Texas and all.

The current demographics favor the people from Mexico and south of Mexico.

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@dfarrah

wanting to give states back to Mexico? You quote your co worker, but is there a movement to do that?

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@snoopydawg

Where are you getting your information about people wanting to give states back to Mexico?

From the exact same place (s)he got the idea that someone was paying the Ibero-American immigrants to come here.

Bad

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

@thanatokephaloides has to be funding these people for at least a major part of their journey and after they get out detention centers or escape border patrol.

I keep hearing how poor and desperate these people are. Please explain where they got the provisions/means for the long journey to the US. All those nice backpacks, provisions, and shoes made for walking cost money.

So which is it? You can't have it both ways. They just happened to have the $$ to buy the provisions and maybe weren't so poor and desperate after all, or were they so poor and destitute that someone helped them along?

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@dfarrah

to come here and in a previous essay thanatokephaloides asked you to provide a link to how you know that. So can you do that or not? Or is it just your opinion that people are being funded?

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@dfarrah

Somebody has to be funding these people for at least a major part of their journey and after they get out detention centers or escape border patrol.

Direct evidence, please. Name these supposed funders. Explain to us (again, with direct evidence) their motives in funding such a dangerous, often deadly, and nearly always futile undertaking such as the attempt to smuggle themselves into the United States of America is.

NO circumstantial bullshit, please. The possessions, etc., of those making the journey do not count as evidence of any kind, whether you like it or not. Among other far more reasonable explanations, which can more easily account for some of the immigrants having a tiny bit more than one pair of pants and a T-shirt, is that they had jobs which supported them in their home countries until USA regime change meddling in Ibero-America ruined those nations' economies and with it, the jobs which once supported them at home. Thus, I can indeed "have it both ways"; it is both possible and reasonable that families who have a few minor possessions (extra changes of clothes, a tent, etc.) are, nonetheless, driven to our southern border by economic desperation. Economic desperation of the sole and exclusive making of the USA's 1%, I might add.

Therefore, direct evidence of your claim of external funding really is required. Please either provide it now, by answering my questions as I have asked them, or admit publically that you pulled that whole thing out of "You Know Where". One or the other, please, now.

Thank you.

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@dkmich

Let's build a wall and curtain off the south and throw Texas in for good measure.

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@Deja @Deja

I do think the country should be split up. Too big. Impossible to govern.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

@dkmich @dkmich who destroyed my Texas judicial district.
Michiganders came to my neighboring county with travel trailers. They got a mailing address. They stay here 2 or 3 days a year at a park in Polk County. Escapees. And they do not pay state income taxes in Michigan because they are "Texans", we do not have state income taxes here. They do not know anybody here, do not give a damn about anything here, and they are all Republicans, and dominate local politics. There are thousands of Escapees. They voted in a district judge who had been the 4th Assistant down the line prosecutor in that county, who was assigned to prosecute traffic tickets.
Michigan has done their part to fuck up Texas.
The judge on the case to determine their voting legitimacy was Judge Sam Bournias.
Slam Texas for death penalty, for our Big Oil, but when you slam us for being Red, you bear some blame. We swung Red in a huge district because of state income tax avoiders from Michigan.

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@on the cusp

Michigan has done their part to fuck up Texas.
The judge on the case to determine their voting legitimacy was Judge Sam Bournias.
Slam Texas for death penalty, for our Big Oil, but when you slam us for being Red, you bear some blame. We swung Red in a huge district because of state income tax avoiders from Michigan.

It's the same here in Colorado.

Rich, conservative Californicators come here, drive shelter prices through the roof by buying real estate, and drag our Overton Window rightward. Meanwhile, in Summit County, the County Government has to cut ranchers slack on property taxes in order to keep them ranching while tax dollars are spent maintaining a "workerstan" so the ski resorts in Vail don't have to pay the lowest two-thirds of their workers enough to live in the same city that they work in.

Yuk.

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

@thanatokephaloides Colorado was a red state before turning blue, don't you.

The turn to blue was fairly recent.

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@dfarrah

You do know that Colorado was a red state before turning blue, don't you.

The turn to blue was fairly recent.

I was here when Republican John Love was governor; so yes, I did know that.

Since today's Dems are GOPpers for all practical intents and purposes (there's little or no daylight between the policies of John Hickenlooper and his predecessor John Love), the Overton Window hasn't moved much, and those of us who need ubiquitous strong unions and a stable, strong market for non-college labor are just as fucked under the latter as the former.

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@on the cusp

I think they do the same thing to Florida and AZ, but I think they actually winter there. Didn't know about Texas, but hey no taxes, it's the irresistible mating call of the MAGAs.

My understanding is that Michiganders have to declare a primary residence, which means you have to live there a minimum of six months out of the year. It is where they then pay taxes and vote. The people who do this are probably tax voiding, don't tread on me Republicans. It is amazing how many of them we actually have.

When Bubba destroyed manufacturing, he destroyed the deep dark blue this state used to be. Having said that, blue is as bad as red nowadays. I am proposing that we split up people by political and religious preference and put them in their own regions of the US and declare them their own country.

I think we need three countries: 1) neocon/evangelical = the south + Texas, 2) mealy-mouth trickle-down neolibs/neocons = SF/NY, 3) everybody else every thing is left. I could probably be talked into dividing 3 up into 4 or 5. Since most of the red hats and Christian jihadists already live in the south and Texas, I figure we might as well start there. Or, I would settle for my own deserted island around Tahiti.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

@on the cusp are questioning me bringing up resentment over old borders and yet here we are with resentment and conflict over our areas.

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@on the cusp red my entire life.

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@dfarrah Rick Perry held office as a Democrat. My county elected the first Republican to a county office since Reconstruction in 2000. The Republican Party in the county consisted of one family of 4, until the mid-90's.
The Michiganders do not know who they are voting for, or exactly what the elected position actually entails. They have no interaction with the community, and vote absentee.
Since everybody running is an R, there are primaries. It would be helpful if the one polling place that determines everything from animal control to State Representative could determine which R was the better candidate at primary.
I resent the outsized influence a bunch of tax cheats do to a community that just happened to have a cheap RV park. They are also hurting Michigan.
It isn't a turf war. It is a tax evasion scheme that has been legally sanctioned. I am glad the right wing nut jobs do not stick around more than a few days before they drive away. We have enough of those living here full time.

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@on the cusp

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very interesting. Except that more migrants are coming from Central America, than from Mexico; and more migrants are Asian, than Hispanic. In further confusions, your Reconquista link concerns the Iberian Peninsula. Are you also giving that to Mexico?

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@hecate
"Jonathan Smith" did not write A Modest Proposal. That was Jonathan Swift. With "Jonathan Smith," I think you are conflating the actor Jonathan Harris, with the character he portrayed, Dr. Zachary Smith, the famous NAMBLA man lost in space. His modest proposal was that he, young Will Robinson, and the robot, should get jiggy in a threeway.

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@hecate

There you go again with the irrepressible lols

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

@hecate

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

@hecate

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They say that life's a game and then they take the board away
They give you masks and costumes and an outline of the story
And leave you all to improvise their vicious cabaret-- A. Moore

@hecate the fact that the Central Americans are not technically Mexicans, and even then, a lot of Mexicans descended from Africa and the east (just like Central and south Americans did) and don't really have a claim on the US.

So, the claims are rather mixed; I figure once the split occurs, they can figure it out amongst themselves.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Wells

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A hostage to the Pavlovian measures the media employs on behalf of their paymasters, I decided to give away my television, stay away from social media trigger porn, and spend more time in my neighborhood in a spirit of goodwill, adding value to my life, and nurturing my soul.

Surprisingly, I am a happier person.

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@Anja Geitz @Anja Geitz
had more stuff than you knew what to do with, and yet wanted more stuff still.

i know this, because i watched a lot of TV when i was younger, and the message was clear.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

More stuff = happiness

But I was referring to the mind altering state that comes from outrage du jour porn running 24/7 on the teevee masquerading as information where you become a person who is incapable of a logical and reasoned argument.

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@Anja Geitz
it's 92 fuckin degrees out there, and i can't function in that kind of heat.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

will have to water the garden at the butt crack of dawn and then bathe my tomato plants and azaleas when the sun goes down.

Btw, I finished Outlander this morning. The Native American storyline was pretty dark, but didn't feel as thrown together and weird for no earthly narrative reason as the Caribbean voodoo did in season three. I think at this point I just want Claire and Jamie to live happily every after in their rustically lovely cabin they built together in Blue Ridge mountains, but I feel like they are going to have to pick up a musket again to fight in the Revolutionary War. Sigh.

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@Anja Geitz

We watched the Reverent last night. Never heard so much grunting and panting in a movie in my life.

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