The proxy war with Iran has probably already begun
While the attacks on the oil tankers is almost certainly total bullsh*t, there have been attacks within Iraq that the American media has curiously ignored. These attacks are most likely real.
A couple days ago it was at a coalition military base.
An Iraqi military base where U.S. and allied coalition troops are stationed has been targeted by a rocket attack just as the Pentagon released new photos purporting to show Iran was behind recent attacks on oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman.The Iraqi military's official Security Media Cell reported Monday that "a short time ago, three Katyusha rockets fell on Camp Taji," a military installation also known as Camp Cooke, located about 17 miles north of Baghdad. The apparent attack came just two days after unknown assailants fired rockets at Balad air base, another Iraqi installation where U.S. military personnel were present.
Then yesterday it was a U.S. oil company site.
(Reuters) - A rocket hit a site in southern Iraq used by foreign oil companies on Wednesday, including U.S. energy giant ExxonMobil, wounding three people and threatening to further escalate U.S.-Iran tensions in the region.
Unlike the tanker attacks, I don't believe that these are false flag attacks because:
a) this is how the shia militias in Iraq attacked our troops during the occupation
b) those same shia militias have been threatening to do exactly this for years
c) the American media has mostly not reported it
It's obvious why the MSM has downplayed it. It's because it drives home the point that war with Iran won't be just dropping bombs from a safe distance.
It means 6,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, and 2,000 troops in Syria will be on the front lines. And that won't sell.

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Mostly OT: China still buying Iranian oil
China stopped buying American oil
This is what most generals and trump don't understand.
An attack on Iran is an attack against many nations and a multitude of armed entities. It's an attack against myself and others here in this country. The middle east will burn if our country is ignorant enough to start a war.
I fully expect trump and his cadre of advisors to think that a limited attack would be no big deal. They're not thinkers of great things but only what may make them look good.
The body bags will not be televised.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
I've only seen this in one place
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-18/declassified-sino-russian-mast...
Orwell: Where's the omelette?
zhedge
Is as notorious for false stories as it is for truth. Meaning 50/50.
An example taken from the same post:
So far, there is no proof that the explosions were "at or below the waterline". All current evidence that they show at this point suggest above the waterline intrusions.
There is also no proof that the Iranian ship removed a mine, which if true, was well above the waterline according to crappy verification done by grainy photos taken by a technological superior nation.
I call bupkis on the whole article.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
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Orwell: Where's the omelette?
I'm sure it proves my point
Shipping experts (unknown) and the u.s.
Just who do you believe?
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
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Orwell: Where's the omelette?
Russia Insider has the same article
that zero Hedges posted. I found the article confusing just because it was saying some of the same things that Pompeo has said about the incident in the gulf. It also talks about how Isis and their friends are involved in some of the attacks. Yippee..Obama's BFFs are still playing with the toys we gave them.
Russia Insider
Oh oh...looks like lots of countries are trying to find a way to work around the almighty dollar. This has been coming for a long time because the world can only tolerate a bully for so long and with Trump putting sanctions on every Tom, Dick and Harry the last 3 years I'm betting people are working overtime to make it so.
Trump is threatening Turkey because they are buying Russia's missile defense system. Trump is saying that he is going to squeeze Turkey so bad its economy will hurt. Trump wants to sanction Germany and anyone else who buys Russia's gas once they get the pipeline built. Venezuela. Syria. India. Iran. Who did I miss who he is sanctioning?
Oh yeah. We are being sanctioned too because all the money is going to the military instead of going to things that we need. This article talks about how the Venezuelan coup is hurting the American people.
Gee if only this country could have made deals with others instead of bombing the hell out of them maybe things would be different?
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Very true.
It shows that ri is not to be taken at face, (or shall I say) fact value.
The original writeup is on oilprice.com.
The question is......Can they be trusted?
Nope.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Iran needs to become a more sane country
according to Pompeo...
Yep. Those Iranians are up to no good.
Aren't these the two ships that we said Iran attacked?
It seems so...so how accurate is this article? Hmm, but either way I think things would calm down if we got our butts out of the region and minded our business.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Hey snoop
please give the link from which you pulled these quotes.
Tanks.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
It's from Jim p links
It's a long article and I just skimmed it when I posted, but I'm reading it again now.
Same article but from Russia Insider.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Thanks
I just wanted you to post the link.
Thanks again.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
If you're saying these attacks represent a proxy war with Iran,
it would seem the attacks in Iraq, seemingly meant to blame Iran, are basically false flag attacks.
The U.S. is definitely waging an economic and subversive war against Iran and has been basically since 79. No doubt they're using proxies inside Iran to destabilize, but that's a bit different from the proxy wars in Syria and Libya where the US used a "civil war" false narrative to avoid direct culpability. I'm not sure how these attacks in Iraq equate to a proxy war with Iran as opposed to attacks in Iraq meant to blame Iran.
Small difference.
Since 1953.
And it was all about oil baby.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Ya, true dat.
See ya know, that's why they have to be stopped.
Yes
True Dat
No doubt you are correct. I'm just saying Iran is starting to fight back.
Because many of those shia miitias are directly on the payroll of Iran.
They were formed and sometimes led by Iranians.
Well, then you're saying Iran is backing these
Or am I misinterpreting?
No, it's different
Iran never organized the Houthis. The Houthis have never been on the payroll of Iran. Hell, they don't even have the same branch of Shia.
The Shia militias, such as the Badr Brigade, were organize by Iran to fight the Sunni government of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war and had Iranian officers.
No, it isn't just propaganda.
Or many of the militias are actually on ours?
Isis and its buddies are still wreaking havoc in Syria and in Afghanistan after the CIA transferred a bunch of them there. Hey it helped us get rid of the USSR so why not do it again?
Boy I bet that money could have helped our homeless people get some help. But sadly no. I'm still seeing the scene from V for Vendetta where there is a new civil war in this country because our military over extended itself.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
lol
There aint no blue pill for the MIC.
They just can't get it up anymore unless there is a largess from the taxpayer.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Gee what could possibly go wrong?
The military is considering using nukes!
Don't these dumb assholes think that the minute they fire off a nuke that Russia or some other country will detect it and fire theirs back at us? Every person involved with this should be fired from office and put on trial for crimes against humanity and for stupidity!
Strategic stability? Jesus!
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Interestingly,
former UK ambassador to Syria Peter Ford, who never bought the "Assad gassed his own people" or White Helmets propaganda, thinks Iran likely did the tanker attacks. Moon of Alabama entertains the possibility too.
Are you sure it is not the Iraqis?
Strategically it does not make sense for Iran to poke a stick in the hornets nest at this time. Iraq has been making noise of US withdrawal for awhile now.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/27/iraq-trump-visit-us-troops...
They could possibly be using this opportunity?
I wish we would just bring our troops and military forces home and leave the ME to its own rule. Dreamin' I know.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Moon of Alabama
develops his counterintuitive theory:
"Iran's enemies as well as Iran itself now have an interest that more attacks on tankers happen. But unless there is very convincing independent evidence we will never know who will have committed these. There are simply too many players who have motives and the capabilities to make such attacks happen. All of them have plausible reasons to damage more ships. All of them have plausible deniability."
I'm beginning to suspect that Iran wants to take this up a step
Similar to what Moon of Alabama has written. Iran has the upper hand in the region. If they have usable air defenses then they will prevail and will inflict considerable damage to the US and oil exporting allies and therefore the Western economies. Trump meanwhile has this god view that the US is omnipotent. Hmm, this is a setup. If Iran prevails then they become the most powerful force in the ME and SA will have to defer.
Iran just shot down a US Reaper drone. Iran claims that it had violated Iranian territory, the US military claims that it was in international waters. Trump says that Iran made a huge mistake. The pressure on Trump has ratcheted up significantly to do something. Any direct military action will result in an Iranian response. I don't see how the US can pull together any significant group of allies, considering that it walked out on the JPCOA, with the exception on the UK, who will always s US c.
Just how many missiles has Iran built, and how good are they? I'm thinking a lot and very good. Last time I checked they had one of the most accurate missiles in the world. That means rapid destruction of assets important to the US within the region. They don't have to actually close the Straits of Hormuz, just destroy the oil shipping infrastructures of neighboring hostile countries. Iran has had a long time to think this through, many many decades, and to plan well. The US has primarily a military built for the Cold War and to attack helpless, poor, third world countries. A super-carrier is a floating graveyard. Just how deep is Iranian anger towards the US? Take a guess.
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