Chelsea ordered back to jail
#BREAKING: Chelsea Manning is ordered back to jail. She will be fined $500/day after 30 days of refusing to testify against WikiLeaks and then $1000/day after 60 days. Manning says she’ll never testify.
— Jesse Marioneaux (@jesse_marioneau) May 16, 2019
After the Venezuelan embassy was raided and now this I'm horribly disgusted with this government. There is no reason whatsoever to make her testify since she already did and the things she said are all on record. Have any presidential candidates even been asked about these two issues?
Here's Chelsea speaking out on what is happening and what she thinks is the point of the grand jury.
What a courageous person she is to stand up to what is happening to her. As she has stated she will not testify so putting her back in jail is just because they can. She has already paid a higher price for her actions than the soldiers on the Collateral murder have. Not one person was ever charged for murdering 11 people and injuring their rescuers including two children.
‘I'd rather starve to death’: Manning jailed again for refusing to testify against WikiLeaks
A federal judge has ordered Chelsea Manning to be jailed again for refusing to testify in a grand jury probe of Julian Assange, threatening the whistleblower with fines if the defiance continues. Manning says she would rather die.
“I would rather starve to death than to change my opinion in this regard. And when I say that, I mean that quite literally," Manning said during a hearing at a federal courthouse in Virginia on Thursday.The US Army intelligence specialist has already spent seven years behind bars for handing over classified military and diplomatic files to WikiLeaks in 2010, and another 62 days in jail until last week for refusing to testify before another grand jury.
This time, Manning faces a fine of $500 a day if she continues to refuse cooperation after 30 days in jail. The fine will go up to $1,000 a day after two months.
“I have never heard of jailing a witness for this long,” former FBI agent and whistleblower Colleen Rowley told RT. If the grand jury term goes on for 18 months, the fines could exceed half a million dollars, she added, calling it “draconian.”
Rowley added that the jailing of Manning is either illegal retaliation by the Trump administration, “or the case against Julian Assange is just that weak that they absolutely need Chelsea Manning’s testimony in order to firm up these specious charges.”
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Is that even legal?
Can you accrue fines while sitting in jail?
Yup
happens all the time, jail and fines.
Also, it's contempt, not double jeopardy. They are not putting her on trial again or re-litigating her court martial or seeking to overturn her pardon. Despite her belief, this is not about her or her principles. What she testified to 8+ years ago at her court martial is irrelevant at this point. This is about Julian Assange and Wikileaks and the government's attempt to extradite him now. Claiming a Grand Jury is intrusive and coercive is exactly what a Grand Jury is, so little recourse except refusal to participate and the resultant consequences.
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I'm pretty sure you lack the standing to assert
that she is mistaken to think that "this" is about her principles. Quite clearly, that is what it is about, with respect to herself. It may be about something else as far as the government is concerned -- actual principles are rarely involved when people are exercising power, whether publicly or privately -- but "this" isn't "all" about whatever the government wants it to be about. They aren't in control of other peoples' perceptions and perspectives.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Of course it's about her principles
Of course it's about her principles. What else could it be about?
The MIC wants to coerce Manning into giving testimony that would help them make a case against Assange. It would be easy enough for her to give them what they want, and in so doing get them off her back. She is refusing to do so.
If that's not an instance of someone acting from their principles, I don't know what would be.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
She was given a grant of immunity.
Not about anything that happened in prison, not anything that happened since her release.
Oh! Must be about Assange! Which is a person and subject she testified about back when.
She is giving it up for 18 months in prison, and indebtedness for her life, for her principles.
She is an amazing American. There aren't many like her.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
The bravery of this person is awesome. Literally. I am in awe.
Agree.
The world needs more Chelseas. (And I don't mean of the Clinton variety).
She is truly remarkable. I hope she knows there are those of us who think so, and are cheering for her.
May be world needs less fucking (redacted)/nt
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So, not only is she being penalized
Monetarily for taking the 5th, she is being subjected to draconian methods of coercion because she has a moral center?
Jesus Fucking Christ.
My condolences to the children of all the fathers and mothers involved in this who have sold their souls to the devil.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I mentioned this a while back, but I'll remind
folks: She has not "taken the fifth". The fifth amendment only guarantees that you cannot be compelled to testify against yourself.
She is simply refusing to testify. She's clearly guilty of contempt -- for which I applaud her. AFAIK, there are no solid constitutional protections for someone who refuses to testify to a grand jury. I don't even think there's anything barring torture. In any case, there have been many, many high profile cases in which someone has been granted immunity precisely so they cannot plead the fifth (since they are not in legal jeopardy).
Incidentally, many, many years ago there was an episode of The Rockford Files in which Jim ends up in jail for refusing to testify in front of a grand jury. He actually tries to plead the fifth, but discovers that at some point in the process he has waived that right. His lawyer (played by an actress whose name I forget, in a nice bit of cutting-edge feminist casting) explains that basically he's screwed. The episode was explicitly didactic -- at the final credits, they put text up on the screen stating that what we've just seen is absolutely possible and legal. I'm assuming some friend or relative of a writer or producer ended up on the wrong end of a similar situation.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
You are right that she isn't taking the 5th
She has been given immunity so she can't plead that. But she is pleading her other rights. The only one I remember is the 6th. I think there are 4 altogether. I just read a tweet from her saying that the FBI had also wiretapped her plus the court can find the answers from her testimony at her court martial.
If anyone is interested in helping her with her legal bills she has setup a fund for that. Let me know if anyone is interested and I'll find out more.
The Fifth is no defense...
But if you're looking for other Amendments that provide bases for appeal of this court's unprecedented and wholly unconscionable ruling, I'd start with this one.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Long after the 'muther f...ers'
are buried and forgotten, Chelsea lives.
Link to Chelsea's defense fund
If anyone is interested in helping Chelsea out with this here's the link.
Don't know how she is going to be able to pay off $1.5 million if she stays in jail for 18 months. This is draconian and beyond cruel. This is being done to get to Assange.
Again with the 18 months.
First we hear reports that Assange can be held up to 18 months prior to Swedish extradition.
Now we hear Manning can be held for up to 18 months while the Grand Jury sits.
Then we do the math. 18 months = mid-November 2020.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Trump is terrified of Assange doing to him what he did to Hillary and is taking hostages as insurance.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
I think Assange is just as afraid
I'm sure the media will make him out to be a traitor, and BTW what a coward! But with all the info Wikileaks has, and it's content, I'm sure he sees the possibility of his own death. Overtly or covertly.
If he didn't still have info...
he'd already be dead.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?