Game Over? Not Really. The Time has Come to Investigate the Perpatrators of the Russia Hoax
This morning's press conference with Attorney General Bill Barr, as he released the redacted report of the Mueller investigation to Congress, came and went without a single surprise for any well-informed person with critical thinking skills.
If you followed the attempt of Obama Administration officials to sabotage and overturn the 2016 presidential election from its very beginning in the summer of 2016 — while using expert and professional sources of news as reported by alternative media — then you already knew that there was no collusion between this President and the Russian government. Even before the inauguration in February 2017 — based on the only available physical evidence of this event — you already knew that:
The DNC emails that were published by Wikileaks were not hacked by the Russians or anyone else.
You already knew that those emails were copied to portable media from inside the headquarters of the DNC.
You already knew that the copied emails were given to a former Britich Ambassador, who carried them to London and passed them to Wikileaks.
You already knew that there is no physical evidence of the spurious charges of hacking made against the Russian government.
You already knew that if such evidence existed, then the NSA would definitely have captured it. And, they can not produce it.
You already knew that CrowdStrike is a government contractor that destroyed the log files of the DNC server that was allegedly hacked, and has no evidence to back their fantasy misinformation about Russian hackers released to the public.
You already knew that CrowdStrike misinformation was the sole "evidence" that co-conspirators in the Intelligence Community based their Russian Election Meddling assessment on — as the disclaimer within the assessment clearly states.
You already knew that the Intelligence Community was illegally spying on the Trump campaign in summer 2016 without search warrants, and were unable to come up with any evidence of collusion with Russia.
You already knew that the Intelligence conspirators then used myriad falsified evidence — partly paid for by the DNC — to obtain a FISA search warrant in late September 2016 to cover their crimes in the event that Clinton lost.
You already knew that the Poisoned Tree where all subsequent evidence and allegations would come from, is still in place right now. Waiting to be exposed.
So, it will come as no surprise to you that two years of aggressive and expensive investigation into this matter has resulted in the fact that:
President Donald Trump did NOT collude with Russia. No American colluded with Russia, including Roger Stone.
President Trump did not obstruct justice in this investigation. In fact, according to the Department of Justice, he was more transparent and cooperative than any President before him undergoing similar investigations. Furthermore, President Trump and his legal team requested that today's report be sent to Congress without any retractions from the White House.
So, what comes next? Congress will immediately put on a months-long ShitShow, as only they can do. It will be a desperate and embarrassing waste of time and it will amount to absolutely nothing whatsoever. I'll skip the details, the highlights, and the ultimate failures because you already know what that looks like.
But this is by no means over. Not even for a minute.
It is time to investigate and prosecute those members of the Federal government who foisted this HOAX on the American People through unconstitutional criminal action — and they almost got away with it. We already knew, since the end of 2016, who most of the perpetrators are. Now we know who they all are. President Trump is onboard with this plan, and he has the evidence in his top drawer.
The costs of this unprecedented criminal conspiracy to this nation and its People have been enormous and permanently damaging.
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Comments
Clearly Barr is part of the conspiracy!
No, really! He's Trump's Guy and therefore the entire report was falsified! In fact... even suggesting that this is anything other than further proof of Trump's Collusion means that you are repeating Right Wing Talking Points (Tm) and therefore are personally responsible for Hillary Clinton not being president!
CONFESS!
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Actually, Barr is Mueller's guy.
Mueller gave him his first government job back in 1990. They're very close. The Mueller's attended the wedding of Barr's daughter just before the redaction process began.
CLOSE ENOUGH! PRINT IT!
Because you know that command went out to the DNC's army of keyboard monkeys.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
"These Guys I Really Didn't Know Them and They Grabbed Me
by the scrotum and they started playing pingpong with my balls!"
Heh... From Memory... apparently this film had an impact on me.
"Roman RED!!! Papyrus, Rolling papyrus."
More quotes.:
http://www.moviequotes.com/repository.cgi?pg=3&tt=71017
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
For this,
I'll log in.
Preach.
Back out.
Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .
Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march
As for Trump
1. He's fallen and he can't get up.
2. He has no idea who the Deep State is.
3. He has no idea who the "Far Left" is.
4. He can declassify documents at will. That's good. Very good.
Nicely done, Pluto
The entire election of 2016, propelled by Clinton's bloodthirsty quest for power, could rival a GoT plot summary. The damage in trust, in lives, and in the entire political process is simply staggering.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Thanks, zoe.
This was my moment.
My work is done.
Didn't Hillary in her recent book
compare herself to Cersei Lannister?
I guess she must have believed the GoT allusion would attract Millenials. Maybe she perceived Cersei as a strong, heroic, but tragically misunderstood and mistreated female leader. Much like HRC sees herself.
https://variety.com/2017/politics/news/hillary-clinton-cersei-game-of-th...
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
test - please disregard /nt
https://www.euronews.com/live
Sadly
Enough people have drunk the koolaid that this will never be over.
And they will argue and fight about it to the detriment of solving real world problems until they die.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
And that will determine our fate as a civilization.
Everything considered, this is probably a good thing.
Turned on my local noon news for weather
they've got the ABC talking heads hollering RUSSIA. It is such BS propaganda you wouldn't believe. You're right it isn't dead. Where's the wooden stake?
Aaron Mate' does a good job dismantling it (as he has all along)...(6 min)
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How is it the Steele Dossier never brought up? Created and payed for by the dims (from RUSSIA via MI6), and used as the rationale for the Trump collusion campaign.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Aaron. The last standing American investigating journalist.
Uncompromised.
Thanks for the video link. Anyone who is hungry for the clean, calm truth ought to watch it
Thanks, Lookout
i love aaron to bits,
especially for his role in challenging wheeler and harding on russi-gate large, but i'd have to add that whitney webb, born in amerika, now living in southern chile, may have a wider breadth of interests than aaron. oh, i wish i'd known of her years ago, as it would have simplified my blogging life.
while she's been published widely, i know her best from mint press news.
it may have been a week ago that wikileaks on twitter had offered aaron congratulations for winning a superlative journalism award. alas, i couldn't find it, but did find this, and well done!:
I like it. Thanks for the link.
Great video!
Aaron Mate rocks!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Aaron Mate's take down of
British Russian conspiracy theorist Luke Harding was a classic. Aaron Mate is a wonderful journalist who actually uses the brain cells he was given to do with them what was their intended purpose...critical thinking.
I would also like to give credit to Jimmy Dore and Michael Tracey who both called BS on Russiagate from the very beginning.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Nice way to put it, gg.
You had me chuckling. Spot on, as usual.
Have a good one!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
It would be helpful, Pluto...
If you would add maybe one link to each of your "you already knew" assertions.
It seems to me that much of what you're arguing hinges on naming and proving that there was somebody who copied those emails to portable media from inside the headquarters of the DNC.
Or at least come up with some suggestions as to who could have done it and how they could done it. Or such and such an individual from this group of people could have done it how, so on and so forth. Y'know all the standard Clue stuff.
Julian Assange knows who that is
...and would love to tell Congress if they will give him immunity to testify. His lawyers have made this deal with Congress and for two years his appearance has been blocked at the last minute by the DOJ and the IC and one member of the Senate.
I'm sure Assange knows who gave him the emails . . .
. . and can prove it.
But won't he say that he can't and won't release that information lest he destroy his journalistic integrity and reputation?
I don't know what kind of deals his lawyers have offered. Are these offers documented anywhere?
The most likely scenario is that Seth Rich gave the
files to Craig Murray, who carried them back to the UK. Rich, being dead, has nothing to lose from being exposed, and based on the tenor of Murray's writings, I suspect he would love nothing more than to be able to come out and say that he was the courier.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
And what will enable Murray to make the reveal?
Assange's testimony, presumably.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Will Assange id who provided the emails?
Don't forget there were emails from Clinton's server, the DNC's server, and Podesta's server.
You're suggesting a Rich to Murray to Wikileaks hookup but that's just for the DNC emails.
From where did Wikileaks get the Clinton emails and the Podesta emails?
How the fuck do I know what Assange will or won't do?
Generally speaking, his advocates assume that he won't compromise a source -- but perhaps he will, if the source is already dead and has nothing to gain from being protected, nor lose from being revealed.
Plutes' analysis mentions only the DNC emails.
The Podesta emails appear to have been obtained via phishing. We have only the word of untrustworthy actors that the culprit was a Russian group called Fancy Bear, and only the word of untrustworthy actors that Fancy Bear is an operation of the Russian government, and we have no word whatsoever of who took the phished emails and gave them to Wikileaks. I reserve judgement, but regardless, the Trump campaign doesn't seem to have been involved.
As to "the Clinton emails", I don't even know which emails you're referring to.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
I share your weariness.
Beginning to think that engaging @Wally in "conversation" is a dead-end.
Vice versa
I like conversations, not so much tent revivals.
Hi, Wally,
The Clinton State Dept. emails were made public as a result of a Freedom of Information Act request, possibly by Judicial Watch. WikiLeaks made them available in a searchable database.
it's impossible for
me to even imagine that the honorable craig murray would ever sell out the source.
Do you think Assange might cut a deal . . .
. . . as suggested by folks here?
i can't imagine it.
what would be the point? the reason pompeo and bolton really want him extradited to gitmo is for publishing the cia vaults, apparent stand-down ordered by comey notwithstanding. they sure as shootin' don't give a fig about which insider leaked the podesta and dnc emails, it only helped T's election.
but the reason they've only charged him far with computer fraud is that it carries a maximum of five years sentence. meaning; see? the UK and ecuador were honest when they'd claimed they won't rendite him for torture to a nation where he'll face the death penalty, althugh f course they'll file other charge later, as the original indictment inclued words used in the statutes on Espionage.
but now we're getting to the point of the recently unsealed indictment from fibbie agent megan brown on December 21, 2017, i hadn't wanted to delve into, must...needs must. and it's by way of trumped up phony charges, oscar grenfell's coverage includes this:
not.just.a.coincidence, imo. the appeals against julian's extreme rendition could take years, of course, but cold comfort for him as he languishes in belmarsh prison, UK's gitmo. i fear the worst for him, even now.
I can't see Assange cutting a deal either
Even the communications that were stopped by Comey didn't seem to indicate anything like that was going to happen as some have suggested.
But they will probably do their best to make his life as miserable for as long as possible. That's a form of torture in my book. I really don't know what I'd do if I were in his shoes.
Julian says he can prove who didn't leak the DNC/podesta...
...emails.
So rather than say who, he has offered to say and prove who didn't (ie Russia). That is my understanding of the deal he tried to cut and was refused. TPTB don't want that, it would ruin their narrative.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Video of Bill Binney saying Seth Rich contacted WikiLeaks
Starts around 8:37 (h/t to u/edutainment2 at Way of the Bern):
Great stuff, PR.
Always a pleasure to read you. Lots of respect.
Wish I had more time but I don't.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
I may come back in later and place links here and there.
Most items come from a combination of sources. They are not quotes.
I'm talking to a small audience here that has spent several years witnessing the uncovering of these facts and assumptions. It is not for beginners, I'm afraid. I have a lot of confidence about the items listed. This essay follows a very specific timeline of events across six months, but only in the US.
There are other statements in this timeline I did not add because I am not yet fully confident they are complete or completely correct. The deep research on these comments was done by various experts or professionals. I analyzed them against the timeline.
There is much much more to this Hoax. There are many different timelines that cover different parts of the Hoax. The Novichok poisoning in the UK is another part of the Hoax on a different timeline. Another is the Steele dossier. Those events and participants are not included here and they have far greater implications that reach further into the future. There are also several nations involved and nearly one hundred active participants, many of them connected with intelligence agencies. None of them were investigated by Mueller. He was following a deliberate dead end providing a distraction.
I may post an infographic with all of the participants names, photos, and the roles they played in the Hoax. There are many, many people around the world who are doing this work. I am just one of them. The Hoax is still in progress.
Thanks Pluto
Maybe the audience here is bigger and more diversified than it seems by most of the comments.
And it's now known that there is cross-fertilization with discussion groups like Way of the Bern.
I should tell you that if you listen to Barr's statement
...there is a cluster of statements he makes that are a complete fabrication. This occurs when he discusses the Russians that were indicted and the "hacking" of emails at the DNC. There's not much truth in any of that. It pertains to operative parts of the current Hoax. and covers for our foreign allies who are involved. It also preserves the narrative of Mueller's kabuki investigation.
I think it's largely a hoax, too.
I'm just quibbling over some details and proofs.
I'm even more fed up with the whole saga because as Chomsky noted just the other day:
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Speaking of WoTB
The WayoftheBern reddit group has a great deal of information posted in their sidebar that you might find helpful. Lists of links and detailed information deconstructing Russiagate, among many other subjects.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
I agree.
It's an excellent resource for the authentic Left, with very thoughtful and interesting writing.
I'm amazed you've managed to keep track of it all.
I can't.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
I've reached my wetware limit.
It's much larger than the Mueller investigation. With $60 million dollars, a couple of FISA warrants, and 30 full time attorneys, I could possibly see it all the way through. But this is as far as it goes on my budget. Plus, I'm out of RAM.
The hoax is still in progress
I've thought all along that if Mueller does charge Trump that he would have just made things up to do it. This proves it in my opinion.
Mueller links Trump and campaign to 11 instances of potential obstruction
Cohen took it on himself to contact some one in Russia from what I've read and all he did was to send some guy an email about the possibility of doing that. He said that he never heard back from him. So where is the connection to Putin here?
Was Mueller aware of all the things that happened in order for the Trump tower meeting to happen? The passport issue that was fixed by Obama's state department? The dinner meeting she had with the guy from Fusion GPS after the meeting was nixed? Wasn't it to get
opposition researchdirt on Hillary's campaign and then she swung it around to talk about the Maginsky act? Did he know that the FBI had been trying to fix people up with their operatives in order to entrap them?More:
Did Mueller know that Page had previously been an FBI informant? How about Misfud telling Papadopoulus that Russia had Hillary's emails and that the meeting he then went to with the Dutch ambassador had been setup by the FBI?
How about all the unmasking that Susan Rice did that was unconstitutional? Bruce and Nellie Ohr? The bogus Steele dossier that he basically made up with help from Hillary's BFF Sydney Bluementhal? The many, many other players in this farce? Or that it was originally the British intelligence agency that spied on Trump's campaign? And the many other things that we have discussed here for over two years that proved that this was a total setup by Hillary and Obama to use over Trump in case he didn't accept the results of the election? "Oh you won't accept the fact that you lost? Here's lots of interesting information we can use against you if you don't."
Just how much information did Robert the Swan Mueller have during his investigation? Hmm?
Dear Democrats: Mueller Just Handed You a Road Map for Impeachment. Follow It.
Dear gawd, please make this stop!
No crime committed? Impeach him anyway
I get what he's saying here, but Clinton did commit a crime. He perjured himself during the WH sex investigation right? I'm sure lots of people are telling the democrats to go ahead and bring charges against him anyway. We will see Barr release the unredacted report into Hillary's private email server and possibly how Trump had been setup by the Obama administration. Bet Nancy won't take the chance of this info coming out.
That essay you link to was written
... in a state of poor mental hygiene. I can see why you were dismayed. But I was rather pleased to see the comments pushing back with such vigor. Someone posted this one:
Can't help noticing Mike Gravel's name there
I hadn't realized that Mike Gravel was part of the VIPS group.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
How the Democratic candidates first react to this information
...will define what kind of people they are and determine if they are fit to be the President of the United States.
ii suspect if you look on their
twitter accounts they might signal something else, and although chuck schumer never offered up a senate version of this poisonous, but illustrative HB1, bruce dixon covers it quite well in his jan. 2019 ‘House Democrats’ HR 1 – Faking the Funk on Voting Rights, Spreading Fear and Gunning For the Greens in 2020’
and yep, i'd checked the text of the long, long bill as well as The final roll call vote March 8, 2019: (D: 234 yeas, O nays, NV 1 [Rep. Clay]); (R: 193 nays, 0 yeas, NV 4)
brilliant of them; they can campaign on that for 2020, too. i have an idea! let's call it democracy for some™!
well, we'll be able to judge the quality of that
intel report by whether or not it identifies these, in order, as the top three threats:
A. Electronic voting.
B. Voter ID and similar legislation that suppresses voting in certain communities
C. Executive action that suppresses voting (e.g., secretaries of state making voting inaccessible to certain communities).
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
please feel free to read the text
and report back; i have no idea of the order. it's somewhere in this earlier diary i'd posted: the epic barriers to Third Party candidates
♪ let yer fingers...♫
do the bingling thru the yellow pages...♫
'2020 Democratic Candidates Target Barr Over Mueller Report'
new yawk times, today
And they wonder why Americans won't vote.
They are too repulsed and have too much personal dignity.
But Barr's no angel. He's working the Hoax, too.
Thank you, Pluto!!
Great summary! I imagine the Dems are going to launch endless "investigations" that will go nowhere so Rachel and the rest of the chattering class can continue bloviating. And meanwhile, Rome burns .....
Hell is empty and all the devils are here. William Shakespeare
You got that right
The democrats are asking Mueller to come to congress and talk to them about his report, but I'm betting that he's now on vacation after working so hard the last two years burbling up this fantasy. This is like Fitzmas all over again. He can't say that Trump colluded with Vlad, but he can't say that he didn't. But what that does is leave the possibility of congress finding something if they do enough investigating. Just look at the front page of ToP to see how this is being framed. Oh and whilst you're there don't forget to sign a petition asking democrats to subpoena Mueller.
This is going to go on for two more years and people are still
left with the idea that Russia interfered with the election. Psst..they didn't.
Good to see you again.
Great work, Pluto!
Indeed, those of us that have been on this site for a few years, now, DO ALREADY KNOW all of the items you outlined. Indeed - we KNEW!!! Links are not necessary - any curious person can go though the c99p essays and find all the evidence. Any curious person can read Chris Hedges, Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate, the Real News Network, and especially, Jimmy Dore. Have at it! Beautifully done!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Well, I don't know everything advanced in the essay
I'd appreciate the key links.
I'm too lazy otherwise to look to prove an argument I'm not making, especially going through 3 and some years of archives. And while I like C99%, I don't consider it like Evangelicals look at the Bible.
But I have been reading left sources since this whole mess began in 2016 and I simply can't say I know all of what's been claimed in the essay.
How do you think the DNC emails made their way to Wikileaks?
hey wally...
i haven't got the time to provide links for all of pluto's major assertions, though i can tell you as a person that pays attention to a variety of news sources that there are sources that i have read for pretty much all of them.
but, if you are interested, here's an article that you could start with:
VIPS: Mueller’s Forensics-Free Findings
But VIPS doesn't claim "to know"
I've been a big fan of Robert Parry from way back. Sad that he's left us.
VIPS claim that they "can prove that the conventional-wisdom story about Russian-hacking-DNC-emails-for-WikiLeaks is false" but have not been given the chance to provide congressional or other governmental testimony. But they also admit "We do not claim our conclusions are 'irrefutable and undeniable."
I do think they've gone a long way in debunking the narrative that's been crammed down our throats. But I'd also like to get some alternative idea of how those documents wound up in the hands of Wikileaks, other than the indictments of the Russian officials.
This is aside from whether or not I think Assange is a hero or if he's getting a raw deal (both of which I do).
Finally, I think the Russians would be idiots not to be puckstering around with their intelligence apparatus especially given all the shit that our intelligence community has thrown at them. In any event, any claims that they had more than a miniscule impact on the election, I find ludicrous.
heh, well...
which is the most important thing about their work. it is incumbent upon the accuser (the government/its prosecutors) to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that their accusations are true. vips work impeaches their credibility.
they do not have to show how an action occurred, only that the government's contention is not up to a standard of reliability.
sure, we'd all like to know that. there are people who know. if it is important to know, presumably the government will make a deal that is satisfactory to all parties and the knowledge will be imparted.
my guess is that the government does not care how the documents got into wikileaks hands. they had all of the resources that they needed to determine whether and how the documents were hacked. they declined to examine the servers and instead chose to rely upon the word of a government contractor (crowdstrike) whose reliability might reasonably be questioned.
How does anyone know how those
emails got to Wikileaks? Only Assange and the folks at Wikileaks know that answer. Why do you think anyone here could possibly know that or are you being snarky?
As I said above, most of us here have been following this Faux-Russia collusion narrative since it's inception. You seem to be new here, so sorry for me dissing you wanting links to what Pluto wrote. To me, you are questioning what Pluto wrote, while most of us here UNDERSTAND what Pluto wrote because we've been reading articles all along.
If, as you say, you are too lazy to go look this stuff up, then why is it incumbent on the rest of us to provide you with what you are unwilling to do yourself?
At least joe tried and you dissed him. Not good form.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I dissed Joe?
If Joe feels like that, I'd like to hear it from him.
You state "Only Assange and the folks at Wikileaks know that answer."
Some folks here have suggested otherwise.
I accept your apology for dissing me. And I have been reading articles from leftist political analysts too. For a long time. Decades and decades.
Yes, I am questioning what Pluto and others wrote. I don't see how that amounts to bad form or is any way impolite.
I was joking about being lazy. But I do agree with Bob S. that it's helpful (although he's stated it more forcefully) to back up claims with some sourcing. It simply makes for a stronger argument. If I ask for some help, I can accept being told to fuck off but I'd still appreciate the help.
As I noted to my thank you to Pluto, I don't think this forum is as closed as some folks might think it is. I think there's a more diverse readership than the majority of comments made indicates. And we now know there is cross-fertilization with other groups such as Way of the Bern.
for the record...
i do not feel dissed.
wally, since it appears that you are relatively new here, there have been countless discussions of these issues and articles posted over a period of time here. pluto's piece is part of a running discussion amongst a lot of folks on this site.
i agree that if this piece were to be considered as a stand-alone document, it would fail to meet the sort of standards of support that are common in internet argumentation. it's just that this is not that sort of piece.
which is not to say that the sort of piece that you're looking for is not a desirable thing or that you should be personally satisfied in your quest for knowledge by this. i encourage you to look into the details of the claims that pluto brings up if they interest you.
if you come up blank somewhere after a good faith effort to find something, feel free post an essay requesting information. this is a topic that a lot of people here have been focusing on for some time and i'm certain that somebody will be able to easily locate the information you're looking for.
Dear Wally...
here's a little pro tip for you: your shtick is really quite annoying to many here.
I've noticed
If you want me to stop questioning, or have specific suggestions how I might handle it better, I have no problem with either moving on or trying to make specific adjustments.
In any case, it'll be pretty hard for me to make adjustments based on individuals' specific personal needs.
You want people to supply you with links because you say
you're too lazy to look through the site and find them yourself, but you want others to do that for you? Why? Here's an easy start. Look at the essays that Pluto and I have written. Then you can google the deal with Assange and Comey. Or DuckDuckGo would probably be better. This issue was talked about here recently but I don't remember whose essay it was in.
Consortium news has an essay about some of this stuff. You can try looking there.
For Example
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/06/27/did-sen-warner-and-comey-collude-o...
They think they are going to get away with this and so many more conspiracy crimes related to the Russia Hoax.
If they do, it will be over Julian Assange's dead body.
Thanks for posting this, Pluto
Of course they had to kill the deal because Russia Gate would have come off the tracks if Assange showed that Russia did not give them the emails. He could have also shown how it was Hillary's BFFs who said that people need to blame Russia for them so that people would focus on the fact that they rigged the primary against Bernie.
I haven't seen anyone in the MSM talking about this.
Well...
maybe slowing down a bit might help. Bobbing and weaving through comment threads like The Energizer Bunny will be construed by many authors and commentators as an attempt to control the narrative.
Or thwart it.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Okay, thanks
I thought that was the way to engage in serious conversations.
At any rate, I actually really, really appreciate your likening me to the energizer bunny.
I think I'm gonna mosey on but I wish everyone well and appreciate folks for engaging me.
Do you see that link Pluto provided?
Here's your answer to the Comey Wikileaks deal.
Go where ya wanna go,
Do whatcha wanna do.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Okay, I'm going to correct what I wrote to you above.
You ask, again, how did the DNC emails get to Wikileaks. Plutes wrote this:
I'm now going to correct the additional details I gave you upthread. I said that Craig Murray (the ambassador cited above) was the courier for the original DNC emails. I just went back to re-read what he has said and written on the matter, and in fact he claimed to be the courier for a later set of emails, presumably the Podesta files, which he claimed were handed to him by an intermediary for the person who originally copied them.
He has implied that the same person was the source for both leaks -- but the one meeting he specifically describes was in September 2016, well after the original DNC leaks were published. (If he has elsewhere suggested that he also collected the original DNC emails, I have not seen that ...)
He is not vague:
His September visit was well-documented, because he was initially denied a visa waiver (he was emceeing an award banquet), having pretty much made himself persona non grata as a vocal opponent of the US international torture protocol.
He hasn't, to my knowledge, commented on how the earlier DNC emails made their way from the leaker to Wikileaks, but he's pretty straightforward about the fact that both sets of emails came from the same source (or sources, two or more people acting in concert).
At the time of Rich's murder, he made clear his own assumption that Rich was assassinated. I'm sure that if I were Craig Murray, and knew what he knows, that would be my assumption. As an outsider, I'd like to see something more rigorous than just pointing out the absurdities in the official story. Maybe it really was just a robbery gone wrong. The question is, though, why would Murray have any reason to think it was a political assassination unless he knew that Rich had leaked the files?
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
okay, one further clarification:
To be absolutely precise, Murray never directly asserts what it was that he brought back in September 2016 -- only that he met with an associate of the leaker, received a package, and carried back to the UK.
He further asserts that he has met, face to face, the actual leaker.
Thus, he is claiming direct first-person knowledge of the people involved, as well as participation in moving something from them to Wikileaks.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Arghhh, the further I look, the more "clarification"
I find on Murray's take.
an article from counterpunch, quoting an article from consortiumnews.com, quoting a podcast interview of Murray by Scott Horton:
EDIT TO ADD:
The consortium news quotes of the Scott Horton article say Murray explicitly doubts that whatever he brought back to the UK included any of the published leaks:
This would be a lot easier if so many people hadn't published conflicting accounts of whatever it is that Murray has said.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
love seeing this laid out in
a collection of simple statements. Yep, we all knew it.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
As always, I find it extremely annoying that the right-wing
partisan clowns slap the label "radical left" on the center-right neoliberal clowns of the democratic party.
most of the radical left, Democrat or otherwise, has been expressing contempt for the Russiagate narrative pretty much from day 1 -- and not because any/many of us have anything resembling love for Donald Trump.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
All part of the game
Calling the mainstream Dems the radical left gives the Republicans an enemy to rally around and gives those same Democrats an excuse to punch left and move right. I remember a recent attack ad against Pelosi and all I could think was how can I vote for the candidate they’re describing because that sure isn’t the one we got.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
The plan is to wipe us out
...by stealing the words we use to describe ourselves. When we run out of words, we'll cease to exist.
First the came for liberal.
Then they took progressive to define happy incrementalists.
They took Left to describe unhappy nonconformists.
And they ran off with Far Left to describe Democratic Leaders.
They gave middle class to the poor,
And working class to the chronically unemployed.
They gave job creators to the automators and outsourcers.
The innovators are now the government contractors and monopolies.
You could be on to something here.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Arrest them all, Dipshit included.
He was a willing pawn in the Clintons' bid for the throne so he deserves tar and feathering as much as the rest of the capitalist pigs and their sycophantic brown-nosing 'representatives'.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Excellent essay--thanks, Pluto! Watching with great interest
to see what Dems will do, now that the Mueller Report has been released.
I believe that Pelosi will lose this fight, and that the Party will go down the rabbit hole of impeachment. If they do, my 'guess' is that the Dem Party will implode before the 2020 election. Which, frankly, gives me no heartburn, since, maybe a true lefty/radical Party would emerge from the ashes!
Seriously, watching with bated breath to see if there will be an "investigation, of the investigators."
IMO, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Comey--all of the intelligence 'heads'--are dirty, and, were likely complicit in launching the attempted soft coup.
Time to bring out the popcorn, I say!
Have a good one, All!
Mollie
I think dogs are the most amazing creatures; they give unconditional love. For me they are the role model for being alive.
~~Gilda Radner, Comedienne
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Since it is the Deep State we’re talking about,
I’d say the odds of DJT falling victim to some kinetic event (courtesy the usual “lone gunman with a history of mental problems”) just went up.
What are their other choices?
Although I'd prefer Mr. Mustard in the Library with a Candlestick, if it comes to that.
And even so, it may be too late. The only thing protecting them is the media accessories to the crime.
Nope not over by a long shot
It's more than obvious that Barr whitewashed the Mueller report and he is covering up for Trump. Oh I wish that I was kidding, but here's a few tidbits from the insane asylum:
EH? He either obstructed justice or he did not. If you can't say that he did then I would think that means he did not. Isn't this an either or question? I am either guilty or not guilty. Seems like we are having shades of Fitzmas here. Too much sand kicked on home plate to see what happened.
In case people have forgotten, after Starr released his pornographic report on Clinton a law was passed that made it impossible for the full report on presidents to be released to the public. Barr with Mueller's help has been redacting what they had to. Oh NOES!!! Cosnpiracy!!
You'd think a member of congress would know that.
There is so much more of this type of nonsense that I could go on all week filling this box, but the sun is finally out and the dawgs want to walk finally this week and I need to mow the lawn.
But sadly this saga is a long way from over. And as long as so many people believe that Russia put Trump's buttocks in office this distraction is going to continue. Pluto you did a great job showing how this was totally made up from the gitgo as well as everyone here that have written numerous essays debunking every single point of this as new info came out.
Tah
Well, agree with most of your sentiments. But, regarding
this,
I think it may be a good thing. If Dems actually bring impeachment charges, I believe it will be viewed as overreach, and 'sour grapes' by the majority of the populace, and, just maybe a true radical lefty Party will rise out of the ash heap, in place of the corporatist Dem Party.
At any rate, I figure that Graham will be pressured by the RINOs to not investigate the Deep State actors--the Intel Community/FSC/BO/DNC, etc.--who are most responsible for instigating this fiasco. IOW, I'm 'guessing' that the purple state Repubs will tell him and Gowdy to 'move on.'
Time will tell.
[Edited: Deleted redundant phrase - "it might be a good thing".]
Mollie
I think dogs are the most amazing creatures; they give unconditional love. For me they are the role model for being alive.
~~Gilda Radner, Comedienne
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
If I'm not mistaken,
...it's up to the DOJ to launch an investigation into the perpetrators of the Russia Hoax.
It doesn't matter if Congress decides not to do so. Members of Congress have nothing to gain from an investigation like this. Many of them will come out of it looking like fools or collaborators. It's not really a partisan issue. This unprecedented attack was on the nation and the will of the People.
Hi, Pluto. Yes, I understand that Barr indicated
that he'll review info about some of the FBI methods surrounding surveillance of DT, etc.
However, Lindsey Graham declared a couple weeks ago that he would also lead an investigation into the methods that the Intel Community employed initially, when the entire idea of conducting surveillance of the Trump campaign, first arose.
I think it's within his purview as the Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He's also going to look into the validity of having had a FISA warrant issued based upon the so-called Steele Dossier.
Frankly, I don't mind if he (Graham) does. He, and other Repubs have made accusations for quite some time, that the FISA warrants weren't issued based on factual evidence (or, that the presiding Judge didn't know that some of the evidence was paid for by the Clinton campaign)--so, they should have to "put up, or, shut up." (IMO)
Hey, good to see you.
Mollie
I think dogs are the most amazing creatures; they give unconditional love. For me they are the role model for being alive.
~~Gilda Radner, Comedienne
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
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