Game Over? Not Really. The Time has Come to Investigate the Perpatrators of the Russia Hoax

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This morning's press conference with Attorney General Bill Barr, as he released the redacted report of the Mueller investigation to Congress, came and went without a single surprise for any well-informed person with critical thinking skills.

If you followed the attempt of Obama Administration officials to sabotage and overturn the 2016 presidential election from its very beginning in the summer of 2016 — while using expert and professional sources of news as reported by alternative media — then you already knew that there was no collusion between this President and the Russian government. Even before the inauguration in February 2017 — based on the only available physical evidence of this event — you already knew that:

The DNC emails that were published by Wikileaks were not hacked by the Russians or anyone else.

You already knew that those emails were copied to portable media from inside the headquarters of the DNC.

You already knew that the copied emails were given to a former Britich Ambassador, who carried them to London and passed them to Wikileaks.

You already knew that there is no physical evidence of the spurious charges of hacking made against the Russian government.

You already knew that if such evidence existed, then the NSA would definitely have captured it. And, they can not produce it.

You already knew that CrowdStrike is a government contractor that destroyed the log files of the DNC server that was allegedly hacked, and has no evidence to back their fantasy misinformation about Russian hackers released to the public.

You already knew that CrowdStrike misinformation was the sole "evidence" that co-conspirators in the Intelligence Community based their Russian Election Meddling assessment on — as the disclaimer within the assessment clearly states.

You already knew that the Intelligence Community was illegally spying on the Trump campaign in summer 2016 without search warrants, and were unable to come up with any evidence of collusion with Russia.

You already knew that the Intelligence conspirators then used myriad falsified evidence — partly paid for by the DNC — to obtain a FISA search warrant in late September 2016 to cover their crimes in the event that Clinton lost.

You already knew that the Poisoned Tree where all subsequent evidence and allegations would come from, is still in place right now. Waiting to be exposed.

So, it will come as no surprise to you that two years of aggressive and expensive investigation into this matter has resulted in the fact that:

President Donald Trump did NOT collude with Russia. No American colluded with Russia, including Roger Stone.

President Trump did not obstruct justice in this investigation. In fact, according to the Department of Justice, he was more transparent and cooperative than any President before him undergoing similar investigations. Furthermore, President Trump and his legal team requested that today's report be sent to Congress without any retractions from the White House.

So, what comes next? Congress will immediately put on a months-long ShitShow, as only they can do. It will be a desperate and embarrassing waste of time and it will amount to absolutely nothing whatsoever. I'll skip the details, the highlights, and the ultimate failures because you already know what that looks like.

But this is by no means over. Not even for a minute.

It is time to investigate and prosecute those members of the Federal government who foisted this HOAX on the American People through unconstitutional criminal action — and they almost got away with it. We already knew, since the end of 2016, who most of the perpetrators are. Now we know who they all are. President Trump is onboard with this plan, and he has the evidence in his top drawer.

The costs of this unprecedented criminal conspiracy to this nation and its People have been enormous and permanently damaging.
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detroitmechworks's picture

No, really! He's Trump's Guy and therefore the entire report was falsified! In fact... even suggesting that this is anything other than further proof of Trump's Collusion means that you are repeating Right Wing Talking Points (Tm) and therefore are personally responsible for Hillary Clinton not being president!

CONFESS!

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@detroitmechworks

Mueller gave him his first government job back in 1990. They're very close. The Mueller's attended the wedding of Barr's daughter just before the redaction process began.

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@Pluto's Republic Because you know that command went out to the DNC's army of keyboard monkeys. Smile

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by the scrotum and they started playing pingpong with my balls!"
Heh... From Memory... apparently this film had an impact on me.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

I'll log in.

Preach.

Back out.

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . .

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1. He's fallen and he can't get up.
2. He has no idea who the Deep State is.
3. He has no idea who the "Far Left" is.
4. He can declassify documents at will. That's good. Very good.

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The entire election of 2016, propelled by Clinton's bloodthirsty quest for power, could rival a GoT plot summary. The damage in trust, in lives, and in the entire political process is simply staggering.

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@Anja Geitz

This was my moment.
My work is done.

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@Anja Geitz compare herself to Cersei Lannister?

I guess she must have believed the GoT allusion would attract Millenials. Maybe she perceived Cersei as a strong, heroic, but tragically misunderstood and mistreated female leader. Much like HRC sees herself.

https://variety.com/2017/politics/news/hillary-clinton-cersei-game-of-th...

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@Centaurea

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Enough people have drunk the koolaid that this will never be over.

And they will argue and fight about it to the detriment of solving real world problems until they die.

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@Steven D

Everything considered, this is probably a good thing.

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they've got the ABC talking heads hollering RUSSIA. It is such BS propaganda you wouldn't believe. You're right it isn't dead. Where's the wooden stake?

Aaron Mate' does a good job dismantling it (as he has all along)...(6 min)

How is it the Steele Dossier never brought up? Created and payed for by the dims (from RUSSIA via MI6), and used as the rationale for the Trump collusion campaign.

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@Lookout

Uncompromised.

Thanks for the video link. Anyone who is hungry for the clean, calm truth ought to watch it

Thanks, Lookout

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@Pluto's Republic

especially for his role in challenging wheeler and harding on russi-gate large, but i'd have to add that whitney webb, born in amerika, now living in southern chile, may have a wider breadth of interests than aaron. oh, i wish i'd known of her years ago, as it would have simplified my blogging life.

while she's been published widely, i know her best from mint press news.

it may have been a week ago that wikileaks on twitter had offered aaron congratulations for winning a superlative journalism award. alas, i couldn't find it, but did find this, and well done!:

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@wendy davis

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@Lookout
Aaron Mate rocks! Good

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@Lookout British Russian conspiracy theorist Luke Harding was a classic. Aaron Mate is a wonderful journalist who actually uses the brain cells he was given to do with them what was their intended purpose...critical thinking.

I would also like to give credit to Jimmy Dore and Michael Tracey who both called BS on Russiagate from the very beginning.

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@gulfgal98
You had me chuckling. Spot on, as usual.

Have a good one! Pleasantry

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If you would add maybe one link to each of your "you already knew" assertions.

It seems to me that much of what you're arguing hinges on naming and proving that there was somebody who copied those emails to portable media from inside the headquarters of the DNC.

Or at least come up with some suggestions as to who could have done it and how they could done it. Or such and such an individual from this group of people could have done it how, so on and so forth. Y'know all the standard Clue stuff.

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@Wally

...and would love to tell Congress if they will give him immunity to testify. His lawyers have made this deal with Congress and for two years his appearance has been blocked at the last minute by the DOJ and the IC and one member of the Senate.

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@Pluto's Republic

. . and can prove it.

But won't he say that he can't and won't release that information lest he destroy his journalistic integrity and reputation?

I don't know what kind of deals his lawyers have offered. Are these offers documented anywhere?

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@Wally
files to Craig Murray, who carried them back to the UK. Rich, being dead, has nothing to lose from being exposed, and based on the tenor of Murray's writings, I suspect he would love nothing more than to be able to come out and say that he was the courier.

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On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

Don't forget there were emails from Clinton's server, the DNC's server, and Podesta's server.

You're suggesting a Rich to Murray to Wikileaks hookup but that's just for the DNC emails.

From where did Wikileaks get the Clinton emails and the Podesta emails?

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@Wally
Generally speaking, his advocates assume that he won't compromise a source -- but perhaps he will, if the source is already dead and has nothing to gain from being protected, nor lose from being revealed.

Plutes' analysis mentions only the DNC emails.

The Podesta emails appear to have been obtained via phishing. We have only the word of untrustworthy actors that the culprit was a Russian group called Fancy Bear, and only the word of untrustworthy actors that Fancy Bear is an operation of the Russian government, and we have no word whatsoever of who took the phished emails and gave them to Wikileaks. I reserve judgement, but regardless, the Trump campaign doesn't seem to have been involved.

As to "the Clinton emails", I don't even know which emails you're referring to.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd Beginning to think that engaging @Wally in "conversation" is a dead-end.

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@Eagles92

I like conversations, not so much tent revivals.

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@Wally

The Clinton State Dept. emails were made public as a result of a Freedom of Information Act request, possibly by Judicial Watch. WikiLeaks made them available in a searchable database.

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/

WikiLeaks

Hillary Clinton Email Archive

On March 16, 2016 WikiLeaks launched a searchable archive for over 30 thousand emails & email attachments sent to and from Hillary Clinton's private email server while she was Secretary of State. The 50,547 pages of documents span from 30 June 2010 to 12 August 2014. 7,570 of the documents were sent by Hillary Clinton. The emails were made available in the form of thousands of PDFs by the US State Department as a result of a Freedom of Information Act request. More PDFs were made available on February 29, 2016, and a set of additional 995 emails was imported up to February 2, 2018.

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@Wally

me to even imagine that the honorable craig murray would ever sell out the source.

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@wendy davis

. . . as suggested by folks here?

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@Wally

what would be the point? the reason pompeo and bolton really want him extradited to gitmo is for publishing the cia vaults, apparent stand-down ordered by comey notwithstanding. they sure as shootin' don't give a fig about which insider leaked the podesta and dnc emails, it only helped T's election.

but the reason they've only charged him far with computer fraud is that it carries a maximum of five years sentence. meaning; see? the UK and ecuador were honest when they'd claimed they won't rendite him for torture to a nation where he'll face the death penalty, althugh f course they'll file other charge later, as the original indictment inclued words used in the statutes on Espionage.

but now we're getting to the point of the recently unsealed indictment from fibbie agent megan brown on December 21, 2017, i hadn't wanted to delve into, must...needs must. and it's by way of trumped up phony charges, oscar grenfell's coverage includes this:

"The timeline presented by Brown, also provides new evidence of the motives behind the stepped-up US pursuit of Assange.

She began working with the “counter-espionage squad” targeting Assange in February 2017, the same month WikiLeaks announced that it was preparing to release a massive trove of documents from the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), dubbed Vault 7.

The documents, published over March 2017, were the most extensive exposure of the criminal methods of the CIA in more than 30 years.

They detailed the activities of a secretive division within the agency, tasked with hacking computers all over the world. The documents demonstrated that the division had developed techniques to hack into computer systems and leave “tell-tale” markers, attributing the attacks to other countries, including Russia and Iran.

Vault 7 revealed that the agency was spying on people through smart televisions and other household devices. The CIA was also seeking to develop capabilities to remotely take control of the computer systems in modern cars. Such abilities could be used in assassination operations.

The US government response to the exposures was apoplectic. In April 2017, CIA director Mike Pompeo declared that Assange was a “demon” and that WikiLeaks was a “non-state hostile intelligence service” without any first amendment rights."

not.just.a.coincidence, imo. the appeals against julian's extreme rendition could take years, of course, but cold comfort for him as he languishes in belmarsh prison, UK's gitmo. i fear the worst for him, even now.

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@wendy davis

Even the communications that were stopped by Comey didn't seem to indicate anything like that was going to happen as some have suggested.

But they will probably do their best to make his life as miserable for as long as possible. That's a form of torture in my book. I really don't know what I'd do if I were in his shoes.

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@Wally
...emails.
So rather than say who, he has offered to say and prove who didn't (ie Russia). That is my understanding of the deal he tried to cut and was refused. TPTB don't want that, it would ruin their narrative.

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@UntimelyRippd
Starts around 8:37 (h/t to u/edutainment2 at Way of the Bern):

Great stuff, PR.

Always a pleasure to read you. Lots of respect.

Wish I had more time but I don't.

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THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

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@Wally

If you would add maybe one link to each of your "you already knew" assertions.

Most items come from a combination of sources. They are not quotes.

I'm talking to a small audience here that has spent several years witnessing the uncovering of these facts and assumptions. It is not for beginners, I'm afraid. I have a lot of confidence about the items listed. This essay follows a very specific timeline of events across six months, but only in the US.

There are other statements in this timeline I did not add because I am not yet fully confident they are complete or completely correct. The deep research on these comments was done by various experts or professionals. I analyzed them against the timeline.

There is much much more to this Hoax. There are many different timelines that cover different parts of the Hoax. The Novichok poisoning in the UK is another part of the Hoax on a different timeline. Another is the Steele dossier. Those events and participants are not included here and they have far greater implications that reach further into the future. There are also several nations involved and nearly one hundred active participants, many of them connected with intelligence agencies. None of them were investigated by Mueller. He was following a deliberate dead end providing a distraction.

I may post an infographic with all of the participants names, photos, and the roles they played in the Hoax. There are many, many people around the world who are doing this work. I am just one of them. The Hoax is still in progress.

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@Pluto's Republic

Maybe the audience here is bigger and more diversified than it seems by most of the comments.

And it's now known that there is cross-fertilization with discussion groups like Way of the Bern.

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@Wally

...there is a cluster of statements he makes that are a complete fabrication. This occurs when he discusses the Russians that were indicted and the "hacking" of emails at the DNC. There's not much truth in any of that. It pertains to operative parts of the current Hoax. and covers for our foreign allies who are involved. It also preserves the narrative of Mueller's kabuki investigation.

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@Pluto's Republic

I'm just quibbling over some details and proofs.

I'm even more fed up with the whole saga because as Chomsky noted just the other day:

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@Wally

And it's now known that there is cross-fertilization with discussion groups like Way of the Bern.

The WayoftheBern reddit group has a great deal of information posted in their sidebar that you might find helpful. Lists of links and detailed information deconstructing Russiagate, among many other subjects.

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@Centaurea

The WayoftheBern reddit group has a great deal of information posted in their sidebar

It's an excellent resource for the authentic Left, with very thoughtful and interesting writing.

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@Pluto's Republic
I can't.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

It's much larger than the Mueller investigation. With $60 million dollars, a couple of FISA warrants, and 30 full time attorneys, I could possibly see it all the way through. But this is as far as it goes on my budget. Plus, I'm out of RAM.

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@Pluto's Republic

I've thought all along that if Mueller does charge Trump that he would have just made things up to do it. This proves it in my opinion.

Mueller links Trump and campaign to 11 instances of potential obstruction

“We now know that the Russian operatives who perpetrated these schemes did not have the cooperation of President Trump or the Trump campaign, or the knowing assistance of any other American,” Barr said.

Mueller’s report said that contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives spanned business connections relating to the plans for a Trump property development in Moscow, along with invitations for campaign officials, including Trump, to meet Russian officials, including the president, Vladimir Putin.

However, the special counsel did not establish that there was an overarching conspiracy between Trump’s team and the Russian government, and found insufficient grounds to bring charges for incidents including the notorious Trump Tower meeting of June 2016....
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Mueller confirmed that he had considered charging Donald Trump Jr and Jared Kushner, his brother-in-law, for their involvement in the Trump Tower meeting, but ultimately declined.

Mueller said that by meeting Russians to receive information valuable to the campaign, Trump Jr and Kushner could have fallen foul of campaign finance laws, which bar contributions by foreigners.

But among other factors, Mueller explained, he would have faced a high burden to prove that Trump Jr had a “culpable mental state”. He said prosecutors could not be confident that they would secure convictions, which justice department rules require.

Cohen took it on himself to contact some one in Russia from what I've read and all he did was to send some guy an email about the possibility of doing that. He said that he never heard back from him. So where is the connection to Putin here?

Was Mueller aware of all the things that happened in order for the Trump tower meeting to happen? The passport issue that was fixed by Obama's state department? The dinner meeting she had with the guy from Fusion GPS after the meeting was nixed? Wasn't it to get opposition research dirt on Hillary's campaign and then she swung it around to talk about the Maginsky act? Did he know that the FBI had been trying to fix people up with their operatives in order to entrap them?

More:

He also confirmed reports that Carter Page, a Trump campaign adviser until September 2016, was “acquainted with at least two Russian intelligence officers”. Page was placed under surveillance by US intelligence after he left the campaign.

Did Mueller know that Page had previously been an FBI informant? How about Misfud telling Papadopoulus that Russia had Hillary's emails and that the meeting he then went to with the Dutch ambassador had been setup by the FBI?

How about all the unmasking that Susan Rice did that was unconstitutional? Bruce and Nellie Ohr? The bogus Steele dossier that he basically made up with help from Hillary's BFF Sydney Bluementhal? The many, many other players in this farce? Or that it was originally the British intelligence agency that spied on Trump's campaign? And the many other things that we have discussed here for over two years that proved that this was a total setup by Hillary and Obama to use over Trump in case he didn't accept the results of the election? "Oh you won't accept the fact that you lost? Here's lots of interesting information we can use against you if you don't."

Just how much information did Robert the Swan Mueller have during his investigation? Hmm?

Dear Democrats: Mueller Just Handed You a Road Map for Impeachment. Follow It.

Dear gawd, please make this stop!

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@snoopydawg

Trump, in Mueller’s view, may not have committed an “underlying crime” in relation to Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election — but this is frankly irrelevant to the case for impeachment. Listen to one of the 13 managers sent from your august body to prosecute the case against President Bill Clinton in the Senate in 1999. “You don’t even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job [as president] in this constitutional republic if this body determines your conduct as a public official is clearly out of bounds in your role,” said then Republican representative — and now senator — Lindsay Graham. The process of impeachment, he argued, “is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”

I get what he's saying here, but Clinton did commit a crime. He perjured himself during the WH sex investigation right? I'm sure lots of people are telling the democrats to go ahead and bring charges against him anyway. We will see Barr release the unredacted report into Hillary's private email server and possibly how Trump had been setup by the Obama administration. Bet Nancy won't take the chance of this info coming out.

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@snoopydawg

... in a state of poor mental hygiene. I can see why you were dismayed. But I was rather pleased to see the comments pushing back with such vigor. Someone posted this one:

VIPS Fault Mueller Probe, Criticize Refusal to Interview Assange

MEMORANDUM

FOR: The President
FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
SUBJECT: The Fly in the Mueller Ointment

April 16, 2019

Mr. President:

"If, as we strongly suspect, Mueller is relying for forensics solely on CrowdStrike, the discredited firm hired by the DNC in the spring of 2016, he is acting more in the mold of Inspector Clouseau than the crackerjack investigator he is reputed to be. It simply does not suffice for Mueller’s former colleague James Comey to tell Congress that CrowdStrike is a “high-class entity.” It is nothing of the sort and, in addition to its documented incompetence, it is riddled with conflicts of interest. Comey needs to explain why he kept the FBI away from the DNC computers after they were said to have been “hacked.” And former National Intelligence Director James Clapper needs to explain his claim last November that “the forensic evidence was overwhelming about what the Russians had done.” What forensic evidence? From CrowdStrike? We at VIPS, in contrast, are finding more and more forensic evidence that the DNC emails were leaked, not hacked by the Russians or anyone else — and that “Guccifer 2.0” is an out-and-out fraud. Yes, we can prove that from forensics too."

Political Enemies & Mainstream Media (Forgive the Redundancy)

You may be unaware that in March 2017 lawyers for Assange and the Justice Department (acting on behalf of the CIA) reportedly were very close to an agreement under which Assange would agree to discuss “technical evidence ruling out certain parties” in the leak of the DNC emails” and agree to redact some classified CIA information, in exchange for limited immunity. According to the investigative reporter John Solomon of The Hill, Sen. Mark Warner, D,VA, Vice Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, learned of the incipient deal and told then-FBI Director Comey, who ordered an abrupt “stand down” and an end to the discussions with Assange.

But you are the president. And there may be no better time than now to face them down, show the spurious nature of the concocted “evidence” attempting to put you in “Putin’s pocket,” and — not least — lift the cloud that has prevented you from pursuing a more decent relationship with Russia."

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For the Steering Group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center (ret.)

Bogdan Dzakovic, former Team Leader of Federal Air Marshals and Red Team, FAA Security (ret.) (associate VIPS)

Philip Giraldi, CIA, Operations Officer (ret.)

Mike Gravel, former Adjutant, top secret control officer, Communications Intelligence Service; special agent of the Counter Intelligence Corps and former United States Senator

James George Jatras, former U.S. diplomat and former foreign policy adviser to Senate leadership (Associate VIPS)

Larry Johnson, former CIA Intelligence Officer & former State Department Counter-Terrorism Official, (ret.)

Michael S. Kearns, Captain, USAF (ret.); ex-Master SERE Instructor for Strategic Reconnaissance Operations (NSA/DIA) and Special Mission Units (JSOC)

John Kiriakou, former CIA Counterterrorism Officer and former Senior Investigator, Senate Foreign Relations Committee

Karen Kwiatkowski, former Lt. Col., US Air Force (ret.), at Office of Secretary of Defense watching the manufacture of lies on Iraq, 2001-2003

Clement J. Laniewski, LTC, U.S. Army (ret.)
Linda Lewis, WMD preparedness policy analyst, USDA (ret.)
Edward Loomis, NSA Cryptologic Computer Scientist (ret.)

David MacMichael, former Senior Estimates Officer, National Intelligence Council (ret.)

Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA presidential briefer (ret.)

Elizabeth Murray, former Deputy National Intelligence Officer for the Near East & CIA political analyst (ret.)

Todd E. Pierce, MAJ, US Army Judge Advocate (ret.)

Peter Van Buren,U.S. Department of State, Foreign Service Officer (ret.) (associate VIPS)

Robert Wing, U.S. Department of State, Foreign Service Officer (former) (associate VIPS)

Ann Wright, U.S. Army Reserve Colonel (ret) and former U.S. Diplomat who resigned in 2003 in opposition to the Iraq War

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For the Steering Group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

William Binney, former Technical Director, World Geopolitical & Military Analysis, NSA; co-founder, SIGINT Automation Research Center
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Mike Gravel, former Adjutant, top secret control officer, Communications Intelligence Service; special agent of the Counter Intelligence Corps and former United States Senator

I hadn't realized that Mike Gravel was part of the VIPS group.

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...will define what kind of people they are and determine if they are fit to be the President of the United States.

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twitter accounts they might signal something else, and although chuck schumer never offered up a senate version of this poisonous, but illustrative HB1, bruce dixon covers it quite well in his jan. 2019House Democrats’ HR 1 – Faking the Funk on Voting Rights, Spreading Fear and Gunning For the Greens in 2020

“There are only 2 pieces of HR 1 which are NOT empty 2020 campaign promises, and which have a reasonable change of becoming law. Really, really BAD law.

1.HR 1 Requires that the “intelligence community” produce a yearly report on threats to the US electoral system.

HR 1 directly cites the odious McCarthyite accusations of Prop or Not from two years ago as “congressional findings.” These baseless lies assert that left opposition ion the part of the American people to the two capitalist parties is motivated and manipulated by hostile foreign powers operating in social media, grassroots organizations and other places, and that these are imminent threats to national security, specifically the security of the US electoral process. Black Agenda Report is specifically named, the only black owned and operated entity thus fingered.

HR 1 requires the FBI, CIA, the Pentagon, DEA, NSA, Homeland Security and the rest of the so-called “intelligence community” – the same people who told us Saddam Hussein had nukes, that the government has never and will never intercept or record your email and online habits, and now says that “black identity extremists” are out to get us – HR 1 requires those professional perjurers, liars and deceivers to produce a yearly report on their manufactured threats to US electoral systems, specifically including the threats to national security by those who express dissident opinions. This part of HR 1 institutionalizes the notion that the left is an existential and foreign-sponsored threat to the security of the electoral process, and creates bodies to police social media. If they really tried, corporate Democrats in the House and Senate really stand a fair chance at getting the modest number of Republican sign-ons to make this a bipartisan thing, and pass it to President Trump to sign."

and yep, i'd checked the text of the long, long bill as well as The final roll call vote March 8, 2019: (D: 234 yeas, O nays, NV 1 [Rep. Clay]); (R: 193 nays, 0 yeas, NV 4)

brilliant of them; they can campaign on that for 2020, too. i have an idea! let's call it democracy for some™!

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@wendy davis
intel report by whether or not it identifies these, in order, as the top three threats:
A. Electronic voting.
B. Voter ID and similar legislation that suppresses voting in certain communities
C. Executive action that suppresses voting (e.g., secretaries of state making voting inaccessible to certain communities).

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@UntimelyRippd

and report back; i have no idea of the order. it's somewhere in this earlier diary i'd posted: the epic barriers to Third Party candidates

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do the bingling thru the yellow pages...♫

'2020 Democratic Candidates Target Barr Over Mueller Report'
new yawk times, today

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@wendy davis

They are too repulsed and have too much personal dignity.

But Barr's no angel. He's working the Hoax, too.

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Great summary! I imagine the Dems are going to launch endless "investigations" that will go nowhere so Rachel and the rest of the chattering class can continue bloviating. And meanwhile, Rome burns .....

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@moneysmith

The democrats are asking Mueller to come to congress and talk to them about his report, but I'm betting that he's now on vacation after working so hard the last two years burbling up this fantasy. This is like Fitzmas all over again. He can't say that Trump colluded with Vlad, but he can't say that he didn't. But what that does is leave the possibility of congress finding something if they do enough investigating. Just look at the front page of ToP to see how this is being framed. Oh and whilst you're there don't forget to sign a petition asking democrats to subpoena Mueller.

This is going to go on for two more years and people are still
left with the idea that Russia interfered with the election. Psst..they didn't.

Good to see you again.

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Indeed, those of us that have been on this site for a few years, now, DO ALREADY KNOW all of the items you outlined. Indeed - we KNEW!!! Links are not necessary - any curious person can go though the c99p essays and find all the evidence. Any curious person can read Chris Hedges, Glenn Greenwald, Aaron Mate, the Real News Network, and especially, Jimmy Dore. Have at it! Beautifully done!
Pleasantry

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@Raggedy Ann

I'd appreciate the key links.

I'm too lazy otherwise to look to prove an argument I'm not making, especially going through 3 and some years of archives. And while I like C99%, I don't consider it like Evangelicals look at the Bible.

But I have been reading left sources since this whole mess began in 2016 and I simply can't say I know all of what's been claimed in the essay.

How do you think the DNC emails made their way to Wikileaks?

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@Wally

i haven't got the time to provide links for all of pluto's major assertions, though i can tell you as a person that pays attention to a variety of news sources that there are sources that i have read for pretty much all of them.

but, if you are interested, here's an article that you could start with:

VIPS: Mueller’s Forensics-Free Findings

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@joe shikspack

I've been a big fan of Robert Parry from way back. Sad that he's left us.

VIPS claim that they "can prove that the conventional-wisdom story about Russian-hacking-DNC-emails-for-WikiLeaks is false" but have not been given the chance to provide congressional or other governmental testimony. But they also admit "We do not claim our conclusions are 'irrefutable and undeniable."

I do think they've gone a long way in debunking the narrative that's been crammed down our throats. But I'd also like to get some alternative idea of how those documents wound up in the hands of Wikileaks, other than the indictments of the Russian officials.

This is aside from whether or not I think Assange is a hero or if he's getting a raw deal (both of which I do).

Finally, I think the Russians would be idiots not to be puckstering around with their intelligence apparatus especially given all the shit that our intelligence community has thrown at them. In any event, any claims that they had more than a miniscule impact on the election, I find ludicrous.

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@Wally

I do think they've gone a long way in debunking the narrative that's been crammed down our throats.

which is the most important thing about their work. it is incumbent upon the accuser (the government/its prosecutors) to demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that their accusations are true. vips work impeaches their credibility.

they do not have to show how an action occurred, only that the government's contention is not up to a standard of reliability.

But I'd also like to get some alternative idea of how those documents wound up in the hands of Wikileaks, other than the indictments of the Russian officials.

sure, we'd all like to know that. there are people who know. if it is important to know, presumably the government will make a deal that is satisfactory to all parties and the knowledge will be imparted.

my guess is that the government does not care how the documents got into wikileaks hands. they had all of the resources that they needed to determine whether and how the documents were hacked. they declined to examine the servers and instead chose to rely upon the word of a government contractor (crowdstrike) whose reliability might reasonably be questioned.

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@Wally
emails got to Wikileaks? Only Assange and the folks at Wikileaks know that answer. Why do you think anyone here could possibly know that or are you being snarky?

As I said above, most of us here have been following this Faux-Russia collusion narrative since it's inception. You seem to be new here, so sorry for me dissing you wanting links to what Pluto wrote. To me, you are questioning what Pluto wrote, while most of us here UNDERSTAND what Pluto wrote because we've been reading articles all along.

If, as you say, you are too lazy to go look this stuff up, then why is it incumbent on the rest of us to provide you with what you are unwilling to do yourself?

At least joe tried and you dissed him. Not good form.

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-- Arundhati Roy

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@Raggedy Ann

If Joe feels like that, I'd like to hear it from him.

You state "Only Assange and the folks at Wikileaks know that answer."

Some folks here have suggested otherwise.

I accept your apology for dissing me. And I have been reading articles from leftist political analysts too. For a long time. Decades and decades.

Yes, I am questioning what Pluto and others wrote. I don't see how that amounts to bad form or is any way impolite.

I was joking about being lazy. But I do agree with Bob S. that it's helpful (although he's stated it more forcefully) to back up claims with some sourcing. It simply makes for a stronger argument. If I ask for some help, I can accept being told to fuck off but I'd still appreciate the help.

As I noted to my thank you to Pluto, I don't think this forum is as closed as some folks might think it is. I think there's a more diverse readership than the majority of comments made indicates. And we now know there is cross-fertilization with other groups such as Way of the Bern.

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@Wally

i do not feel dissed.

wally, since it appears that you are relatively new here, there have been countless discussions of these issues and articles posted over a period of time here. pluto's piece is part of a running discussion amongst a lot of folks on this site.

i agree that if this piece were to be considered as a stand-alone document, it would fail to meet the sort of standards of support that are common in internet argumentation. it's just that this is not that sort of piece.

which is not to say that the sort of piece that you're looking for is not a desirable thing or that you should be personally satisfied in your quest for knowledge by this. i encourage you to look into the details of the claims that pluto brings up if they interest you.

if you come up blank somewhere after a good faith effort to find something, feel free post an essay requesting information. this is a topic that a lot of people here have been focusing on for some time and i'm certain that somebody will be able to easily locate the information you're looking for.

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@Wally
here's a little pro tip for you: your shtick is really quite annoying to many here.

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@JtC

If you want me to stop questioning, or have specific suggestions how I might handle it better, I have no problem with either moving on or trying to make specific adjustments.

In any case, it'll be pretty hard for me to make adjustments based on individuals' specific personal needs.

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@Wally

you're too lazy to look through the site and find them yourself, but you want others to do that for you? Why? Here's an easy start. Look at the essays that Pluto and I have written. Then you can google the deal with Assange and Comey. Or DuckDuckGo would probably be better. This issue was talked about here recently but I don't remember whose essay it was in.

Consortium news has an essay about some of this stuff. You can try looking there.

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https://consortiumnews.com/2018/06/27/did-sen-warner-and-comey-collude-o...

Did Sen. Warner and Comey ‘Collude’ on Russia-gate?

June 27, 2018


The U.S. was in talks for a deal with Julian Assange but then FBI Director James Comey ordered an end to negotiations after Assange offered to prove Russia was not involved in the DNC leak, as Ray McGovern explains.

By Ray McGovern

An explosive report by investigative journalist John Solomon on the opinion page of Monday’s edition of The Hill sheds a bright light on how Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) and then-FBI Director James Comey collaborated to prevent WikiLeaks editor Julian Assange from discussing “technical evidence ruling out certain parties [read Russia]” in the controversial leak of Democratic Party emails to WikiLeaks during the 2016 election.

A deal that was being discussed last year between Assange and U.S. government officials would have given Assange “limited immunity” to allow him to leave the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, where he has been exiled for six years. In exchange, Assange would agree to limit through redactions “some classified CIA information he might release in the future,” according to Solomon, who cited “interviews and a trove of internal DOJ documents turned over to Senate investigators.” Solomon even provided a copy of the draft immunity deal with Assange.

But Comey’s intervention to stop the negotiations with Assange ultimately ruined the deal, Solomon says, quoting “multiple sources.” With the prospective agreement thrown into serious doubt, Assange “unleashed a series of leaks that U.S. officials say damaged their cyber warfare capabilities for a long time to come.” These were the Vault 7 releases, which led then CIA Director Mike Pompeo to call WikiLeaks “a hostile intelligence service.”

Solomon’s report provides reasons why Official Washington has now put so much pressure on Ecuador to keep Assange incommunicado in its embassy in London.

The report does not say what led Comey to intervene to ruin the talks with Assange. But it came after Assange had offered to “provide technical evidence and discussion regarding who did not engage in the DNC releases,” Solomon quotes WikiLeaks’ intermediary with the government as saying. It would be a safe assumption that Assange was offering to prove that Russia was not WikiLeaks’ source of the DNC emails.

If that was the reason Comey and Warner ruined the talks, as is likely, it would reveal a cynical decision to put U.S. intelligence agents and highly sophisticated cybertools at risk, rather than allow Assange to at least attempt to prove that Russia was not behind the DNC leak.

The greater risk to Warner and Comey apparently would have been if Assange provided evidence that Russia played no role in the 2016 leaks of DNC documents.

Missteps and Stand Down

In mid-February 2017, in a remarkable display of naiveté, Adam Waldman, Assange’s pro bono attorney who acted as the intermediary in the talks, asked Warner if the Senate Intelligence Committee staff would like any contact with Assange to ask about Russia or other issues. Waldman was apparently oblivious to Sen. Warner’s stoking of Russia-gate.

Warner contacted Comey and, invoking his name, instructed Waldman to “stand down and end the discussions with Assange,” Waldman told Solomon. The “stand down” instruction “did happen,” according to another of Solomon’s sources with good access to Warner. However, Waldman’s counterpart attorney David Laufman, an accomplished federal prosecutor picked by the Justice Departent to work the government side of the CIA-Assange fledgling deal, told Waldman, “That’s B.S. You’re not standing down, and neither am I.”

But the damage had been done. When word of the original stand-down order reached WikiLeaks, trust evaporated, putting an end to two months of what Waldman called “constructive, principled discussions that included the Department of Justice.”

The two sides had come within inches of sealing the deal. Writing to Laufman on March 28, 2017, Waldman gave him Assange’s offer to discuss “risk mitigation approaches relating to CIA documents in WikiLeaks’ possession or control, such as the redaction of Agency personnel in hostile jurisdictions,” in return for “an acceptable immunity and safe passage agreement.”

On March 31, 2017, though, WikiLeaks released the most damaging disclosure up to that point from what it called “Vault 7” — a treasure trove of CIA cybertools leaked from CIA files. This disclosure featured the tool “Marble Framework,” which enabled the CIA to hack into computers, disguise who hacked in, and falsely attribute the hack to someone else by leaving so-called tell-tale signs — like Cyrillic, for example. The CIA documents also showed that the “Marble” tool had been employed in 2016.

Misfeasance or Malfeasance

Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, which includes among our members two former Technical Directors of the National Security Agency, has repeatedly called attention to its conclusion that the DNC emails were leaked — not “hacked” by Russia or anyone else (and, later, our suspicion that someone may have been playing Marbles, so to speak).

In fact, VIPS and independent forensic investigators, have performed what former FBI Director Comey — at first inexplicably, now not so inexplicably — failed to do when the so-called “Russian hack” of the DNC was first reported. In July 2017 VIPS published its key findings with supporting data.

Two month later, VIPS published the results of follow-up experiments conducted to test the conclusions reached in July.

Why did then FBI Director Comey fail to insist on getting direct access to the DNC computers in order to follow best-practice forensics to discover who intruded into the DNC computers? (Recall, at the time Sen. John McCain and others were calling the “Russian hack” no less than an “act of war.”) A 7th grader can now figure that out.

Asked on January 10, 2017 by Senate Intelligence Committee chair Richard Burr (R-NC) whether direct access to the servers and devices would have helped the FBI in their investigation, Comey replied: “Our forensics folks would always prefer to get access to the original device or server that’s involved, so it’s the best evidence.”

At that point, Burr and Warner let Comey down easy. Hence, it should come as no surprise that, according to one of John Solomon’s sources, Sen. Warner (who is co-chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee) kept Sen. Burr apprised of his intervention into the negotiation with Assange, leading to its collapse.

They think they are going to get away with this and so many more conspiracy crimes related to the Russia Hoax.

If they do, it will be over Julian Assange's dead body.

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Of course they had to kill the deal because Russia Gate would have come off the tracks if Assange showed that Russia did not give them the emails. He could have also shown how it was Hillary's BFFs who said that people need to blame Russia for them so that people would focus on the fact that they rigged the primary against Bernie.

I haven't seen anyone in the MSM talking about this.

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@Wally
maybe slowing down a bit might help. Bobbing and weaving through comment threads like The Energizer Bunny will be construed by many authors and commentators as an attempt to control the narrative.

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@JtC

I thought that was the way to engage in serious conversations.

At any rate, I actually really, really appreciate your likening me to the energizer bunny.

I think I'm gonna mosey on but I wish everyone well and appreciate folks for engaging me.

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@Wally

Here's your answer to the Comey Wikileaks deal.

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@Wally Do whatcha wanna do.

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@Wally
You ask, again, how did the DNC emails get to Wikileaks. Plutes wrote this:

You already knew that those emails were copied to portable media from inside the headquarters of the DNC.

You already knew that the copied emails were given to a former Britich Ambassador, who carried them to London and passed them to Wikileaks.

I'm now going to correct the additional details I gave you upthread. I said that Craig Murray (the ambassador cited above) was the courier for the original DNC emails. I just went back to re-read what he has said and written on the matter, and in fact he claimed to be the courier for a later set of emails, presumably the Podesta files, which he claimed were handed to him by an intermediary for the person who originally copied them.
He has implied that the same person was the source for both leaks -- but the one meeting he specifically describes was in September 2016, well after the original DNC leaks were published. (If he has elsewhere suggested that he also collected the original DNC emails, I have not seen that ...)
He is not vague:

'Neither of [the leaks] came from the Russians,' Murray said. 'The source had legal access to the information. The documents came from inside leaks, not hacks.'

He said the leakers were motivated by 'disgust at the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and the tilting of the primary election playing field against Bernie Sanders.'

His September visit was well-documented, because he was initially denied a visa waiver (he was emceeing an award banquet), having pretty much made himself persona non grata as a vocal opponent of the US international torture protocol.
He hasn't, to my knowledge, commented on how the earlier DNC emails made their way from the leaker to Wikileaks, but he's pretty straightforward about the fact that both sets of emails came from the same source (or sources, two or more people acting in concert).
At the time of Rich's murder, he made clear his own assumption that Rich was assassinated. I'm sure that if I were Craig Murray, and knew what he knows, that would be my assumption. As an outsider, I'd like to see something more rigorous than just pointing out the absurdities in the official story. Maybe it really was just a robbery gone wrong. The question is, though, why would Murray have any reason to think it was a political assassination unless he knew that Rich had leaked the files?

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@Wally
To be absolutely precise, Murray never directly asserts what it was that he brought back in September 2016 -- only that he met with an associate of the leaker, received a package, and carried back to the UK.
He further asserts that he has met, face to face, the actual leaker.

Thus, he is claiming direct first-person knowledge of the people involved, as well as participation in moving something from them to Wikileaks.

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@Wally @Wally
I find on Murray's take.
an article from counterpunch, quoting an article from consortiumnews.com, quoting a podcast interview of Murray by Scott Horton:

“The Podesta emails and the DNC emails are, of course, two separate things and we shouldn’t conclude that they both have the same source,” Murray said. “In both cases we’re talking of a leak, not a hack, in that the person who was responsible for getting that information out had legal access to that information…

Scott Horton then asked, “Is it fair to say that you’re saying that the Podesta leak came from inside the intelligence services, NSA [the electronic spying National Security Agency] or another agency?”

“I think what I said was certainly compatible with that kind of interpretation, yeah,” Murray responded. “In both cases they are leaks by Americans.”

EDIT TO ADD:
The consortium news quotes of the Scott Horton article say Murray explicitly doubts that whatever he brought back to the UK included any of the published leaks:

Murray has disputed a report in London’s Daily Mail that he was receiving a batch of the leaked Democratic emails. “The material, I think, was already safely with WikiLeaks before I got there in September,” Murray said in the interview with Scott Horton. “I had a small role to play.”

This would be a lot easier if so many people hadn't published conflicting accounts of whatever it is that Murray has said.

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a collection of simple statements. Yep, we all knew it.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

partisan clowns slap the label "radical left" on the center-right neoliberal clowns of the democratic party.

most of the radical left, Democrat or otherwise, has been expressing contempt for the Russiagate narrative pretty much from day 1 -- and not because any/many of us have anything resembling love for Donald Trump.

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AGCC is happening.
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@UntimelyRippd Calling the mainstream Dems the radical left gives the Republicans an enemy to rally around and gives those same Democrats an excuse to punch left and move right. I remember a recent attack ad against Pelosi and all I could think was how can I vote for the candidate they’re describing because that sure isn’t the one we got.

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...by stealing the words we use to describe ourselves. When we run out of words, we'll cease to exist.

First the came for liberal.
Then they took progressive to define happy incrementalists.
They took Left to describe unhappy nonconformists.
And they ran off with Far Left to describe Democratic Leaders.

They gave middle class to the poor,
And working class to the chronically unemployed.
They gave job creators to the automators and outsourcers.
The innovators are now the government contractors and monopolies.

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@Pluto's Republic

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He was a willing pawn in the Clintons' bid for the throne so he deserves tar and feathering as much as the rest of the capitalist pigs and their sycophantic brown-nosing 'representatives'.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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to see what Dems will do, now that the Mueller Report has been released.

I believe that Pelosi will lose this fight, and that the Party will go down the rabbit hole of impeachment. If they do, my 'guess' is that the Dem Party will implode before the 2020 election. Which, frankly, gives me no heartburn, since, maybe a true lefty/radical Party would emerge from the ashes!

Biggrin

Seriously, watching with bated breath to see if there will be an "investigation, of the investigators."

IMO, Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, Comey--all of the intelligence 'heads'--are dirty, and, were likely complicit in launching the attempted soft coup.

Time to bring out the popcorn, I say! Smile

Have a good one, All!

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I’d say the odds of DJT falling victim to some kinetic event (courtesy the usual “lone gunman with a history of mental problems”) just went up.

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@lotlizard

Although I'd prefer Mr. Mustard in the Library with a Candlestick, if it comes to that.

And even so, it may be too late. The only thing protecting them is the media accessories to the crime.

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It's more than obvious that Barr whitewashed the Mueller report and he is covering up for Trump. Oh I wish that I was kidding, but here's a few tidbits from the insane asylum:

Now, just more than two months later, the Mueller investigation has been shut down, and Robert Mueller himself is nowhere to be seen

Attorney General William Barr lied to the American people about Robert Mueller's reasoning for not making a criminal finding of obstruction of justice against Donald Trump

However, Mueller also concluded he couldn't clear Trump of obstructing justice based on the evidence they uncovered.

"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state," Mueller wrote. "Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment."

EH? He either obstructed justice or he did not. If you can't say that he did then I would think that means he did not. Isn't this an either or question? I am either guilty or not guilty. Seems like we are having shades of Fitzmas here. Too much sand kicked on home plate to see what happened.

In case people have forgotten, after Starr released his pornographic report on Clinton a law was passed that made it impossible for the full report on presidents to be released to the public. Barr with Mueller's help has been redacting what they had to. Oh NOES!!! Cosnpiracy!!

You'd think a member of congress would know that.

There is so much more of this type of nonsense that I could go on all week filling this box, but the sun is finally out and the dawgs want to walk finally this week and I need to mow the lawn.
But sadly this saga is a long way from over. And as long as so many people believe that Russia put Trump's buttocks in office this distraction is going to continue. Pluto you did a great job showing how this was totally made up from the gitgo as well as everyone here that have written numerous essays debunking every single point of this as new info came out.

Tah

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@snoopydawg @snoopydawg

this,

But sadly this saga is a long way from over. And as long as so many people believe that Russia put Trump's buttocks in office this distraction is going to continue.

I think it may be a good thing. If Dems actually bring impeachment charges, I believe it will be viewed as overreach, and 'sour grapes' by the majority of the populace, and, just maybe a true radical lefty Party will rise out of the ash heap, in place of the corporatist Dem Party.

Biggrin

At any rate, I figure that Graham will be pressured by the RINOs to not investigate the Deep State actors--the Intel Community/FSC/BO/DNC, etc.--who are most responsible for instigating this fiasco. IOW, I'm 'guessing' that the purple state Repubs will tell him and Gowdy to 'move on.'

Time will tell.

[Edited: Deleted redundant phrase - "it might be a good thing".]

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@Unabashed Liberal

...it's up to the DOJ to launch an investigation into the perpetrators of the Russia Hoax.

It doesn't matter if Congress decides not to do so. Members of Congress have nothing to gain from an investigation like this. Many of them will come out of it looking like fools or collaborators. It's not really a partisan issue. This unprecedented attack was on the nation and the will of the People.

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@Pluto's Republic

that he'll review info about some of the FBI methods surrounding surveillance of DT, etc.

However, Lindsey Graham declared a couple weeks ago that he would also lead an investigation into the methods that the Intel Community employed initially, when the entire idea of conducting surveillance of the Trump campaign, first arose.

I think it's within his purview as the Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He's also going to look into the validity of having had a FISA warrant issued based upon the so-called Steele Dossier.

Frankly, I don't mind if he (Graham) does. He, and other Repubs have made accusations for quite some time, that the FISA warrants weren't issued based on factual evidence (or, that the presiding Judge didn't know that some of the evidence was paid for by the Clinton campaign)--so, they should have to "put up, or, shut up." (IMO)

Hey, good to see you.

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