This rhetoric is getting out of hand

cells.PNG

What in the Hell is a "terrorist nation"?
If it's a place where some terrorists have come from, then the United States is a terrorist nation.
And how in the f*ck does illegal immigration = sleeper cell?

This sort of hyperbolic rhetoric is designed to get people so scared that people get killed.

TERROR USA.jpg

What exactly is this map showing?
If there are actual terrorists in this country then they would be getting arrested. Or are they saying that the right-wing press has scooped the FBI?
Or more likely, this is intentionally designed to get people killed.

chaos.PNG

WHAT CHAOS?!?
Has anyone bothered to check the numbers other than me?

chaos2.PNG

Does this look like an invasion to you?
Yet even Democrats are starting to use the term "chaos".
This will all end in bloodshed if people don't stop with the alarmist rhetoric.

Share
up
33 users have voted.

Comments

gulfgal98's picture

What the hell is a terrorist nation? The answer is very clearly summed up by two words...United States.

What other nation goes around invading other sovereign nations and destroying them? What other nation is bombing people in seven or is it eight nations now? What other nation is calling for the overthrow of duly elected leaders in other nations?

The answer still comes down to two words...United States.

up
26 users have voted.

"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~Dr. Cornel West

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F Kennedy

WoodsDweller's picture

either internal or external, preferably both. You need a huge security apparatus to counter the enemy. Your rights become aspirational -- once the final solution is visited upon the enemy we can afford the luxury of your rights again. Unless a new enemy has arisen, then you'll just have to do without.
Bloodshed isn't a bug, it's a feature.

up
28 users have voted.

"I cannot ignore reality, but I can embrace beauty." -- magiamma

boriscleto's picture

up
4 users have voted.

" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "

@lotlizard
part of the top executives does not invalidate the work of the people they were exploiting. to some extent, it constitutes an ad hominem argument.

up
5 users have voted.

The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

lotlizard's picture

@UntimelyRippd @UntimelyRippd  
Certain segments of the right wing might have motives for trying to discredit the SPLC, but the New Yorker can hardly be accused of being part of that spectrum.

The SPLC is a politicized institution and information source which, like all human political institutions and sources, is fallible and warrants closer examination. What’s ironic about viewing such scrutiny as ad hominem is that the SPLC is itself probably the leading supplier of ad hominem, “so-and-so / such-and-such is …-ist” arguments against right-wingers and other targeted dissidents.

up
3 users have voted.

@lotlizard
or what they claim to believe, do not constitute ad hominem. ad hominem is the epistemological error of attacking an argument by attacking its proponent.

and it is another sort of epistemological error to confuse the SPLC, or any other institution, with any particular individual or individuals who happen to exercise authority there.

up
2 users have voted.

The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

lotlizard's picture

@UntimelyRippd

up
2 users have voted.

@lotlizard
true, it says not One. Single. Thing. about the validity of the SLPC's work regarding hate organizations.

up
0 users have voted.

The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

lotlizard's picture

@UntimelyRippd  
That’s perhaps the heart of this disagreement.

I no longer think that “hate,” as the SPLC uses the word, is a useful and productive concept.

“Hate” as in “hate organization” is the epitome of a subjective, emotion-laden label ideally suited for ad hominem argument. You might as well say “scum” and “scum organization.”

Isn’t it now actual practice that once someone or something is called a “hate organization,” they are treated as having no right to be heard (deplatforming) or even exist?

In too many cases, “hate” is now just a label one applies to people who advocate certain ideas one disapproves of, or who aren’t on board with certain ideological dogmas and say so publicly.

up
2 users have voted.

to equating socialism=terrorism. Kind of like those connect the dots puzzles, just for fascists.

up
15 users have voted.
Lookout's picture

Who is the greatest terrorist of all? Why it is us as in US.

I found it so ironic to hear "Pompous" declare the Iranian guard as a terrorist organization, when it is Saudi, Israel, and the US spreading violence, disaster, and misery. Those three are terrorist nations.

Look at who the world sees as being the greatest threat to peace...
threat-world-peace_0.jpg

up
19 users have voted.

“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Terrorism is random violence against non-combatants designed to cow them.

Not that that justifies US military aggression in the Middle East. The IRA were terrorists. The 9-11 hijackers were terrorists. Quite distinct from military operations.
Way back in the Revolution, the Sons of Liberty were terrorists.

Just pushing back on sloppy terminology. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard are not terrorists (or no longer terrorists). They are more like the Nazi SS.

I'm sure the CIA et al support actual terrorists, but the US Army and Air Force are not terrorists. Unless "terrorist" is now just a random swear word.

up
5 users have voted.
gulfgal98's picture

@The Voice In the Wilderness According to Wikipedia,

Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people; or fear to achieve a religious or political aim.[1] It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence during peacetime or in war against non-combatants (mostly civilians and neutral military personnel).

It has been reported that nearly 90% of all those killed in drone strikes were not the intended victims. If you or I could not walk outside our home without the fear of being struck or killed by a drone attack, I would call that terrorism.

If you live in a country in which another country is trying to overthrow your government in an undeclared war by using bombs, arming jihadist groups, or other means such as embargoes which resulted in between one half to one million civilian deaths I would call that terrorism.

If you live in a country in which your government was overthrown by an outside country and your country went from the highest standard of living in the middle east to having open slave markets in the streets, I would call that terrorism.

All three of the above examples are exactly what happened after the United States decided to meddle in and overthrow the governments of sovereign nations. And for the people living in these countries, it is a form of terrorism because they live their daily lives in fear of what will happen next due to the outside influence of the United States.

up
18 users have voted.

"I don't want to run the empire, I want to bring it down!" ~Dr. Cornel West

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F Kennedy

@gulfgal98
Definitions of terrorism vary, but drone bombing of civilians in countries with whose governments we are not at war, officially or otherwise, does not meet any definition of war that I know.

It seems pretty clear to me that our military is, in fact, a terrorist organization -- extra-judicially attacking non-military targets for reasons that are often obscure to both the victims and our own citizens.

up
8 users have voted.

The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Cassiodorus's picture

up
8 users have voted.

"The degree to which liberals are coming to inhabit an alternate reality, impenetrable by facts or reason, is actually frightening." -- Steve Maher

EdMass's picture

If there are actual terrorists in this country then they would be getting arrested.

How about Crips, Bloods, MS13, Multiple warring gangs in major cities (see Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, LA, NYC (Long Island for cripes sake) et al.) How about Nipsey Hussle (sorry he was murdered in a gang war - hey they arrested 1 guy so I've heard - another gd lone wolf...) ?

People are being killed - by gangs of people of all races and colors, many with ties to foreign countries due to the drug trade - every day and every weekend in those cities and elsewhere that the MEDIA - both right and left - systematically ignore.

So, they are not being arrested en masse, so they're not really there?

Making convenient distinctions as to whom or what a "terrorist" or "terrorist cell" may be?

up
4 users have voted.

Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!

Firesign Theater

Stop the War!

@EdMass

Democrats,Republicans, conservatives, liberals, FBI, CIA, SCOTUS, Council of Foreign Relations, World Bank, GE - they're killing millions.

up
10 users have voted.

"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Lookout's picture

@EdMass

I grew up in the time when police were like Andy and Barney...now they are like thugs out to get and arrest people to feed the for profit prison system. Seems like terrorism of citizens to me.

up
10 users have voted.

“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@EdMass
violent criminals as a general class, and terrorists as a specific class within the general class.

Otherwise you end up with nonsense like the provisions of the patriot act, which more or less define as terrorism any politically motivated interference with business-as-usual.
.

up
8 users have voted.

The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

Azazello's picture

Maybe they mean Saudi students at the UofA.

up
8 users have voted.

Do facts no longer matter?
It sounds like the "let's make shit up about Venezuela" stuff.

up
5 users have voted.