@detroitmechworks

Margaret POA is still there to correct you. (what does POA stand for anyway? I won't go there)

Then when they changed the rules so you couldn't see who was flagging you, suddenly Raptavio and his brethren were no longer influential. They all have a sad.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

1. Obsessed with people following the rules of the game on their server. Of course, those rules are UNIQUE to their server and if you don't know them, you need to be CONSTANTLY reminded of them until you fall in line or quit.

2. Screaming insults at anybody who is better than they are at the game when they can't resort to rules violations.

3. Treating any retaliatory insults as violation of the rules.

4. Complaining that nobody takes them seriously.

5. When they are taken seriously, it's just proof that they're right.

6. Obsessed with game metrics. Complete with a daily High Score list for comments.

7. Gang warfare. (Games refer to this as "Clans". TOP refers to this as "Community Standards")

8. Appeal to rumor and innuendo when discussing upcoming events. (For TOP, it's the "Unnamed MSM Source". For gamers, it's "My pal on 4chan who linked a leak")

9. Complete failure to pay attention to the Real World which is to be viewed only through their filter of choice.

10. Lying about achievements.

And Random Song I'm feeling this morning...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-XB1DDiu5c]

@detroitmechworks

TOP 10 behaviors that TOP and Teen Gamers share

Or, in other words, Calvinball.

1. Obsessed with people following the rules of the game on their server. Of course, those rules are UNIQUE to their server and if you don't know them, you need to be CONSTANTLY reminded of them until you fall in line or quit.

2. Screaming insults at anybody who is better than they are at the game when they can't resort to rules violations.

3. Treating any retaliatory insults as violation of the rules.

4. Complaining that nobody takes them seriously.

5. When they are taken seriously, it's just proof that they're right.

6. Obsessed with game metrics. Complete with a daily High Score list for comments.

7. Gang warfare. (Games refer to this as "Clans". TOP refers to this as "Community Standards")

8. Appeal to rumor and innuendo when discussing upcoming events. (For TOP, it's the "Unnamed MSM Source". For gamers, it's "My pal on 4chan who linked a leak")

9. Complete failure to pay attention to the Real World which is to be viewed only through their filter of choice.

10. Lying about achievements.

And Random Song I'm feeling this morning...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-XB1DDiu5c]

@Wally I'm perfectly happy to keep my mockery to the surface that he wants to portray, since that's working so well for him.

He wants to be stupid, AGAIN and show how much money he can toss around on love letters to the Establishment, I think it speaks for itself. He's a grifter/kept man who found his sugar momma and ain't gonna leave until whoever is paying him finds it more profitable to destroy him.

But that's just my opinion, my totally personally biased opinion which in no way constitutes something he could potentially sue me for, because nothing would make him happier than using pieces of those smashed gates to whack at Hippy heads.

I asked this the other day and received a few responses for which I'm thankful but still no links to articles online.

I'd appreciate it if folks could provide a few links to some good scathing exposes of Markos and DKos and any of his other business or whatever ventures..

How much is the guy worth in terms of $$$ these days?

How'd he get the money to get started?

How else is he making moola besides DKos?

I'm too lazy to write an article myself, but if anybody else is so inclined, that would be great!

Thanks.

@Wally

I can't answer the specific question on any exposés; I don't believe there's anything to expose. Markos found the Yellow Brick Road to personal wealth and influence, principles be damned, and he followed it. I look at this way - he made his money legally and plainly by figuring out where his bread is best buttered. I can't hate him for that specifically. I do look at where he spends his time, what and who he is promoting, and what he's saying, to draw conclusions about his sources of wealth. If there was a DCCC playbook chapter on talking points, he'd be following it to the letter. The guy who created an online space for fierce and open opposition to the status quo is gone.

I asked this the other day and received a few responses for which I'm thankful but still no links to articles online.

I'd appreciate it if folks could provide a few links to some good scathing exposes of Markos and DKos and any of his other business or whatever ventures..

How much is the guy worth in terms of $$$ these days?

How'd he get the money to get started?

How else is he making moola besides DKos?

I'm too lazy to write an article myself, but if anybody else is so inclined, that would be great!

Thanks.

@Wally

Take this with about 90 trillion grains of salt. I haven't vetted it at all it was just sitting there in my bookmarks for a few years.

http://truth-about-kos.blogspot.com/2007/08/indictment-of-markos-ca-moul...

I asked this the other day and received a few responses for which I'm thankful but still no links to articles online.

I'd appreciate it if folks could provide a few links to some good scathing exposes of Markos and DKos and any of his other business or whatever ventures..

How much is the guy worth in terms of $$$ these days?

How'd he get the money to get started?

How else is he making moola besides DKos?

I'm too lazy to write an article myself, but if anybody else is so inclined, that would be great!

Thanks.

@gulfgal98

Julian Assange = bad because Reasons is the gist of those comments.

And I thought your comment was great.

being ousted from the Ecuadoran embassy and being turned over to the US government, their hatred prevents them from seeing the real issue as the little CIA dude guides them into the ever smaller and smaller corral.

Here is what I posted and the comments in response. They simply are so wedded to their tribalism and hatred that they are blinded. I keep wondering what ever happened to critical thinking skills? Apparently it does not exist over there. The first quote is my post.

I see a lot of tribalism in these comments which frightens me.

The distressing issue here is by cheering for the arrest and criminalization of a person who published information that was inconvenient, embarrassing, or showed criminal behavior by the government and others, you are also saying that you are okay with criminalizing any other publisher, writer, or website that does something similar. Arresting a publisher of information, regardless of how it came into his hands is unprecedented in the country and is a very dangerous precedent toward the complete shut down of what little is left of freedom of speech in this country.

This is a very ugly, slippery slope that our government is treading on. I am absolutely shocked that so many people on what was supposed to be a liberal website are cheering the criminalization of the publishing of information, regardless of how it was obtained. This is no different than when the New York Times printed the Pentagon papers and yet their publisher and journalists were not arrested. Freedom of information should be a paramount importance to every American. Any one of us could be the next.
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My criticism of JA is directed only at him, period…
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Keenan gulfgal98
April 05 · 10:23:26 PM

No, you are misrepresenting what people are saying. Try again.

Furthermore, JA is neither a journalist nor a whistleblower.

Additionally, There are many entities that publish stuff besides journalists or media organizations. Just because an entity publishes shit, does not defacto make them legitimate protected members of a free press. Corporations and Intelligence agencies publish shit, often through cut-outs and front organizations.
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April 05 · 10:25:56 PM

“This is no different than when the New York Times printed the Pentagon papers and yet their publisher and journalists were not arrested.”

Actually it is completely different than JA’s actions and his agenda. You are comparing apples and oranges.

Getting into it with them serves no purpose. Inside a closed mind is a dead brain. They are brain dead over there.

@gulfgal98 is streaming right now (it started yesterday evening), great guests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kswQ0_cqjo

being ousted from the Ecuadoran embassy and being turned over to the US government, their hatred prevents them from seeing the real issue as the little CIA dude guides them into the ever smaller and smaller corral.

Here is what I posted and the comments in response. They simply are so wedded to their tribalism and hatred that they are blinded. I keep wondering what ever happened to critical thinking skills? Apparently it does not exist over there. The first quote is my post.

I see a lot of tribalism in these comments which frightens me.

The distressing issue here is by cheering for the arrest and criminalization of a person who published information that was inconvenient, embarrassing, or showed criminal behavior by the government and others, you are also saying that you are okay with criminalizing any other publisher, writer, or website that does something similar. Arresting a publisher of information, regardless of how it came into his hands is unprecedented in the country and is a very dangerous precedent toward the complete shut down of what little is left of freedom of speech in this country.

This is a very ugly, slippery slope that our government is treading on. I am absolutely shocked that so many people on what was supposed to be a liberal website are cheering the criminalization of the publishing of information, regardless of how it was obtained. This is no different than when the New York Times printed the Pentagon papers and yet their publisher and journalists were not arrested. Freedom of information should be a paramount importance to every American. Any one of us could be the next.
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JohnnyCNote gulfgal98
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My criticism of JA is directed only at him, period…
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Keenan gulfgal98
April 05 · 10:23:26 PM

No, you are misrepresenting what people are saying. Try again.

Furthermore, JA is neither a journalist nor a whistleblower.

Additionally, There are many entities that publish stuff besides journalists or media organizations. Just because an entity publishes shit, does not defacto make them legitimate protected members of a free press. Corporations and Intelligence agencies publish shit, often through cut-outs and front organizations.
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Keenan gulfgal98
April 05 · 10:25:56 PM

“This is no different than when the New York Times printed the Pentagon papers and yet their publisher and journalists were not arrested.”

Actually it is completely different than JA’s actions and his agenda. You are comparing apples and oranges.

Getting into it with them serves no purpose. Inside a closed mind is a dead brain. They are brain dead over there.

@bobswern

Thanks again to everybody who responded.

Bob, re. "his second, major cash cow in his business is the tithe he "semi-imposes" among all that are ignorant enough to donate to their favorite neoliberal political candidates through his online and offline political fundraising efforts."

And these are or might be what by name (if you know)?

I've largely limited my activism these days to throwing a few bucks to this or that candidate (ne'er anyone I consider a neoliberal) and/or cause - and I'd like to make sure I'm not throwing any of my money in his pocket.

...forget about moral principles; forget about the CIA bullshit, etc., etc. It's all business, all the time. When it comes to Moulitsas, always follow the money. His political philosophies are a mile wide and less than an inch deep. But, as many acknowledge, he is a very good businessman. That has ALWAYS been the line on him. And, when it comes to DKos, that's really all you need to know. Within weeks after either the 2008 or 2012 election (I forget which; I'd have to check to provide the actual date, and I have lots of offline commitments, today, so that's all I'm "confirming"), he was, more or less, bought out by the V.C. community--of most his principal stockholding positiions--of all of his major online properties (i.e.: SBNation, Vox, etc.), except for dear old Daily Kos and its affiliates.

Nowadays (after just about everyone's online advertising sales efforts crashed and burned--except for a handful of major players: Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc.), his income's all about his email lists, which he mostly markets through a network of professional vendors, with significant add'l sales of same occurring in-house (hence, you really cannot track his gross, closely-held corporate income, to the dollar; but he's left enough breadcrumbs in his commentary over the years to surmise to infer his gross corporate income is somewhere not too far north/south/in-between $10mm-$15mm per year, now). Above and beyond his direct response income stream, his second, major cash cow in his business is the tithe he "semi-imposes" among all that are ignorant enough to donate to their favorite neoliberal political candidates through his online and offline political fundraising efforts.

I really do enjoy reading Peter Douche's recent commentary. Especially, those .jpegs! LOL! Got a lot of laughs out of it! Thanks, Mark!

@bobswern

Do you think making money is incompatible with manipulating opinions online for the CIA? That seems highly unlikely.

Calling something bullshit because we have no proof of it is only rational if the initial hypothesis is extremely unlikely, or if an appropriate search for proof has come up empty. In this case, based on what we know of both Moulitsas and the CIA, the initial hypothesis is not extremely unlikely. It is, in fact, likely.

1)The COINTELPRO papers tell us that the CIA has had an active interest in manipulating public opinion through the media in the past.

2)Robert Parry uncovered information in the Reagan Presidential Library that indicated that the CIA began actively trying to shift the American public to the right in 1983, on behalf of the Reagan Administration. This was done in the open.

3)We know that operatives and their sockpuppets are endemic to the internet, both on behalf of private corporations and the government. This too is being done in the open, to the extent that "opinion management" and "perception management" are now industries, and buying subscriptions or likes for certain internet figures and properties is a known phenomenon. Another known phenomenon is a political candidate spending a million dollars placing operatives and their sockpuppets online to influence the American public in her interest. Their main methods for doing this have been a) influencing the direction of political conversations online, and b)suppressing dissent by attacking the characters of those who disagree--methods that will be familiar to anyone who has spent any time at Daily Kos.

4)About that candidate--the alliance between her political faction and the intelligence and security community is obvious and well-known; she has, in fact, been a major part of their Russiagate psy-op designed to start another Cold War.

5)That alliance extends generally to that candidate's political party. Enough members of the intelligence community have run as Democrats lately that the term "CIA Democrats" is now a thing.

6)Both the highest-ranking Democrats have said openly, independently of one another, that they don't dare oppose the CIA.

7)Markos Moulitsas' alliance with the Democratic party in general and the Clinton faction in particular is obvious and no one is denying it. Given the relationship between the CIA and the Democratic party, it's reasonably accurate to describe his website as a tool to produce support for the CIA's political face.

8)Markos Moulitsas spent formative years in the 1970s in El Salvador, after which he came to the United States. His response to those experiences was to join not only the United States military but the Republican party. Think about what El Salvador was like in the 1970s, to say nothing of the 80s, and reflect on what kind of political views you'd have to have in order to become a Republican after experiencing those events.

9)Moulitsas himself admits he was recruited to the CIA. We are supposed to take his word for the fact that he reconsidered and didn't become an operative. Why are we supposed to take this man, who rarely acts in good faith, in good faith? We don't believe anything else he says.

So the hypothesis is not comparable to the sighting of little green men in the New Mexican desert. In fact, the hypothesis that Markos Moulitsas is an operative is far likelier than the hypothesis that Americans live in a democracy.

As for appropriate searches for proof, a reasonable person would include in her analysis the fact that finding proof that a particular person is a CIA agent, or any other kind of undercover operative for the intelligence community, is extremely difficult--one of the most difficult terrestrial hypotheses to prove or disprove, since the entire security and intelligence industry is bent on misdirection. You are essentially trying to uncover the activities of the world's best professional liars and provide substantive proof of the identity of a spy.

It's fair to say that it's not proved that Moulitsas is a CIA op; it's neither fair nor rational to dismiss the possibility out of hand. Being dismissive is not an automatic gateway to accuracy.

...forget about moral principles; forget about the CIA bullshit, etc., etc. It's all business, all the time. When it comes to Moulitsas, always follow the money. His political philosophies are a mile wide and less than an inch deep. But, as many acknowledge, he is a very good businessman. That has ALWAYS been the line on him. And, when it comes to DKos, that's really all you need to know. Within weeks after either the 2008 or 2012 election (I forget which; I'd have to check to provide the actual date, and I have lots of offline commitments, today, so that's all I'm "confirming"), he was, more or less, bought out by the V.C. community--of most his principal stockholding positiions--of all of his major online properties (i.e.: SBNation, Vox, etc.), except for dear old Daily Kos and its affiliates.

Nowadays (after just about everyone's online advertising sales efforts crashed and burned--except for a handful of major players: Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc.), his income's all about his email lists, which he mostly markets through a network of professional vendors, with significant add'l sales of same occurring in-house (hence, you really cannot track his gross, closely-held corporate income, to the dollar; but he's left enough breadcrumbs in his commentary over the years to surmise to infer his gross corporate income is somewhere not too far north/south/in-between $10mm-$15mm per year, now). Above and beyond his direct response income stream, his second, major cash cow in his business is the tithe he "semi-imposes" among all that are ignorant enough to donate to their favorite neoliberal political candidates through his online and offline political fundraising efforts.

I really do enjoy reading Peter Douche's recent commentary. Especially, those .jpegs! LOL! Got a lot of laughs out of it! Thanks, Mark!

@ban nock and identitarian on social issues." bout says it all. Makes you wonder if it isn't a CIA plot to destroy the democratic party. Not that they aren't doing a good job all by themselves.

sorry I missed the poll, I don't read there too much, busy of late and something has to go.

I find the GOS to be neolib on issues economic and identitarian on social issues. Your basic rich folks attitude. The only good thing about Trump is that he chaps their ass, especially that little skweeky fella that owns GOS.

Meanwhile there are important elections. I wish there was a link to the poll, that post would be worth laughing over.

a cesspool for Rich 'Liberals.'
@ban nock

Not a chance of them rolling up
their sleeves and getting their hands
dirty working for progressive candidates.
That's so, whats the word?, working class.

sorry I missed the poll, I don't read there too much, busy of late and something has to go.

I find the GOS to be neolib on issues economic and identitarian on social issues. Your basic rich folks attitude. The only good thing about Trump is that he chaps their ass, especially that little skweeky fella that owns GOS.

Meanwhile there are important elections. I wish there was a link to the poll, that post would be worth laughing over.

@dkmich

cracked me up, thank you! I hope one of them responds or reacts to you!

What’s down is interest in @dailykos silly poll, and @Markos worse than useless analysis of the results. @chucktodd even lost interest in you. https://t.co/giaVXA49Er

— dkmich (@dkmich) April 6, 2019

If you haven't read his summary of the 4/4 results, do yourself a favor and do/don't. Apples to oranges and made up bull shit from poll to poll. The last one, he only left open for 6 hours hoping he would outfox the Bernie supporters who now own his poll. I have no idea how long the last one was open. Like the Democratic debate, Kos is starting to only post them on Christmas Eve at midnight.

I don't know which makes me happier. Having Bernie win on his bought & paid for site or destroying his straw poll with all of its phony fame and glory.

@Le Frog

in this piece about Maddow and her reporting:

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-rachel-maddow-turne...

I feel like the human Rachel Maddow was replaced by a robot. (Keith Olbermann disappointed me more though. I have a copy of Pitchforks and Torches that I don't know whether to burn or reread.)

I am not foolish enough to ignore the corporate purpose and provenance of her RUSSIA CONTROLS EVERYTHING hysteria, but I still come across some of her shit and think WTFFFFFF, are you for real?! FOX probably has a cushy job for her!

@Fishtroller 02 (LOL) He always sounds and looks like a goofy kid who swallowed a coat hanger. He's jumpy too, and not particularly astute in his observations.

Kos is to commentary...

as Alfalfa is to crooning.

as a commentator for any news media. He always sounds and looks like a goofy kid who swallowed a coat hanger. He's jumpy too, and not particularly astute in his observations.

But he's real good at groveling in front of Nancy Pelosi with his billions of roses game. Boy, were followers of DKos used and abused on THAT fund-raiser! Ha!