Oh Nancy. Now this?

Welcome to Boehnerville.

The Beat keeps on a comin

AOC "draws a bigger audience than any Democrat 2020 hopeful"

After Omar schooled you a day or so ago, "Hope and Change was a mirage", now outa Brooklyn comes:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez uses her SXSW talk to label FDR's New Deal 'racist' compared to her 'Green New Deal' and protests minorities being treated like 'garbage' - as she draws a bigger audience than any Democrat 2020 hopeful

It is Austin y'all, so there's that.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez drew massive crowds at SXSW

The ballroom and overflow rooms were packed to the gills to hear her

She spent much of her talk decrying the treatment of minorities

'This idea of like 10 percent better than garbage shouldn't be something we settle for,' said the freshman Democratic congresswoman from New York

And there was a surprise during the Q&A session when Bill Nye the Science Guy came up to ask her a question, which earned a roar of delight from the crowd

But her bigger message was one of hope, inclusion and equality, particularly for blacks and latinos.

She slammed the treatment of minorities throughout recent American history from Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal, which she claimed was racist, to Ronald Reagan's treatment of them.

She decried the idea of incrementalism, a belief in change via small steps, and said it took big sweeping ideas to make a difference.

'This idea of like 10 percent better than garbage shouldn't be something we settle for,' she said.

The crowd cheered her on.

Nancy, Steny, James, Chuckie, Durbin, et al. She and her cohorts are killing your myths. About time.

Time to retire?

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As originally designed and implemented, Social Security and other New Deal programs were de jure and de facto both racist and sexist. That's historical fact, one which has been the subject of much discussion over the years. It's not a surprising fact, either, given the social milieu of the 1930s.

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@Centaurea

And the last time you heard an elected Democratic Representative say that in public over the past decades (regardless of the then social milieu) was, when?

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@EdMass about anything important.

Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar are like a breath of fresh air. I think it's also why Bernie Sanders has resonated with so many people. Tulsi Gabbard is right there, too. The more they speak, the more the crazy-making fog disperses. More power to them.

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@Centaurea

anything important."?

You're confusing me.

That's okay, I've been married for 38 years, I can deal with this...

Blog on.

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@EdMass

Biggrin

The Dem establishment politicians haven't said anything of importance about anything that's important to the American people.

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So who's (of these four people: Sanders, Gabbard, AOC, Ilhan Omar) an "establishment politician?"

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"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." --Hunter S. Thompson

@bobswern
...but I also think warranted.

Reading @Centaurea dialog with @EdMass, the entire phrasing was that the establishment Dems haven't said/addressed anything important to actual American people. @Centaurea also added, "Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar are like a breath of fresh air. I think it's also why Bernie Sanders has resonated with so many people. Tulsi Gabbard is right there, too. The more they speak, the more the crazy-making fog disperses. More power to them."

This to me shows @Centaurea is distinguishing those particular candidates as "not establishment" and are presenting dialog that IS important.

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@ChezJfrey

I misread the comment. But, thanks for pointing that out to me.

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@ChezJfrey That was indeed my intent, although in re-reading my comments, I probably could have worded it more clearly.

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for our representatives. Why not? Imagine how that would energize the voters.

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@mimi

Age isn't the problem. A lifetime "career" is more the issue. One or two terms is enough for House members; one for Senate (although I'd just as soon eliminate the Senate entirely).

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@travelerxxx screw that. Democracy requires a popular candidate be elected as often as desired. Only the corruption of money drives people to foolishly consider term limits an answer.
That's like giving a cancer patient cartons of cigarettes.

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Only the corruption of money drives people to foolishly consider term limits an answer.

Until the corrupting influence of money is addressed in a manor that puts a stop to its anti-democratic influences, I wouldn't consider limiting the number of terms foolish. Rather more as a bit of a short-term fix, but considering the un-likelihood of curtailment to the US buy-your-own-congress methods, one that will somewhat serve a similar purpose.

I realize there are drawbacks. Ideally we wouldn't need even consider term limits. My view of it is as a check - albeit a small one - on the power of massive capitalist corporation influence purchasing. Yes, I know it can cut two ways. Still....

Getting the money out of American politics is about as likely as the imposition of term limits for congress. I seriously doubt I'll see either in my lifetime.

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There was once a candidate who ran a brilliant campaign where he presented himself as “one of us”. Stories were pushed about the fact that he and his wife were still paying for their college loans in order to make him identifiable to the common person. He eventually arrived in DC and pushed through the biggest corporate boondoggle in American history. He is now on his way to becoming wealthy magnate as he gets paid by the same industries he enriched during his tenure. His name is Obama, the Bank First President. Alexandria, with her struggles to pay rent and eating Mac ‘N Cheese with straws is following his playbook. It’s a matter of time before she gets paid like the Obamas. It pays well to be a sheepdog of the establishment.

https://ghionjournal.com/sheepdog-of-the-establishment/?fbclid=IwAR1y1t-...

And then there is this...

An Open Letter to Ilhan Omar, the Lioness Who Entered the Halls of Hyenas
BY TEODROSE FIKRE ON MARCH 9, 2019
Subax wanaagsan Congresswoman Omar, I am writing this open letter to you inspired by the courageous positions you staked out over the past couple of weeks. Let me preface this letter by telling you a bit about who I am, I am a former Obama uber-volunteer who fell hook, line and sinker for Barack’s brand of empty sloganeering that masked his pernicious domestic and foreign policies. I made a vow to never believe in another politician again; this is not due to jadedness but out of a wisdom that comes with age and experience. This is the understanding the school of hard knocks conferred upon me: no one is greater than the institution they serve.

However, given my reticence to believe in political personalities, I have been moved over the past month to rally to your side. Though the media-politico complex and the bipartisan Zionist caucus rushed to lynch you politically, their zest to silence you gave Americans an open look into just how much our government is owned by special interests and foreign actors. Allow me to express openly what you hinted at tepidly, AIPAC, along with a sea of special interests and moneyed lobbyists, have commandeered our Republic, nullified the “grand experiment of self-governance”, and turned the citizenry into impotent observers.

These moneyed interests are not just Zionists, who by the way are a perversion of Judaism, they range a gambit of religions and ideologies—all wedded by unadulterated avarice and their slavish worship of money.
By flogging you publicly, Nancy Pelosi and elected officials across the political spectrum showed their hands. They tried to mask their intentions by wrapping their feckless act with identity politics, but most of us know that their resolution against bigotry was actually a racist smear aimed at silencing you. Democrats are making it clearer and clearer—for those who have ears that can listen and eyes that can observe—that their party is a plantation that has perfected the art of using the pains of marginalized people to advance their own interests. In a lot of ways, the paternalism of Democrats is worse than the racism of Republicans.

https://ghionjournal.com/open-letter-ilhan-omar/

No comparison in the treatment each got from the media....

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@dkmich

Firke has been nailing it since he arrived after his experience with poverty and other life's hardships. AOC flubbed the question on Venezuela by not answering at first and then after she formed a committee to decide how she felt about it. And again here. She does seem to filibuster a lot of questions and she is timid when she answers them.

Omar saying that Barry was a 'smiling murderer' was incredible! Her experience living in a war torn country has shaped who she is. Loved how she went after Abrams for his crimes against humanity. He looked like a kid who got caught doing something and he kept saying it wasn't fair that she was saying those things about him. Next time he testifies before congress he should ask for a smaller chair.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Where do you go from there? More IP?

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@gjohnsit
You have more to say. Let er rip.

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in this vein.

I know the New Deal was designed and implemented with preferential treatment for white people, but what wasn't in America? The New Deal was no more racist than America at the time, the American Military, Local and State Governments.

To call it a "racist deal" is to completely miss the point and to sully the idea of government doing New Deal type things for ALL Americans... And there it is... the dog whistle, amirite or what?

As a leftist, you don't shit on the New Deal as racist. It's a class/race short circuit argument. I find that to be rather troubling coming from "the left". I'm sensing lots of market based solutions coming out of AOC. And don't forget the public private partnerships...

@gjohnsit

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@k9disc So I check Drudge to get an idea of what will be daily right wing talking points....he already has up on his web site with AOC claiming "FDR racist ...". Which was a link to dailymail article.

Oh well thanks for the historical accuracy, I guess.

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damages both the idea and sincerity of a government social safety net. Why? So we can tear each other down. Wind up in an argument about who ALL Matter... Essentially, it's a Pie Fight™, on a national scale with the piñata being Social Security.

Not at all surprised that Drudge would run with it. It's "true", of course, in a truthy sort of way, the New Deal was also Sexist, in the same truthy manner. But what does it gain you as a Democratic Socialist representative? It gives you a fucking pie fight is what it gives you, and nothing more.

And what the hell is up with Bernie having to stake a position on Reperations? Does the DNC have a position on Reperations? Hillary? Kamala? Biden? I want Biden to speak out on Reperations. Wonder if he has any empathy for it?

@MrWebster

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@k9disc From what I saw, the right wing attacked her over the GND was being a SJW document, and not a proposal to mitigate the damage to the environment. The right wing really hit her hard on the opening statements of this clip as "cultural marxism" ...

But it was a political mistake to bring up FDR.

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@k9disc The most important part of the New Deal was that it existed at all. Programs implemented that didn't directly benefit business and the 1% were pretty much unheard of. Even that may have been an unintended consequence of saving the American economy, but it established the legitimacy of "social" programs. Then the question of fairness had to be confronted just like it is now, by political and legal remedies.

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@Snode employment for the commonwealth as as a shitty racist policy makes the Republicans half right. It makes the Democrats look like historical Identity Politics frauds. Looks like a winner for 2020.

I have little doubt she's trying to get some Establishment creds on this topic and head off opposition, but you don't shit on your best dish and serve it to the public to do that.

"The New Deal changed America. It built up the middle class and set the stage for social stability so all boats could lift with the American tide. Yup, it started without the inclusion of people of color - just like voting and American citizenship. How long was it until people of color were included?"

Same message, but I didn't shit in my best meal and try to serve it to you to placate people who are paid 7 figures to shut me up.

dKos used to make the same argument "What will the media think if we allow that to be said on our site?" We won't be "respectable" because our policy harms corporate hegemony.

AOC as she talked in the recent past and currently will NEVER be acceptable to them. The only way she gets acceptable is to shit on the people who got her there and toe the corporate line.

Not sure which way she's gonna bolt. I've got a bad feeling about her.
@Snode

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"The New Deal worked well. People of color were brought on board. Elderly persons, orphans and widows were not thrown to the wolves. Americans stood together protecting 3 generations of Americans from family tragedy and random acts of life.

Then corporate pulled out of America. They bought politicians, sponsored elections and debates, and hijacked the US Government. They threw all Americans out on their ear - No Safety Net for you - as they fired people, off-shored, and outsourced their way to unimaginable wealth and power. These people hate me and I welcome their hatred. They hate what I stand for.

I stand for you, the American Citizen, and I will work to restore the dignity, and political power of the American Citizen."
@k9disc

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@gjohnsit Seems like she gave some major talking points to attack social security by the republicans. Bad enough Nancy mightly praised Pete Peterson, enemy of social security that AOC goes on to charge it with inherant racism. And am I getting it right? That she has drawn/created this distinction that social security is racist, while her green new deal is not racist?

Debate

CNN: Bernie. AOC has said social security is racist. Why are you asking for expanision of a racist program?

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@gjohnsit The MSM outlets have been describing (editorializing) what Ocasio-Cortez said as "slamming" and "blasting" FDR. None of them have quoted what she actually said. Rather than accepting the MSM's narrative, I wanted to hear it in her own words, either a formal written quote or on YouTube.

It was surprisingly difficult to find. I finally located it in an article in the NY Post, although it doesn't show the context in which the statement was made:

The New Deal was an extremely economically racist policy that drew little red lines around black and brown communities and it invested in white America,” the Democratic socialist said in an interview Saturday evening at the South by Southwest festival in Austin, Texas. “It allowed white Americans access to home loans that black Americans didn’t have access to, giving them access to the greatest source of intergenerational wealth.”

https://nypost.com/2019/03/10/ocasio-cortez-blasts-reagan-fdr-over-racis...

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Best answer to her FDR bashing and the ongoing demand for reparations.

Reparations are an end to the drug war, no more private prison profits, no more meat-grinder wars for profits, that use black bodies for Empire. No more cash bail, no more redlining, no more lead-poisoned water, toxic air, no more superfunds in black neighborhoods.

Which is exactly what Bernie said.

At some point, they either need to divorce the sob or forgive him for fathering a child with another woman 50 years ago. If he's still screwing around, then go for that.

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Not the best of sources. The Austin Chronicle gave a more measured and detailed report:

"As Gray [her interviewer] pointed out, liberal government programs don’t always result in inclusion, especially for people of color. Ocasio-Cortez agreed, reminding the audience the New Deal amounted to racist economic policy for some, as it led to redlining black and brown communities and accelerated many parts of the racial wealth gap. She stressed the importance of intersectionality and inclusion in crafting policies like the Green New Deal. It aims “to fix the pipes in Flint, the air in the Bronx, the electric grids in Puerto Rico, and fund the pensions of coal miners in West Virginia,” she said. It’s a matter of realizing our prosperity is “inextricably linked.”

Here is the link:

https://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/sxsw/2019-03-10/sxsw-alexandria-oc...

She wasn't singling out the New Deal for criticism, as much as agreeing that there have been racist aspects of liberal legislation and giving specific, factually correct examples. But the overall message is one of inclusion, unlike IDPol which is essentially divisive.

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It was great seeing Tulsi's response after watching the two women below.

Bernie got a lot of crap because some women said that they been sexually harassed and he has stated that people on his campaign will go through some training. This is still not good enough for some people. Like Armando. But lookie here.

Tulsi like Omar is saying things that have long needed to said. AOC is hit and miss.

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Must not have had enough money for taller curtains. Or for a place that doesn't look like this is being held in someone's garage.

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Why do some tweets look like this? Is there a way to make them bigger? Kinda ruins the effects at times.

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@snoopydawg
No pictures, but a local band damned near burned my barn down.
Police responded by joining the revelry.
Yes you kam.
Knott I.

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This and Bernie's taxes is the long form birth certificate. Warren and Harris have basically said the same things about this that Bernie has, but no one is listening to him. Bernie's idea is to help all people who are financially challenged which would be a way to help poor blacks. How would anyone be able to decide who is related to someone who was brought here centuries ago? How much would that cost just to find out?

Julian Castro Takes a Swipe at Bernie Sanders Over Reparations

Democratic presidential candidate Julian Castro blasted Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) Sunday for his opposition to giving reparations to descendants of slaves, an issue that many other Democratic candidates have come out in support of. Speaking on CNN's State of the Union, the former San Antonio mayor questioned why Sanders would oppose such a move when his agenda already consists mostly of “writing a big check.” The candidate was asked by CNN anchor Jake Tapper to respond to Sanders, who called Castro and Sen. Elizabeth Warren's (D-MA) support for reparations vague. “It’s interesting to me that, when it comes to ‘Medicare for All,’ health care, the response there has been, ‘We need to write a big check. When it comes to tuition-free or debt-free college, the answer has been, ‘We need to write a big check.’” “So, if, under the Constitution, we compensate people because we take their property, why wouldn't you compensate people who actually were property?” he said. “If I'm president, then I'm going to appoint a commission or other task force to determine the best way to [provide reparations].”

Remember Castro during his tenure as head of HUD? Yep. He's that guy.

Remember Obama's ideas for reparations? Remember how his tenure helped blacks in general? They actually became worse off during his presidency. But Bernie is supposed to fix everything that is wrong in this country. Before he becomes president. As dkmich states up thread Obama promised so much and delivered so little.

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@snoopydawg
obummer never promised anything.
Except for hope, change and looking forward.......to the same ole shit.

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@Pricknick

... obummer never promised anything ...

Was just texting a former co-worker when I read this and happened to mention it to him. Now, this guy is pretty much a right-winger, fairly sophisticated in things right-ward. He immediately sent me to various sites with massive lists of promises Obama made, but never kept. I did my own search and found that there must be a thousand websites with "list of Obama promises not kept" out there.

Frankly, I recognized a lot of what they listed.

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@travelerxxx

I'm sure there's a lot that is valid (do they provide footnotes?)

That being the case, the websites dedicated to Trump's promises and lies could be the thing that actually causes the whole internet to overload and burn down.

I'm reminded more than ever, this season perhaps, as it applies to Bernie's supporters intrinsically understanding the absolute necessity of being citizen watchdogs who document everything from media malfeasance to voting shenanigans, etc.

The value and importance of alternative bloggers and online media shows doing their own investigative journalism, with a mind on creating compendiums of such topics that the MSM refuses to touch (i.e. the string of disparaging stories the WaPo ran on Bernie in 24hrs, etc), can not be understated if you expect your candidate to have a chance.

I'm already starting to loathe this whole American electoral process all over again. Ugh.

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@Mark from Queens

Interesting. I'd like to see some of them.

Oh, I didn't save any of them. No problem, though. Simply do a search (as I did) with the terms "list of Obama promises not kept" - in quotes. I can't tell you how many hits there were. Plenty. Obviously, most of these were right-leaning. Some were probably full of malarkey, but it didn't take much more that a casual scan of them to see that they had many valid points.

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@Mark from Queens

a board where all parts of the political spectrum were theoretically welcome to post. The owner of the board had started out as a Republican, until Reagan turned her off. She claimed to have voted for Jesse Jackson and she oh, so definitely voted for Bubba. in 2008, she was a Hillary supporter in spades.

She said Obama reminded her of Reagan, the reason she had changed Parties in the first place. She began keeping a record of Obama's promises during the primary, convinced that he'd break them. When Hillary lost, she went full PUMA and then some. I could not even mock little Georgie Bush anymore. I left there and went to an all Dem board. First, we couldn't criticize Obama's policies freely. Then Sanders not only ran, but ran against the anointed one.

Now, I'm here.

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@Pricknick

recognize the genocide of Armenians by the Turks, as, believe it or not, a rerun of the Kardashians reminded me recently. They did not mention Obama or his promise, but they were in Armenia, speaking of the genocide that had brought their father's ancestors to the US. And that reminded me of another broken promise.

He promised to get us out of Iraq.

He promised to close Gitmo.

He promised to reverse the so-called Bush tax cuts.

He promised to make public education on reservations equal to public education anywhere in the country. (Giess his Secretary of Education, Arne "Lurch" Duncan was too busy trying to privatize public education everywhere in the country to worry about improving public education on "the res."

While not a promise, he blabbed about all of us being "in this" together.

About two weeks before his inauguration, he promised WAPO he'd "reform" "entitlements", but he didn't do that, either. He sure tried harder and longer on that one than the rest of his promises and did end up with the sequester, multiple cuts to SNAP and cuts to fuel subsidies for the poor. So, he did better on the promise he never ran on than the ones that got him elected

The sequestion was supposed to be a bitter pill for the left because of cuts to federal programs--as if most of the Republican rank and file hate Social Security and Medicare, for example. However, it was also supposed to be a bitter pill for the right because of cutting defense spending, too.

Raise your hand if you believe defense spending got cut.

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Julian Castro says if he becomes POTUS he'll appoint a commission to study how to do reparations.

Whereas Tulsi Gabbard has already taken action to do exactly that. She was one of 35 co-sponsors of Rep. Conyers' House Resolution (H.R. 40 in the 115th Congress, 2017-18), to appoint a committee to study reparations. The bill has been re-introduced by Rep Sheila Jackson Lee in the 116th Congress. Tulsi has signed onto that bill, as well.

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@snoopydawg

mate for Hillary.

I believe that is why Obama made him Secretary of HUD, to give him some national cred, just in case Hillary went that way. She may have gotten more votes if she had chosen Castro over Kaine. I never did understand what she thought Kaine added to her ticket.

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@HenryAWallace

and did a great job protecting the banks while he was head of HUD. Less people forget Obama also appointed Pai who gutted net neutrality. Geitner. Rahm. Her. Holder. Etc.... which one of them helped us the most? Or at all?

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@snoopydawg

to help us; and they did spectacularly at what they were chosen to do.

During the Obama administration, wealth traveled to the wealthiest at the fastest rate in human history. No one has done anywhere near that well at pointing wealth at the neediest. Than again, not many have tried.

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Compared to no Social Security? Welfare was racist, compared to what? Equal opportunity starvation and homelessness? Bread lines?

I am not defending FDR here. I am over that. But the programs?

As far as the Green New Deal, it is not AOC's The concept is that of Green Party member and frequent candidate in New York, Howie Hawkins. AOC has few to no specifics. And, as we all know from Obamacare, if Democrats ever get serious about passing it, instead of using it to make headlines, it will be some lengthy mess whose complexity will obfuscate how watered down it is and how little it actually changes or accomplishes.

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