Anyone See a Possible Flaw with this Idea?
Trump May Charge Allies Up To 600% More For Hosting US Troops
In some cases, nations hosting American forces could be asked to pay five to six times as much as they do now under the “Cost Plus 50” formula
President Trump has ordered his administration to draw up formal demands for Germany, Japan and all other countries hosting American troops to pay the full price of US soldiers deployed on their soil, along with a 50% premium for the privilege of hosting them, reports Bloomberg, citing a dozen administration officials and people briefed on the matter.
Trump has long-complained that countries hosting US troops aren't paying enough, to the point where he nearly derailed recent talks with South Korea over how much they're paying for the 28,000 US troops on their soil - overruling his negotiators and telling National Security Advisor John Bolton "We want cost plus 50."
The president’s team sees the move as one way to prod NATO partners into accelerating increases in defense spending -- an issue Trump has hammered allies about since taking office. While Trump claims his pressure has led to billions of dollars more in allied defense spending, he’s chafed at what he sees as the slow pace of increases. -
"Wealthy, wealthy countries that we’re protecting are all under notice," said Trump during a January 17 speech at the Pentagon. "We cannot be the fools for others."
Bloomberg's sources caution that the idea is "one of many under consideration," in order to try and convince US allies to pay more, and the plan may be toned down. That said, "it has sent shock waves through the departments of Defense and State, where officials fear it will be an especially large affront to stalwart US allies in Asia and Europe."
Other current and former administration officials "describe it as far more advanced than is publicly known," reports Bloomberg. In addition to seeking more money from allies hosting US troops, the Trump administration wants to use the new policy as means of leverage over countries to do what the US demands overseas.
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Others think that the "Cost Plus 50" plan will spark debates within allied governments over whether they even want US troops on their soil. Both Germany and Japan, two of the three defeated WWII Axis powers, have long-resisted the presence of American troops on their soil. Other countries such as Poland, on the other hand, welcome US troops.
I say go for it, Donald. Let's see how many countries really want our bases in their country. Trump should start with Japan. They have been very vocal in saying, "Yankees go home and take your military troops and equipment with you!"
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Trump has no clue how this empire thing works does he? You can't charge the countries you occupy.
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Hooray!
And maybe they'll ask themselves, why should we be paying to be occupied?
paying for occupation
That worked so very well for the Romans (NOT!) ......
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
omigod!
As badly as Poland wants our troops there, they can't afford the sticker price.
I love it that Trump does something I think is good, such as getting out of Syria, or maybe closing down military bases, but does it for all the wrong reasons!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
We just opened a drone base in Poland
So we now have not only troops on Russia's borders but a military base. Russia should put one in Mexico or make good on its threat and put their stuff in Cuba. I'll try to find the article that talks about how we can neutralize Russia's missiles from our many submarines and use our "mini" nukes and win the Cold War for good.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Mini nukes to the rescue!
Trump is crude and gauche, but he isn't any stupider that some past presidents.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@snoopydawg You're joking about
Tensions should only be one sided?
If Russia putting something in Cuba would get this country to back off its ambitions to have a war with Russia then no I'm not. This country and NATO have troops and military equipment into many countries that surround Russia right now. Why do you think that is? The Cold War stalled because both sides had nuclear weapons that made it so there would be no winners. Reagan and Gorbachev worked hard on the treaty to stop the madness and then Obama dusted off our nuclear program and we've developed mini nukes that too many people think they would survive from if used.
Trump and the sociopaths that he surrounds himself with just pulled out of the INF treaty and the defense companies are not letting grass grow under their feet and are developing more nuclear weapons. The nuclear clock is set at two minutes to midnight.
India and Pakistan are both nuclear powers and I doubt that our country hasn't taken a side in this conflict. Read the article I recently posted here.
I'd rather our country pulls its military out of the countries surrounding Russia and works with Russia on creating a new deal to stop this madness. Russia stopped our regime change in Syria and I say bully for them! Someone needs to.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Did you live through the Cuban missile crisis?
Russia putting missiles in Cuba would not make the US back off. In any event, Putin is not that foolish.
And AMLO would not be so foolhardy as to allow Russia to put a military base in Mexico.
Do you really want to get into the arena of nuclear brinkmanship again ala John Foster Dulles?
We agree that the US should stop antagonizing Russia with NATO troops and military bases near it's border. But that's simply not going to happen unless we elect Bernie.
Yes I did live through that time
Putin has actually threatened to do just that as well as other things if we put more missiles in Europe. He has stated that Russia will be standing if war happens. I hope our government doesn't keep pushing him.
I don't think Bernie is as anti foreign policy as many people think he is. But hopefully we will get a chance to see.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Sorry, but I don't believe Putin . . .
. . . ever suggested that he would or could put nukes in Cuba nor a military base in Mexico. Show me exactly where he made these suggestions.
Otherwise, I think we generally agree about the foolhardiness, insatiable greed, and bellicosity of US foreign policy.
And I really fear for our humanity and our planet if we don't manage somehow manage to elect Bernie.
@Wally
I don't know for certain whether he specifically mentioned Cuba, but he most certainly did say that that Russia is ready for a Cuban Missile-style crisis if the United States “wants one”.
The quote, reported by Reuters (and others) on Feb. 19, 2019:
This comment was taken from Putin's State-of-the-Nation address. Western press basically cherry-picked this comment out of context to make it seem that Putin was threatening the US. It was a comment of self defense, not aggression. Putin once again stated that Russia would never fire the first shot, but that they were more than adequately prepared to respond. He is correct, too. We have nothing that can stop the Russian hyper-sonic weapons.
As with the Cuban crisis in 1962, it is once again the United States doing the provoking. The Russians are understandably not to keen to have American missile-launching sites adjacent their borders. Who can blame them? Would the US appreciate Russian launch sites in Mexico, Canada, and Cuba? Hardly. This is what the Russians are facing right now, though.
@travelerxxx Indeed,
Your other points are pretty much spot-on.
I agree... Putin said he didn't NEED to mess with Cuba
It seems evident that his preferred method is to ensure he can deliver mutually assured destruction from anywhere on the globe. Given what I understand of their recent weapons developments (and the trajectory that implies) I suspect he is correct. I also think we should take him at his word that "the next world war will not be fought on Russian soil."
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
If Bernie somehow manages to win the Dem primary
it will not be because the party has done an about face and embraced Bernie’s socialist policies, it will be because Bernie has been co-opted and is no longer seen as a threat to the established order.
Saving “humanity and the world” will never happen from within either of our duopolistic political parties, and it is too big a job to be laid at the feet of any individual, even Bernie. Perhaps a third party or a revolution could uproot the pervasive rot at the top, but thinking that those responsible for the creation of our desperate global situation will somehow enlighten themselves and save us all is a particularly thin straw to be grasping at for hope.
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
It is a very sad commentary on the state of our country
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
If Bernie wins the nomination . . .
I am not into vote shaming as some have suggested in another thread. Nor am I an arbeiter of what can be posted here. Nor am I into silencing anyone. But I am a staunch advocate of voting for Bernie because given the threat of global extinction via the ratcheting up of nuclear tensions and climate change, his candidacy and the Our Revolution MOVEMENT is pretty much our last chance.
I still vote
although I have very little confidence in the integrity of our electoral process, particularly with regard to the primaries. Who and how the votes are counted in our system still remains wide open to tampering of all sorts, long after the hanging chads and Bush vs. Gore.
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
Wally,
I was a Sanders supporter in 2016, and I would vote for him in 2020 if he said something that made me feel he sees the insanity of our foreign policy, but he hasn't said anything strong enough, and at times he seems to be ignorant of what is going on, as when he suggested Saudi Arabia should help us more in the wars in the Middle East. Yikes!
And the United States did back down in the Cuban Missile Crisis, as President Kennedy agreed to remove missiles from Turkey, which wasn't publicized at the time.
The situation now is that our current batshit crazy leadership is provoking a nuclear conflict they know we can't win but they want it anyway. They clearly are doing everything possible to force either a response from Russia, or an accident or mistake that causes a response, in order to launch a nuclear war. If that isn't treason, I don't know what is.
Hi Linda . . .
I imagine I share many of your concerns about Bernie's foreign policy positions.
At the same time, let's not forget that Bernie is at least familiar with Noam Chomsky and has appeared on the same stage with him, introducing him in a very favorable manner (google their names together).
Unfortunately, politics is politics and even the very best politicians have to be very careful about what they say.
I feel much more in tune with Tulsi's foreign policy positions, and I've sent money to her campaign to make sure her ideas make it to the debate stage, but I'm gonna have to go for the politics of the possible at this point, even if the possibility of Bernie getting the nomination seems difficult.
I hear you,
and I agree with much of what you say, especially in not wanting the Russians to up the ante by surrounding us as we have surrounded them. Although it's hard to argue against the common sense fairness of it.
But I disagree with what you say here:
No one is less careful about what he says than Donald Trump, and he's President right now! I sure get it that Tulsi, who has stated her positions in a reasoned and mild tone, has been marginalized, but I think her message is still getting out. Joe Biden roundly criticized the Saudis and Turkey for supporting ISIS, and he was forced to make a pretense of apologizing, but he didn't take it back. And Michael Flynn was fired as director of DIA for publicly revealing the Saudi support of the caliphate, and he has been destroyed in so many ways, but he's still alive, and his message is still there. IIhan Omar has made real progress in opening the barricades against criticizing Israel. Nothing is going to be the same since she took that step. She's still alive, she has respect all over the country, and the stupidity of supporting Israel right or wrong has finally become a public debate, even in the mainstream media!
I think Bernie Sanders is very courageous. I've always thought that about him. He's not afraid to speak the truth no mater how uncomfortable it is for powerful interests to hear. I just think when it comes to foreign policy he's somewhat of a lightweight and listens to the Democratic machine. Otherwise, I would vote for him.
Good points but look the reaction to Bernie in Florida . . .
. . . re his simply not condemning Maduro.
And again, I think his close relationship with Chomsky says a million more times about his foreign policy insights than his campaign statements.
I think Trump is president now primarily because of the failures of his general election opponent.
I am looking forward to watching and listening to Tulsi tonight. I've been really delighted by her manner of dealing with her Brock-fed interrogators.
I also sent a few bucks to Omar. She's amazing but I'm also sure that the forces of reaction are going to do everything they can to prevent her re-election. Same with AOC. AOC is in a relatively safer district, though.
Agreed for sure. Bernie seems to support empire
His support of both the Russiagate and Venezuela narratives is more than a bit troubling. When he's speaking in vague generalities he says the right things mostly, but it seems in the here and now he reverts back to neocon talking points.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Actually, Bernie has refused to condemn Maduro. . .
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/21/bernie-sanders-venezuela-madur...
@Wally
OK, that's not what I've read. I've read the elections were pretty clean. So just like Russiagate, Sanders must now show his proof that its a fraudulent election. In the absence of doing so, then he's just another neocon.
As above, I need to see him document how exactly he thinks Maduro is "abusive".
He may not be toeing the party line but he very much seems to be supporting the narrative.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
His pushing the Russian propaganda nonsense burns me
cuz he knows damn well that Hillary didn't lose because of Russian interference, but because of what she has done over her career. Especially when it comes to foreign policies. Bernie stated that she won the election fair and square and he knows too that she rigged it.
He wants to know what leverage Russia has over Trump which means that he believes that Trump is in bed with Vlad. Anyone who believes that congress would sit patiently by as a foreign country had power over our government is delusional. No way would that be allowed to happen. Another thing is Bernie has to know that Trump has put more sanctions on Russia than Obama did and he also sold Ukraine weapons after Obama decided it was too big a risk.
This Russia Gate crap has some dire consequences if it escalates and Bernie knows that too.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Hear, hear! CNN 'finally' posted the Town Hall
transcript from a couple weeks ago.
Bears reading, IMO.
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Just because Bernie supports congressional investigations . . .
. . . doesn't mean that "he believes that Trump is in bed with Vlad" as you claim.
I find the current Russiaphobic climate to be very problematic and I even have problems with some of Bernie's takes. But to jump to the conclusion that Bernie thinks "Trump is in bed with Vlad" is wrongful hyperbole.
But I am heartened that you realize that "This Russia Gate crap has some dire consequences if it escalates and Bernie knows that too."
He said just that
"I'd like to know what Vlad has on Trump." I posted the video of his saying that a week or so ago.
If Bernie knows what is happening with this Russian crap it'd be nice if he stopped doing it. This site has been covering Russia Gate since it started. One of the worst things that has come from it is censorship.
If you're interested you might look at some of the site's earlier essays on this and other topics.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
=/=
"he believes that Trump is in bed with Vlad" =/= "I'd like to know what Vlad has on Trump."
That noted, as I've repeatedly stated, I am appalled by the rampant Russophobia in US politics these days and I even find many of Bernie's takes on the matter problematic. But do you really think Bernie will be a warmonger if he miraculously gets elected president? Do you really think that he will not try to deescalate tensions with Russia?
Has Bernie been speaking
I haven't been following him much, would like to know he is a peace monger on the campaign trail.
You seem confident he will be open to calming tensions. He must have said something that gives you that confidence.
Any link you can provide would be appreciated.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Bernie is no warmonger
In response to your request, here are a few links briefly encapsulating Bernie's positions in response but again, I think Bernie's close friendship with Noam Chomsky speaks a lot louder than things he can emphasize on the campaign trail:
Military budget: http://inthesetimes.com/article/21664/military-budget-Yemen
On Venezuela: https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/25/politics/bernie-sanders-venezuela-maduro/... (please watch/listen to the whole video, not just his sucky intro)
also: http://inthesetimes.com/article/21697/democrats-president-donald-trump-c...
Russia: https://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-is-a-russian-agent-and-...
Other foreign Policy: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/02/foreign-policy-disting...
I did not remember
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I completely agree
Bernie has shown remarkable sanity over his political career so I think jumping to "he has adopted this insane position" is unreasonable. For that reason, I see it more as him playing politics and "walking the line". The problem with that is I'm pretty much over politicians who play politics and I'm thoroughly done with politicians lying to me for my own good.
If his position on #Russiagate is some sort of political calculus then he, like everyone else in DC, is willing to court global thermonuclear war for some political points. That is NOT the person I want in DC.
I remain open to the idea that I am vastly wrong about both Maduro and #Russiagate. But anyone pushing those two narratives is required to come to the table with evidence.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Sorry I missed your reply post . .
If you want to believe Bernie is a neocon as you suggest, I doubt I can convince you otherwise. But most neocons don't want to cut the defense budget. I don't think there's a one who does.
IF you want to think Maduro has been wonderfully democratic, again, I probably can't convince you otherwise. Suffice it to say I think many of the changes he's instituted have not served democracy well but have also bolstered his presidency against international corporatist forces even more anti-thetical to democracy.
You suggest that "He may not be toeing the party line but he very much seems to be supporting the narrative." And yet he supports decreasing the military budget, is opposed to military intervention in Venezuela, Ever come across his references to Gaza as an “open-air prison”? He’s told us that Netanyahu is part of the “growing worldwide movement toward authoritarianism,” and, he's even suggested cutting U.S. military aid to Israel. Can you name me one other viable candidate that's come close to that position? Aand we'll see what Noam Chomsky, his close personal friend for many years, has to say about Bernie, again, as he did in the 2016 race.
I suppose in the end, though, you'll get the president you really don't want (unless you do) and in any case it prolly won't be Bernie. Unless Bernie and "Our Revolution" puts the fear back into the capitalist class, I doubt we'll be enjoying world peace and you can be damn sure we'll be taking a giant leap towards the environmental decimation of our planet. So cheers.
Have no fears
I'm behind Sanders and I have already contributed. That being said, his stance on war is ambiguous at best and it needs to get clarified. I said the same thing about him in 2016 with the addendum...
"... the good thing is that he has shown he's responsive to activism. So we can get him elected and then start protesting the wars on the next day and with any luck that'll actually do something."
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Sehr gut!
Hang in there!
Pence tried to get Germany to provoke Russia
Pence Asked Merkel to Provoke Russia by Sending Warships to Crimea
We're playing games with Russia in the Black Sea and China in the China sea which is pretty damn far from our shores. I have strong opinions when it comes to our murderous march to global hegemony.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
I already agreed with you re. provocations against Russia.
When Lindorf sez "The American people need to rise up against this madness."
Yea, well, fine and dandy but how? I'd say that at this point our best bet is to work to get Bernie elected president.
But if you want to advocate for Russia to put nukes in Cuba and military bases in Mexico, no thanks.
But that won't happen coz Putin's not even thinking about doing any such things.
I would like to know
It got big, but then smaller countries broke away.
The hatred toward Russia is inexplicable. Even Trump who initially seemed interested in developing a good relationship with Russia, has done an about face.
The US can get plenty of oil elsewhere.
dfarrah
Us hegemony is being threatened by Russia and China
I think that is the main factors driving Russia hysteria and our playing around in both Russia's and China's backyards.
The main reason why Russia phobia has taken off so successfully is that Her blamed her loss on Russia and her supporters just can't get over the fact that she lost to Trump. As fairly as our election systems allows. She decided that going to a extravagant fundraiser in CA was more fun than going to a much needed campaign event in some of the states that she lost. Her campaign was begging her to come because they saw that she was in trouble there.
My opinions on this for what they're worth.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Yes, and I was also talking about
Maybe Russia's new war technology is just that good. What politician would want to say, "we're falling behind in something" compared to Russia?
dfarrah
It's not an article, but a comment by Dave Lindorf
to this article.
We’re Edging Closer to Nuclear War
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
This is not where Russia keeps its nukes.
He may need to edit.
I suppose it does not help to understand that we have a coup government, a rogue government that cannot be voted away. The elected government does not have the authority, nor do they have access to the highly classified information about what is really going on. The US is an isolated fortress on the other side of the world. The people are all transplants with a narrated history. They don't ask any questions. They go from confusion to belligerence in one step. Their minds are owned by the Intelligence Agencies. The Russia Hoax proved that once and for all. These big issues are not subject to "democracy" and they never will be. The NSA has a blackmail dossier on every one in Congress. That's why they are allowed to get away with their tawdry sins and crimes. By the time Ed Snowden told us all this, it was too late.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Protection Racketeering
So it becomes pretty, pretty apparent that the NSA is a global security state corporation engaging in protection racketeering.
Does NSA include CIA, ICE, DEA, FBI, DOA
Would love to see a financial accouting of those black budgets. Hard for taxpayers to sort out the cost of freedom. What does that $32 Trillion actually buy us, and how will our grandchildren pay it back?
Don’t worry about paying it back
Depreciation will continue to take automatic deductions from all wages and savings. We’ll invent more e-money to cover shortfalls as needed. Only the investor class will have a chance of staying ahead of the game.
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
That is a statement
... of economic precision. I only recently fully understood how it works. Austerity is a terrorist device in a place like the US.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
@QMS The NSA isn't even
A brief summary of the NSA is here:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/National-Security-Agency
Tom Englehardt, aka Tom Dispatch, has written a couple of really great books about the global security state:
http://www.tomdispatch.com/books/175915/shadow_government%3A_surveillanc...
and
http://www.tomdispatch.com/books/175465/the_united_states_of_fear/
ouch
not that congressional oversight means much anymore, but are you saying they are their own undisputed authority. Que' nil. Guess we'll have to pull out our masked marvel super heros to tame these monsters. Oh noes
To the American imperialist, corporatist oligarchy
It's all about the Benjamins, baby.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
That was one of his key campaign promises.
He pushed it at every rally. Sometimes he used Israel as an example. He treated it as a good business decision. It was a crowdpleaser, believe it or not. He'd say, "Why should American taxpayers pick up the tab for these deadbeats?" Heh. The art of the deal.
Will our allies pay higher prices to our protection racketeers?
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Yep, go for it.
I doubt that he'll have any takers, and perhaps after 74 years, we can finally bring our troops home.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
What are the Baltics paying? Also, maybe a good thing.
The most forward positions for NATO are the Baltic countries unless Finland joins in. What have they been paying? I just assumed that NATO was paying them as they are very poor countries with major exodus of their population into Western Europe. Well, unless the economic benefit of NATO forces proves to be a positive benefit vs. the rent the Baltics have to pay.
You know, in some ways I support this. If NATO leaders are going to go full Russia xenophobia and fear an invasion of Oslo, then fuck them, pay up the protection money demanded by the US.
In a bizzare way, Trump wanted better relations with Russia. Charge the shit out of NATO countries for their paranoia about Russia may force them to start taling to the Russians.
It's how they intend to spread universal
Fascism. Destroy european social programs by diverting money into military spending.
Global military industrial complex.
Will Europe
Do those countries have a plan for yellow vest movements in place?
Interesting times, albeit horrifying.
That was a very observant comment, B o B.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I definitely agree with you here
This is what many countries are doing already even before Trump's threat. Macron has stated that he wants France to bulk up its military budget and that's why he is raiding social programs. I think the U.K. is doing this too.
Yep. Macron apparently doesn't care how much money he has to spend to fight the yellow vests instead of just letting people protest. Watched a video on RT about this. There are thousands of coppers in the streets with their water cannons that are spraying people on the sidewalks not even doing anything but watching the people in the streets. This what Trump's DHS did during his inauguration. People who weren't even protesting got arrested and charged with felony rioting. Going to lunch, work or just a walk? Bam! You're arrested.
If we try it here it's going to be much more violent.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
My brain went a step further into the future!
swing hard right, and who gets killed?
Poor ass American soldiers.
And poor ass Yellow Vesters.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
In Germany, the populist Right is anti Macron & pro Yellow Vests
The “Right-Left” terminology really breaks down here.
Macron is “Right” in the sense of elitist, globalizing, militarizing, authoritarian, economically neoliberal, etc.
Although a lot of people in Germany who consider themselves progressive act as if fascistic, centralizing techno-futurism is acceptable and desirable as long as it furthers E.U. integration and weakens traditional ethno-nationalism while marketing Marvel-Disney style “diversity” . . .
right on there - you hit the nail on its head
To me it's scary to watch how Germans believe that centralizing techno-futurism is a godly blessing and will rescue them to 'stay ahead' and at the same time it's scary to watch how that is countered by local geographical ethno-nationalism. It is reflected in all the 'Länder-based' local TV channels and their 'own' version of everything. It is very confusing to me, because I have nothing else to compare it to than the sixties and seventies.
It all scares me.
https://www.euronews.com/live
It scares me how much the TAZ has become a U.S. deep-state tool
just as an example of “progressive” German political institutions that really aren’t so open to structural change and grassroots (= “populist”) phenomena anymore.
https://www.taz.de/efr/Putins-blaue-Helfer/
The only real effective citizen dissent in Germany is coming from or through the AfD, so naturally they target the AfD with the Russiagate, paid-by-Putin accusations.
The article prominently quotes Stefan Meister of the “Deutsche Gesellschaft für Auswärtige Politik” = the German offshoot of the Council on Foreign Relations.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Gesellschaft_f%C3%BCr_Ausw%C3%A4r...
Isn’t that great? German media that claim to be Green and alternative-Left, doing the work and spreading the propaganda of the U.S. “deep state” / the Council on Foreign Relations.
A possible flaw? It's outright ....
redacted and edited this comment, because I fear not to be able to return to the US with this comment on the record.
....
(OMG what did I just say? I guess I will pay dearly for that...shit. Shit!).
Sigh. I want peace and I want the troops out.
https://www.euronews.com/live
I for one would be
dfarrah
This is the silver lining to the Trump cloud. He's a loose
cannon that is almost as likely to be aimed at right wingers and neocons as it is the left.
A loose
cannon is NOT aimed at anyone, it's Loose, rolling around on the gundeck of a ship, destroying and breaking everything around it.
By definition, it CANNOT fire.
Sheesh people, get your metaphors straight, at least.
Pet peeve rant ended.
peace
Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .
Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march
Going to have to explain this to me chief
I'm not sure what you're saying... ?
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Don't get mashed by the cannon
You know what? You're right. I've been hearing this old term thrown around so loosely (sorry) lately that I'd forgotten it does not pertain to the firing of a weapon. Rather, it is in regard to a nautical ship's cannon, a big and very heavy unit, coming unsecured from its restraints and rolling to and fro on the deck of a ship.
Back in the day, these cannon were muzzle-loading devices, therefor had wheels (usually) under the gun's carriage in order that it could be withdrawn from the firing portal and loaded by the attending crew. In old illustrations, usually one sees heavy thick ropes securing these old weapons. Some of these cannon were massive. You certainly did not want one rolling about the deck! Very dangerous. But as to them firing? No. That was not the danger. Rather getting crushed was the danger. Somewhat akin to the proverbial bull in the china closet.
@Tall Bald and Ugly
You're right. But the whole quote is:
"A loose cannon on the Ship of State."
And, that really is what Trump is. I think that was crystal clear before the election. He was not a Republican. Not a Democrat. He is unsecured, and heavy with authority.
If there were more than two parties, we could have seen that cyst of supporters that hid inside the GOP. But we are the same thing, hiding inside the Democratic Party.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"