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What if Trump refuses to accept defeat in 2020?

(CNN)President Donald Trump's critics are increasingly focused on the question of which Democrat will challenge him for the presidency in 2020. It's an important question, but another one might be even more important: Regardless of who runs in 2020, if Trump loses, will he leave the Oval Office peacefully?

No. No he won't .

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Pricknick's picture

I refuse to click.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

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@Pricknick

Mollie

“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.”
~~Will Rogers, Actor & Social Commentator

“I think dogs are the most amazing creatures; they give unconditional love. For me they are the role model for being alive.”
~~Gilda Radner, Comedienne

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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.

And seeing how good the Dems are at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, lets just take this a step at a time, shall we?

Side note: is it just my imagination or has the next presidential election cycle started especially early this time? I don’t ever remember stuff like this two years out before.

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Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.

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@Dr. John Carpenter
telling those clowns to get back to work. Have a whopping 10 signers.

http://chng.it/QHmX7dgnjZ

I never planned on it really going anywhere but I did feel it’s better than just complaining about it. Even a futile gesture.

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

TheOtherMaven's picture

Didn't happen then, so why now?

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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@TheOtherMaven

I thought Cheney might refuse to pack up and go.

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@Shahryar
wingnuts similarly thought Obama was scheming to keep the office.

to begin with, such a coup would require the support of a significant fraction of both houses of congress, which would not ever happen. if it weren't going to result in a short but bloody civil war, it would also require the cooperation of almost 100% of the top military command. the likelihood of such an event is so close to zero it might as well be zero. if cheney had attempted to seize the white house, he'd have been hauled out in cuffs in about 5 minutes.

whatever he is or ever was, cheney was never crazy enough to think such a thing could ever succeed. trump might be crazy enough, but it wouldn't matter, it would be over in literally minutes.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

That's what the Deep State is for.

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@Pluto's Republic
or less impossible. you don't get to be President by blockading yourself in the Oval Office and surrounding yourself with a loyal praetorian guard, anymore than you get to be President by declaring yourself President a la Guaido (as one might have imagined Al Gore to have done).

to be President, you need to command the engines of government -- which means the people in charge of those engines must be willing to take orders from you. and guess what? it is not in their interest to support a coup d'etat, which would inevitably in the long run threaten their own status.

even if you could somehow command the loyalty of an entire division of combat infantry inside DC, it would not do you any damned good -- you'd need the loyalty of many divisions, all across the nation, in order to actual seize the levers of government. it just isn't going to happen like that.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@TheOtherMaven

I think we've heard this dread before

Didn't happen then, so why now?

Because we've never had a 3-year-old child as President before. We have one now, however.

Diablo

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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He holds the evil Russians solely responsible for Hillary's ignoble defeat. He posits that the Russians began well before the 2016 elections by studying American politics and how to effectively use social media to disrupt and shape elections. Geltzer even puts the blame for Mueller's failure to find Russian evidence of collusion during his 2-year investigation was entirely due to the Russians actively injecting dis-information into Mueller's investigation. (How's that for circular logic?)

Geltzer even goes so far to posit that anyone (like myself or others here in C99) who make negative comments about his reports or op-eds to actually be Russian disinformation operatives. As a solution he wants all social media to be more effectively moderated, censored and controlled.

From this fuck-wit's comments, it is obvious that Putin and the Russians have mastered "The Force", especially upon the weak American mind.

Joshua Geltzer on Russian Interference and U.S. Election Security
February 1, 2019
Professor Joshua Geltzer talked about strengthening election cybersecurity and the threats posed by Russian interference in elections.

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@CB

Geltzer even goes so far to posit that anyone (like myself or others here in C99) who make negative comments about his reports or op-eds to actually be Russian disinformation operatives. As a solution he wants all social media to be more effectively moderated, censored and controlled.

Remember when you were a kid, and you and your friends had a club where only those who agreed with you and favored you were allowed to be members? You didn't so much begrudge others' having their own exclusive clubs, as long as they didn't begrudge yours. Congratulations, as a kid you were more mature than CNN commentators or, for that matter, the Democratic Party.

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@dance you monster

Remember when you were a kid, and you and your friends had a club where only those who agreed with you and favored you were allowed to be members? You didn't so much begrudge others' having their own exclusive clubs, as long as they didn't begrudge yours. Congratulations, as a kid you were more mature than CNN commentators or, for that matter, the Democratic Party.

And waaaaay more mature than the 3-year-old tantrum thrower currently in the Oval Office.......

Wink

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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He plans to change the constitution to allow a third term. OBAMA WILL SEEK THIRD TERM. Story repeated periodically Until Trump inauguration.

One of the reasons to read, watch or listen at news from those you disagree with politically. It makes it easier to spot the same techniques being used to keep you agitated so it is harder to think logically instead of emotionally.

Interesting to see if this becomes dominate theme as Russiagate winds down.

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--When the opening appears release yourself.

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@studentofearth
will wind down. It has been extremely effective in giving an excuse for the phony leftists (such as Moosetits and his cohorts) to escape responsibility. They will keep it simmering on the back burner in case they need to cast blame for the failure of Harris to win the election despite Bernie giving another fluffing to arouse the rabble.

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@CB
Very good description. He gets the masses all worked up for the disappointing star to saunter in, leaving us without so much as a kiss. Don't even think about the happy ending you were promised, expecting and paid for.

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@Deja
a text:

Hi Amanda! This is Liam. HUGE NEWS: Bernie JUST announced he's running!!! We're trying to hit 1 million people who are with Bernie. Are you in?

I said:

No.

Liam texted back:

Ok I understand and thanks for letting me know. Do you mind telling me who you plan on supporting?

To which I responded:

I don't know. But when Sanders jumped on the old 'collusion' train and started pushing that BS, that was the last straw. Think that for a minute. He got behind a bunch of lying cheats who 1) rigged the Dem primary; 2) tried to rig the 2018 preside election; and 3) backed the Dems when they tried (and are still trying) to overturn the choice of the American people (NOT my choice but that's not important). Those are the people he's supporting. I like Tulsi Gabbard but she hasn't a snowballs chance in Hell with the party of third term abortions and Stormy Daniels.

And he texted:

I don't know about that. Obviously I can't be sure, but I think at this point the DNC realizes people's guards are up, and they can't do it again.

To which I responded:

Uh, read the defense to the lawsuit filed against them. They claim the right to decide who runs and if the plebs don't like it they'll go to cigar smoke filled back rooms and chose the candidate themselves. You trust Tom Perez????

I’ve not heard another word out of him.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

@Amanda Matthews @Amanda Matthews and it still happened. It’s not like reports from Nevada and other places were that hard to find (if you were off the MSM grid.) Even places like The Young Turks which totally sold out were documenting the whole shitshow in real time. It’s not like this all came out after the fact. Everyone saw what was happening and yet it still happened because they could. As you pointed out, they’ve reaffirmed their “right” to do so again.

Is his entire campaign just going to pretend like it didn’t happen before and isn’t going to happen again?

(Also, I know that was just a lowly voulinteer on the text, but I like how he ignored everything but the Dems fixing the 2016 primaries and even then, kinda just dismissed it. I really hope Sanders gets hit with these questions on the trail because I think he needs to address them.)

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@Dr. John Carpenter
ticket is worth destroying all the great things he said and did the first time around.

“Better Way” my skinny old pink patoot.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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@Amanda Matthews
I remember getting an email begging for money for some dem gov's race in some state I've never even been to in 2017. I told them to go ask $hillary since that's where my Bernie donations went, and to take me off their begging list.

Yours is better!

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@Amanda Matthews

????

I don't know about that. Obviously I can't be sure, but I think at this point the DNC realizes people's guards are up, and they can't do it again.

What part didn't he know about? That Bernie is spewing Russia Gate nonsense or that the DNC said that if they wanted to they can choose their candidate again?

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

Pluto's Republic's picture

@snoopydawg , 5.1.1.1

That propaganda put a circuit breaker in people's brains.

The rest of us will have to learn to live with this brain damage in our midst.

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@Amanda Matthews

Bernie really makes it hard to take him seriously this time around. He just regurgitated that crap insistently on CNN just now. I think I'm gonna barf. I wish he would stop it.

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@CB Schiff has already promised that, and more investigations have already been launched or are in the preparation phase for launching.

Nothing matters anymore except to get Trump. Dems have gone bonkers.

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@dfarrah

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/schiff-dems-absolutely-take-doj-to-cour...

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@dfarrah
The ‘Left’ is out of control and are sucking all the oxygen out of the room with their continuous attempts at displacing and destroying Trump.

My first question I’d ask that google eyed SOB is “When are people on the left going to start going to jail for lying to Congress?”

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

@Amanda Matthews Yeah, and of course their misplaced focus means they don't focus on any other part of their jobs.

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@Amanda Matthews

or when he's going to have a discussion with congress about his time working as a foreign lobbyist in Ukraine? Both he and Manafort forgot to register as foreign lobbyists and both of them were involved with the previous president of Ukraine before Obama threw him out on his buttocks.

Is Mueller protecting Podesta because of the Clintons? Inquiring minds and all.

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@snoopydawg

Democratic side. Emails, servers, Abedin sending everything home to Weiner for Weiner to copy when Weiner had no clearance; Podesta and his brother, etc. And Comey sure ignored the law. Well, not totally. He tacitly admitted that Hillary broke one law, but said that one is never enforced!

Comey and Mueller may have been the two referred to in the following sentence: "For every Democrat we lose {because of going further and further right), we'll pick up two Republicans."

(That prediction was probably right at least three times.)

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@HenryAWallace

should have been enough to send her butt to prison. There were classified information on the ones found on it, but the real kicker is that every one of her emails going back to before she was SOS were on it and the NY FBI office has them. They wanted to come forward and disclose that information and that's why Comey wrote the letter to congress that she says cost her the election.

The FBI agents that saw her emails said that they made them sick because they have kids. This should tell you what type of information are on them. Comey, McCabe and Rosenstein knew about them for over a month before Comey closed the case and he told congress that he only looked at them a week before. Huber's report disclosed that information and much more and she still got off.

Strzok changed the wording in Comey's report from grossly negligent to whatever he said she did. No intent my ass. Just using her private email server showed her intent to hide them.

BTW. Whatever happened to the information that the FBI took from the Clinton's foundation office in Little Rock? Hmm? Someone took the information about her foundation from a whistleblowers house even though it was in the FBIs hands already. Cover up?

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@snoopydawg

that Hillary was protected from any criminal charges, poor thing, just as Susan McDougal went to jail rather than answer three questions about Bubba in connection with Whitewater. As Trump said when he let his followers know he was going to nothing about Hillary, "She suffered enough."

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Which is to say: (a) I don't think he will refuse to leave the White House and (b) I think people in media and a good number of Democrats have been creating boogeymen about Trump for no honest reason.

On the remote to nonexistent chance that he does refuse to leave, I'm sure it will be taken care of by one or more of: the White House Staff; the Secret Service; the D.C. Police; Seal Team 6 and the rest of the U.S. military.*

Trump raises too many real concerns for people in media to be making up stuff.

*ETA: If all else fails, there's always that lone gunman, acting alone. Maybe they'll even finally parole Sirhan Sirhan.

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of desperation is getting pretty strong with the media.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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@Amanda Matthews

...of turning on Mueller like packs of wild dogs.

I think Mueller's investigation report will be released to Congress by the DOJ, but not the parts related to Trump's collusion with Putin or any other Russian entity.

Because there was no collusion.
Nor is there evidence of Russia hacking the DNC server.
Nor is there evidence of Russia working with Assange.

Those items will be redacted.

Charges against Roger Stone will be dismissed.

Will Mueller mention the criminal entanglement of the FBI, the DOJ, the FISA Court, the Obama Administration, and the UK in his report to the DOJ. He might. Those passages will be redacted, as well.

Cohen will serve his time.
Manafort will be pardoned at some point.
Butina will be deported.
Venezuela will be invaded.
There will be many retirements and resignations.
Americans will continue to believe that Russia is meddling in their elections.

'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled'

My prediction.

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