I got banned today by the Big Orange Thingy

Submitted by RantingRooster on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 2:12pm

I wrote a diary last night and set it to auto publish at 8am this morning. Everything went as planned. Within an hour my diary was on the rec list. I left the house around 11:30am to go protest with MoveOn.Org at Senator Cruz's office here in Dallas, took some pictures, hung out for a while and then came back home, excited to write a new diary about protesting Senator Cruz. (I really despise Cruz).

Well, I get home, log in, check on the status of my morning diary and wow, it shot up the rec list and even got a hotlist, and was re-blogged by several different groups. (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/21/1504173/-Manufacturing-Consent...)

It looks like there's a lively discussion going on but since I'm banned I can not participate. Ya know, it's not that I got banned per say, it's that I do not know why, nor even get a warning. Maybe this diary was the one that did it, but just took a few days for it to get through to Kos. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/16/1502305/-No-I-Will-Not-Yield-Th...

Have a great day and I'll post a new essay here about our protest at Senator Cruz's office earlier this morning. Thank y'all for welcoming me here.

Sincerely,

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#2016 Election #BernieSanders

#banned

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Submitted by CroneWit on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 2:15pm

Congratulations!

Submitted by RantingRooster on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 3:28pm

Thanks!

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Submitted by Steven D on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:41pm

Your banning makes the least sense

which in the upside down is right side up world of the Hillary 24/7 blog means it makes perfect sense.

Their loss.

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Submitted by Miep on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:47pm

Banning Chomsky

makes perfect sense if your agenda is to uphold half of the establishment.

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Submitted by divineorder on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 8:44pm

In a comment apparently the diarist admitted to having

been banned before, and someone asked if was admitting to being a 'zombie' and pointed to this a a reason for banning. I can't keep up with all the reasons....

Apparently this was true? Who knows?

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Submitted by congenitalefty on Tue, 03/22/2016 - 12:21am

Apparently technically true

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1500530/60318833#comment_60318833

but under the circumstances very suspicious. And anyone banned deserves explanation.

This morning's diary was a breath of fresh air. I look forward to more from Ranting Rooster here.

DK has become an awfully petty place.

Submitted by Miep on Tue, 03/22/2016 - 12:36am

The help desk commentary

took to pearl-clutching when this was revealed. I loved RR's response!

The vibe there is just so feudal. If you are banned, you cease to exist. It's as if there isn't any other Internet except for adversaries. And you cannot return with your original handle without falling on your knees and begging forgiveness, if even then.

Of *course* they get trolled. They're an ideal target because they carry on about it so much, and it's big enough that it's not particularly difficult to get back in if you're banned, whether you want to troll them or not.

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Submitted by Unabashed Liberal on Thu, 03/24/2016 - 9:27pm

A hearty 'welcome' to C99P, congenitalefty! That goes

for your beautiful fur baby (avatar), as well!

(Music City) Mollie, C99P & DKos
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Submitted by detroitmechworks on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 2:19pm

How can the peasants be so ungrateful?

Hillary's liason and Kos had a conversation about this just the other day...

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk47saogI8o]

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Submitted by Borkrom on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 3:53pm

Love your thoughts

Detroit great minds think alike, love the visuals.

Submitted by detroitmechworks on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:36pm

There's VERY little Mel Brooks didn't cover.

In his career.

The man was nearly Rabbinical in his efforts to expose injustice and unfairness. Add in the fact that he was funny as hell, and you see why comedy nowadays just doesn't work as well as it used to. There's SO many good targets but nobody's "Allowed" to talk about them.

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Submitted by Borkrom on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:51pm

Agree

However, it takes someone that "gets it" to understand and enjoy this humor. I would put him in the same category as Monty Python.

In both instances, these comedians (groups) understood the events of the day and from a historical stand point made fun of them. It is sad that people today do not understand or take the time to really enjoy this humor. Fortunately for me, I have my sons and cultivated them to understand and get this humor.

Submitted by NonnyO on Thu, 03/24/2016 - 9:10pm

:-) IS, not was... Mel Brooks is still alive!

Mel will be 90 years old on June 28 this year. He is probably one of the top five best of the best of the creative people in this country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Brooks

Sadly, his (2nd) wife is now gone, and Anne Bancroft was one of the best in her day, too, and certainly one of the most beautiful.

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 2:20pm

You are among great company!

Welcome RR! The water here is just fine!!!

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Submitted by RantingRooster on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 3:29pm

Thanks!

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Submitted by shaharazade on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 2:28pm

Boss kos

doesn't want purist Noam Chomsky far lefties running down Hillary the Hun the pre-selected Dem. candidate. His loss is our gain. I like your writing your a intelligent ranting rooster. Welcome and make your self at home. You'll find there are no thought police here and it feels good not to have to self censor. Looking forward to reading you here.

Submitted by RantingRooster on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 3:29pm

Well thank you so much!

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Submitted by dervish on Thu, 03/24/2016 - 11:20pm

I resemble that remark! n/t

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Submitted by Cassiodorus on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 2:31pm

Let's help Markos cut off his nose

to spite his face.

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Submitted by gjohnsit on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 2:43pm

Markos is doing wonders for C99P

We are getting most of the best writers.

Submitted by Cassiodorus on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 3:34pm

Has anyone here welcomed Unitary Moonbat yet?

He's on the memberlist.

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Submitted by shaharazade on Tue, 03/22/2016 - 12:42am

A great history diarist along with his other writing.

Submitted by lunachickie on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 3:56pm

Oh, darn!

I'm so excited, virtually all my favorite writers are here, except for Hunter and Crashing Vor (I thought someone told me CV was here but I haven't seen him?)

And Meteor Blades, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

WTF, I can't believe the Rooster got banned--no explanation and no warning? Sounds like they really did give Trix the banhammer. That's bullshit, s/he'll just swing it against everyone s/he hates, for a reason or not. Total grovelling, power-hungry self-important douchenozzle....

Submitted by Martha Pearce-Smith on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:36pm

Not sure we will see Crashing Vor here...

he seemed to be leaning towards the Clinton camp the last time I read his work. I was very disappointed.

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Submitted by Lisa Lockwood on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 5:06pm

On the one hand, if JtC decides to start banhammering here,

well, aeou just joined

Beware, the circling vase of doom!
And, on the other hand, we've got no way of knowing if he/she is 'following' anyone, do we?? Sort of takes all the fun out of it! /s

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Submitted by PastorAgnostic on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 6:11pm

Vowel man came in as a dove. Seeking "Peace?"

While he enforces the worst of the worst over there.

I am STILL willing to give him a chance. If he ever posts here again.

If not, then some orange-based shyteheel sent him here on a spy and destroy campaign.

Submitted by Martha Pearce-Smith on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 8:31pm

It would not be hard

for someone to just copy the member's list here.

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Submitted by Leu2500 on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:45pm

No; just his alter ego,

Silly rabbit. Trix is still commenting & I double checked, his mojo is fine.

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:54pm

MB has been a member here

for a while and even posted here last night.

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Submitted by PhilJD on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:56pm

Meteor Blades has posted here, as recently as a day or two ago.

Hunter, on the other hand, is married to Elfling...

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Submitted by shaharazade on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 7:40pm

I used to really like

Hunters writing during the Bush regime. Figures he's married to Elffing. Now I don't even bother reading him what a waste of talent. MB is still a good writer even with the current restraints and censorship. I also like Egberto Willies I bet he's going to fly the coup if kos tries to rein him in. I also like Chancy De Vega. I can't believe kos would get rid of MB not even he is that stupid. MacJoan broke my heart I really liked her writing and the issues and policy she once tackled honestly.

The one I absolutely cannot abide is DEO. She is such a phony hypocritical nasty piece of work. She instigated the whole sick white privilege, racist, sexist, identity politics, witch hunting and guilt tripping atmosphere that prevails there to this day. She has a lot of nerve also flashing around her street cred (which I don't believe for a minute) and the trashing black activist's like Cornell West or anybody who dares to actually call out what's going down. She lives in up state NY and teaches (guilt trips) a bunch of white rich kids. I don't have a lot of respect for anyone who preaches victimization and tells you your a racist if you don't toe the racist establishment line. Sorry to go off here. Think I'll exit this thread as I'm getting all riled up just thinking about that cesspool.

Submitted by elenacarlena on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 8:04pm

Well, I like all the people you like, but I also like DEO

I think there's something to the idea that we all have a bit of lingering racist/sexist ideas that are better rooted out.

Look at all the people who think cops aren't that much of a problem, "just do what you're told and you'll be all right". Social scientists have tested black, white, Hispanic, etc people and found that we all retain negative stereotypes of black people.

Look at Hillary, "We should have laws that limit late-term abortion," or Gloria Steinem, "Girls just go to Bernie rallies because that's where the boys are".

We don't want to be racist, sexist, etc., but only when you realize the cultural conditioning is still there in the back of your mind can you root it out. I don't agree with her on every point, but I feel like I learned a lot from Dee.

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Submitted by detroitmechworks on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 8:09pm

No matter what the Dogma is...

Slavishly sticking to it is toxic.

When I can pretty much predict everything a poster will have to say on any subject just by referring to their dogma, I have no reason to read them.

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Submitted by elenacarlena on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 8:23pm

True, but when I first arrived at DKos her viewpoint

and those of the DKos black contingent were not any I had read before, so it was educational. She is repetitive, but I'm sure new people read her all the time.

I have been beyond disappointed that she's all in for Hillary, but that's true of a lot of posters over there who I have respected in general.

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Submitted by TheOtherMaven on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 9:05pm

She's a lot more than "all in" for Hillary

She also proved that she would unquestioningly, unthinkingly, and blindly support and promote any and all lies, smears, and negative views of Bernie Sanders, especially if they originated from another person of color. She recced, supported, and defended the odious Phoenix Woman poison pen diary (and viciously attacked anyone who questioned it) because it cited Dolores Huerta as a source and Saint Dolores wouldn't ever tell a lie. (She was eventually shamed into removing her rec, but it took weeks. And she has never apologized.)

That was beyond unforgivable.

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Submitted by Martha Pearce-Smith on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 9:25pm

I worked a long, long time in

positions in which I became close with police officers... some of them really do want to protect and serve...

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Submitted by Portlaw on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:54pm

Well, I am not a writer but I

Well, I am not a writer but I am a reader so I guess that counts for something!

Submitted by darkmatter on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 8:44pm

Readers make the best writers n/t

Submitted by shaharazade on Thu, 03/24/2016 - 11:13pm

Your comments

are really well written. I always admired your writing.

Submitted by Bollox Ref on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 7:47pm

I wonder if Billmon might make an appearance..

He and Steve Gilliard gave early DKos a real 'ambience'.

One can only hope.

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Submitted by stevej on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 7:50pm

billmon

is very active on Twitter so it may just be possible I guess

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Submitted by glitterscale on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 9:31pm

Best writers

Indeed - very very true! And how much fun it is too to hoist a finger to the wind and say "yep, you might check your nose Kos!"

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Submitted by stevej on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 2:32pm

Bet you are mortified

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Submitted by rmwarnick on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 2:36pm

The straw polls at DKos

The straw polls at DKos pretty consistently indicated 60 percent support for Bernie for months. I wonder what the next one will show, as I and other Bernie supporters are giving the site a time out. It would be interesting to learn how much the traffic has dropped.

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Submitted by shaharazade on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 3:18pm

rmwarnick: This is kind of

an extreme way to freep his primary polls. It's certainly going to leave him with a skewed demographic that is not the one he was going after. this is what happens when you decide issues do not matter and run around guilt trip[ping everybody and calling people 'fucking morons' because they aren't buying the daily, two legs better and 2 minutes of fear and hate.

Submitted by Miss SPED on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 8:02pm

I am not a fucking moron

And I do not deserve to be called that because I will never vote for a pathological liar megalomaniac.

Submitted by vtcc73 on Tue, 03/22/2016 - 2:03am

The preasants

are starting to love their groul, m'lordship. Look how splendidly they've come around to her majesty's inevitability. She'll do magnificently in the election. Number do NOT lie, now, do they?

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Submitted by PhilJD on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 5:03pm

Love their gruel!? Can't have that! Next thing you know, they'll

think their lords give a rat's ass about their welfare. Then they'll want moremoremore!

Have a quiet word with the gruel-chef; we'll give 'em moremoremore! More water, more grit, and oh, about that rat's ass...

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 6:52pm

rat's ass

Have a quiet word with the gruel-chef; we'll give 'em moremoremore! More water, more grit, and oh, about that rat's ass...

Is that rat tart? Disgusting!!

[video:https://youtu.be/UO0ZjJm-FPk width:560 height:315]

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Submitted by Cali Scribe on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 11:39pm

Secretary of Health and Human Development:

Sheriff of Nottingham

Submitted by Shahryar on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 6:37pm

there will be NO more straw polls there

because the race is "over"

Submitted by detroitmechworks on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 6:39pm

Ah, C'mon, I can see one that they'll do...

How Badly Will Hillary Beat Trump?

1. Enough
2. MORE than enough
3. He will get exactly ZERO Votes
4. She will beat him so badly it will be like he never ran at all!

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Submitted by SeaTurtle on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 6:39pm

take a look at the DK tracking...

https://www.quantcast.com/p-94z2SIg8PaHLI#/trafficCard

Interesting to note that the site is going down since Super Tuesday....

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Submitted by Cali Scribe on Tue, 03/22/2016 - 12:11am

Looking at the demographics

The site skews older, richer, well educated, and male -- pretty much Hillary's base.

Not much room for us blue collar union families.

Submitted by vtcc73 on Tue, 03/22/2016 - 2:02am

Holy shit!

That's me! Have I made a horrid mistake?

Not bloody likely!!!

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Submitted by themis on Tue, 03/22/2016 - 1:48pm

Does that mean I have to go back?

Please don't make me go back...

I'm everything in the list except male, but I'm union too! Can I stay? Pretty please??

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Submitted by JayRaye on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 2:39pm

Boss Kos's loss is our gain!

Welcome, RR!

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Submitted by RantingRooster on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 3:31pm

Thank you

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Submitted by PastorAgnostic on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 3:54pm

Hey Jay, say that in HAIKU, please!

Bet it will read nicely.

Submitted by JayRaye on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:30pm

OK PastorA, I'm game: HAIKU Poem for the Rooster-

C99 thrives;
Boss Koss's loss is our gain.
Welcome home, RR!

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Submitted by PhilJD on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 5:13pm

I went through my own haiku phase over there, mostly in reply

to a finger-wagging, pedantic and tedious--but oddly prominent--meta-warrior who used to post them himself (and now claims, against all the evidence, to be a "reasonable" Sanders supporter, showing solidarity via constant nagging.) My favorite, which proved to be quite versatile:

Another strawman
Guarding the empty spaces
You call ideas

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Submitted by JayRaye on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 8:20pm

This is very nice Phil

And good poetry too. What Haiku really should be.

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 10:24pm

new haiku

banhammer swings
Boss Kos's loss is our gain!
Bye bye, fatass!

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Submitted by detroitmechworks on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 10:30pm

Can I play?

Always love fun writing prompts...

For long did I write
In fear of the total loss
of the right to write

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Submitted by Miep on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 10:33pm

Nudder one

After composing
An obligatory slap
Upon my work's face.

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Submitted by UntimelyRippd on Tue, 03/22/2016 - 1:54am

and another:

bad faith, good advice
a swing and a miss, the door
fans my derriere

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Submitted by UntimelyRippd on Tue, 03/22/2016 - 1:47am

In all my years and comments on dKos, I never

gave much of a fuck about getting credit for anything I ever wrote, but now that it's all in the past I just have to give in to my vanity and brag that your sigline is Puddytat's rendering of an idea I wrote there last June ... she nominated it for TC, one of maybe a half-dozen times I ever made that grade. mostly, i'm singularly proud of it because it succinctly says almost everything i have to say in rebuttal to every lame party-faithful effort to blame those darned voters for not, you know, voting, rather than blaming the party elite for not, you know, giving the voters something to vote for.

Puddytat saynotohypocrisy Jun 24 · 01:18:16 PM
Because the party leadership has been abysmal. Outside of issuing press releases and daily fundraising appeals, they do nothing.

We have new leadership now. Hopefully, they'll work with grassroots organizations and create a better activist network throughout the state. And, hopefully, they'll stop with the corporate Democrat nonsense and start promoting the progressive values that are at the heart of Wisconsin.

You don't motivate the vote sitting in an office issuing press releases and "statements". You do it by being active throughout the state and listening to and engaging the voters.

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UntimelyRippd Puddytat Jun 24 · 04:45:40 PM
It's funny, when a corporation goes into a tailspin because people aren't interested in their products, nobody argues that the problem is lazy customers.

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Puddytat UntimelyRippd Jun 24 · 06:55:52 PM
What a great analogy
Sent to Top Comments.

Three days later she linked the comment in the diary where she formulated your sig (i deleted the link, cuz ... well ... you know):

When half or more of eligible voters stay home, they are not the problem. They just don't like the products on display. When I go to the grocery store and see a choice between crap cereal and shit cereal, I'm not buying cereal. It's not my problem, it's the cereal makers' problem.

There was a recent fine comment that noted that a failing business doesn't blame lazy customers for not showing up. Political parties and candidates could take a lesson from that and improve their products.

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Submitted by 2andfro on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 2:42pm

Wear the ban hammer proudly

It has fallen on some of the best, brightest, and bravest. Even Tasini got a time out (hope that pushes him to stop posting his free content there). That place now has the feel of what I read about Kristallnacht. My family came from shtetls, not German intelligentsia and bourgeoisie, but the wariness of rampaging mobs and mob mentality is transmitted through the generations, I think. Internet bullying and HRC flagging packs are merely a modern manifestation. Welcome.

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Submitted by PhilJD on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 6:42pm

Color me naive I guess; I truly didn't think that site

would be stupid enough to sanction Jonathan Tasini. I sent Jonathan a message earlier today:

"I guess you can't read this message until your [site name redacted in the interest of good taste] "timeout" is over Jonathan... When you do see it, let me be the latest to urge you to transfer your posts and your considerable prestige to an active and growing site where you won't be subject to kindergarten-level "punishment" for your refusal to submit to the demands of the mob and self-censor: http://caucus99percent.com/.
Solidarity,
Phil"

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Submitted by detroitmechworks on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 3:49pm

And yet a jackass like R.A. Salvatore

Is nearly treated like a god over there.

In this ONE case, it's bizarre to me. Never cared for his work, and his political opinions seem to match his fictional character's obsession with "Poor Me, I'm totally misunderstood and oppressed despite being totally overpowered."

Sorry, will get off my soapbox.

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Submitted by PhilJD on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 8:39pm

Heh. Years before I'd ever heard of that site. I was well aware

of what a truly bad writer Salvatore is; just jaw-droppingly inept. Tired hackneyed plots, woodenly expressed... what's not to loathe? I might try to overlook his centrist politics if I admired his writing; as it is though, I can blithely stroll through my days without even a drop of cognitive dissonance.

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Submitted by detroitmechworks on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:12pm

Only writer whose politics I overlook...

Is Larry Niven.
And only his earlier stuff. His later stuff got SO blatant about its Right Wing/authoritarian slant that I can't stomach it.

As far as Salvatore goes, I put him in the same category as Gygax. (Would read if there was literally NOTHING else in the house.)

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Submitted by michelewln on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 5:28pm

Larry Niven

My one and only encounter with him turned me totally off of his books. I don't care if he is considered a good writer it doesn't give you the right to make advances towards someone especially when it was very clear I was with another gentleman.

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Submitted by detroitmechworks on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 6:14pm

Ack... Sorry to hear that.

I never had the (dis)pleasure of meeting the man.

However, that kind of arrogance does explain quite a bit about his character's actions in later books.

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Submitted by TheOtherMaven on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 9:17pm

IMHO Jerry Pournelle was a bad influence on Niven

Pournelle's politics, if I recall correctly, are somewhere to the far right of Attila the Hun. And the increasing right-wing authoritarian slant in Niven's writing appears to date from approximately the period he started collaborating with Pournelle.

An old acquaintance of mine summed up their collaboration thusly:

Larry and Jerry were authors,
Both of them thought they could write.
Opened a bottle one morning,
Kept on drinking all through the night,
Said "Let's write a book
And let's make it lo-ong!"

Jerry set up the typewriter,
Larry set up some more drinks.
Jerry set up the plot outline,
Larry read it and he said, "It stinks!
But it's sure to sell,
So let's make it lo-ong!"

Larry said, "Put in some sex scenes!"
Jerry said, "Colonize space!"
Larry said, "Put in some women!"
Jerry answered, "If they know their place,
They can join our book -
They'll help make it lo-ong!

Larry and Jerry got published,
Got on the best-seller list,
Didn't get voted a Hugo
And our boys were really pissed -
Said "Them fans is creeps,
And their hair's too lo-ong!"

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Submitted by detroitmechworks on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 9:32pm

Could NEVER finish a Pournelle solo work.

Just so... ugh. "King David's Spaceship" just HURT to read.
If you're going to DESTROY the universe that actually kinda worked in "Mote in God's Eye", at least give me a head's up so I don't have to watch it burn...

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Submitted by PhilJD on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 9:46pm

I dunno. Politically Pournelle may have been a bad

influence on Niven--I'll take your word for that--but I think A Mote in God's Eye is a masterpiece, a modern classic neither ever came close to duplicating alone. I find Pournelle alone to be workmanlike but dull, and Niven alone to be too wildly fanciful to convince me to suspend my disbelief. For once, co-authorship (not to be confused with codominium, lol) allowed each to contribute his own strengths while mostly negating the other's weaknesses.

IMO obviously, but I just last year reread Mote for probably the third time, so it's fresh in my mind and I know I'm not misremembering my own take on the book.

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Submitted by detroitmechworks on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 9:43pm

Lucifer's Hammer though...

Oy, that one was such an embrace of authoritarianism it was ludicrous. Relied on so many straw men to make its points about the left it's insulting. Add on "Fallen Angels" and it gets pretty embarrassing, IMHO.

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Submitted by Bisbonian on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 9:48pm

I just re-read Lucifer's Hammer about a year ago.

My favorite characters were the guy who saved a bunch of important books in ziploc bags in his septic tank, and the mailman. I had taken things into my life from both of them. I was completely floored by the 1%er guy with all the land and guns that ended up being the "hero"...somehow I forgot all about him the first time through (decades ago).

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Submitted by detroitmechworks on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 9:50pm

Sorry, but the one thing that REALLY bugged me

about that one was that they did everything they could to justify the "heroes" using chemical weapons on the "Bad Guys".

That was just sick.

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Submitted by PhilJD on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 9:52pm

Yeah. I reread Lucifer last year too.

I liked it when it first came out, but reading it now I was like what the fuck were you thinking Phil; how could you not see what a rightwing racist piece of caca this is? It's competent enough as a story if you give it no thought at all, but I'm not willing to suspend my politics along with my disbelief. I guess my expectations were different the first time around.

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Hillary Clinton 2016: I'm a proud progmoderate!

Submitted by Bisbonian on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 9:53pm

Wasn't there a sequel to "Mote"?

I seem to remember it being chiefly about exterminating little brown creatures who reproduced too quickly. Ugghh.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

Submitted by detroitmechworks on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 9:56pm

Yup, complete with...

Humans who smuggled them out despite the superior wisdom of the folks who built a border wall.

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Submitted by PhilJD on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 10:04pm

Yeah. I reread the Mote sequel last year too, right after

reading Mote again. The Gripping Hand. It's nowhere near as good, though not awful, viewed solely as a story-- it felt like they forced a different book from a different universe into the somewhat contorted form of a mismatched sequel. And double yeah... let's just say its racial politics are a bit problematic...

I guess in the end I only really value Mote of all their joint works, but that I like a LOT and always will.

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Submitted by stevej on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 3:57pm

I suspect that

if anyone else other than Jonathan had written that diary they would have been skull and cross-boned. Suspect the timeout was an act of cowardice on the part of site management to avoid embarrassing blowback and accusations of censorship. (due to Tasini being well known outside of Kos world).

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 5:06pm

Bingo

I wrote my comment below before I read yours.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by stevej on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 7:05pm

Great minds... n/t

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Submitted by gulfgal98 on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 5:05pm

Actually kos was covering his back side with that one

When Tasini's last diary was compared to greywolfe's or to the video New Minas posted, it was far more negative toward Clinton. Markos had to enforce his edict. Markos realized that if he banned Tasini, it would probably hit the media eventually, so he punted and put Tasini into time out. It really does not matter because what Markos is doing is censoring based upon a subjective measure. It is really hypocritical for a supposedly Democratic site to censor its users and require them to censor themselves when it comes to Hillary Clinton. It is stupid and short sighted. I hope Tasini raises a stink about it in the media.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by angel d on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 8:29pm

Which brings me to a question

I really don't want to log on to DailyKos anymore, even though I like to see, post-edict Bernie diaries dominate the rec list. But I did today to rec the latest BNR. I saw that Mark Ruffalo tweeted Liepar's BNR but it links to DKos.

I thought I tweeted to MR that DKOS is banning Bernie supporters, but perhaps I did not complete the tweet because I don't see a record of it. But any way, I'm glad it didn't go through because I don't want to take any attention away from LD's BNR wherever it is posted!

So ... I hope he posts it here, and then we can tweet Mark Ruffalo the BNR's new address. We can still rec it at TOP to keep it on the rec list every day, but I hate to see Ruffalo tweet dkos links because other Bernie supporters will show up, get banned and then forget about Liepar's awesome BNR.

Pardon typos, I'm lying down in the dark and can't see very well. I guess I need reading glasses. Durrrrnit!

Submitted by Caerus on Mon, 03/21/2016 - 3:58pm

Tasini

That's absurd. Really. A time out. TOP has turned into elementary school
Hope he comes here

I got banned today by the Big Orange Thingy

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