The Wound Has Been Reopened

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As the world knows by now, Hillary Clinton lit her credibility on fire last week in an interview with Mrs. Alan Greenspan:

“It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about H.I.V./AIDS back in the 1980s,” Mrs. Clinton, who was attending Mrs. Reagan’s funeral in Simi Valley, Calif., told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell. “And because of both President and Mrs. Reagan – in particular, Mrs. Reagan – we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it. Nobody wanted anything to do with it.”

She then tried to minimize the furor her outrageous lie caused by claiming she “misspoke,” and pretended she had meant their work on Alzheimer’s disease and stem cell research. Which she also mentioned in the interview, unfortunately for her.

“While the Reagans were strong advocates for stem cell research and finding a cure for Alzheimer’s disease, I misspoke about their record on H.I.V. and AIDS,” she said in a statement about two hours after her interview had been shown on MSNBC. “For that, I’m sorry.”

Sec. Clinton has been widely criticized for this statement, as well as for the “apology.” She has been predictably defended by her partisans, citing irrelevant Clinton Foundation work, making insulting false equivalency charges against her opponent, claiming that the problem is really sexism (the last refuge of a cornered Clintonite), telling us we just mustn't speak of it, pleading for sympathy because she must have been "tired," and of course by simple head-up-the-ass denial. Outraged commentary is appearing in many quarters, elsewhere we find mystification. And of course some concerned folks are advising us to get over it.

Well, we will not just get over it.

Back in the Day

In 1987 the late investigative reporter Randy Shilts published And the Band Played On, a comprehensive account of the AIDS crisis to that point from his gay male perspective. (He did give short shrift to Haitians and heterosexual IV drug users, but the book was partly personal testimonial in addition to reporting.) It is still perhaps the best single account of the horrors of the day, the malevolent political response, and the sometimes heroic and sometimes venal medical community response. The teevee movie was nice, but if you really want to know what it was like you should read Shilts’ book. It gives a true picture of what it was like to live in his home of San Francisco in that day. I know, I was a part of that community.

I was born in San Francisco and grew up in a suburb 20 miles away. When I was a child, gay men were ostracized and persecuted, subject to arrest merely for gathering, and often hounded to suicide. They had no voice and no political agency. But San Francisco offered a haven of sorts in those days, as it did to many outcast communities. In the latter 1960’s the changing culture crystallized in the Haight-Ashbury, where social prejudices and restrictions were joyfully burned in a counter-cultural explosion. One of the residual effects of that brief detonation was a new community of out gay men and Lesbians, determined to live their lives in the open and to refuse to accept the oppression of straight society and religious authorities. It started slow, but it gathered pace. By the mid-1970’s the Castro was one of a few locations (“ghettoes” in our parlance of the day) where this new gay consciousness was aborning.

I moved there as a fresh faced college grad in 1977 after many previous dabblings, eager to escape my suffocating suburb and closeted fear. It was a magical time, when the world was fresh and new. It was our own Summer of Love. Gay men and Lesbians flocked there from across the country, as they also flocked to Greenwich Village and West Hollywood and a few other safe zones. We began to find political voice under the leadership of the flawed but brilliant Harvey Milk. We built community. I joined a short lived National Gay Educational Switchboard to give gay people from across the country resources, advice and counseling. Cleve Jones was one of my coworkers. One of our most important services was suicide crisis counseling. We saved many lives. Then shots rang out. Harvey Milk and our ally Mayor George Moscone were dead. The phone rang. “Come to the Castro. We’re going to have a memorial for Harvey and George, and walk to City Hall.” So I went, bringing a candle without thinking twice. That night was one of the most moving events of my life.

Not long after that night I was accepted into medical school, and moved a couple of hours away. My carefree gay life was over, and I went into what I referred to as the nunnery. Shortly after starting my studies, a very disturbing issue of the New England Journal of Medicine arrived, detailing an unusual cancer and a rare pneumonia in gay men and IV drug users. “Uh oh,” I thought. The nightmare of AIDS had begun. I watched with horror as my friends started to die, and lay awake nights wondering if I would be next.

The press of studies left little time for reflection or fear, and far too little to be there to help my friends who needed so much help. I attended memorial services when I could, and talked on the phone to panicked friends, offering what little knowledge I had and what little comfort there was. I began talking to professors, and found interested ones in the head of our Infectious Disease department and the director of the primate research center. I’d already made friends with a couple of gay downtown docs who were the go-to guys for scared gay men and local IV drug users. I helped bring all these parties together, and spoke with the school administrators. Together we established the first AIDS clinic at my medical school. It was the first time I’d ever made the local news. My studies continued, and I planned to come back to join my downtown mentors once I finished training.

I went to Boston for medical residency, where the environment was different. An academic center, Boston was full of researchers jostling to get in on the hot new topic, eager for patients for their studies. Nothing worked, but the focus was on statistics and papers. The human response was not the same as I’d remembered from my days in San Francisco, although there were many heroic volunteers and friends doing their best to help the sick and dying. So in 1987 I went back to San Francisco for 3 months in my senior residency year, to work and learn at San Francisco General Hospital’s Ward 86: the AIDS ward.

In San Francisco the community had rallied unbelievably. Gay men were spending most of their time caring for each other. Lesbian women were central to the response, although the communities were previously not that close. The hardened opposition to the gay community in the police department, the Catholic church and the conservative neighborhoods was even beginning to soften. But only because of the unspeakable, overwhelming horror of a deadly plague. I met gentle geniuses like Paul Volberding. Driven egomaniacs like Don Abrams. The most dedicated nurses and hospital staff I have ever seen anywhere. And volunteers who seemingly had descended from heaven to help. It was, as the gay writer Richard Rodriguez once observed, a medieval Procession of the Saints. There was also the chance to catch up with old friends, the few who remained. The hollow eyes, the bone-weary exhaustion, the chronic debilitating fear, the weight loss, the purple spots — all these things told me what the war was like. I realized how very lucky I had been to be called to the nunnery when I was. It was a city under seige, the enemy at the gates and going nowhere, with the residents dying and starving and coming very close to losing hope.

I went on with my career, which was rocky at the start. My mentors from medical school had both died themselves, and there was no office to join. I drifted for a while, until I moved to Cape Cod where AIDS was a real and present threat. I interviewed there, and met and fell in love with a man with AIDS. So instead of working I stopped to take care of him. A year or so later, he stopped breathing in my arms. There was a large memorial service in Boston — his brother was #3 in the Boston Fire Department, so everybody from the mayor and the Speaker of the State House on down were there. I gave the eulogy, and left not a dry eye in the house. At the Irish wake afterward, my dead lover’s fire chief brother brought me over to meet his best friend. They had been in Vietnam together. His friend had a question:

"Have you lost a lot of friends to AIDS?”

“Yeah. I stopped counting years ago at 65. I didn’t want to count anymore.”

“I don’t mean this to sound insensitive, but does it ever get any easier? Not when it’s your lover, I mean — please forgive me. But do you ever find it gets easier?”

I looked at his eyes and saw in them genuine curiosity and empathy. “No,” I said. “It gets harder. Everybody you lose takes a piece of your heart with them, and after a while your heart gets so tattered and threadbare it’s hard to hold together anymore. That’s one reason why I loved Brian. I wanted to try to patch my heart together again.”

He looked at me for a long moment. “Yeah, I thought so. That’s what it was like in Nam.” He gave me a big hug, we cried some, and in the best Irish wake tradition we downed a pint together.

I then took that job and started caring for the community, and did so for 11 years. During that time the first (sort-of) effective treatments began to emerge, and suddenly my patients weren’t dying at the rates they had been. There was hope, though it was often illusory for people who had gotten too sick. And the battle began to turn.

During these years the Reagans had ruled in Washington, presiding over the Return of the Billionaires. Greed was good. The country was in self-congratulatory mode, and the Reagan prosperity was heavily propagandized. But I knew — all of us knew — that Ronnie was ignoring our plague. He and his cronies laughed at our deaths. Liz Taylor shamed him into uttering the word “AIDS” only in 1985, after over 20,000 people had died. He didn’t give a speech on the subject — inadequate as it was — until May of 1987. Imagine if Barack Obama had presided over 7 years of an Ebola plague which killed over 40,000 Americans without giving a speech on it — even now. Research budgets were promised and cut. Rich people needed their tax cuts, after all. Nancy Reagan was commonly understood to be Ronnie’s Svengali, as everybody with eyes to see knew he was demented. We knew exactly where she stood.

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In the years since those days things have gotten slowly better. I survived. I have a wonderful husband now. And Brian’s ashes still sit in a tasteful red art glass urn on the mantel — the ones we didn’t scatter on a beach in Provincetown, anyway. Life has gone on, for me. But the losses and the scars and the fear and the malign neglect of the powerful from those days are right under the surface of my daily reality. My friends are still gone. Brian’s still on the mantel. And my heart still feels like it’s going to come apart sometimes.

I remember. Many of us remember. We will not forget. And as long as power tramples the powerless, and people die of neglect while champagne glasses clink in the halls of the powerful, we will not forgive. And when any try to minimize or deny what the powerful have done, you damn well better believe I’ll be there too. I owe it to my departed friends, and to their suffering.

[Reposted from Daily Kos, 3/12/2016]

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Please forgive the delay in reposting. It was painful to do the first time, but the Hillary apologetics over there demanded witness.

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It is such a worthwhile read; it would be ashamed for anyone to miss it.

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Though it's painful to read (and must have been deeply painful to remember and to write), it's important. Good to see you here, Dallasdoc.

Not directly relevant to the subject of this essay, except about why another Clinton presidency is a bad idea, this 3-minute video posted at reddit is very clear: https://video-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xtf1/v/t43.1792-2/12808316_2422...

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

But the pain is as nothing compared with living it. A casual Kosbuddy commented at the end, that it was the first diary in his eight years there that had made him cry. I responded with a summing up of the experience the diary gave me:

Thank you for commenting, my friend. And thank you for your tears. We are at our best when we feel each others’ pain and joy, most connected to life. And sometimes life sucks, and sometimes it ends. But for those of us who remain, the pain tells us we’re alive.

In a sense I suppose I should be grateful for Hillary Clinton’s cleated boot on my face. It has put me in touch with so many others who feel the pain I feel, just beneath the surface and sometimes right on top. I hope this diary provides some catharsis for people who were hurting from her stupid lie. And I hope it provides some education for people whose history was blissfully free of this horror. You don’t know how lucky you were.

This episode is a grim and painful reminder of what politics is really about. It’s not about who wins an election. It’s about who lives and who dies. Those are the stakes.

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the stakes seem to be higher than ever. I wish more people understood that.

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I'm sure that it was difficult to even repost these powerful words here at caucus99%, let alone writing and publishing them at dKos in the first place. I, for one, am so glad you did, Dr. Mensch. Glad to be here with those whose values I share, whose opinions I respect.

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

It's like coming home after a long dark walk in a big scary jungle.

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Wins and losses aren't about abstract statistics, they're about people and everyone and everything they touch across a lifetime, whatever the length. Memory is a blessing and a curse, but if we think it's better to forget, the unique horrors of Alzheimer's suggest otherwise.

Truly, we are all in this together. Things can change when enough of us realize and act on that fact.

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

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... and insensitivity during the 1980s, a period during which tens of thousands died without anyone in his administration expressing any sorrow or empathy for the victims.

Perhaps the better definition of his AIDS policy would be criminal negligence.

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A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma

The criminality of the powerful is something we have become far too inured to.

Thanks, JnH. You are a marvel of appropriate illustration, in addition to being a wise and literate friend.

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a local talk show host played "Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead" from The Wizard of Oz. I think he got suspended for a show or two but it was understandable as he lost his partner to AIDS several years back while Ronnie was silent. I remember the silence, and the pages of obituaries in the Bay Area Reporter when the future Mr. Scribe and I would pick up a copy up in SF.

(Would love to know which SF suburb you had to suffer through growing up -- I was down the Peninsula in Palo Alto, practically in the shadow of "Hoover's Last Erection" though 4 years behind you -- I graduated from high school in '77.)

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Northern Marin county, decidedly not the Marvelous part but a safe and quiet home my working-class parents could afford.

I held a party in Provincetown for friends and patients when Reagan died. Nobody felt the need to observe any false feelings of respect. That was the last word any of us would ever apply to the evil old bastard. Oh God, the BAR obituaries. For years in Boston, I'd go to the gay bookshop to pick up the BAR and look for friends. Boston's pages were fewer, but they still contained far too many friends too.

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Over there and now Here!
Thank you so much for this….Reagan was a nightmare, and us Bay Area lefties knew it from Day 1. Although a bit younger than you and not gay, at an early age I too left Novato for SF. Haha, because duh, we know why Wink Polk St or the Castro was thee place to go for fun/creative/like-minded people in the late 70s early 80s. For myself, I worked in Union Square's hotel and travel industry and lost so many friends and co workers over the years...I never could bring myself to tally the devastating losses. My poor roommates/friends/loved ones who worked with AIDS patients unknowingly had to cope with PTSD and almost zero support/respect meanwhile laying the ground work/activism calling for political intervention. I specifically blame the Reagans and their ongoing message of denial for causing horrendous pain and suffering to the very people who deserved focused compassion and funding.
Anyways, good to see a homie here and thanks for doing what you do.

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There are sins of commission and sins of omission. It really does not matter which type they are. They are still sins. The Reagans' sins of omission carried with them a very high cost to those harmed by their sins.

Thank you for sharing this very emotional and personal essay with us, doc. (((hugs)))

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

“A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury.”
― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

But I'll have to find time to reread it one of these days. The Nineteenth Century was so much more eloquent and honest than subsequent ones have been.

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I believe that the sins of omission are worse. Those are from people who saw a wrong and did nothing about it.

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for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Edmund Burke

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prosecuting documented Wall St. fraud. What he and the Justice Dept. officials who serve at his pleasure chose not to do. Campaign contributions, anyone?

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The trip to piss on his grave is coming up this year and youtube video will be posted.

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http://surviveaplague.com/

Having seen this movie, and understanding the plight of those afflicted, i was completely enraged with Hillary's distortion of history, although I imagine it earned points at the ceremony. Think of it, Hillary misremembering Reagans' legacy in his favor. It's almost Orwellian.

These fighters for being recognized as human beings before the government, these original activists, these people were up against it! I think their successes speak for themselves, and we should look to the gay community for leadership in activism. I just haven't seen a better model, #OWS notwithstanding.

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Bernie is a win-win.

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and I've cried again.

Bless you for all you do and have done. And thank you for setting the record straight. Shared to Face Book.

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I posted something similar. The front page noted it two days later.

Really is was kind of a serious example of just how irrelevant KOS is to left of center politics. It really is an adjunct of the party now - those who joined thinking it was somewhere where we could talk about a different politics now sense, I think, its irrelevance.

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I omitted most of the citations of reactions from this repost, but I've restored yours. Thank you for writing what you did. Yours was one of the influences that motivated me to write this.

DK has clearly decided to become a center-right site, even though most of the participants still somewhat comically think of themselves as liberal or progressive. Unfortunately, in today's political environment, being liberal on social wedge issues while supporting neo-liberal establishment Dems does not qualify as either.

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I was spellbound when I read it over at that other place. Good to see it here.

Good to see you here as well.

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What drives me absolutely insane is that apparently this too has been forgiven...
All the doublespeak and non-apologies, followed by a self aggrandizing statement...
And it just went away.

It's true.

Silence DOES Equal Death.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

And life is stable for you and yours.

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And please do stay here and play!

"Hillary Central" doesn't deserve the likes of you!

Smile

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

RL has been pretty demanding. But I plan to spend most of my time on political blogs here rather than there henceforth. I find myself increasingly bitter when I visit that place.

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that you are here.

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Once you do it, the advantages will far outweigh whatever you use to get there. You can relax and speak your mind here. Over there, you can lurk, observe the mental patients, read whatever tidbits of interest still remain, and watch the stress fade away.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

But increasingly I feel like Margaret Mead among the Samoans, observing the unfamiliar culture with a certain clinical curiosity. Mixed with no small amount of resentment at the betrayal by the owner.

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that this place is where will be where you can spend your very limited time, doc.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

How can I do otherwise?

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Hope you stay.
Hope those wounds are starting to heal and scarring will be minimal.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

But they can close and stop bleeding. People who don't bear such wounds don't always seem to realize what it is like to live with them. And the callousness of those who ignored these wounds in the reflexive rush to defend their candidate's lie is one of the most dispiriting things I've seen in my online political life.

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and relatives and clients, but was working crazy hours and days and really didn't know the political shit the Reagan administration was doing with regard to AIDS. Those years, I didn't have time to read a newspaper or watch tv. Hillary's lie would have gotten past me if not for you and the others who knew the truth.
But Hillary fucking well knew.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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That just don't get how hurtful her words were and how they ripped open so many of our wounds.
Just yesterday I was in a conversation with one of her supporters that insisted that she apologized twice and that she should be forgiven for her 'mistake'. And then tried to say that I was accusing her of pandering to the conservative base. I have no idea if that is why she said that statement.
There was no reason for her to even bring up the AIDS epidemic when she was talking about those two creeps.
Andrea didn't set her up to answer the question that way.
Good lord, even some of the people who lost friends or family member to it gave her a pass on it. One person told me to fuck off in every way possible. And got 25 recs for her comment.
I agree with you that those who rushed to defend her lie was dispiriting and callous.
But I also think that many of her defenders used to be against Bush's actions but once Obama and Hillary during her time as SOS were doing the same things, they supported them for some ungodly reason
I can't understand how people can pretzelize their thought processes like try do. And they don't see the irony.

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I read your post on DK. Thank you. I was born in 1974 and missed a lot of the early discussion, or lack thereof, on AIDS. Even then, with all the hushed silence around it, I was aware of it by high school in my sheltered, small town in the late 80s. One of my first volunteer jobs was staffing an AIDS hotline and handing out free condoms -- which prompted my mom, bless her heart (in a good way), to declare that she would support and love us kids if we were gay. I was not, but the message was clear: we don't turn our backs on people who need support and love, we give it to them. That was pretty much her guiding philosophy. I was woefully naive about sex and reliable information on HIV was still emerging even then, but I helped where I could. The fear, though, completely shaped my youth and that of my friends (hetero and gay). I remember the fear, and I will never forget: Silence = Death.

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thank you for reposting here.

most of all, thank you for standing up and bearing witness to one of the great tragedies of our times in the face of the political denial machine that would like to hide the inhumanity of the political class behind a curtain of lies.

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I must bear witness for those who can't. It's a survivor's duty.

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Good to see you here, Dallasdoc. An excellent posting that goes along with my current reading, Victor Klemperer's, compelling I Will Bear Witness, A Diary of the Nazi Years, from 1933 to 1945. Klemperer, a Jew married to an Aryan, loses his job as a professor, has his house taken, and his typewriter, forced to wear the yellow star, and hide his mss safely so that he will not be deported or killed outright. He remarked that "It's not the big things that are important to me but the everyday life of tyranny which gets forgotten."

Glad you survived to bear witness.

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The rewriting of history is something to behold, isn't it?

I am so glad to see so many friendly faces here, including DD. I cried when I read this post over at GOS, and am glad to see it here, Doc, thanks for reposting it (((hugs)))

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Thanks for sharing this. Great to see you here!

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I still remember you "uncloaking" in my previous diary. One of the most wonderful compliments I've ever received. Thank you.

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The wound has been reopened --
And it may never heal --
But in the end it will stop bleeding --
Though you'll always hear my peal.

A poor attempt, I know.

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There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

Thank you for it! Poetry is not among my gifts, so I excessively admire those who possess it.

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Thanks for posting it it. The bleeding does eventually stop, but the scars will always be there.

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non-apology apology--especially for this.

I remember the 80s well and I lost more than one friend to that wretched disease. And last week the late night shows were playing her "gaffe" (which I considered the worst sort of pandering to Reagan Democrats) for laughs. I spent the entire week sick and furious and with nowhere to vent my pain and rage, only to watch, dumbfounded, as all was forgiven and everyone moved on...

What she did wasn't just a misstep, it was a vicious stab at those of us who loved and lost friends, lovers, siblings, parents, children...and I'm so grateful this place understands, and that people here share my outrage and sorrow.

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I have several friends who have been Clinton supporters, who are struggling to forgive her for this. Most will not. They finally see what most of us have seen about her, and once seen it cannot be unseen.

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And your diary accomplished your goal for many of us. It certainly did for me.

" I hope this diary provides some catharsis for people who were hurting from her stupid lie."

I'm wondering if we should write Markos a thank you diary for writing those POS diaries he wrote about what 'words' will be tolerated on his site since so many people have come here and added their voices.

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Those who said my story helped them feel better made it worthwhile.

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I m not sure what happened, but I'm glad to see we have an amazing edit button here.

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Trying to explain the past to those that will not listen . . . It is not sympathy that is needed or desired . . . Empathy is required but far too many cannot (or worse will not) . . .

Enough said . . . RIP

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But you can expose the willful ignorance of those who close their eyes and hearts.

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a lesson that many won't soon forget. This is a history that no one but those who lived it COULD teach...

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I am approaching the age at which my future is in my past. Passing on the lessons of my life is a challenge I've yet to face, but seeing the response to this piece here and elsewhere, I'm coming to realize that it is a task I must tackle.

We all have our stories, our wisdom and our lessons. Would that we had a society that valued them more.

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For a candidate that is supposed to be so smart, Hillary sure does display stunning amounts of ignorance about so much. I was born in 84, so this crisis was brewing before I was even born. However, I had the luck of growing up in a very liberal household and my dad told me early that the handling of the AIDS crisis was one of Reagan's biggest flaws a President; it was a long list of flaws. The second I heard this, I called my dad and told him that she definitely just lost my vote in the general (I think she lost him when she invoked Kissinger). If I had previously thought that Hillary had the capacity to learn from the mistakes of history, I certainly wouldn't have thought that after this.

I can't even say how nice it is to write that and not have to worry about parsing my words.

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Her Iraq vote wasn't a mistake. She defended it for many years until she finally called it a mistake.
Just look at her record of supporting every military intervention going back to the 80's.
http://www.empireslayer.org/2013/11/hilary-clinton-pro-war-and-imperiali...
This article shows the long list of military interventions she approved of.
Then there's her actions during her time as SOS. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Honduras and Ukraine.
She has so many innocent civilian's deaths on her bloody hands. And then there's her reaction after watching the video that showed Quaddafi being tortured and sodomized by a sword. She gleefully laughed, clapped her hands and said " we came, we saw, he died".
What type of sane person does that?
And again her supporters find nothing wrong with that.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

PastorAgnostic's picture

but if one simply looks at the result, one wonders why. At least a mixed bag may pleasantly surprise you on a rare occasion. With her record, we don't even have the rare moment of "ah."

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mhagle's picture

for this very moving journal. Sad and touching.

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

Tommymac's picture

And as long as power tramples the powerless, and people die of neglect while champagne glasses clink in the halls of the powerful, we will not forgive

Thanks for bringing your heart, your strength and your voice here. Was hoping you would show up DallasDoc.

peace.

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FEEL THE BERN: "But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521

The scars you wear, the oath you took, the intelligence you possess...thank goodness for the voice you have and use. In many ways it's still very dark out there. Your voice is a light that helps others see.

Wishing you strength and blessings.

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mimi's picture

and didn't know why, just reading your comments made me wonder, how you became the man you presented yourself as being. It's now that I understand. Thank you for writing your life story. I learned so much and am glad to get to know you.You are one of my favorite commentators and I hope you stay and talk your mind as forcefully as you always have. You are a fighter whose comments we need. I barely knew you were gay and a doctor, it never occurred to me that you are a doctor, who treated and helped the gay community that suffered from AIDS. It all comes together now and makes a lot of sense to me.

I was in no way aware of how grave the situation of those who suffered and died of AIDS really was. And I didn't know how cruel the discrimination of the gay community has been in those early years even in the West Coast. I do not want to miss you. Please write and post to us here as well.

PS. I now also remember that I was once very amazed about a gay man I met in Hawaii, who was very tender and sensitive in a way he explained to me why he loves living in Hawaii. He said he felt he could live in peace with his partners and be left alone being embedded in a neighborhood that didn't see him as "different". He almost was a little embarrassed and excused himself for feeling that way and I could not understand why. Now I do understand better, not being aware of how many of his friends and him suffered under the scrutinizing eyes and judgments of his environment and even worse suffered from this terrible illness. I was new to the US in the Reagan times and my mind was not yet politically aware of my surroundings.

Thanks for writing this.

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I very much appreciate your touching comments. I have never moved to a different country and had to adjust to an unfamiliar society and culture. I can't imagine how disorienting it must have been for you arriving in the US during the Reagan era. It shows great courage that you didn't flee our benighted land on the spot.

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so Doc, here we are, all friends, all sympathetic now.

I'm kind of happy, it's like we found a new island, like in Mutiny on the Bounty, what do you think? Smile

Doc, your truth.. I didn't know the whole story, but it's a thing to be admired. Blessings, ya know?

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Bernie is a win-win.

I always enjoyed your posts over at Kos...where I will not likely return. Your light filled spirit comes through in your words.

Peace and blessings

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“When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” ~Maya Angelou

Hillary has shown herself many more times than the first that she:
is a Liar
doesn't care about us
will sell us out for money and power
will say and do anything to win

I belive her, it angers me that others don't see and believe her

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I think this might have been my last rec over at the Great Orange Hillary.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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Welcome Dallasdoc. You reposted that fabulous, eloquent diary here, too. I definitely tipped it. I only head over to the GOS for LieparDestin's excellent BNR. I have never been banned in the 8 years I posted there. Have been h/r'd a few times which I considered a compliment. Markos was a Repukelican before he was a Democrat. His behavior doesn't surprise me. It makes him look like an idiot, but that's his choice. Y'know?

Looking forward to reading and enjoying your comments, and hopefully, another diary!! You take good care always!!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

and, of course, well-written as always. The tenacity of the Reagan propaganda never ceases to amaze me. He and Nancy were selfish, arrogant people who cared nothing for people who were not in their own little "set." It figures that Clinton would seek to identify with them.

And thank you for posting it here. I hope you'll post everything you do here, because I will not give DK the clicks. I gave it 12 years of support, and feel that I helped nurture a monster.

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Twain Disciple