@snoopydawg rescinded.

Trump is being consistent with its letter as well as the history behind it. The proposer of the amendment said it was not meant to cover foreigners who birth babies in the US.

That said, that part of the amendment has not been enforced in recent years, so practically speaking, Congress needs to clarify with a regulation or the 14th itself needs to be clarified.

Even right wingers are critical of Trump using an EO to stop birthright citizenship. Some have said he needs to go through Congress.

#3.1

Not! Again I can not fathom what type of person can watch as innocent civilians are killed while they are making money from the event.

I wondered if this act went against posse comitatus, but I read that the military can't be used for domestic problems, but thought that Trump would say it's for national security so it's legal. Good to hear that he's getting some push back on this.

I actually wondered if this was being done so that people wouldn't be upset that the military is being deployed on US soil because they don't like immigrants coming here. And that people are okay with him rescinding the 14th for the same reason. Then the next time it's done people would think it's not a big deal. The military is deployed after a disaster or economic crash and a few more of our rights are removed again. Mission creep inside the USA.

Look at what happened when SWAT declared martial law after the Boston bombing. People were told to vacate their homes and SWAT went in without warrants. People were okay with that because they were afraid.. but it went against our laws.

@Mark from Queens analogous to a protest about the Berlin wall where there were orders to fire on the protestors.

Do you honestly think Trump is going to order the military to fire on these people?

And what is your solution to the various groups heading toward the border? Just ignore them?

#4.2
refusing their orders from Eric Honecker to fire upon demonstrators at the Berlin Wall, that a whole system comes tumbling down (a story Chris Hedges is fond of personally recalling).

Things don't have a chance until righteous enforcers, whether in police dept's, the armed forces, the intelligence sector, district attorneys, judges and/or high level politicians, begin to publicly denounce their superiors and become whistleblowers and dissidents. But especially the cops and military, of whom without, the Powers That Be are defenseless and already beaten.

To that end, it should be obvious to anyone what the police's primary function really is. As James Baldwin said in reference to an uprising in Harlem in 1964 after cops killed another unarmed young black man,

...the police are simply the hired enemies of this population. They are present to keep the Negro in his place and to protect white business interests, and they have no other function.”

And to continue with his renowned brilliance on assessing subjects to their most bare element:

They are, moreover — even in a country which makes the very grave error of equating ignorance with simplicity — quite stunningly ignorant; and, since they know that they are hated, they are always afraid. One cannot possibly arrive at a more surefire formula for cruelty.

This is why those pious calls to “respect the law,” always to be heard from prominent citizens each time the ghetto explodes, are so obscene. The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer. To respect the law, in the context in which the American Negro finds himself, is simply to surrender his self-respect.

Its Truth rings as crystal clear today as it it did when he wrote it.

We'll really need to appeal to those few cops who think for themselves and are reachable, to convince their fraternal brothers that they are in essence, and have always been, used as pawns to carry out the dirty work of the ruling elite.

Such as this OWS protester whose bravery and honesty caught quite a few eyes.

@Mark from Queens

But especially the cops and military, of whom without, the Powers That Be are defenseless and already beaten.

Yep. We know that police started out being slave patrols for the white plantation owners and that's who they still are today. I hoped that if enough of them changed sides and worked with us we might get somewhere. But ow if that happens the PTB will just hire private mercenaries who as we have seen are quite willing to beat up protesters. TigerShark proved that during the DAPL protests as did Blackwater after Katrina. We have as much chance of taking back our government as do the refugees. The PTB have all of the big toys and people willing to use them.

#4.2
refusing their orders from Eric Honecker to fire upon demonstrators at the Berlin Wall, that a whole system comes tumbling down (a story Chris Hedges is fond of personally recalling).

Things don't have a chance until righteous enforcers, whether in police dept's, the armed forces, the intelligence sector, district attorneys, judges and/or high level politicians, begin to publicly denounce their superiors and become whistleblowers and dissidents. But especially the cops and military, of whom without, the Powers That Be are defenseless and already beaten.

To that end, it should be obvious to anyone what the police's primary function really is. As James Baldwin said in reference to an uprising in Harlem in 1964 after cops killed another unarmed young black man,

...the police are simply the hired enemies of this population. They are present to keep the Negro in his place and to protect white business interests, and they have no other function.”

And to continue with his renowned brilliance on assessing subjects to their most bare element:

They are, moreover — even in a country which makes the very grave error of equating ignorance with simplicity — quite stunningly ignorant; and, since they know that they are hated, they are always afraid. One cannot possibly arrive at a more surefire formula for cruelty.

This is why those pious calls to “respect the law,” always to be heard from prominent citizens each time the ghetto explodes, are so obscene. The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer. To respect the law, in the context in which the American Negro finds himself, is simply to surrender his self-respect.

Its Truth rings as crystal clear today as it it did when he wrote it.

We'll really need to appeal to those few cops who think for themselves and are reachable, to convince their fraternal brothers that they are in essence, and have always been, used as pawns to carry out the dirty work of the ruling elite.

Such as this OWS protester whose bravery and honesty caught quite a few eyes.

@dfarrah

The job of the US military is not to police this country. If more border patrol agents and “processors” are needed then hire them. Trump has been president for almost two years. Why has he not fixed this problem, when protecting the border is supposedly his top priority. Instead he does nothing until the week before the election, when suddenly we have an “invasion” that is thousands of miles away but nonetheless a crisis, and he sends in active duty military while making threats, although he says he hopes they won’t “have to” shoot them. How comforting.

Don’t blame the press or anyone else for “hyperventilating” because Trump said yesterday that the military would “fight back” and consider rocks to be the same as rifles. That was a clear threat to have our military shooting people at the border. Now today he’s trying to walk it back a little bit.

This is not what either Obama or Bush did. They sent national guard troops, not active duty, and they made it clear in their speeches that the guard were to NOT act as police or enforcement. I didn’t agree with either Bush or Obama sending guard troops anyway. Because they did, does not make it a good idea or ok. And Trump is obviously using it politically.

It’s all very stupid. I live in Az less than 70 miles from the border. We do not need the us military on the border even maybe shooting at anyone. Although the troops living at DMAFB (in tents, I read) and hanging out because they don’t actually have anything to do, with the caravan nowhere close, is apparently a boost for the local economy.

#6.1 border patrols are already overwhelmed (or their processes are not working), hence the presence of so many illegals in our country, those entities are apparently not enough to handle the additional humans on top of the typical load.

The migrants appear to be very well provisioned by someone, someone who could be provisioning them in their own country.

The US already gives plenty of aid to Honduras (not that that means it is used as intended). It is a country of about almost 10 million people, of which only a few hundred thousand decided to leave. The majority of the group appears to be healthy, young men. If this is truly a humanitarian crisis, like in the east, it sure doesn't look like one.

@dfarrah but we don't have to and should not use the military. I don't care whether it's Obama, Clinton, Bush or Trump, I'm against that and I'd say so are most people in this country. We don't need more militarization and police state apparatus, we need less.

#6.1 about processing them, determining the genuine asylum seekers, and turning the others back? That is supposed to be the correct process, is it not?

@dfarrah @dfarrah
Germany had an influx of refugees or migrants and nothing is more difficult, time consuming, expensive than to figure out if a migrant or refugee is a true asylum seeker or not. I wouldn't count on the business man like your President, he would waste money on those things.

#6.1 about processing them, determining the genuine asylum seekers, and turning the others back? That is supposed to be the correct process, is it not?