Democrats' trust in the media at highest level ever
Submitted by gjohnsit on Thu, 11/01/2018 - 4:45pm
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Or so they say.
This is tribalism written large.
All party groups' trust in the media hit record lows in 2016 and has increased in the past two years. Democrats' trust surged last year and is now at 76%, the highest in Gallup's trend by party, based on available data since 1997...
Republicans have typically placed less trust in the media than independents and especially Democrats, but the gap between Republicans and Democrats has grown. The current 55-percentage-point gap is among the largest to date, along with last year's 58-point gap. President Donald Trump's attacks on the "mainstream media" are likely a factor in the increasingly polarized views of the media. Republicans agree with his assertions that the media unfairly covers his administration, while Democrats may see the media as the institution primarily checking the president's power.
In case there was any doubt about what is going on, just look at Democrats trust in the "deep state" (i.e. intelligence agencies).
The FBI and CIA has never been more popular with liberals, because TRUMP!
Forget all that COINTELPRO and Church Hearings. Forget the lead up to the Iraq War.
There is a scary man in the White House who tweets. That's all you have to know.
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The Party of Trump
it's a cult of personality
This is why the Dems should forget about Trump voters, and the fictional "moderates".
Is DWS about to lose?
Gawd I hope so
Damn! I didn't know that!
I would have sent him some change. Thought he faded away after losing (or did he really lose?) the primary.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
He didn't bother to run as a Dem this time
Since they flat out cheated him last time when he ran as a Dem.
So he ran as an independent in 2018.
Maybe I can help him with campaign debts.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@gjohnsit Question is, are
Question is, are they going to cheat him again. It's pretty easy in Florida.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
They destroyed the primary ballots
Canova sued for a recount and oopsie.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
@Hawkfish Recount? In
Recount? In Florida?
We can do a few counties, but not enough to matter.
And don't even talk about a revote.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
A recount of the 2016 house primary
Not the 2016 presidential primary. You can find out more on his web site.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Wish others would take that route
too bad about that. Great for Tim though!
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
I’ve been sending him money
Every month. Normally I don’t presume to contribute to non local races, but I make two exceptions: climate and... DWS.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Cult of personality?
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/11/economic-distress-drive-trumps-w...
dfarrah
@dfarrah
These aren't usually exclusive. I'm willing to be it's both.
True, but it seems sometimes
that those citing 'cult' don't want to see other reasons.
dfarrah
@dfarrah It's important to
It's important to recognize that of course Trump supporters don't necessarily care much about the Republican party...that's why they voted for somebody the Republican party would have preferred not to have as a candidate. You think the Repubs wouldn't have rather had Jeb Bush or Rubio as their standard-bearer? Republican politicians have rallied behind Trump (post-election) because he wears their party label and he won. Doesn't mean he was their first, second, or third choice. The Trump voters know that, and they voted for him, in part, because they're pissed off at the establishment. That includes, sometimes, being pissed off at the Republican party establishment. It's just that, being Republicans, they don't talk out of school as much as their counterparts on the left do.
You might as well ask a pissed-off Bernie supporter how she feels about the Democratic party.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I don't see how
your comment relates to my objection to calling Trump supporters a cult.
I agree with what you said that voting for Trump was anti-establishment.
I don't agree with what you said about repubs not talking "out of school." Now they have coalesced around Trump, but he was castigated by repubs before and after his election.
And the repubs have as much disdain for their establishment people as the dems do for their establishment people. McConnell isn't disliked as much as he was because of the Kavanaugh stuff. He was as much of a punching bag for the right as Pelosi is for the left for a while there.
dfarrah
@dfarrah I wasn't
I wasn't referring to Republican "leaders"--politicians, media figures, etc.--talking out of school. They say whatever the fuck they want, just like every other "leader."| I was referring to the phenomenon of ordinary people who happen to be Republican being loathe to criticize the Republican party in mixed company. That's one reason why some people on the left don't know that there is a rebellion of the rank-and-file in the Republican party, just as there was in the Democratic party. The poll numbers recently have led me to believe that most of the Democratic dissidents have now voted with their feet, and the rest have been successfully brainwashed--only way to explain 76% support for the same media that fucked Bernie right in the ear.
The reluctance to criticize the Republican party in front of non-Republicans is a leftover from the 60s and 70s, I think; there's still a defensive mindset among ordinary Republicans, who feel that the liberal establishment is out to get them, or at least to criticize them in a sanctimonious manner, even though the Republican party has essentially run things for most years since 1980. Jan 1993-Jan 1995 and Jan 2009-Jan 2011 excepted. They seriously haven't gotten over the fact that they lost a cultural revolution in the 60s and 70s, and that public opinion turned against them back then. The fact that they subsequently won a cultural revolution in the 80s and public opinion turned massively for them seems not to have made any impact.
But they are just one subset of the ordinary Americans who continue to react as if we were living in 1987. God knows the liberals do. I just wish people of both persuasions would start reacting to the world we actually live in. And again, I'm talking about the little guy, not the assholes in power.
I hope that clarifies my position. We mostly agree, I think.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I think it's very possible
The crowning achievement was the democrats sustained response to economic anxiety. In the 1930's. I know the Depression left a mark on my parents, that whole generation, and their kids. The Great Recession left the same marks, except deeper because President Hope left everyone on their own, except for Wall St. Clinton was just as tone deaf, and those voters that weren't helped knew there would be nothing for them in her administration. There's economic anxiety as in "I'm afraid of losing my job tomorrow". Then there is having lost your job, savings, house, retirement and the life you used to have, and 10 years on realize you're never going to get it back. This shit job and shit life is all there is. That's economic anxiety too. Some people will vote for anyone that promises to end their nightmare.
Yes.
I lost almost all of my savings and took on a lot of debt. I am still trying to get that paid off.
The stupid politicians wouldn't even allow the penalty for early retirement plan withdrawal to be temporarily suspended - so everyone who withdrew to survive paid the government a 10% penalty.
And I recall how indifferent the dems were to people's plight.
dfarrah
but Oh so solicitous of the banks'
And the need for "top performers" to have their "usual $100 million bonus".
If Obama had shut down the bankrupt banks and re-structured them like FDR, he would have been remembered like FDR, loved by the people, hated by the rich.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I grabbed S.S. early -
at age 62 - becuz I really
didn't think it would be there when I turned 66, and hoped I would be "grandfathered in" when They decided to dump it. It also allowed me to work 3 or 4 days a week (22 hours instead of 36), instead of 5 days a week, for the same money during my last four years of work. Much easier on the body, car!
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Console yourself
I ran a big spreadsheet and concluded that it doesn't matter when you retire if you live the statistical average age. If you live longer than that, it's best to wait. If you live shorter, it's best to take early.
In trivial examples, if you die at 63, it's best to retire at 62 and if you die at 100 it's best to retire at 70.
In my case, earning both SS and a Federal pension, I was trying to calculate how to extract the maximum # of dollars from the Federal government in my lifetime as a range of possible lifetimes. Turns out 72 (with SS at 70) was the probable best time. 70 was close and I really wanted to quit at 70. Also hedged my bet by taking SS at 66. I have a co-worker still working at 85. He recently asked me to calculate his FERS pension for him *he's been taking SS since age 66). Turns out Korean war veterans don't have to buy back their military time. He once told me "What would I do, stay home with the women?" I told him, "Sounds good to me!"
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
The difference between taking
S.S. at 62 and taking it
at 66 is about 16 years.
That is, if you take it at 62, and live 16 more years to 78 you essentially "break even" with the $$ you would have received had you waited until 66. That is, if you wait 'til age 66 you will get $1,200 /mo., but if you take it early at age 62 you'll get $900 /mo. So, you'll get about 25% less money by taking S.S. early at age 62 vs. waiting until age 66 for the full amount. But, if you live to age 78 you will have received the same $$ amount had you waited 'til 66. Of course, if you live beyond age 78 you will continue to receive 25% less than had you waited until 66.
For me, I simply figured that I could take it at 62 and work 14 hours less each week to "take home" the same pay I earned without S.S. So, I worked 3 or 4 days a week instead of 5 days a week for the same pay, S.S. making up the difference in pay the last 4 years I worked. There was, of course, no guarantee of living to age 66, and I wanted to "cash in" some of that S.S. money I had been "saving" for 40 years instead of dying without collecting a dime. The gamble we make.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
As I was CSRS offset service
Each year of work increased both SS and the pension.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Think of “HOAP” as standing for “Hundredth Of A Percent”
President HOAP = President 0.01% — then it all makes more sense.
The audacity of the 0.01% . . . yowza!
That's the worst part
the next response to a recession will be like the last. The wealthy will be insulated from the harm they cause. That leaves them free to bargain hunt, bottom feed and exploit the rest of us, transferring even more wealth and power to themselves. Real power is the ability to exploit any situation for your own benefit.
bing!
tRump plays Dims for
the fools they are. He as much as said the Dims would be spending all of their time catching up to what he did last week, the week before, while tRumpCo was on to something even more outrageous this week, leaving the Dims chasing their tails.
Which is exactly what he's done for nearly two years, the Dims yet to have caught on.
Or caught up.
Meanwhile, what he Hasn't done is act on any of the bull$h!t that comes out of his mouth, tweets. Or not much of it, at least. Chop Social Security?? "Not going to happen," according to my Insurance guy - a Yuuuge Repub, yuuuge tRumper. "He would Love to do it, but it's not going to happen." At least according to my Insurance guy. Who is "in the know" here locally. Not going to happen?? "No, your S.S. and Medicare are safe. In fact, you S.S. slacker Libs are going to get a 2% raise next year! You can thank the tRumpster! And thank my taxes!" One of us has to work!
So, fact is, tRump's bark is Way worse than his bite. tRump rhetoric is mostly just red meat for his base, and used even more to rile the Libs, keep them chasing their tails while the RW Machine is off creating even more evil; two steps ahead, or more, than the Libs who bump into each other trying to put out the latest tRump fire. We keep putting out dumpster fires while, four or five blocks away the entire city is on fire. We gotta stop pissing on those dumpster fires on Twitter. We gotta stop chasing our tails. And the way to do that, in my less-than-humble, is to simply ignore tRump. Entirely.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Ignore Trump entirely
because while we're all whining about what Trump said. the r's are busy dismantling government offices and shredding documents, selling equipment, riffing personnel and on and on. If it ever turns around, the closed departments will be very expense to reinvent, rebuild, from scratch.
Exactly.
We're far better off
paying attention to what's going on locally, state wide,
than worrying about tRump's latest Tweet about how much more he's going to fuck America.
Something I can't do a fucking thing about, anyway, so why worry my pretty little head??!
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Not really. They are busy dismantling
the Federal government and gutting essential regulations ala Grover Norquist drowning in the tub. We should absolutely keep fighting that, too.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Well, they Talk about
that a lot!
But that's just it. It's mostly just talk.
And mostly just talk to keep us busy chasing our tails while they bugger the states.
Let tRump tweet away. It's mostly bull$h!t.
Besides... who has time to keep up with all of that tRump bull$h!t??
I just can't be bothered.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Yep!
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
They're not trying to win so much as trying to keep the game
going as long as possible.
This commentary applies to a lot more than Occupy Wall St.
"The ringer's job is to pretend they're an objective outside observer commenting on the game, when they're actually part of the hustle who's there to help bamboozle the public into thinking this game is legitimate. So naturally, if we stand next to the game and start telling everyone that the game is rigged, the ringer is gonna flip on us and start doing everything they can to make sure nobody listens to us. They're gonna tell everyone we're a bunch of losers, who're just hating because we don't know how to play the game. We're a bunch of card-game-hating socialists. They're going to try everything they can to discredit us so they can protect that game that they're so invested in."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Exactly. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
I'm assuming that the Democrats' trust
in the intelligence agencies has to do with Russiagate, yet oddly,
With Just Days to the Midterms, Russiagate Is MIA
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
I read that last night
and laughed. I'm guessing though that if the democrats don't take at least one house then Russia Russia Russia will be back in the news.
Vlad sure has been busy since Trump was elected. Just about everything he does is because Vlad wanted him to do it. Someone even tied Vlad to the Pittsburgh shooter. I was surprised though that the mail bombs were Vlad's idea.
Heavy sigh
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
It's Jill Stein's fault
I just read about Jon Huntsman
Have they blamed his stage 1 cancer on the Russians yet?
He's the ambassador there after all.
Nope not yet
But then it's only been a day.
Seriously though. I was mui pissed when Obama appointed him ambassador to ..? Forget where. China? Anywhoo Huntsman was bringing Utah into the 20th century when he left and we were stuck with Herbert. John was the first republican I admired and it was rumored that Barack did that because John was going to run against him. This took him out of contention and left Romney to run.
The Huntsman cancer center is awesome! It's built just above the U of U campus and they didn't skimp on the building. It has been expanded twice since I went there. John will be in good hands. He has the same cancer that McCain had. Melanoma. His father recently died from cancer.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
I used to volunteer to work for Dims
running for office. That includes both of the Empty Suit’s. Halfway into his second term I wised up. But after this last election I decided never again.
Not that I would anyway considering the hair balls who are already marking their territory.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Thanks for the giggle.
Hairballs indeed.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Had to clean up after one of the cats today.
As usual. Just listening to that furry bastid reminds me of how I feel every time I see one of them on tv or read about them anywhere.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I had a chance to sample Democratic thinking
...in tight-knit online communities, recently. I spent considerable time reading and letting it wash over me. Not so much the election activism of the moment, but the culture they are knitting and the stories that they tell themselves.
They seem to be lost. Unable to get their bearings. Tragically, many still cling to the Russia hoax: It was a criminal thing that was done to them. I didn't realize how the panic and desperation would linger. Quite a few seem to believe that their fever dreams about Trump and Russia (Putin) really happened and any day now Trump will be thrown from office. It's possible that he will leave at some point. I certainly hope so. But it will not unwind the mistake the Democrats made in 2016. These folks were betrayed by their Party while everyone else had their eyes wide open.
These Democrats seem to live in a void where their country is not at war with many others. There is almost no discussion about foreign affairs, and they speak not one word about the global mayhem that is blocking all their progress and turning their hopes to folly. It's the same across all these sites. Was there a vow of silence taken about this pointless slaughter? Is the silence an expression of their approval?
Can the election really be just days away? i fear for them, I really do.
Did the Democratic party's fossilized ideas mislead them again? Are they in for a shock?
____________________
The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
I believe what you just described
is what we would call a cult.
Would they believe the same thing if it was not Hillary? These people were wedded to making Hillary the first woman President. And I still see people posting on Twitter in response to her posts calling her Madame President.
It is pathetic. It was always about HER and never about policy. And that is why the Democrats are foundering. They have nothing to offer policy wise.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
That's intentional.
They make it all about Trump so they don't have to say anything that might piss off their corporate donors.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Well, McCaskill
is walking back whatever liberalism she might have supported in the past and talking about how she supports some of Trump's stuff, now that her race is close.
dfarrah
It was always about Her
This is what she thought too. "I want to be the first woman president." What 'was' her most important campaign issue? Anyone know what that was?
A no fly zone over Syria is my guess. It definitely wasn't universal health care.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Glass ceiling*
Only problem is it only helps those on the top rung. I guess those on the bottom get to applaud.
*seriously, NH primary it was her main theme. No wonder Bernie steamrolled her.
Yep, 1st woman
president was a main thing.
dfarrah
Just the other day
She said "I'd like to be President." I don't know if there was any context, i.e., all the wonderful things she would do, but it just reminded me of a seven-year-old saying "I'd like to be an astronaut."
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Nope. No context that I recall
I'm afraid that the DNC will do a Humphrey and just install her at the convention. Surprise boys and girls. Guess who your candidate is? And why not? The DNC has admitted that they don't have to follow their own rules.
Scene:
the back room at DNC headquarters. Everyone is sitting around a table smoking cigarettes and cigars which has made the room filled with smoke. The conversation turns to who the candidate should be. Bernie who won 67% of the votes or Biden who came in second with 13%?
Head scratching for awhile and then Perez says, "Hey. Why don't we just choose Hillary?" Everyone starts cheering and clapping their hands and that's a wrap.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
John Podesta: “She is not the ‘favorite sun’ of any one state —
— she is the ‘favorite sun’ of (pounds lectern) fifty states!” (hall erupts in tumult of wild cheering)
Hillary never brought any passionate policy issues to the race.
Her life was filled with committee hearings and investigations into her conduct as Secretary of State. That, and giving profoundly lucrative speeches to corporate groups that wanted to bond with her, the presumed next president. As I recall, she was showing up in small towns around the country with her entourage, dropping into coffee shops and awkward conversations with locals. It was her "listening" tour. She held back on her policy positions but was generous with her platitudes.
When she wasn't "listening," she became very verbose using a tumble of words to say nothing that meant anything. For a while, she was associated with the two trade agreements that were birthed by the State Department and affiliated think tanks during her tenure. They were designed to give the US supremacy over the worlds oceans and give corporations sovereignty over the self-determination of nations. In the end, she had to pretend she moved left and was now against the TPP and the TTIP.
Hillary was ready to be done with the Primaries and done with Bernie Sanders. She believed her destiny was inevitable. She would forever be the First Woman President, just as Rudy Guiliani's encounter with history made him Mr. 911 — both were in awe of themselves. As the Primaries approached the end of their kabuki, policies were really not discussed. The seven ongoing wars were never mentioned. I remember calling it the "first issue-free presidential election" of my lifetime.
The Party closed ranks and became belligerent and evasive. They've been in an alternate reality ever since. That's how I saw it.
____________________
The political system is what it is because the People are who they are. — Plato
Stunning to behold
wasn't it?
It was like HER & Co. could smell the finishing line and their hubris just couldn't be bothered with inconsequential things like conventional campaigning. Go out and meet the people? Bah! Talk about policies? What for? They already had the "Coronation" in the bag.
Which is why watching her lose on election night was the most spectacular feeling of Schadenfreude I have ever experienced. Bar none. I could watch that moment when her cult-like followers, in tears, were dumbstruck by the results again and again. The cherry on the top of that shit sundae was when Hillary couldn't even pull it together to come out to face her teary-eyed supporters and be a human being.
Yeah, she was the most experienced candidate, alright. Experienced at losing and being shitty about it. I still remember what a jack ass she was when she lost in 2008.
Ugh.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Her had no platform.
That was much of
the objection to Her.
Well, that, and Her Hillary.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Yeah I’ve wondered that too
The election was legitimately stolen from Gore in 2000 (though he did run a pretty lackluster campaign) and a month after the Supremes threw it to Bush, that was it really. Sure, the Dems crapped on Nader (sigh) but that was just because oppressing a third party was in their benefit. I know some of us were still upset, but the outrage was nothing like this.
I really think HER is a cult of personality. The people still on board are rabid true believers. They don’t ever really fight on Trump’s policies, just that he’s a crass bigot. I really think if this had been say Martin O’Malley vs. Jeb and all other things equal, we’d see none of this stuff.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
These people seriously cannot
deal with the fact that they lost (the electoral vote).
And they are in this strange state of hysteria - their eyes widen with fear when they talk about Trump.
dfarrah
@dfarrah There are reasons for
There are reasons for this horrible state of affairs. I keep telling myself I'll write about it, but it's a nasty topic.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
They are already in shock
and they have been so since Trump became president.
dfarrah
@Pluto's Republic Foreign=Russia, pretty
Foreign=Russia, pretty much. Well, and Saudi Arabia, now.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
It is a dang bombshell. Video of media Trump illusions
Check out the video at following link which is a compliation of media fortelling the soon-to-be-end of Donald Trump.
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1056971162566250496
I would go to TOP and other dem sites and I swear the denizens really believed that Trump was going to be forced out of office like very very soon. Oh, any day, Mueller would arrest Trump.
Original article from zerohedge.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-30/taleb-those-idiots-who-emphati...
Edit. Just a warning. The video looks to be from a total right winger, but it is illustrative of the group mind think over Trump in the media that loses focus on this policies and actions.
I would really like to know
the background of these people, who they are, what they do, how old. I know some well off people who were at fundraisers for Clinton (they could afford it) and actually spoke to her . For them economic hardship is academic. Republican tax breaks benefit them. Their sensibilities are offended by many things we can agree on, but it's not like they experience these things themselves. For them, of course Clinton would have been better. They don't see how it wouldn't make any difference for us. But who else?
cognitive dissonance at its best
They must believe the Russiagate BS to believe in the media.
What happens when they find out it is not true? Their cognitive
dissonance is strong. They also must totally disregard the
Wikileaks emails showing collusion between the media and team
Clinton, i.e., the Dem party. Whaddabout when they find out
the FBI and DOJ rigged the Hillary mis-handling of classified
data investigation, and that the CIA people with the DEMS
fabricated Russiagate. Will that shake them out of their stupor
of blind allegiance? They have a Hatfield vs. McCoy's tribal
mentality that precludes objectivity. And Trumpland is a
cult of personality.
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
But that's the thing isn't it?
Deep down inside themselves they have to know that she did that. There is so much evidence that shows she did. Do you think that none of them read the IG report that said she did everything she was accused of? If they did read it and still refused to believe then I'm at a loss for words to describe their thoughts processes. But really the most silly thing is that they believe that congress would sit by and do nothing if a foreign country was actually in charge of the president and his party.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
The Democorporate Party
The Left face of the duopoly. Pretends to be for the people but really serves their paymasters. (R) party also pretends to be for working people, freeing them from the shackles or corrupt unions, greedy welfare cheats, and LBGT fiends seeking to drain their precious bodily fluids. (D) party would protect (non-white only) working people from consumer choice, greedy bankers (while slashing regulations themselves), and homicidal fiends shooting at paper targets. Oh, and preserving the environment by shutting off your electricity when business needs it more, while destroying hundred year old trees on public park land that are the nesting place for rare birds, so that a concrete cathedral to Saint Barack can be built for us all to worship his wisdom in saving us from a Socialist public option.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Proof positive that I'm not a Democrat then.
The drivel that the MSM regularly comes up with, rarely passes the smell test.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
CANT STOP
Smiling
This is the party that will save us from whatever is orange today.
Hehehehehehe.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
PRICKNIK!
Just wondering...were you giving me a shout out (LOL) here?
EDIT because I misread whose comment it was.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Thank dog that they're only about a quarter of us.
Just like the Rethugs.
Yeah, right. Only a little more than half of us are demented.
On to Biden since 1973
This just blows me away after everything the CIA &FBI
have done. But a lot of democrats started believing in them during Obama's tenure when they were told that Gaddafi and Assad needed to be overthrown and both countries had to be invaded.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
I have to keep reminding people that the corporate media is
untrustworthy and that, in fact, they are largely responsible for the victory of Donald Trump.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Yup
But then they were following Hillary's orders to pump Trump for all he wasn't worth. The media would cut from Bernie giving a speech to a standing room only stadium to Trump's empty podium and wait for two hours until he arrived. This was Hillary's pied piper stunt. Trump got $2 billion in free tv time. The kos kids are still bitching about that, but they refuse to believe that it's Hillary's fault. One of the many things that they refuse to believe about how the election was rigged.
And remember that Ed Schultz was fired from MSDNC because of what he said when he was told not to cover Bernie's speech. Ed went to RT until he died.
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
I got back to this Colbert/Bill Clinton clip during primary
In which we see the piped piper strategy in full swing, and Colbert doing his part. Clinton degrades both Sanders and his supporters and then offers up a positive take on Trump.
@snoopydawg Correct. But I've
Correct. But I've stopped trying to explain to liberals how the Clinton campaign was to blame for the ascension of Trump.
At least my mom got it, though she said "If they wanted to win, they wouldn't have run the most hated woman in the country."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I wish dems could
keep their stories straight.
Weren't they just a few months ago bashing mass media (on the web) for being taken over by Russians who caused Trump?
dfarrah
We have always been at war with eastasia
You need to practice your doublethink
@dfarrah We aren't proper mass
We aren't proper mass media. One reason for the Fake News thing (which people have entirely bought, by the way) was to get the corporate media off the hook for installing Trump, and conveniently scapegoat a bunch of people that the rich want suppressed anyway.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Oh. I thot
facebook and twitter etc were being cited for Russia's stunning achievement of getting Trump elected. I thought those were part of the mass media.
dfarrah
@dfarrah Your analysis of the
Your analysis of the propaganda is just a tad off. Corporate media can't be the bad guy. You have to start from that premise. Neither can Clintons or Bushes or those who follow them. Neither can either party, except temporarily, in campaign season, when you can make speeches about how bad they are...but even then, it's better to focus on bad individuals like TRUMP!!! instead of bad organizations. Once you start thinking about bad organizations, you might start to think about why those organizations are bad, and that might lead you to thinking about bad systems, and then you might start to think about why those systems are bad, and then....
Well. We wouldn't want that, would we.
So, corporate media can't be bad, so somebody else has to take the fall. It's OK for Facebook and Twitter to take it at first, but then they have to redeem themselves quickly with lots of bannings and McCarthyite folderol--because ultimately, FB and Twitter have to be good guys too. They are too useful as tools for those in power. So who becomes the bad guy? "Fringe websites." That's how my mom put it. I don't know if she's put together that I'm a founding member of one of those "fringe websites."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Okay, I'll try
to work on my tad offage.
dfarrah