Will a pattern emerge?

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Trump has based his "strategy" regarding Saudi Arabia's possible murder of Khashoggi around how much they are buying from the US (notwithstanding the fact that American workers will probably see very little of that money). Who else may he be willing to sacrifice if the price is right? Are there already deals in place that the public does not know about?

73 journalists world-wide have been targeted or caught in crossfire in 2018 (not counting Khashoggi or Viktoria Marinova). (Note: This also does not include all of the "missing" journalists.) The targeted journalists were investigating corruption and/or crimes against humanity. How can Freedom of the Press exist when journalists are referred to as the "enemy of the people" (Trump) and killed without reprisals?

Given that the Trump administration is also seeking to limit protests around government building can we soon expect a loaded Supreme Court to limit freedom of speech? Yes, this is related to the above questions. = )

Just throwing out some thoughts for discussion.

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This graphic is from some years back, but it is quite sobering to see.

Trump is not alone in taking the moneycentric view.

This was equally as bad as Trumps imo:

Can Rand Paul help get more Repubnacrats on board to stop US?

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I cannot get the journalists map to come up. I wanted to see if there was any identification of nationality of the journalists in relation to where they were killed. From my reading, there has been a huge upswing in journalists being killed since 1992. I may need to see if I can pinpoint what triggered it.

What the Yemen map doesn't show is the deaths that are interrelated. For clarification: If one of those people who died as a direct result of a bomb was a doctor. How many more died as a result of his death? How many people have not been directly bombed but died because they had to flee their homes?

She looks like Dana Sculley. However, it does not sound like she had the integrity of a fictional character. I am still working on how the 1960s with all the anti-war sentiment managed to spawn so many people with no moral fiber.

Good to hear, I hope, now they will need a majority to override Trump, and I am not sure there are enough Ds or Rs who have not been thoroughly bought. Not to mention the fact that Congress gave away their authority to block a president from starting a war when they gave GWB carte blanche to do whatever he wanted. It may be too late to put the genii back in the bottle.

Note: For whatever reason, I constantly confuse the names of Rand Paul, Ron Paul and Paul Ryan and have to stop and see if he makes sense before I can figure out which one it is.

Thanks for sharing those messages.

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https://cpj.org/

Committee to Protect Journalists

330 7th Avenue, 11th Floor

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Tel 212-465-1004

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I had only gone to their list of deaths for 2018 and did not backtrack to the full site.

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where journalists were staying was bombed by our military? Rumsfeld told us that it was just a mistake. Oops ...

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@snoopydawg up by mentioning his name? /s

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(extremely low), so seeing Rumsfeld doesn't effect me in that way. However, he and others do effect my stomach when I see, read or hear anything about them, e.g., HRC, Trump, GWB, etc. They give me diarrhea.

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Both he and Rumsfeld went very quiet after their tenures were over, but I'm betting that neither one of them are staying home and playing with their grandkids. The Cheney spawn is in the senate I think, but I haven't heard anything about what she has been up to. Has anyone?

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had to make it to the bathroom before the explosive diarrhea hit. I have absolutely no intestinal fortitude when it comes to Cheney.

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(per Rumsfeld, not me)

If I remember correctly, the Bush administration tried to keep journalists from covering the war.

Hmmm . . .you know what we are missing nowadays? The constant images of Americans coming home in body bags that we saw during Vietnam.

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Hmmm . . .you know what we are missing nowadays? The constant images of Americans coming home in body bags that we saw during Vietnam.

We're missing Walter Cronkite showing us the body bags from Vietnam.

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We miss integrity.

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@divineorder Yep, it was from many years ago. Which makes its own point.

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Glenn Greenwald on Donald Trump, NSA Surveillance, Facebook, Russiagate, Syria, Israel, Gaza & Yemen
14,143 views

Edited to provide direct link to the youtube vid.

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convince men that low sperm count is a direct result of climate change (which it actually could be...extreme heat kills sperm) and watch them do a fast turn around on saving the world.

Re Greenwald's first five minutes: I still get blasted for saying that HRC would have done the same things as Trump, only quieter. Greenwald proves my point.

Thanks for the video!

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@WindDancer13 direct link to the youtube. I guess that is okay?

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not have a reference, but the point stands so I won't edit it. No problem, just the video makes it clearer what the meat of the post is.

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Here's the link to the tweet.

https://twitter.com/xah_lee/status/1051106417774452736

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73 journalists world-wide have been targeted or caught in crossfire in 2018 (not counting Khashoggi or Viktoria Marinova)

If Marinova is the person I'm thinking of, I have heard about her death and what was done to her. But I haven't heard about any of the others. So why are people talking so much about Khashoggi? Why does this one journalist's death matter so much when the others didn't get much attention? His death hasn't even been confirmed yet and no one knows if he is even dead. I've read that he was tortured and dismembered and that his body was smuggled out in suitcases. I've also read that he was buried in the embassy gardens. Or that he has to be released or else there will be dire consequences for MBS.

My question is what might be being planned if he is actually dead and the Saudis did it? I don't believe that he was a US citizen was he? He lived here and worked for the Bezos paper and was critical of the Saudis, but at one time he was very close to them.

Given that the Trump administration is also seeking to limit protests around government building can we soon expect a loaded Supreme Court to limit freedom of speech?

Yup. Count on this happening because it's already happening at the state level. How many of the DAPL protesters have been charged and are serving time? Felony rioting charges for people who protested Trump's inauguration. And many other protests. War is on the horizon and that's why we just saw Facebook ban close to 800 people's websites. They might have been the ones who would be anti war and the PTB don't want anyone who isn't on board with it writing about it their way.

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We Told You That Once The Establishment Silenced Assange, The Rest Of The Media Would Be Next: We Were Right

Then Facebook banned Alex Jones and many people on the left were okay with it because of who he was and what he said on his show.

This site had a great discussion about Facebook teaming up with the Atlantic Council and who's funding them. Lots of foreigners on the AC and leaders from foreign governments are also on it. Links to this in the essay. Great commentary too. So with those foreigners working with FB shouldn't we be calling this election interference since this is happening right before the midterms? Heh. If Russia and China want to mess with our elections they best be getting busy because FB is way ahead of them.

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@snoopydawg any info other than a name. However I regularly comment and don't hold back my lefty beliefs.

500 to 600 friends on all 5 continents. It is a utility which, like the telephone, exposes us to all kinds of invasions as you so expertly outline. Will we live to regret staying 'on' it? We shall see.

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to each other. Some post what they did that day. Others post what they read. My uncle posts nonsense stuff about nothing or where he was a year ago. I only joined to sell my photos, but when I didn't add tons of new friends it took my page down. My family sent me best wishes for my birthday and I read them 6 months later because I rarely read the site. I know that for some people it's a great way for them to keep in touch with their friends and family though. But if you and JB are writing about your trips and posting photos I might look in. Or you can post them here?

But the problem with this censorship is what websites were kicked off. The names are in this article. I read on Twitter that the websites that watch police activities were banned. Ray Balko's cop watch and photograph the police were also banned. Why them? I have an idea ...

https://www.mintpressnews.com/facebook-purges-independent-us-media-for-p...

This is a good article about how nothing will change if the Saudis did kill Khashoggi. So if nothing is going to change then why is everyone talking about this? I have been asking this question since this was first reported. The woman journalist was brutally murdered, but where is the outrage over that? Very curious don't you think?

https://opensociet.org/2018/10/13/this-too-shall-pass-nothing-is-going-t...

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because the prime suspect turned out to be a Turkic-Tatar migrant named Severin Krasimirov.

The woman journalist was brutally murdered, but where is the outrage over that? Very curious don't you think?

http://www.focus-fen.net/news/2018/10/10/434896/21-year-old-severin-kras...

“State repression brutally killing journalists” = mainstream-approved narrative

“Migrants brutally killing white Europeans” = far-Right favoring, racism-fraught narrative the mainstream would rather not call attention to

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@lotlizard Are you sure that "state suppression killing journalists" is really something they want to call attention to?

It may depend on the state. In fact, I'm sure it does.

I have to admit this one stumps me, since Saudi Arabia is usually given a pass on almost everything except not letting women drive.

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them my correct birth year. = ) And I set up that account way before the leaks were announced.

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The current (since June 2017) Director of Policy for the social media site Reddit is an Atlantic Council alumna. Her name is Jessica Ashooh.

Prior to going to Reddit, she was Deputy Director of the Atlantic Council's Middle East Strategy Task Force.

Before that, she held several positions in the Middle East, including a stint in Abu Dhabi as a Senior Analyst in the United Arab Emirates' Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Her resume calls her a "subject matter expert on Iraq, Lebanon and Iran".

Now she's making policy decisions for a major social media outlet.

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Guess I shouldn't be surprised though. Bet there's a good chance that FB, Google and Twitler's CEOs are too. Wasn't that one reason why social media was established? So it could be managed?

Reddit closed down every Q sub Reddits a month or so ago. Even if Q is bogus people were learning a lot of things about the government and intelligence agencies and what they were doing.

It's interesting how many of them have foreign policy experience isn't it? Pierre is all for regime change. Lots of businessmen are. Not sure why though. ??

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I read somewhere, and I have no idea where, that Q was a radical right-wing misinformation group.

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Telesur. I do not think many people understood the significance of the clip that was used in the 2016 debate between Bernie Sanders and HRC. That clip was from an interview with Sanders on his return to Vermont from Nicaragua. I had seen it prior to the debate. The clip implies that he is praising Fidel Castro. He wasn't, though HRC seems to have been prepared for it and rode that pony to town. Each time he tried to explain the context, he got cut off. It was totally disgusting.

Thanks for another great link.

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TV station? Did they cut Bernie off or was that during the debates? I don't know much about Bernie praising Castro and I really don't know much about him. Foreign history wasn't my strong point.

Q is what you want it to be IMO. He covered a lot of what happened with the FBI during Hillary's investigation and some other issues. Lots of links did go to right wing websites, but if you read about what Q was talking about it wasn't bad. Read about politics and yeah it's very right wing. But not all links went to places like that. I see no reason why Reddit shut it down unless it was just censorship because people were seeing how corrupt the investigation was as well as the people involved in it. She should be in prison for what she did during her tenure as SOS. Their foundation is bogus and she shouldn't have been able to get all that money because she did do people favors if they donated. This country missed out on billions in fines that she got people off from paying.

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(which were in English)
they kept hounding Sanders on praising Castro and then would interrupt him when he tried to explain the context. Basically he had said that Castro had done some good things in education. And HRC would jump in to say how horrible he was to praise Castro. What he was doing was stating a fact about one of Castro's policies, supporting education (which is not done in the US).

Ah, okay. Thanks for the info. I could have said she should be in prison without the articles. It was very clear to me what she and the foundation had done. Lock her up in the same cell with Trump. = )

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If you're referring to the debate right before the Florida primary, I believe it was put on by Univision, not Telesur. Univision is partly owned by Hillary's good buddy and donor, Haim Saban.

I watched that debate, and it was obvious they were trying to turn the Cuban-American community against Bernie.

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The debate was sponsored by Univision, The Washington Post and CNN on March 9, 2016 in Miami.

I am not sure why I confused that with Telesur unless its name popped up at some time during the debate. However, that one period of questioning regarding Castro is burned in my mind.

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@snoopydawg is where Abby Martin's show The Empire Files was being broadcast.

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@snoopydawg Had a bit of an epiphany on a recent business trip. In the airports, people were all strung out on their phones. I saw FB and instagram for what they are: Social Masturbation.

I will be calling it social masturbation in public instead of social "media". It is either going to be SoMe or social masturbation from here on out.

It is so apt and it gets the skeeve, and emptiness when finished just right; on the moral, ethical, and ick angles, it's an apt metaphor.

I encourage all of you to give it a shot and take a look at the apparatus through that frame. It's more creepy and damaging than you can imagine.
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Social Masturbation.

Stroking the Ego.

You wouldn't stroke your weiner ego in public, now would you?

And at home it's like we've become serial jerk-offs too.

It's a weird, weird, time - this advent of the internet/social media age. Most of the population walking around with their heads down, buried in their hand-held devices, caught in a hypnotizing web of commercial consumerism having to constantly be entertained (or possibly worse yet thinking that they are "informed" of the latest "news"), as if that were the ultimate fulfillment.

Kids arriving into this world, young adults hooked desperately, older folks bedazzled and preyed upon. People now standing around in a group or seated at restaurants together, phones out in front of each one, not looking at or talking to the people in their immediate presence. Disastrous consequences in so many ways. Just thinking of the drone "pilots" stationed in weirdly sanitized office buildings in Colorado, using their "gamer" skills to kill US "enemies" on the "hit list" - and then going back home to their suburban homes with manicured lawns to turn on the grill to make dinner for the kids.

I used to think years ago that, while I acknowledge the many goods of these kinds of communications and the convenience it offers to our lives, there will probably come a point soon in which humanity splinters and those of us who don't want to hurtle down the path of chasing and/or embracing every new and improved technology coming at ever-blinding speed will just opt-out, find each other and start communities in which this probable dystopia is not central to our lives.

I know that leaves a ton to speculate on, but in a general sense I guess what I'm getting at is that more and more people probably are right now having misgivings about where this is all leading and will look for like-minded folks to pursue an alternative. But having said that, I don't think it will be many of us and I have no picture of what that might look like. But it does seem to me that too many have been convinced that Convenience and Entertainment is the ultimate enshrinement of Progress. And some of us ain't buying it.

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It is how you keep the Deltas in line . . . by creating a false reality (you can be informed without any actual knowledge; you can share emotions with another person without ever touching them; you can watch others die with no empathy, hence no pain). It is anti-social at the least and dissociative at its worst.

Soma in Aldous Huxley's Brave New World:

"Benighted fool!" shouted the man from The Fordian Science Monitor, "why don't you take soma?"
"Get away!" The Savage shook his fist.

The other retreated a few steps then turned round again. "Evil's an unreality if you take a couple of grammes."

"Kohakwa iyathtokyai!" The tone was menacingly derisive.

"Pain's a delusion."

"Oh, is it?" said the Savage and, picking up a thick hazel switch, strode forward.

The man from The Fordian Science Monitor made a dash for his helicopter." [emphasis added]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi

The intercepted communication deemed important because Khashoggi is a legal resident of the United States, and is therefore entitled to protection. According to NSA officials, this threat warning was communicated to the White House through official intelligence channels.[65]

Important hotlinks were ommitted by me in this quote. See the link above.

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The difference is that there used to be an up side; some benefit to the public came along with our giving up interests or rights. In other words, we accepted a pacifier, even when it did not completely address the issues.

Yes, Marinova is the journalist who was raped, tortured and murdered.

One of the reasons that Khashoggi has caught the American attention is because, imo, the story reads like a spy novel mini-series. As of right now, we really do not know what happened to him. We have been told a whole lot of things that may or may not be true. Facts are not being presented; however, most people are taking suppositions to be true. One of the first reports said the interior cameras in the consulate were not working that day and now the consulate releases videos and audio. Hmmm....

Even his fiance urges caution:

"Images in the media point to the possibility of an abduction or an assassination. I hope that it does not turn out to be murder, as alleged by these images," she added.
"Until official statements are made, it makes more sense to wait a bit longer and to see the final result as opposed to making a bold comment," Cengiz said.

He is/was not a US citizen, but a permanent resident. Working for WaPo is one reason he has gotten a lot of attention (other than the spy thriller aspects) as well as the fact that he lived and worked in the US. Most other recent murders of journalists have happened outside of the country to people with no US standing and were simple murders without all the intrigue. Cynical? Maybe.

I have long thought that we were in an extended backlash from the "freedom" and discontent of the 60s, given the swing to the right. However, some things remain the same: people were shot in peaceful protests, people were bludgeoned in peaceful protests, people were imprisoned for protesting (most if not all of the violence came from those breaking up the protests) and censorship. Also the same: the rights that were being fought for...civil rights, women's rights, anti-war, human rights.

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One of the first reports said the interior cameras in the consulate were not working that day and now the consulate releases videos and audio. Hmmm....

This story keeps changing just like the other stories changed when it wasn't true. The Skripals got poisoned by it being on their car intake valves and when he turned the heat on blam. Or he got it when he went to the restroom and someone injected him with it. It was on the doorknob and he got it when he closed the door except that he was wearing gloves....

Remember how many times they changed the Benghazi story? This story keeps changing too and he's not even confirmed dead. Just wondering what's loaded in the pipe?

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@snoopydawg close, just what I read randomly on c99. But they do change the story often, don't they.

My my, hey hey Rock and roll is here to stay It's better to burn out Than to fade away My my, hey hey. Out of the blue and into the black They give you this, but you pay for that And once you're gone, you can never come back When you're out of the blue and into the black. The king is gone but he's not forgotten This is the story of a Johnny Rotten It's better to burn out than it is to rust The king is gone but he's not forgotten. Hey hey, my my Rock and roll can never die There's more to the picture Than meets the eye. Hey hey, my my.
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OT, but here's a later, live version.

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Starting at 6:30: "The Arab press is owned by two major financial sources . . . The Saudis control directly or indirectly most of the media."

~8:35 "Journalists (Arab) are almost completely muted, either because they are on board with the autocratic agendas or because they are terrified."

~9:00 Looking at Twitter accounts in English and Arabic coming from Saudi Arabia, the big driving force is that everything that has been reported so far is Fake News. If there is no independent media, if there is very little independent media, and we are relying on social media now, what impact has that had on the narrative in the Arab world about Jamal Khashoggi's case?

Lots of good information in this video; however, I was essentially looking to see if Saudi Arabia was going to cry "Wolf" and they did: see "Fake News" above.

The quotations above that one I included as a reminder of what happens when there are few news outlets. As of now six corporations own all of the news outlets in America that probably 99% of the populace use as their news sources.

We are the 1%. = )

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I have considered that regarding this story. Khashoggi's fiance has said that she waited outside the consulate until after midnight. As a woman, I do not stand outside anywhere by myself after midnight, and especially would not do so in a country like Turkey.

I fear hearing the word "Hoax!" yelled out and journalists around the world being called out for "fake news." While I hope that Khashoggi has not been murdered at all much less in the manner we are being lead to believe, I really have to also hope that we are not being set up in order to protect the war interests of the US by the Saudi proxy. Sorry, my paranoia is strong today.

Remember the Maine! Or, closer to this century, the Gulf of Tonkin. You know what? The American people have a long history of being lied into wars.

I think instead of sensationalizing the story, we should wait for actual facts.

What we do know from Benghazi and other stories like it are that certain people are very good at gaslighting.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/pages-purged-by-facebook-were-...

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Atlantic Council? I think I read that on Twitter yesterday. This would explain why it was involved in the banning. Thanks for the link. I found this link in the post and highly recommended reading it. It makes an excellent point that we should be aware of.

Pages purged by Facebook were on blacklist promoted by Washington Post

These comments by PropOrNot make clear where the censorship measures supervised by the US government and implemented by the internet companies are going. While these organizations still “have websites,” the authorities are handling “one thing at a time.”
The clear implication is that censorship will not end with Google’s manipulation of its search platform or the removal of accounts by Facebook and Twitter. The ultimate aim is the total banning of oppositional news web sites.

I wondered how long it will be until this spreads beyond Facebook and Twitter. Eventually the websites that were banned from those sites will probably be banned from the whole internet. Why else would they be doing this?

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Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

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corporations to get rid of net neutrality:

I wondered how long it will be until this spreads beyond Facebook and Twitter. Eventually the websites that were banned from those sites will probably be banned from the whole internet.

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which provided another link that has access to some articles that are normally only found behind paywalls: https://www.wsws.org/en/

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Leaked Google document: Tech firms have shifted away from “free speech and towards censorship”

On Tuesday, the far-right news outlet Breitbart News published a leaked internal briefing by employees at technology giant Google that openly discusses political censorship.

The document observes that “tech firms have gradually shifted away from unmediated free speech and towards censorship and moderation.” In the process, the document states, Google, Facebook and Twitter have sought to emphasize creating “well-ordered spaces for safety and civility” over “unmediated ‘marketplaces of ideas.’”

Breitbart said Google did not deny the veracity of the document, but it wrote that “an official Google source said the document should be considered internal research, and not an official company position.”

"Internal Research" Riiight. Why would they be doing that if the plan wasn't to take this further? Let's not forget how far Wilson went to silence Eugene Debs. He created the espionage act so that he could put him in prison to shut up his anti war speeches. This country is moving towards a big war with either Russia or China soon and it doesn't want people to be informed about what's happening. But what about people in the streets talking out against war? FEMA camps? Are they still considered CT?

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spectrums can agree on: censorship. Now if they can all agree that what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

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@WindDancer13 at C99, there were people who applauded when Alex Jones was censored. Free speech may not always be pretty or even true, but it is still free.

What we are seeing is the US government is using these supposedly private corporations to first limit and now shut down free speech, all in the name of "protecting" we the people from one another. I suspect most of the Silicon Valley corporations were either fronts for the CIA or aided by the US government in some way.

Most of us forget that every computer, cell phone, television, or other electronic device sold in the US has a backdoor by which the US government can spy on us. This is how the NSA has information and data on nearly every living American.

Add to that, it is now legal for the US government to spread propaganda within the United States with the repeal of the Smith-Mundt Act in 2013.

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Other links I read to get more background on this issue:

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and corporate media is the enemy of the people. However, on the other hand, individuals and sites like c99 would have no information on which to base an opinion or to even think about a topic if we didn't have access to media's resources. Revision: lack of critical thinking is the enemy of the people.

It is like having to drink from a polluted stream. Better have a good filter.

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Personally, I think this should be branded in everyone's brain. One of the versions of Martin Niemöller's poem:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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.... then they put debtors in prison and when they came for me there was no one left ...

So what happened to all of the outrage over separating children from their parents? It might have stopped for now, but there are still around 100 children still not back with their parents. Many of the ones that were reconnected are sleeping in closets or suffering from PTSD. Then there's the close to 1,000 children living in concentration FEMA camps in Texas. What is the long term plan for them? And where are all those people who were in the streets marching not too long ago? Too many outrageous things happening for people to keep their rage up?

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There are 100 camps.

As of 9/20/2018

Trump admin moves $260M from cancer research, HIV/AIDS and other programs to cover custody of immigrant children costs

There are more than 13,000 children currently in HHS custody, spokeswoman Evelyn Stauffer told CNN. The number fluctuates daily, but that is higher than the record-setting 12,800 in custody last week.

Where was the outrage when Obama did it?

Is This a Photograph of a Children’s Concentration Camp in the U.S.?

This photograph dates from 2014 (during the Obama administration) and was not directly related to a mid-2018 controversy over Trump administration policy of separating children from undocumented migrant parents at the U.S. border. The picture was one of several that accompanied an Arizona Republic article about a detention center for undocumented migrant children in Nogales, Arizona.

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George Orwell

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."