@Roy Blakeley But this is incorrect: It is possible that the Democrats had made a behind the scenes deal to let Kavanaugh through, perhaps in exchange for the Republicans not rigorously investigating the FBI spying on the Trump campaign and the fact that the Trump campaign was set up for surveillance in the meeting of DT Jr with Veselnitskaya

The repubs have in no way stopped their investigations into the attempted coup by the dems.

The Republican haste is due to a fear that they will lose the Senate and Trump will be unable to get his nominees confirmed.

The Democrats like Booker and Harris were initially grandstanding for electoral purposes. This was more political theater wherein Kavanaugh would be approved but Democrats would return to their constituencies oozing righteous indignation. Booker and Harris are running for President and want to get TV time. As you point out, there is good evidence that Kavanaugh perjured himself during his confirmation hearings in 2004 and 2006. That should be a complete disqualifier for a prospective justice of the Supreme Court. However, it is not a big vote getter like sexual assault. It is possible that the Democrats had made a behind the scenes deal to let Kavanaugh through, perhaps in exchange for the Republicans not rigorously investigating the FBI spying on the Trump campaign and the fact that the Trump campaign was set up for surveillance in the meeting of DT Jr with Veselnitskaya. Perhaps there was some other deal. The leaderships of both parties are corrupt and self serving. However when the sexual assault allegations became public, all bets were off. The Dems have to at least pretend that they are pursuing this vigorously.

Concerning Kavanaugh, I did not know about the debt, but it is interesting. Concerning the sexual assault, these were drunken 17 year old assholes. Don't expect rational or logical behavior. Virgins can certainly commit sexual assault and Kavanaugh would not have lost his virginity in the assault as described.

@lotlizard

Biden didn't let any of the other women who could have backed up Anita testify either. We can thank him for Thomas being on the court. Kerry and Obama could have kept Roberts and Alioto off the court by not voting them out of committee. Oops. This information wasn't supposed to get out. Can we finally get people to admit that both parties are working together?

to testify at her confirmation hearings, did they?

In America, drunken teen parties are so much more disqualifying than direct personal involvement in outright torture.

@snoopydawg Re: Kavanaugh was groomed. Rhetorical question: Why is it that nearly every person in power is an Ivy League graduate, particularly either Yale or Harvard?

This is so emblematic of the neoliberal philosophy. These people see themselves as better than the rest of us peons, as the nobility of this country and the government is their exclusive little club. I wish the people of this country would wake up to see that the pool from which these people all come is very small and very exclusive.

Well done.

IF the accusations against Kavanaugh are deemed true:
* Does anyone think the Republicans will not confirm him anyway?
Nope.

* Why is K in so much debt? If reports are correct, he has been living well over his means for years. How does this reflect on his judgment? Do you suppose that being a corporation is a person ideologist may help him out of his financial troubles?
Yep. He is apparently living beyond his means, but is somehow making ends meet

* It has been shown that K lied under oath on two separate issues in his 2004, 2006 and current testimony under oath (the documents that were stolen from Sen Leahy and the issue of the judge who was sending out inappropriate emails and later fired for sexual harassment.). Yet, not a peep from Dems. Why?
For the same reason Feinstein apologized to K after the protesters were removed from the room and possibly why she didn't release the letter until the hearings were over and her colleagues pushed her to do it. She wants him to be appointed. He will hammer the final nail in the coffin of what used to be America. Corporate rule and ... ?

* When will Democrats grow a backbone?
When hell freezes over

Anyone notice that no one answers questions when they testify to congress? People will be asked a yes or no question and instead of answering them with a yes or no they go on a tangent that has nothing to do with the questions. This is deliberately done. The heritage foundation has been training people to answer questions that way. This makes it so that people can't commit to anything.

* It has been shown that K lied under oath on two separate issues in his 2004, 2006 and current testimony under oath (the documents that were stolen from Sen Leahy and the issue of the judge who was sending out inappropriate emails and later fired for sexual harassment.). Yet, not a peep from Dems. Why?
I thought that someone did address the stolen emails, but he denied that he read them. The woman who wrote them said that he did.

If by some miracle (and I do mean a miracle just short of the Second Coming), they don't confirm K, the Republicans have a long list of judges who would do their will in a SCOTUS position with the probable exception of not having written that a president cannot be prosecuted.

See article below

Here's another interesting fact about Kavanaugh. He has been groomed for his positions since prep school.

Grooming Brett Kavanaugh: From prep school to the Supreme Court was a straight line — and crooked as hell

* Exactly what case is coming in front of the Supreme Court in October that the Republicans feel they need K in there to swing the vote?
Exactly! Why the rush to put this flawed candidate on the Supreme Court when there are plenty of other justices that could be appointed and won't have the same baggage that K does.
The difference in the photos are that Hillary is leaning towards Bill. Mrs. K has left space between them and she is kind of leaning away from him.

@HenryAWallace

I may be overlooking something obvious, but I don't see this as a significant indicium of guilt or innocence, except possibly to his advisors/handlers. It certainly gives him an opportunity to put his version before the public without exposing him to perjury charges, but lying at this juncture on matters that someone can prove or disprove is much too risky.

I think that's why he went on Fox snooze instead of CNN or MSDNC. This and the fact that Trumps base watches Fox.

I see quite a few differences, but, I'll cite only a few: The Clintons look/are younger and more agressive than the Kavanaughs. Hillary is on Bill's right and has her black tights-clad legs crossed and her fingers intertwined. (Kudos on a great way to make your points about the two pics and on all your posts in this thread.)

IF the accusations against Kavanaugh are false:
* Why does he not call for an FBI investigation?

If you were up for one of the most important jobs in the nation and being challenged on the basis of something that you did when you were a drunken teen, would you demand that the FBI investigate you? (If the FBI is ordered to investigate, it would be very difficult to circumscribe the scope of their investigation. Also, time between now and election day is of the essence. Additionally, and perhaps ironically, Republicans now view the FBI as biased toward Democrats.)

* Why did he do an interview on Fox (no other SCOTUS nominee has ever done an interview show)?

I may be overlooking something obvious, but I don't see this as a significant indicium of guilt or innocence, except possibly to his advisors/handlers. It certainly gives him an opportunity to put his version before the public without exposing him to perjury charges, but lying at this juncture on matters that someone can prove or disprove is much too risky.

* Why are Republicans trying to rush the vote (they have until Nov. 6 at least to confirm a nominee)? Note: They have called for a vote this Friday.

I disagree that, as a practical matter, they have until at least November 6. At stake is something much more important to Republican Senators than seating Kavanaugh: Republicans want this settled as far ahead of midterms as possible, lest the blue wave for which Democrats long become a tsunami that drowns them.

Unlike now hoary wars in the Middle East, this story is the kind of stuff our alleged news people dive into eagerly and persistently and regurgitate to us daily, throughout the day. Republicans don't want this making headlines much longer. They want some distance from this story by election day. And, once he's been on the bench for a minute and a half, media will drop it. (I don't know if the Thomas hearings lost Republicans votes at the polls.)

IF the accusations against Kavanaugh are deemed true:
* Does anyone think the Republicans will not confirm him anyway?

Hard to say. Thomas was obviously confirmed anyway, but that was many years before #metoo, Bill Cosby's jail sentence and the election that bible-thumping Judge Moore lost in a red state. (Granted, a special election is more likely to produce anomalous results. such as a Republican's winning a Senate seat in Massachusetts and a Democrat winning one in Alabama, but politicians try not to leave too much to chance.) One could probably do a book on the differences among the cases of Kavanaugh, Thomas and Moore, but I don't have the time or inclination to do more about those differences in a message board post, other than this sentence.)

That's all for now, but like Chuckie and the Terminator, I'll be back.

@gulfgal98 If this is true, the dems are terrified of being exposed.

I can't wait until all of the information comes out. I hope there is enough information to charge them with whatever crimes they committed.

Thank you for highlighting the questions that should have been pursued instead of teenage sexual conduct. The Dems do not really care about sexual assault, only about trying to make points from it.

Also, I believe the Dems do not really care if Kavanaugh is seated on the Supreme Court according to this Q post of September 17.

D's Trying Negotiate Pullback of FISA Declassification
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17 Sep 2018 - 8:33:16 PM
PANIC IN DC
D's offering to [KILL] sexual assault allegation v Judge K in exchange for immediate pullback of DECLAS.
POTUS: Judge K will be confirmed regardless…
Q

@HenryAWallace

However, if the perp sexually assaults more than one person at a time, or if the plan is for more than one person to assault the victim(s), as in gang rapes, then, sure, there will be witnesses

She does not say that Kavanaugh took part in hers, but does say that he was there when it happened.

4 women have now come forward and say that they were sexually assaulted at the parties that he attended. 3 of them accuses him directly. I doubt that had anything to do with helicopter parents. Affluenza got one kid off from being sent to prison for robbery, drunk driving and vehicle manslaughter. Affluenza is a state of being and of entitlement.

I don't think Democratic politicians behave as they do because they lack spine, are cowards or weak or afraid or any of that kind of reason. I think Democrats behave as they do because a divided base creates many occasions for them to feel a need to be duplicitous and because they are often complicit with Republicans to one degree or another. And again, there may well be agreements in this instance, tacit or express, as to the parameters of mutually acceptable questioning.

I absolutely agree with about this. After the democrats took congress in 2006 and during the Obama administration people constantly told Reid that he needed to grow a spine and stand up to the republicans. And again they are saying that IF the democrats want people to vote for them then they have to give people a reason to do so. They aren't. They are running on "we aren't the GOP or Trump." I've seen no reason to vote for them, but even if they were running on giving us the moon I wouldn't believe them. I should have learned that lesson after Pelosi said that impeachment is off the table and then voted with the republicans for the rest of the Bush presidency. But no. I got sucked in once again and voted for Mr Hope and Change. Just once though ..

General questions:
* If true, why exactly was Judge also in the room during the assault? Most rapes are not committed with an audience. Did Judge jump on the bed thinking K was taking too long and it was his "turn"?

I think that you've answered your own question: Yes, sexual assaults by one individual of another individual are usually not committed in front of witnesses. However, if the perp sexually assaults more than one person at a time, or if the plan is for more than one person to assault the victim(s), as in gang rapes, then, sure, there will be witnesses. Whether the witnesses in such instances will speak out publicly and truthfully depends upon a number of things.

* Does K's conflicting stories of his high school and early college years regarding his drinking further prove a tendency for lying?

I may not remember to perfection (or at all) every college party at which I was drunk. However, I sure remember the times that I testified under oath and probably would remember them, even if I had been drunk when I testified. According to your OP, Kavanaugh legally perjured himself in the past, while presumably sober and not while a teen. If so, then there is evidence of his tendency to lie that is more compelling, IMO, than any inconsistencies in his stories about his drunken youth.

* Why is K in so much debt? If reports are correct, he has been living well over his means for years. How does this reflect on his judgment? Do you suppose that being a corporation is a person ideologist may help him out of his financial troubles?

I think the compelling issue as to debt is that someone in great debt may be more susceptible to bribes than one who is solvent. I am not sure this is true, but I think that is the main issue.

* There have been numerous remarks about this incident happened 36 years ago to undermine its validity, but somehow K conveniently still has a calendar of some of his activities from that same time period and no one blinks an eye (lots of winks though). Has this calendar been vetted?

I have no idea if the calendar has been vetted. The calendar may or may not be authentic. Some people don't throw anything away, or something important to him may be in that calendar. Or not. We can't tell much of anything about the calendar from here.

* It has been shown that K lied under oath on two separate issues in his 2004, 2006 and current testimony under oath (the documents that were stolen from Sen Leahy and the issue of the judge who was sending out inappropriate emails and later fired for sexual harassment.). Yet, not a peep from Dems. Why?

I don't have an answer for this, either. However, if not a single Dem has mentioned it, we can be sure that Dems have been briefed and "advised" about referencing this issue. I guess I am potentially alleging a conspiracy of silence, though I don't know the reason for it. As at least one post upthread has said, Democrats and Republicans agree on certain things,probably much more often than we will know and perhaps even more often than we imagine.

* Does being a virgin somehow eliminate the possibility that a person could or would sexually assault someone? After all, Catholic priests take a vow of celibacy.

Of course not. A friend is a social worker specializes in cases of children who sexually assault other children. That includes children who are not even approaching their teen years. I had an experience of my own (as the one being "shown") with another child (same sex) when we were both about five. I don't think the child intended me any harm, but we were both way too young to have become sexualized. (My "teacher" had likely had been someone else's victim.)

* Did anyone else notice that during the hearings that K drank excessive amounts of water when being questioned by Democrats yet very little when Republicans had the floor? Did anyone notice that K said that he is going to over turn Roe v Wade (that is what he meant by not citing the precedents that would keep it law, but instead referring to a precedent that could lead to overturning the current law)? (Not: Trump said he would appoint judges to overturn Roe.)

Sorry. Did not watch the hearings. But, I find this kind of thing useful (out of court, anyway). I would not rely heavily upon non-verbal cues if I were a juror, though. https://www.truthaboutdeception.com/lying-and-deception/detecting-decept...

Other questions:

* When will Democrats grow a backbone? Kamala Harris at the original hearings said she had a reliable witness that K DID talk to someone at Trump's law firm about the Mueller investigation after having grilled K extensively on whether he had or not with him avoiding answering the questions. Then crickets.

I don't think Democratic politicians behave as they do because they lack spine, are cowards or weak or afraid or any of that kind of reason. I think Democrats behave as they do because a divided base creates many occasions for them to feel a need to be duplicitous and because they are often complicit with Republicans to one degree or another. And again, there may well be agreements in this instance, tacit or express, as to the parameters of mutually acceptable questioning.

* Why didn't the Democrats on the committee take legal actions (or find a Wikileaks-type source) to obtain the documents on K that have been hidden from them and the public? For that matter, those documents came from Bush's library which is supposed to be for the public. Why didn't one of them send someone to get a library card?

Same answer.

* Do Republicans think they were too tough on K when they asked him why he uses a Sharpie to write his notes?

Probably. (-;