Are you a Russiagate traitor?
Russiagate may technically be about Trump, but in fact most of the "traitors" and Putin Puppets are progressives on the left.
Russiagate officially started in 2015 long before the DNC hack and the Democratic primaries.
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Russiagate never was actually about Russia.
It's the Democrats' version of Obama's birth certificate. As Caitlin Johnstone puts it, Russiagate is 9/11 minus 9/11.
In reality, Russiagate started with Ralph Nader and the 2000 election.
They said a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush. You have a moral duty to vote for the Democrat and to be pragmatic. Your Naderite purity came at the expense of the poor. Only affluent selfish white guys could afford this type of virtue signaling. In fact, maybe some of these people were really Republicans in disguise. There were no Russian bots to blame just yet, but clearly some liberals are unable to imagine good faith criticism of Democrats coming from the left.The terms “ virtue signaling”, “ purity pony”, and of course “White Berniebro” weren’t coined yet, but the the stereotype they describe was formed in 2000. Gore lost and Nader and all his voters, in swing states or not, were vilified. They were worse than Republicans. They were traitors. Of all the factors that caused Gore’s loss, the only one that Democratic partisans really cared about was Nader.
People that voted for Nader became responsible for the Iraq War, while Democrats who voted for Bush and the Iraq War got a free pass.
Liberals, besides their obvious double-standards when allocating responsibility, made the dubious claim that morality requires being pragmatic in your voting. And then, as if to prove the basis of their claims to be false, they approach their target audience in a non-pragmatic way.
The anger on open display is the opposite of pragmatic politics. They don’t try to persuade people to vote for the Democrat. They demand it. It is a moral litmus test, or rather, a judgement of one’s very soul. Good people know they have to vote for the Democrat. Bad people vote for Republicans and the very worst people of all claim to be left, but vote for Stein or maybe even voted for Clinton, but criticized her. Democratic partisans have no interest in what you say about an issue if they perceive it as in any way an attack or a criticism of a Democrat. If you are a third party advocate you can forget about being taken seriously on any issue because you have already self identified as a Satanist and you need to be exorcised from the body politic. Even if you say you support the Democrat as the lesser evil, you speak as one of the damned and deserve no mercy. Sanders played the game in 2016 exactly the way people said Nader should have played it and he and his supporters were still dismissed.
Like Nader before her, Stein is the absolute worst traitor of all. Worse than Trump himself.
Jill Stein is a Russian agent.
Jill Stein is a Russian agent.
Jill Stein is a Russian agent.
Jill Stein is a Russian agent.
Jill Stein is a Russian agent.
Jill Stein is a Russian agent.
Jill Stein is a Russian agent.
Jill Stein is a Russian agent. https://t.co/qkDUe6yADd— Zac Petkanas (@Zac_Petkanas) 18 December 2017
Maddow cast suspicion on Stein’s silence over alleged Russian attempts to interfere with the election to benefit Donald Trump, who she claimed during her own campaign would govern no differently than Hillary Clinton.“So everybody’s like, ‘Wow, how come this like super, super aggressive opposition that we saw from these third-party candidates — how come they haven’t said anything since this scandal has broken?’” Maddow said.
“I don’t know, Jill — I can’t pronounce it in Russian,” Maddow said, with apparent sarcasm.
.@maddow spots something fishy going on between Jill Stein and Vladimir Putin. pic.twitter.com/Cah10YWx8p
— DESUS & MERO (@desusandmero) 15 February 2017
Bernie Sanders, OTOH, did everything he was told he should do.
He supported the Democratic establishment candidate, and believed the Russiagate story.
It has been clear to everyone (except Donald Trump) that Russia was deeply involved in the 2016 election and intends to be involved in 2018. It is the American people who should be deciding the political future of our country, not Mr. Putin and the Russian oligarchs.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 16, 2018
However, Sanders had already committed the unforgivable sin of criticizing the Democratic establishment candidate from the left. There is simply no way of coming back from that treason.
Despite his stance, Sanders has also been constantly presented as another Russian agent, with the Washington Post (11/12/17) asking its readers, “When Russia interferes with the 2020 election on behalf of Democratic nominee Bernie Sanders, how will liberals respond?” The message is clear: The progressive wave rising across America is and will be a consequence of Russia, not of the failures of the system, nor of the Democrats.
It isn't just progressive politicians that are all traitors.
Movements like Black Lives Matter are also traitors for Russia.
Slate: Russian Trolls Were Obsessed With Black Lives Matter
CNN: Her son was killed — then came the Russian trolls
NY Times: The Propaganda Tools Used by Russians to Influence the 2016 Election
That's because you, Russia, funded riots in Ferguson. See 0 hour I have your connections to Trump archived via Schiller and Scavino https://t.co/aTUDlCGkYi
— Louise Mensch (@LouiseMensch) April 9, 2017
If you are still confused about what is treason and what isn't, ask yourself the question: Does the issue advance the narrative that the Democratic Party is a force for absolute good?
Oh my god: this is how deranged official Washington is. The President of the largest Dem Party think tank (funded in part by dictators) genuinely believes Chelsea Manning's candidacy is a Kremlin plot. Conspiracy theorists thrive more in mainstream DC than on internet fringes pic.twitter.com/e8g314iQHT
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) January 15, 2018
We still have the 2018 election, and then the long lead-up to the 2020 election.
There is nothing to indicate that the rhetoric won't get a lot more insane. The general indifference of the public doesn't seem to discourage the media and pundits.
So how will it likely look in Fall 2020? Probably like it looked in 1952.
The purpose of advancing the Communist issue was not to fix the Communist problem — it was to exploit that problem for political and ideological advantage. That is how the Republican Party could produce its unhinged 1952 platform, which charged that the Democrats “have shielded traitors to the Nation in high places,” “work unceasingly to achieve their goal of national socialism,” and “by a long succession of vicious acts, so undermined the foundations of our Republic as to threaten its existence.” (Does that kind of talk strike you as overheated? Then you, too, are failing to take the Russia issue seriously.)
There is little to no danger for conservatives and Republicans. All of the danger is for progressives and socialists, and the angry mob is the Democratic establishment trying to silence left-wing ideas.
In comparison, the danger of the GOP to the left-wing is trivial.
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Me? A traitor? No sir!
I absolutely love ma and apple pie and the merikan flag. Sure! Jayzus too if you demand it, no sweat off my back.
Go to the war? Oh I'd love to, but I got this problem...
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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Loved the Smothers
I don't actually remember that song, but I do love it..., all the moreso because I lost high school friends in that Vietnam insanity. When one is from a very small community where everyone really does know everyone else (or are related to a lot of 'em), every death diminishes the community and everyone mourns. My family got lucky in that the ones of draft or military age went to war and came back unscathed.
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
New song for me, too.
, thanks a lot for that!
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Ffs, there was NO "hack"
I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that people keep posting it as common knowledge and factual -- especially on this site. Old dkos habits are hard to break, I guess.
The speed at which the files were STOLEN prove it was done from within the network. Not from Russia, or from a van parked down the street. I can only guess that the DNC can't reveal whose network account was used to do so, because it would blow the bullshit lie of a hack out of the water.
There was NO hack.
inside job
emphasis in original
The term usually used by the perpetrator classes for this sort of thing is: "inside job".
And, as with all other inside jobs, the question really is: "Who's the insider?"
"The easiest way to raise a revolutionary army is to use someone else's; especially if it belongs to your enemy."
-- William Powell, The Anarchist Cookbook (1971), from memory
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
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Dead men tell no tales
R.I.P. Seth Rich
Side note: I find it odd that his parents sued Fox News for saying he was murdered by the DNC. The judge sided with Fox.
It makes no difference
I've seen an article debunking the "hack was a leak" story, but it makes no difference anyway.
In my book, the leak/hack just created a more informed electorate, and that's good for American democracy.
Hillary said similar. (What difference does it make?)
Facts matter to me. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. Did it matter to know whether Bengazi happened because of a movie, or something much more nefarious, and that we very well may have not only caused the deaths of Syrians with sarin gas, but that Bengazi likely happened to cover up where we got the gas?
And yes, we learned from what was published, but it does matter. I automatically question what people say once I've realized they don't care about the truth. It's disturbing, to say the least. Eyes wide open now. Thanks.
"care about the truth"
The truth is contained in the emails, not in their journey.
Remember who else is telling you that the contents of the emails is less important than how they got there - the Democrats.
You're trying to twist my words,
When you were the one who said being factual (truthful) in your own essay didn't matter. Your essays regularly end up on the front page. It should matter if what you publish is factual or not. And you know damn well I didn't say the content of the emails was not important.
You sounded like Hillary before, and you're attempting to twist my words now, like a DNC shill, though much more covertly than the norm at dkos. Again, eyes wide open, and thanks for that.
I'm not sure what you think I'm saying
and I'm not going to spend much time worrying about it.
Like I said, I've seen articles disproving the leak story. So I don't have your convictions that it was a leak.
And it still doesn't matter because what matters is the contents of the emails.
You think differently. That's your choice. Please respect my choice
Careful with the shill accusations...
I'm getting tired of that being thrown around on the boards here.
Facts don't matter, but shill = bad?
Heard, but wow!
Yes, 'shill' equals bad imo. I too, have read that the 'leak'
hypothesis has problems. Don't get me wrong, I think it holds more promise than the 'hack' hypothesis.
But right now, really, we got shit for proof either way?
Would honestly look forward to your proof either way, sans the critique of the essayist.
Might I suggest that you criticize the point, not the person, please?
Questions remain.
... Joanne Leon liked
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Leak or hack - there's no evidence that Russia was involved
in it. This is the point that matters to me. Assange has stated that the emails didn't come from Russia. Craig Murray said that he was involved with the person who got the information from the DNC computers and that there was no connection to Russia.
The CIAs Vault 7 shows how evidence on computers can be manipulated to make it seem like someone's dawg did the deed. I think it'd be very sloppy for trained hackers to leave their own footprints on the scene don't you think?
Finally there's the meeting that Assange's lawyer set up with congress for him to testify to congress and tell them where he got the DNC emails that showed how they rigged the primary. Comey and Schaffer shot that down because it would have killed Russia Gate. Dead and buried and the country could move on.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
SD, have you heard (yet)
what Julian Assange is going to do? Is he still negotiating with Britain/Ecuador regarding his expulsion from the Ecuadorian Embassy in London?
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“Never, never be afraid to do what’s right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society’s punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.”~~Martin Luther King Jr.
"Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong."~~W. R. Purche
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Assange has no say in the matter of whether he is
expelled from the embassy or not. This country has been pressuring Ecuador's president to kick him out so he can be extradited here. It's just a matter of time before he's expelled. And I'm doubting that he will even get a trial. If he does get one it he will be charged under the espionage act which is just a way for people to not get a fair trial.
This site has been covering this sad saga. Here's my recent essay and here's one from last month that has an interesting tweet from Scandinavia Anonymous.
I look every day for any new information about him.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Assange is toast. He’s going to pay for
upsetting the Dims apple cart and they will have their ‘pound of flesh’.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
This!
This story has two levels and that may be why we are debating whether or not it was a leak or a hack. The first level of this story is the road by which theleaks/hacks traveled to Wikileaks. When the leaks/hacks first came out, the path by which they were made known was irrelevant to most of us because the most relevant thing about them to most discerning people is their content which revealed the an unprecedented depth of corruption in the Democratic party and the Clinton campaign.
However, as a form of damage control and now as an excuse for Hillary's loss to the Orange one, they have created a controversy accusing Russia of meddling in the election. While I personally believe that they were leaks of some sort, probably from more than one party, that narrative serves no purpose in promoting the Russia narrative.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
@divineorder No, we don
No, we don't have shit for proof either way.
We have a technical fact for proof. Until that fact is discredited, by someone I trust--like Bill Binney, for instance--that fact stands.
Somebody saying that he disproved it or managed to cast doubt on it is worth exactly nothing unless he explains in technical terms to a trustworthy actor who is capable of understanding those terms exactly how he disproved it or why it is now doubtful.
There's no need to use the word shill; there is plenty of reason to hold a hard line on the question of fact-based analysis.
One can also say, of course, that the most important issue here is that telling the truth is not a crime, and it certainly isn't election fraud or improper interference or whatever the lingo is these days.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
You invoke DKos...
and then use the mother of all DKos tactics, the shill accusation. I'n saying I've seen this happen too many times lately and I'm tried of it, plain and simple. Calling another member a shill is absolutely in the DBAA realm let alone that member being one of the first to join this site and who's been a front pager from the day the front page was created.
The shill accusation digs under my skin deep, it's one of the main reasons I left that site and now I'm seeing it pop up here.
If you have any proof of shilling other than the member in question doesn't agree with your position, then show me.
Fact??
it's less clear
Then I guess the Seth
Rich murder WAS a botched
robbery.
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This article answers the one you posted
Opinion: On The Latest Establishment Attack Launched Against WikiLeaks, Independent Media
Campbell
liedmisrepresented what Binney stated about how the DNC computer information was taken from the computers.Campbell: A month after visiting CIA headquarters, Binney came to Britain. After re-examining the data in Guccifer 2.0 files thoroughly with the author of this article, Binney changed his mind. He said there was “no evidence to prove where the download/copy was done”. The Guccifer 2.0 files analysed by Leonard’s g-2.space were “manipulated”, he said, and a “fabrication”.
Binney added: “We [VIPS members] were calling it fake from the beginning, and we still do.”
"We agreed it was a download, not a hack, the whole thing was a set up – we can’t prove who is responsible or where they were located, but that is irrelevant because it was still a download, not a hack, which tells us that the Guccifer 2.0 persona was a fabrication.” He added that Julian Assange and Craig Murray can prove the origin of the information, and that both have stated clearly that the Russian state was not their source.
I'm with Lisa Page: There's no there there in regards to the charge that Trump colluded with Putin on the election. I take that to mean that Russia Gate is the latest propaganda plot by the intelligence agencies in a long line of them. Who then are the real puppets in this stupid Russia Russia Russia crap.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Best thanks, SD. This is of major importance.
Good catch
That kind of blows away my link.
I still don't claim to know if the DNC was leaked or hacked, but I stand by my statement that it doesn't matter.
I just stumbled across it
but it offers an important lesson. If I hadn't then those of us here might have given the article you posted more weight. I wondered if I should rethink what VIPS had stated about how the DNC info got to Wikileaks. I still believed what Assange and Murray said about it, but Wendy has also been questioning whether Binney or Drake had changed their minds.
On whether it's important to know if a leak or a hack happened I think it is because it changes the narrative on Russia Gate. Most people who believe in Russia Gate accept the intelligence agencies' words that it was a hack and those of us who don't believe them think that it was leaked.
But I do agree with you that it is the content of the information that is important. Wikileaks told Hillary that in a few days they were going to release the DNC information and that's when she and Podesta cooked up the plan to blame it on Russia so that people wouldn't focus on the content.
BTW. I meant to thank you for this essay. The link for when Russia Gate started goes to a Wikileaks page and a great exchange for how Hillary should handle ISIS and the Syria war. I wanted to excerpt some of it, but it was kinda off topic. But I've bookmarked it.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
actually
i'd asked if we might crowd-source all of of it here, from marcy wheeler virtual Queen of the 'russia-gate mueller investigation; assange hater >>> duncan campbell's 'analysis' (quite inscrutable to me), then to the many discussions of somewhat conflicting analyses at the Nation *and* that binney and mcgovern had said they were open to accepting new evidence, iirc.
i can't say i was encouraged to make a shell of diary to let others far more versed in IT and analysis at C99% than i by what was offered on that thread, and i'm glad we've heard from binney in absentia now. but i will offer: that as far as The Truth goes, that seems to be up to analysis and 'facts presented' (either biased or misunderstood), which even the VIPS had seemed to disagree on 'the facts', thus can be a bit of a moveable feast.
i was willing to crowd-source it all here in search of Closer to the Truth was all.
Thanks for this important essay.
You've thrown a wide net, which has yielded several issues that remain unresolved until now. These issues are festering in the gut of this nation, sickening it. Killing it.
gjohnsit, when those emails were released, what mattered completely was what they said. The people who had experienced the unthinkable in an election process were able to confirm what they saw with their own eyes. If the emails had never come to light, anyone who dares mention that the 2016 primaries were rigged would be shunned as a conspiracy theorist. That has been the story of this past century and all the times we knew we were betrayed by elements within the government. If we speak of it, we are denounced and marginalized by decree from the top — the hits and assassinations, the false flag attacks on our own soil, the extra-governmental authorities who set the nation's goals and make the big decisions, the missing and unaccounted assets of the nation, and the lies and conspiracies that throw the nation into war deliberately. The People are helpless to demand an accounting because they have no physical proof.
This is why the content matters. ^^^^
This is where Julian Assange stepped into our lives. He came to empower and save us, a people who are too weak and unempowered to save him when his life is in danger. Can we save him from an espionage charge?
This is why the truth matters. ^^^^
He came to help us prevent wars. Can we stop a war with Russia?
This is why the truth matters. ^^^^
The truth is the metadata, it's the DNA of our situation, it is the key that can unlock the power that belongs to We the People. Can we stop a war with Iran and China? Can we stop our onrushing dystopia? Can we stop our rogue government from harming us and the world further?
This is why the truth matters. ^^^^
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Exactly, Pluto! Exactly! n/t
@snoopydawg Thank you
Thank you, Snoopy. Saved me the trouble of doing it.
Just because someone who is able to make themselves look or sound authoritative says something, doesn't make it true.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Absolutely right.
It matters profoundly. Knowing the facts surrounding critical political events or social earthquakes can be epigenetic events. Hard truths can trigger conscious evolution while we are alive and your advanced gene expressions can be physically inherited, changing the species.
By exercising our own critical thinking and working very hard to see through narratives to the core realities in the universe and in all things — we are physically evolving the species into better and more enlightened generations of humans.
In this case, it is NOT a matter of opinion. It is a matter of FACT. The physical proof that we have right now tells us that the Wikileaks documents did not come from a "hack." We also have physical evidence that someone (no doubt Crowdstrike) manipulated copies of the leaked documents and embedded awkward amateurish evidence to make them look like they were taken by a "Russian" hacker. Here's how we know that:
Assange's diplomatic trip to the US in mid-2017 to testify before Congress and prove where the documents came from was emergency-blocked by Comey and Rosenstein. As a consequence, Assange immediately released the extensive Vault 7 documents to the American people so we could forensically recognize the signature techniques that the US intelligence agencies would use to alter downloaded DNC documents and embed fake Russian "fingerprints." We have seen the physical evidence that that occurred.
The US has no real physical evidence of a Russian hack or they would never have released the fake evidence. Yet they continue their attack to harm Russia's economy and the continue their attempts to provoke a hot war with Russia. The US motive for this has nothing to do with their fake hacking narrative; it is about crippling Russia (and China) to forestall the rapid rise of Eurasia, which is stripping the Neocons and war-profiteering corporations of their dream for the US to achieve total domination over all other nations. The Entitled Elite want their New American Century back! Their Empire was supposed to rule the world....
If that is what your instincts tell you, you should trust them.
It's a biological imperative.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Bingo, Pluto
Great comment
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Perfect.
At the very least, we should call it "alleged" hacks.
I want some proof before we drop nukes.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I want some proof before
...Russian nukes are dropped on you.
I counted this time. The corporate media used "alleged" for four and half days. It trickled to a stop on a Friday and by Saturday the mind-controlling narrative had taken over completely.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
@Pluto's Republic It would be
It would be great if we here on c99 continued to hold to the standards of reason, proof and logic on which we based the site--along with the standards of civility and common decency.
EDIT to change "cite" to "site"
Most other places are descending into a maelstrom of smear jobs, lies, and irrational viciousness. It matters a lot to me that this place continues to stand in opposition to this McCarthyite nonsense--not just the content of "Russiagate" but also the way we analyze information and come to conclusions.
A technical fact must be disproved by disproving its technical basis, not by claiming that people have said things that they haven't and making scurrilous comments about those who have asserted the fact's existence.
The proponents of the hack argument have not produced any solid reliable evidence. The proponents of the leak have. No amount of hatchet jobs can change that.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Ayup. I totally agree with you
I said in one of my comments that I'm proud of the people here for standing against the return of McCarthyism. I've noticed that it looks like it's the people who supported Bernie are the ones who are not buying into the Russia nonsense and the Hillary and Obama supporters are. I despise the things that Trump is doing, but I see that he is just continuing what the previous presidents had done. But the ones who believe in Russia Gate have much stronger opinions of him and think that his policies are of his own design and something new. DeVos is continuing what Arne Duncan was doing with charter schools, but she is just more aggressive about doing it. Obama did some good things for slowing down climate change, but nothing close to what needed to be done. People are freaking out about the republicans trying to do away with SS, but Obama offered them the grand bargain. He signed legislation that defunded social programs too. Etc, etc, etc.
It's often stated here that people saw the elite's masks start slipping during Obama's tenure and then Bernie ripped more of them off and now Trump, congress and everyone else that runs the country have taken them completely off.
This site is a blue oasis in a desert that is surrounded by propaganda and half truths. Thank gawd it's here for us.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
@Pluto's Republic Thank you for
Thank you for your part in keeping us to those standards, btw.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
"we"?
Shit.
We here.
We Americans. We, the people. That "we".
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Seems to me only the democrats, ED and PD, who are
not stating the facts, not me. I don't want any part of that we. "Syria Civil War". Ask the author about that.
bing! n/t
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However
As to this point in your comment:
The US has no real physical evidence of a Russian hack or they would never have released the fake evidence.
The NSA does have evidence of whether Russia or anyone else "hacked" the computers so why hasn't Trump ordered it released if he really wants to prove that it's a witch hunt? He can also make the FBI release the information that they used to get their FISA warrants.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
When they talk about obstruction of justice
...this is what they are actually talking about:
It's an undisguised threat meant to hold Trump back. But you are right, the NSA is key.
Mueller has been dragging things out and dealing distractions like those half-assed indictments against Russians that will never go anywhere. The troubled investigation has been in stalling mode while the brainwashing has been stepped up. The Intelligence agencies are doubling down on their accusations — still without a stitch of evidence. Facebook and its tech industry cohorts are now proxies for the government's Thought Police, censoring data, stifling topics, and making people a little dumber every day.
In the end, the people will be fuzzy about what actually happened. The best time to get rid of Trump is right after the mid-terms, and I think that's where we are headed. I'm not sure how it will be done but I would be surprised if Trump serves out the full term. He has been thoroughly used. It has always been clear that there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives. The Steele dossier — a good example of a real Russian collusion — gives testimony to that. The salient fact remains: Hillary Clinton didn't lose because Russia "meddled in the election." If the US held a do-over election between Hillary and anybody you can think of, Hillary would still lose.
I figure we are living in the footnotes to 9/11. Usama bin Laden said if the US didn't remove its military from the Middle East, America's democracy and its economy would be destroyed. A time would come, he said, when Americans would no longer be free and the doors in or out of the US would be locked. Since our first revenge attack on Afghanistan (of all the empire-destroying places), the US has been a zombie lurching around on the world stage, looking for brainzzz and never finding them.
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IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
=)
I posted here, on an open thread, that I had just witnessed hearing/watching on one of the Sunday shows, before the election, one of those DNC folks say, that "Russia" was "about to release a bunch of "fake emails."
I don't care to go fetch it, but others certainly can. My gut has screamed at me lately, so I am trusting my body; and thank you, very much, actually.
Traitor!! n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Are you a Russiagate traitor?
Of course I am! I read c99, after all......
/snarque
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I saw this today
Just to lighten things up?
https://www.theonion.com/the-onion-reviews-christopher-robin-1828056997
Funny and true. nm
Russia did it, damn how did I miss that
UFB
[video:https://caucus99percent.com/content/are-you-russiagate-traitor]
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
This whole thing is starting to look like
the plot to Beavis and Butt-head Do America.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eTqb_fgTAA]
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Bernie's tweet is hysterical
Hey, Bernie. The American people were the ones who should have decided who won the primary, not Hillary, the DNC and the delegates. That you are blaming Her loss on Russia instead of admitting that the American people rejected her makes you nothing more than a democratic puppet. How embarrassing for you.
Every Black voter should abandon the DP until they apologize for their disrespect for the BLM and saying that they only started protesting cops killing Blacks because Russia manipulated them into doing so.
Eichenwald thinks that our intelligence agencies are patriots who have spent their lives working on keeping us safe does he? I agree with Dmitry Orlov's take on them.
US Intelligence Community is Tearing the Country Apart from the
And let's not forget how many coups and false flag events they had a hand in creating that have cost so much misery and death.
The real puppets are the ones who believe in this silly story that Russia is pulling Trump's strings and that the GOP are also Russian puppets. Good grief!
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Say it, Sister! ;-) The entire exercise--
meaning the 'Russia Ruse'--IMO, has been an exercise in setting up a scenario under which the PtB can put in place a system geared toward major social media 'censorship,' and, a face-saving exercise for FSC--just in case she decides to make a third run in 2020. Heaven forbid!
Mollie/Blue Onyx (Reverting to my original handle)
"Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving."~~Author Unknown
“Never, never be afraid to do what’s right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society’s punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.”~~Martin Luther King Jr.
"Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong."~~W. R. Purche
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Coates said the Russias are engaged in "messaging campaign"
Yup. Dan Coates directory of national intelligence came out and accused Russsia of engaging in a "messaging compaign". So how does one stop this messaging campaign. Well, back in the day, the answer was to answer bad speech with more and better speech.
Well, with Russiagate both the media and dem/gop establishment have to come to demand censorship from the major social media platforms. And they have responded. At first they actually didn't and thought the Russia charges were trivial. Until that is, they were theatened by House and Senate reps. And then they hopped to it.
And just a number of days ago, Facebook proudly announced they took down some nefarious pages who seemed to be engaging in a message campaign. And turns out they shut down a real group organizing an anti-fascist rally. There are other examples like this.
The censorship will continue becoming more and more brazen. (BTW, youtube started ths process earlier demonitizing and hurting a lot of popular, but alternative voices.)
BTW--the Young Turks showed the Coats clip and claimed "see the Russians are still hacking our elections".
Hi, Mr W!--good to see you. I couldn't
agree more with all of your comments/sentiments.
I'm truly getting concerned regarding the direction our government appears to be taking when it comes to 'freedom of expression/speech.' Strangely, many on the 'left' don't seem very concerned. Indeed, because the MSM is so intent on going after DT, many so-called progressives--including the supposedly more liberal (cough, cough) lawmakers--have become major cheerleaders of the corporatist media. Go figure.
Mollie/Blue Onyx (Reverting to my original handle)
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went."~~Will Rogers
“Never, never be afraid to do what’s right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society’s punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.”~~Martin Luther King Jr.
"Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong."~~W. R. Purche
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Dan Coates should be fired
as well as every other person in Trump's administration that is working against him. This is insubordination and if Trump continues to let them run their mouths then I believe that he is in on this scam and is playing along with it. Why? Look at what has been happening since he became president. From the increasing Russian sanctions to the internet censorship to the increased military budget with money that goes to fighting cyber warfare and many other things that are being done because of this new and improved false flag.
As you stated YouTube has been removing lots of videos, Facebook and Twitter have been censoring alternative media sites that are not playing along with Russia Gate and Google changed its algorithms so that traffic to those sites are down up to 90% according to WSWS.
I once thought that this would eventually be exposed for the scam it is, but not any more. It's here to stay. And just like in 1984 where there was that place where history was changed to fit the narrative of the day, we are seeing that here. Things that happened last decade are being blamed on Russia hacking. I wouldn't be surprised if the KKK and Jim Crow were blamed on Russia. This is how out of control it's gotten. And I was so looking forward to seeing Rachel trying to explain to her viewers how she got things so wrong.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Trumpy Boy is as complicit in this as the rest of the pigs.
His erratic actions are the perfect distraction for the capitalist pigs the same as the "Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Marxist Communist Fascist Socialist Radical Leftist Feminazi SJW" crap that went on during the last capitalist puppet presidency. Either way, the world still burns and the pigs make out like bandits in the process. Keeping the plebs at each other's throats is just a bonus for them.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Rachel will never admit she's wrong.
Remember whom you are discussing. Alas, you must be a Russian wolfhound to think R. Madcow could ever be wrong. Apologize, then stand in the corner until after the midterms when the GRU hauls off recalcitrant Dims and Repugnants failing to swear fealty to Vladimir Vladimirovich.
The media is silent about Facebook's censorship
This is one of the reasons for the Russiaphobia or should I say gifts?
The Media Is Giving Facebook a Free Pass to Shut Down Activists Over Russia Fears
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
sd yes Orlov calls it like it is.
Caitlin J. Interesting Twitter thread:
https://mobile.twitter.com/caitoz/status/1025482696628137986
"Russiagate is like a mirage. It looks so real from a distance you'll swear it's there and mock anyone who says otherwise, but once you get up close and examine its component parts you find it's made of nothing but innuendo, spin, unsubstantiated claims and dishonest omissions.
2:45 PM · Aug 3, 2018"
And....
https://mobile.twitter.com/caitoz/status/1025489710594945024Caitlin Johnstone
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@caitoz
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Aug 3
Nothing wrong with wanting a full investigation. There's something very, very wrong with pressuring a US president to continually escalate dangerous cold war tensions with a nuclear superpower without ever backing down based on an "idea" with no evidence. "
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
In 2020 Bernie will be a "strong" pro-war candidate
Bernie will not be able to say "Oh evil Russia but let's not go to war with them." Diplomacy itself finally became full criminalized and made tresonous when Trump meet Putin in Finland. Any level of moderation will be attacked as soft on Putin and treasonous.
And I write "pro-war" and not "anti-Russian". One cannot be anti-Russian in any moderate way. Being anti-Russian means supporting a harsh and aggressive military stance toward their nation. The Russians are after all destroying Western civilization and this cannot be meant with diplomacy.
And from what I can, every national democratic candidate for House and Senate will follow suite.
Hard to know what will happen by then but your guess
is as good as mine.
I wonder if this list is correct?
Wars and rumours of wars...
This is OT, and some will say Bernie is sheepdogging these kids.
As a former HS teacher it was still interesting to hear what they had to say.
Heh.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Of course Harris voted against it
There were enough democrats who voted for it to give her cover to not do so.
Speaking of Kampala Harris. Here's what she has to say about identity politics.
Harris blasts critics of 'identity politics'
Oh Kampala. You are echoing Herheinous about this issue. Her asked people if breaking up the big banks would end racism? Of course it wouldn't, but they should be broken up anyway because they keep committing fraud. Ending racism isn't going to do a damn thing for people who are going to get screwed if the banks trigger another economic crisis. I don't understand why people can't see that the democrats can walk and chew gum at the same time.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Wells Fargo foreclosed on 400 people who may have had a chance
to keep their homes. (LA Times PLONK alert, sorry europe)
I think Kamala Harris is the evil epitome of California shit hole politics, a world burning craven tool of cronyism.
June 2018: More problems for Wells Fargo bank customers, including double charges
First Harris, now Bacerra. Why should WF change if they keep getting let off with small fines for criminal activity? Harris is a brand herself, she should not talk about identity politics with her background, and how she was promoted up through the corrupt D-Machine in California. Awful.
I remember Wells Fargo Bank, when it was a "good" California brand, LOL me and Opie (shakes fist at sky)
05_Wells Fargo Wagon
https://youtu.be/g8LHlJSBkg0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornet
PEACE
She had a slam dunk case against Mnuchin
who illegally foreclosed on thousands of people's homes in California, but she let him off. It might have had something to with the money that he donated to her senate campaign. This will come back to bite her when she runs for president.
KAMALA HARRIS FAILS TO EXPLAIN WHY SHE DIDN’T PROSECUTE STEVEN MNUCHIN’S BANK
The article goes on to explain how the Assistance Democratic Party went on to confirm him as treasury secretary.
Resistance my ass!
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
@snoopydawg This is what passes
This is what passes for a full-throated embrace of racial, ethnic and gender issues these days?
I really need to write about this, not that anybody's gonna hear me but you guys.
So glad you all are here.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@snoopydawg Great comment.
Great comment.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The first tweet shows how people twist events
The others show that there are others out there that have seen through this propaganda crap. I'd like to see the breakdown of Hillary supporters that believe Russia Gate and the Bernie supporters that don't. Most of the Trump supporters think it's phony so what made Hillary's believe in something that everyone should be laughing at?
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
@snoopydawg
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
2020 dem candidates will try to out do each other on Russia
Democratic party jingoism in 2020 will be extra-ordinary with candidates each trying to out do each other how they will fuck over Putin and the Russian nation. There will be a shit load of public loyalty testing against any third party candidate by the democrats.
The democrats (and media cohorts) have become an apocolyptic death cult. The language that comes from them is infused with the language of conspiracies, violence, treason, aggression and demonization.
And here is the thing, Bernie to survive electorally will have to become a cult member. Effectively he will have to be pro-war with Russia. He will be giving from the the Left supposed support for aggressive action andmilitarism toward Russia.
I fear that if a democrat becomes president in 2020 (it won't be Bernie), is elected president that in the year of the midterms in 2022, the US will start a real war with Russia which has a highly likehood of going nuclear.
Looking at the (D) field
Hillary, Biden, McAwful, I think I'm voting Green again.
McAwful is in town pimping for JB Pritzker. JB sounded progressive in the primary and his two main rivals were to his Right, but now he is running a Clinton Campaign. Might just vote Third Party for governor too. JB seems to have forgotten what he said in the primary and keeps blatting about Trump and immigrants. Gov of IL can't do anything about that. IL is already a sanctuary state so wtf?
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
At this point at least...
I will vote Green for president as I did last time at least for president. Local state races mixed, but now probably straight Green or other progressive groups.
@MrWebster It won't help him to
It won't help him to parrot this nonsense about Russia. He criticized her. He competed with her. Hell, without all the primary-fixing, he came within an ace of beating her.
That is unforgivable.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Soooooo, Sen. McCarthy was right after all? Dems seem
to be going full-on McCarthy over Russia. How long before his moldering corpse is dusted off and worshipped? Gah!
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Am I a Russiagate traitor?
Damned right I am, and I did it all myself, from my own living room.
No actual Russians were used or harmed in this crass display of buffoonery.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
The Democrats think they're going to be the american Red Guard
They're downright idiots. The first to go to the wall and get shot will be legitimate (and also conservative) patriots - military officers, honest cops, and such. The Democrats will be next. First people of integrity who just happen to believe in what the dictators claim to believe, because they're dangerous. Then the deluded useful tools, because they can't be trusted. (Then the berniecrats, then the sheep that don't bleet on cue, and finally the old man that the neighborhood red guard official doesn't like)
On to Biden since 1973
Thank you for linking Wikileaks comrade
Even though it gives me high anxiety after about two sentences, no matter what the subject.
@webtv
Brent Budowsky Highly Paid Idiot
Mega-registration is a Clintonian D-Value, we already saw Bernie, now watch AOC it seems to me she is bending for a flip, but I don't "follow" the drama. We'll see.
Okay, back to Wikileaks and Brent on Her Heinous,
Cronies get paid whether they are effective or not. That's the system I wanna smash in to bits. Everyone blathering about Russia 2020 and we haven't even hit mid-terms. As the world burns, August still drags for news I guess. My first knee jerk response to this fine essay was snarky "can Russia put out a forest fire?" If yes, then sign me up. But no, it turns out the world really is burning and it has been for a while.
June, 2017: https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/goddard/2017/smoke-and-fires-across-c...
Look at the sidebar over there: Sweden, Central Africa, Tasmania... etc..
Electoral Politics ain't gonna fix much, the Wellstone triad can never happen after Citizen's United. Get real, voting ain't gonna put out any fires, just because your house hasn't burned yet doesn't mean it won't some day. Make dirt, not war. That is my revolution. Thanks
Press Democrat August 4, 2018
PEACE
Webtv?
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Gah.
...
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.