Excellent Summation of Skripal Poisoning Debacle

James O’Neill, at a site called OffGuardian, has written an intelligent piece on the Skripal poisoning. I have bolded the parts that have real significance with respect to our foreign policy.

https://off-guardian.org/2018/04/07/the-rapidly-evolving-skripal-story-e...

Published on April 7, 2018
The Rapidly Evolving Skripal Story: Evidence of the Destruction of an Anglo-American Plan
by James O’Neill

… The issue yet to be properly addressed by the investigation is who had the means, motive and opportunity to carry out what increasingly looks like a false flag attack, and a not very competent one at that.

… the Anglo American attempt at regime change in Syria through its terrorist proxies and others had failed miserably thanks largely to Russian and Iranian intervention.

Those terrorist groups have being responsible for a number of false flag chemical weapons attacks blamed upon the Assad Government. With the liberation of Eastern Ghouta, the Syrian and Russian forces found a significant cache of chemical weapons materials. The Russians announced that those materials were clearly destined to be used in another false flag attack that would provide the justification for United States and its “coalition” allies, including Australia, to mount air and missile attacks upon Syrian and Russian forces.

The chemical cache discovery, which received minimal coverage in the western media, was accompanied by a blunt warning from the Russian military command, that any such air and missile attack would be met with retaliation, including against the source of the attack. This was a clear warning to US ships and missile sites. The discovery of the chemical weapons and materials and the blunt warning were sufficient to deter any attack. Clearly however, the Anglo American forces were angered by their plans being thwarted.

The latest revelations from Porton Down however, are exposing that anti-Russia campaign for the shoddy and deceptive conduct that it is. In time, the Skripal incident will be placed alongside the Gulf of Tonkin, Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction, the attacks upon Yugoslavia in 1996, Afghanistan in 2001, Libya in 2011, and Syria in 2015 as examples of provocations justifying the destruction of societies that threaten Western hegemony.

The Russia-China strategic alliance; the progressive de-dollarization of the world’s economy; and the success of defeats of Anglo American plans in Ukraine, North Korea and elsewhere indicate that the geopolitical balance of the world is changing rapidly. The challenge will be to discourage the increasingly desperate crazies who inhabit Western centres of power from embarking upon a war to try and reverse the inevitable destruction of their rapidly failing plans for “full spectrum dominance.”

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For one thing the story kept changing from one day to the next. Plus they kept adding evidence weeks after the fact.

"It's the car door, it was sprayed into the car's air vents, its now on the front door. The judge gave them a 1% chance of recovering from the most deadliest nerve agent and then two days after that announcement Yulia wakes up, etc...."

The other thing that no one is asking is how did that police man get exposed to the poison? What were his symptoms at the hospital? Why are there no photos of him being released from it?

Were the Skripals even poisoned in the first place, or could they have possibly gotten food poisoning from the restaurant?

Russia warned that there was an upcoming false flag chemical weapons attack weeks ago and that was after Mattis admitted that there was no evidence that Syria or Russia had ever used chemical weapons in Syria. But he was still going to be watching for them to do it.

If it's proven that they got food poisoning from the sea food that they ate 30 minutes before they collapsed, will that make people stop to question what else they might have been lying to us about? I doubt it, but I'm holding out hope.

ps. If they were indeed poisoned by the sea food, will May then explain why the cat was found dead from "the poison that was on the front door? Nah, not a chance.

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@snoopydawg who allegedly also were sickened? Collateral damage? Food poisoning? UK Excrement?

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@Alligator Ed

at the restaurant. Funny how that restaurant is still closed down when they decided that the poison was on the front door, isn't it? Poison Gate makes as much sense as Russia Gate does.

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If this were a trial, the defendent (Russia) would be going home free with all the doubts cast. And these are legitimate doubts as for example, the timing of when the poisoning happened and why the couple survived from what the prosecution is calling the most evil super duper nerve agent.

But then on the other hand, rationality and simple skepticism has left the building with Elvis. People who have fully embraced this and other charges against the Russians never got into their positons logically and rationally.

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Suspected chemical attack 'kills scores' in Syria's Douma
Government forces accused of dropping poisonous chemicals on last rebel stronghold in Eastern Ghouta.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/suspected-chemical-attack-kills-d...

Here we go.

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Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.

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@GreatLakeSailor

Syrian government "using chemical weapons against women and children" when they are winning against the terrorists. As long as the terrorist's are either winning or holding their own, there are no "chemical attacks". The bullshit is so thick you can literally shovel it. Unfortunately 80% of the people get their information from the MSM or cesspits like DKos.

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The Psychopaths That Be just can't can't get enough either of killing or of stealing other people's stuff - and I suppose this will also 'prove' or distract from their claims of Putin pointlessly poisoning some out-of-date double-agent pardoned by a previous President in Britain.

Well, p on them; their obvious pathology ought to be making enough of their allies nervous enough to back off cautiously - while China ought to cut back on their allowances by selling off all of their debt that they bought and hold.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/44045-pentagon-plans-for-three-front-...

Pentagon Plans for Three-Front "Long War" Against China and Russia
Tuesday, April 03, 2018 By Michael T. Klare, TomDispatch | News Analysis

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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A Very British Farce

Mark J. Doran wrote this very British farce. (Publish here with his permission.)

SERGEI: I'm not dead!
MORTICIAN: What?
CUSTOMER: Nothing - here's your ninepence.
SERGEI: I'm not dead!
MORTICIAN: Here - he says he's not dead!
CUSTOMER: Yes, he is. The 'Times' said so. March 12th. Front page. Trust me: he's dead.
SERGEI: I'm not!
MORTICIAN: He isn't.
CUSTOMER: Well, he will be soon. It was a Novichok nerve agent. There's no treatment, and no recovery is possible.
SERGEI: It was just the prawns, that's all! I'm getting better!
CUSTOMER: No, you are not. It was 'military grade', 8 times stronger than VX. You were dead in seconds.
MORTICIAN: Oh, I can't take him like that - it's against regulations.
SERGEI: How's my daughter? And what about my pets?
CUSTOMER: Oh, don't be such a baby.
MORTICIAN: I can't take him ...
SERGEI: I feel fine! I want to go back to Russia!
CUSTOMER: Oh, do us a favor ...
MORTICIAN: I can't.
CUSTOMER: Well, can you hang around a couple of minutes? He won't be long. We've someone coming over ...
MORTICIAN: I think I'll write a letter to the 'Times'.
CUSTOMER: No you bloody won't. Look at the trouble the last one caused.

Thank god that the 'morticians' at the Salisbury District Hospital were less bribable than Monty Python's medieval undertaker.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDnS4pkmzis]

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I also followed a link in the comments, came across this, which I though was interesting, albeit unamusing, indicating that, indeed, the fix is in - this segment beginning well down the page:

http://johnhelmer.net/the-empire-strikes-backwards/

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACKWARDS

By John Helmer, Moscow

Empires are just like everything else going down the toilet. Bits always stick on the porcelain which require more flushing. Embarrassing bits.

Now in its fifth week since the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal in Salisbury on March 4, the bits that cannot be flushed away are producing an odour whose obviousness is embarrassing for Salisbury Hospital and the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW). ...

... Source: https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/CWC/CWC_en.pdf

The Russian proposal was for the Executive Council to enforce these provisions because the UK had been refusing to do so. The OPCW Secretary-General, Ahmet Üzümcü (right with US Secretary of State John Kerry), opened the session with a statement published on the OPCW website. Üzümcü, a Turk, was first appointed to the OPCW post in 2009. Before that, he served the Turkish Government in a variety of posts, including its embassy to NATO. Üzümcü has also been a member of the NATO staff in charge of expanding NATO military operations to the Russian frontier, as well as NATO operations in Ukraine and Syria. For a time also, he was the Turkish consul in the Syrian city of Aleppo.

On Thursday Üzümcü said the UK had invoked Article VIII to start an OPCW investigation of the Salisbury incident. He then described the OPCW inspection of several Salisbury sites and blood sampling of the Skripals in hospital. He also explained how the evidence was “split”, so that the UK received a part, and the OPCW kept the remainder.

“These samples,” Üzümcü claimed, “were sealed and brought to the OPCW laboratory on 23 March 2018. Samples were split in the presence of an expert from the United Kingdom, and the United Kingdom was provided with one split of each sample. The environmental samples were then delivered to two designated laboratories, and the biomedical samples were delivered to another two designated laboratories. The collection, splitting, and transportation of the samples were carried out in-line with the relevant procedures of the Secretariat. The chain-of-custody was fully maintained.”

Üzümcü’s use of the legal term “chain-of-custody” is odd because OPCW is not a judicial body; he is a Turkish national under Turkish law, and the unidentified OPCW personnel responsible for the “splitting” were supervised by the British. No independent verification of the chain of custody or protection against tampering was arranged or published. London lawyers say such evidence would be inadmissible in a British court. Üzümcü’s chain-of-custody claim, comments one, “has no legal merit but it does tell you which side he’s on.” ...

...Source: https://news.sky.com/story/porton-down-experts-unable-to-identify-precis...

“It is our job,” Aitklenhead added, “to provide the scientific evidence of what this particular nerve agent is, we identified that it is from this particular family and that it is a military grade, but it is not our job to say where it was manufactured.”

A study by British academics of this class of nerve agents reported on April 1 that identifying a state origin from the samples examined by Porton Down, or by the OPCW, will be impossible because a large number of states have bench samples in their laboratories or are known to have synthesized them; and because the molecular structure of the agents breaks down swiftly in the blood and in the environment. “Blood tests for nerve agent detect only what is left of the molecule after it has bound to the receptor. The ‘leaving group’ (the rest of the molecule) cannot be identified. For sarin (and presumably for A-234 [Novichok]) the leaving group is a fluorine atom, and for VX the leaving group is a thiol.”

Üzümcü’s statement at yesterday’s session of the OPCW rules out the possibility that the OPCW report will publicly identify the molecular traces in the sampling which has been conducted, and that no source of manufacture will be identifiable.

Since Üzümcü told the Executive Council he was following the UK request to keep the OPCW evidence and its reported conclusion from public release or from Russian examination, the Russians, joined by Iran and China, called for a vote of the Council to require the UK to comply with the Article IX “cooperation” rule. Ahead of the vote, the OPCW published official member statements from several countries.

Fourteen of the members, including Russia (China did not join), declared: “We consider it necessary to ensure that this problem is solved exclusively within the international legal framework using the full potential of the CWC. The stake holders among States Parties of the OPCW should, in close cooperation with each other through constructive dialogue, find a solution for the current dangerous situation and prevent its further escalation.”

A separate Iranian statement explicitly invoked Article IX:

(Statement will not copy here, but indicates that Iran believes that politicization of any issue in the context of the CWC is not in favour of States Parties and endagers the credibility of the OPCW.)

Source: https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/M-57/en
/Statement_by_H.E._Ambassador_Dr._Alireza_Jahangiri_Permanent_Representative_of_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_to_the_OPCW_at_the_57th_Meeting_of_the_EC_4_April_2018.pdf

A statement from the European Union expressed “full confidence in the UK investigation and… UK’s collaboration with the OPCW Technical Secretariat, in full compliance with the Convention.”

The US statement avoided the issue tabled for the vote, announcing instead the US conclusion of the investigation: ...

(Statement will not copy here, but is belligerent in accusing Russia and demanding that the Council must come together to condemn Russia for the attack for which the international community must hold it accountable.)

I'd like to know why anyone stands with, or even near, these lawless, psychopathic maniacs; simple self-interest would dictate a position of self-defense and an alliance with those demonstrating at least some human qualities and survival instincts. Not that there have been many of those allowed to keep public positions and their heads by these lunatics.

Kinda wish I hadn't read this right before bed... but I'll read your 'funny' again and see if that helps.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

either doesn't seem to be on the radar or is apparently still in process of being essayed by those better fit to do so than I, this would seem to be the most appropriate place to post this, following last night's missile attack on Syria's city of Homs, (Jamal producing the only video notification I've seen on this so far, the second video of his which I viewed and an article read elsewhere last night night suggesting Israel as a possibility, the latter stating, as I recall, that missiles had been sighted passing over Lebanon,) as I believe that you will likely still be following this and, whether you've seen any/all of this or not, are likely interested.

This regards, and preserves a portion of, the set-up for the missile attack, and I'm quoting the whole thing, related story insertions and all, in case the article/site winds up blocked from us:

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803131062490824-russia-reaction-us...

19:32 13.03.2018(updated 19:33 13.03.2018)
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MOSCOW (Sputnik) – Russia is outraged and concerned over US threats carry out military attacks in Syria, the Russian Foreign Ministry said Tuesday.

"Such bellicose, irresponsible claims of the US representative are outrageous and extremely concerning … Necessary response measures will be taken in this case," the Russian ministry said.

READ MORE: Moscow Exposes Nusra's Chemical Attack as US Warns It's Ready to Act in Syria

The ministry's statement comes after US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said that the United States was prepared to act on the use of chemical weapons in Syria "if we must." According to Haley, the United States struck at the Shairat airbase, after a chemical attack in Syria's Khan Sheikhoun on April 4, 2017, as the UN Security Council "was unable to take action."

Commenting on the threats from the US to attack Syrian government troops, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that "if there is another strike of this kind, the gravest consequences will follow."

In this image provided by the U.S. Navy, the guided-missile destroyer USS Porter (DDG 78) launches a tomahawk land attack missile in the Mediterranean Sea, Friday, April 7, 2017.
© AP Photo/ Ford Williams/U.S. Navy
US Mulled New Attack on Damascus Over Alleged Chemical Weapons Use – Report
Earlier in the day, the Chief of the Russian General Staff Valery Gerasimov said that Moscow had reliable information about militants preparing to falsify a government chemical attack against civilians. He noted that "in several districts of Eastern Ghouta, a crowd had been assembled with women, children and old people, brought in from other regions, who were to represent the victims of the chemical incident."

On March 12, Syrian government forces found a clandestine workshop for the manufacture of chemical munitions while sweeping through the village of Aftris in Eastern Ghouta after militants withdrew from the community.

This founding came after on February 26, the Anadolu Agency reported that the infamous White Helmets, who have constantly falsified facts and information, claimed that the Syrian Government had deployed chlorine gas against the town of Al-Shifoniya in Eastern Ghouta.

READ MORE: Russian MoD: E Ghouta Militants Struggle After Call for Separation From al-Nusra

When commenting on allegations of the Syrian army's use of chlorine in Eastern Ghouta, Syrian President Bashar Assad said that they are aimed at justifying an attack on Damascus.

A general view taken from a government-held area in Damascus shows smoke rising from the rebel-held enclave of Eastern Ghouta on the outskirts of the Syrian capital following fresh air strikes and rocket fire on February 27, 2018
© AFP 2018/ STRINGER
E Ghouta Terrorists Preparing Chemical Attacks to Discredit Damascus - Russian Military
After the alleged use of chemical weapons in Eastern Ghouta in January, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that Damascus could be using chemical weapons; he also said that Russia is responsible for the victims because of its engagement in Syria.

The Russian Foreign Ministry back then said that Washington was spreading propaganda against Moscow in an attempt to demonize the Syrian government and subsequently topple it, underscoring that the information on the chemical attacks used by the United States was uncorroborated. Damascus, in turn, has constantly denied being in possession of chemical weapons, the destruction of which had been confirmed by the OPCW report.

Apart from the fact that nobody has any right to prevent governments from protecting their people and country from terrorists, this is, considering all known circumstances, clearly protection of their pet terrorists/chemical warfare agents and scheme. And it's stupid, as how are the terrorists to be held to this, when those supporting them and (bracketed insertion being my edit' to suit the facts) '...determined to impose (their) will through chemical attacks and inhuman suffering ...' are instead nobbling the victims?

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803121062448936-haley-syria-un-res...

Moscow Exposes Nusra's Chemical Attack as US Warns It's Ready to Act in Syria
© REUTERS/ Bassam Khabieh
Middle East
19:08 12.03.2018(updated 21:23 12.03.2018

The United States presented a new UN draft resolution on Syria on Monday calling for a 30-day cessation of hostilities in the Damascus suburb of East Ghouta less than a month after the previous resolution demanding a ceasefire across all the Syrian territory was unanimously passed by the UN Security Council.

"We have drafted a new ceasefire resolution that provides no room for evasion," US ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley said in reference to Syrian army's operation against terrorists in East Ghouta, who keep launching attacks on Damascus despite the ongoing ceasefire.

"It is simple, straightforward and binding. It will take effect immediately upon adoption by this Council. It contains no counterterrorism loopholes for Assad, Iran and the Russians to hide behind," she stressed when presenting the resolution, saying that the previous one had "failed."

Russian UN envoy Vasily Nebenzya fired back at the statement by Haley, stressing that Damascus has "every right to try to remove the threat to the safety of its citizens," referring to the terrorists who have entrenched themselves in East Ghouta as a "hotbed of terrorism."

UN Resolution 2401, which was unanimously passed by the Security Council on February 24, called on the parties to the Syrian conflict to stop all hostilities and adhere to a humanitarian pause across Syria in order to ensure the safe and unhindered delivery of humanitarian aid, as well as medical evacuations for those injured.

Chemical Weapons Use in Eastern Ghouta

Haley also said that Washington will act in Syria regarding the chemical weapons use if the UN Security Council doesn't.

"We also warn any nation that is determined to impose its will through chemical attacks and inhuman suffering, most especially the outlaw Syrian regime, the United States remains prepared to act if we must," Haley said.

Vasily Nebenzya said that Nusra Front* militants used chemical weapons in East Ghouta, injuring 30 civilians.

"This was done in order to prepare the ground for unilateral military actions against sovereign Syria," Nebenzya said in reference to the attempts to put the blame on the Syrian government for the use of chemical weapons in the country.

After the alleged use of chemical weapons in Eastern Ghouta in January, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that Damascus could be using chemical weapons; he also said that Russia is responsible for the victims because of its engagement in Syria.

The Russian Foreign Ministry then said Washington was spreading mass propaganda against Moscow in an attempt to demonize the Syrian government and subsequently topple it, underscoring that the information on the chemical attacks used by the United States was uncorroborated.

Damascus has repeatedly stated that it has given up its chemical weapons stockpiles, which was confirmed by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) in 2016.

* a terrorist group banned in Russia

links to (Sputnik News having issues on first try to go through link, for whatever reason):

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201802281062090791-russia-syria-chemi...

Moscow Aware of Prepared Provocations in Syria Involving Chemical Weapons
© REUTERS/ Bassam Khabieh
Middle East
20:48 28.02.2018(updated 22:32 28.02.2018)

I have no idea if the page text and story were changed or not, but there seems to be some disparity between the content and the title and URL and we know that such rewriting of internet text is all-too-possible, so I'm leaving this as is, with the first few sentences of the seemingly unrelated story appearing below the title, following a repeat of the URL below.

And the rest of my search page has just altered to a solid page of propaganda titles below this, which were not present before in what was a variety relating to actual occurrences not involving any 'Syrians fleeing Syrian government advances' nonsense.

We need to record as we go, while we still can.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201802281062090791-russia-syria-chemi...

Russia urges the UNSC to adopt a draft statement in support of the resolution on the humanitarian pause in Syria, Russian Ambassador to the United Nations Vasily Nebenzya said on Saturday.

"We have circulated a draft statement on the implementation of this resolution, and we've put it prior to one o'clock, and we call upon the [Security] Council to adopt it. We hope that by 1:00 p.m. there will be no objections," Russian Ambassador to the UN Vasily Nebenzya said at the UN Security Council meeting on Syria.

The Russian Permanent Representative read out a draft statement to the members of the Council, "The Security Council, in its resolution 2401, urges all parties to implement it and, for this purpose, further urges all armed groups and all Member States that have influence on them to ensure the security of humanitarian corridors for evacuation from Eastern Ghouta."

"The Security Council calls for the establishing similar humanitarian corridors in At Tanf and Rubkan. The Security Council requests the Secretary-General to expeditiously send the mission to Raqqa to assess humanitarian needs there," the envoy stated. ...

The internet blocking of sane and factual coverage and discussion of the missile attack may be why I can find none, apart from Jamal's, which contains little detail and is nearly all chat.

At least we know what's going on, although too many don't and will not have the factual basis to see through the propaganda...

Posting this now, as is, so at least this much is on. Going to try the other links, see if there's anything relevant to add.

Edited to correct a boobed name from 'Homs' from 'Horns', which I cleverly managed to misread on Jamarl's video title and have been repeating until I saw an ER video. Speaking as somebody who knows nothing about Syrian cities/locales other than that virtually all that I see of them seems to now be in ruins... Hell is war.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

@Ellen North

the other being this (again,in entirety, in case access is lost):

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803121062441058-french-weapons-fou...

Syrian Army Reportedly Finds Cache of French Weapons in Liberated Eastern Ghouta
© AFP 2018/ Ammar SULEIMAN
Middle East
15:18 12.03.2018(updated 16:16 12.03.2018)

The suspected find comes on the heels of the military's discovery of a workshop used by militants to manufacture chemical weapons.

Syrian forces involved in a mopping-up operation in recently-freed areas of Eastern Ghouta have come across a large arms depot including weapons made in France, Fars News Agency has reported, citing field sources.

The French-made weapons and ammunition were found during the military's operations to sweep the towns of Modira and Mesraba of militants, the sources said.

A picture taken on March 11, 2018 shows Syrian government forces outside of the town of Jisreen in the southern tip of the rebel-held Eastern Ghouta enclave as they advance in the area
© REUTERS/ STRINGER
Syrian Army Finds Militants' Workshop to Manufacture Chemical Munitions in Eastern Ghouta - Colonel
The discovery of a cache of French-made weapons comes following a report by the Syrian Army Monday that the military had found a clandestine workshop used for the manufacture chemical weapons in the village of Aftris.

Paris has made no secret of its weapons deliveries to Syrian 'rebels', with illicit deliveries continuing in 2012 despite a European embargo. In a 2015 interview, then-President Francois Hollande admitted that France had delivered the weapons, saying that he was "certain that they would end up in the right hands." France provided the militants with small arms, rocket launchers, and anti-tank missiles. In addition to weapons, France has also provided rebel groups with other forms of support, including cash and military advisors. In 2014, Hollande justified the supply of weapons, saying that France "cannot leave the only Syrians who are preparing a democracy…without weapons."

France has been at the front of the line of Western powers accusing Damascus of using chemical weapons in its struggle against militants in Eastern Ghouta. Last month, French President Emmanuel Macron warned that France "will strike" if reports about the Syrian government's use of chemical weapons against civilians were confirmed.

"On chemical weapons, I set a red line and I reaffirm that red line," Macron said, referring to a telephone conversation he had with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The Syrian government has repeatedly denied using chemical weapons, pointing out that their chemical weapons stocks were destroyed in 2014 as part of a deal brokered by Russia and the US.

The Damascus suburb of Eastern Ghouta has been under the control of a motley collection of Islamist militants, including the al-Nusra Front* since 2012, with an estimated 10,000 to 12,000 militants estimated to be holed up in the area. The Syrian Army began a major military operation, code-named 'Damascus Steel', last month in a bid to liberate the territory. According to the latest estimates, the Syrian Army has now liberated well over half of the area, dividing the area under terrorist control into three pockets.

*A terrorist group banned in Russia

Just in case anyone was wondering why all of these right-wing - now termed centre-right - parties somehow started forming governments around the world years back, there's Macron as an example.

Beginning on the links within the story:

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13961221000735

Mon Mar 12, 2018

Syrian Army Seizes French Arms in Terrorists' Positions in Eastern Ghouta

TEHRAN (FNA)- The Syrian Army troops carried out a cleansing operation in the newly-freed regions in Eastern Ghouta, seizing a large depot of terrorists' arms, including French weapons, field sources reported on Monday.

The sources said that the army men launched cleansing operation in the towns of Modira and Mesraba, finding a large volume of arms and ammunition, including France-made munitions and weapons.

In a relevant development on Sunday, the Syrian Air Force carried out fresh raids on terrorists' strongholds in Eastern Ghouta, destroying an arms depot of the Al-Nusra Front (Tahrir al-Sham Hay'at or the Levant Liberation Board) before the start of a daily truce in the region. ...

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803121062431574-syrian-army-chemic...

Syrian Army Finds Chemical Weapons' Workshop in Eastern Ghouta
© REUTERS/ STRINGER
Middle East
11:48 12.03.2018(updated 12:38 12.03.2018)

The suspected find comes on the heels of the military's discovery of a workshop used by militants to manufacture chemical weapons.

Syrian forces involved in a mopping-up operation in recently-freed areas of Eastern Ghouta have come across a large arms depot including weapons made in France, Fars News Agency has reported, citing field sources.

The French-made weapons and ammunition were found during the military's operations to sweep the towns of Modira and Mesraba of militants, the sources said.

A picture taken on March 11, 2018 shows Syrian government forces outside of the town of Jisreen in the southern tip of the rebel-held Eastern Ghouta enclave as they advance in the area
© REUTERS/ STRINGER
Syrian Army Finds Militants' Workshop to Manufacture Chemical Munitions in Eastern Ghouta - Colonel
The discovery of a cache of French-made weapons comes following a report by the Syrian Army Monday that the military had found a clandestine workshop used for the manufacture chemical weapons in the village of Aftris.

Paris has made no secret of its weapons deliveries to Syrian 'rebels', with illicit deliveries continuing in 2012 despite a European embargo. In a 2015 interview, then-President Francois Hollande admitted that France had delivered the weapons, saying that he was "certain that they would end up in the right hands." France provided the militants with small arms, rocket launchers, and anti-tank missiles. In addition to weapons, France has also provided rebel groups with other forms of support, including cash and military advisors. In 2014, Hollande justified the supply of weapons, saying that France "cannot leave the only Syrians who are preparing a democracy…without weapons."

France has been at the front of the line of Western powers accusing Damascus of using chemical weapons in its struggle against militants in Eastern Ghouta. Last month, French President Emmanuel Macron warned that France "will strike" if reports about the Syrian government's use of chemical weapons against civilians were confirmed.

"On chemical weapons, I set a red line and I reaffirm that red line," Macron said, referring to a telephone conversation he had with Russian President Vladimir Putin. The Syrian government has repeatedly denied using chemical weapons, pointing out that their chemical weapons stocks were destroyed in 2014 as part of a deal brokered by Russia and the US.

The Damascus suburb of Eastern Ghouta has been under the control of a motley collection of Islamist militants, including the al-Nusra Front* since 2012, with an estimated 10,000 to 12,000 militants estimated to be holed up in the area. The Syrian Army began a major military operation, code-named 'Damascus Steel', last month in a bid to liberate the territory. According to the latest estimates, the Syrian Army has now liberated well over half of the area, dividing the area under terrorist control into three pockets.

*A terrorist group banned in Russia

WTF???!!!The listing down the side of the above:

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Facebook/Google/Twitter et al algorithms and other censorship taking their toll? Or something acting here to crowd out related stories one would normally expect to see in that position?

Link from bottom of the previous page - this and some people escaping through a humanitarian corridor must be what's being presented in propaganda as 'Syrians fleeing Syrian government advances' and needs to be preserved):

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803091062376132-east-ghouta-protes...

Anti-Militant Protests Erupt in Syria's East Ghouta in Support of Syrian Army
© Sputnik/ Mikhail Alayeddin
Middle East
18:05 09.03.2018(updated 12:52 10.03.2018)

Local Syrians in parts of Damascus’ East Ghouta pocket have been protesting against militants, calling on them to leave the area and allow the Syrian Army in. Rallies have been held in recently liberated areas and parts of east Ghouta which are still under the control of hardline Islamist militants.

New footage posted on social media platforms today reportedly show fresh anti-militant protests and pro-government rallies in east Ghouta.

Dozens of civilians gathered in the city of Hamouriyah – which is reportedly still under the control of militants – earlier today, waving makeshift Syrian flags and chanting anti-militant slogans.

Hassan Ridha @sayed_ridha
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SAA advance in Hamouriyah - Saqba farms and eliminate all militants in Ahlam Factory axis who were attempting to reenter Beit Sawa, E Ghouta

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Pro-government forces, led by the Syrian Army's fourth armored division and Republican Guard, are advancing towards the area after successfully repelling a militant counter-attack, and subsequently seizing nearby farms.

Similar protests also took place just hours ago in the town of Kafr Batna, which is also under the control of militants.

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Additionally, a large-scale pro-government rally was held in the recently liberated village of Al-Ghizlaniyah, calling on militants to surrender and allow civilians to leave other parts of east Ghouta.

(my insert: Arabic tweet with pics of protest at source in this position)

The Syrian Army began mobilizing troops, armor and artillery last month, in preparation of this ongoing offensive — operation Damascus Steel — and have liberated over 50 percent of east Ghouta in around two weeks.

Terrorists have also shelled government-held parts of Damascus, resulting in hundreds of civilian casualties and school closures. Thousands of Damascenes have fled to the coastal region in fear of their lives.

This is also interesting, if such a term can used for this complex - and carefully created - horror:

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803121062429627-syria-east-ghouta-...

Russian MoD: E Ghouta Militants Struggle After Call for Separation From al-Nusra
© AFP 2018/ Ammar SULEIMAN
Middle East
10:27 12.03.2018(updated 13:48 12.03.2018)

Groups of militants in Eastern Ghouta started an open confrontation after demanding that the opposition group Faylaq al-Rahman break ties with the internationally-condemned terrorist organization Jabhat al-Nusra, Vladimir Zolotukhin, a representative of the Russian Center for Syrian Reconciliation, told journalists on Monday.

"After the Center for Reconciliation demanded the immediate disengagement of the Faylaq al-Rahman group from the terrorist organization Jabhat al Nusra to discuss their further withdrawal from the region, the confrontation between the groups began. In the streets there are open battles between members of illegal armed formations; civilians are forced to seek shelter in order not to become victims of hostilities," Vladimir Zolotukhin said.

Earlier, representatives of the reconciliation center held negotiations with the leaders of the illegal armed group Faylaq al-Rahman, where they made the demand. The parties discussed issues related to withdrawal of the Jabhat al Nusra formations from Eastern Ghouta to Idlib as well as further destiny of the Faylaq al-Rahman group's members.

READ MORE: 50+ Fled Syria's Eastern Ghouta Via Humanitarian Corridor — Russian Military

The Syrian government forces have surrounded two major terrorist strongholds in the cities of Harasta and Duma in the enclave of Eastern Ghouta, an informed local source told Sputnik on Monday.

"Each of the cities [Harasta and Duma] is closely surrounded," the source said.

According to the source, the armed forces are at the cities' limits in the south. A number of districts in Harasta from the side of the highway linking Damascus and Homs have already been liberated.

People are seen in the besieged town of Douma, Eastern Ghouta, in Damascus, Syria March 9, 2018
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E Ghouta Militants Plan to Conduct Chemical Attack, Involving Several Women to Blame Damascus - Syrian Foreign Ministry
The fourteenth humanitarian pause began in Eastern Ghouta on Monday at 9.00 local time (10.00 Moscow time), there are two humanitarian corridors for the evacuation of civilians and militants — in the settlements of Muhayam and Mlekha. Recently, 52 residents of Misrab, including 26 children managed to leave the area. At the moment, militants continue to block outlets to the humanitarian corridor from Eastern Ghouta, preventing civilians from leaving the area.

The UN Security Council unanimously adopted resolution 2401 that urged all parties to the conflict to immediately stop all fighting's and adhere to a long-term humanitarian pause on the entire territory of Syria.

Eastern Ghouta was occupied by militants in 2012. According to Syrian Army estimations, there are 10,000-12,000 militants in the area. Despite the recent UN resolution, the combat has not ended, even when the humanitarian pause was in place, according to Russian Defense Ministry's center for Syrian reconciliation.

*Daesh (also known as ISIS/ISIL/IS) and Jabhat al Nusra are terrorist groups banned in Russia

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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and the thread seems to be remarkably dead considering the implications here... but I don't know what to do either, than to point to information of the sort likely to be censored away from our reach shortly.

Leaving off following the rest of the links on the original page; searching for something on the missile attack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnbYafeNHR0

Israeli warplanes carried out strikes on Syrian airbase – Russian MoD
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Published on 9 Apr 2018

Two Israeli F-15 fighters targeted Syria’s T-4 airbase in Homs province, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Monday. The jets fired eight guided missiles, but five of them were shot down before they hit the airfield.

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Because Hillary wasn't perhaps the only one swearing to billionaire donors to sacrifice America's interests to serve the Israel Likud goals? And because America and other corporate/military/fascist-infiltrated governments will eagerly move to nukes if anyone strikes back at their missile-firing warplanes or military installations while portraying this response as 'unprovoked' and aimed at their 'betters'?

Can't have Syria, Russia, Iran and others fighting the terrorists likely employed in the *Gladios terrorist-inventing programs of the War On The World begun by Hitler-supporting US industrialists who failed the first time and refuse to accept their failure now to take over and entirely micro-manage the world they're so evidently willing to destroy in this attempt.

Above links to:

https://www.rt.com/news/423545-israel-planes-syria-strike/

2 Israeli warplanes carried out strikes on Syrian airbase – Russian MoD
Published time: 9 Apr, 2018 07:08
Edited time: 9 Apr, 2018 13:56

Two Israeli F-15 fighters targeted Syria’s T-4 airbase in Homs province, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Monday. The jets fired eight guided missiles, but five of them were shot down before they hit the airfield.

In a statement on Monday, the Russian military said: “Two Israeli Air Force F-15 jets fired eight guided missiles at the T-4 airfield.” The Israeli aircraft did not enter Syrian airspace and launched the strikes while flying over Lebanon.

“Syrian air defense units have shot down five guided missiles,” the military said, but confirmed that three of the missiles “reached the western part of the airfield.”

Lebanese Armed Forces have also confirmed that Israeli fighter jets and a reconnaissance plane violated the country’s borders and remained in Lebanon’s airspace for about ten minutes. Israel’s aircraft were flying over Lebanon’s northern areas as well as over the sea, it said.

As a result of the strike, there were several “martyrs [killed] and wounded” among Syrian soldiers, SANA news agency reported, without specifying the number of casualties.

Three Iranian troops were killed in the Israeli airstrike on Sunday night, state news agency FARS reported later on Monday. The “Zionist attack in Homs” took the lives of Seyyed Ammar Moussavi, Mehdi Lotfi Niasar and Akbar Zavar Jannati, it said, publishing photographs of the soldiers.

The Israeli embassy in Moscow refused to comment on the Russian Defense Ministry’s report, Alex Gandler, the diplomatic mission’s press attache, told Sputnik. Asked about the Russian military’s statement, an Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) spokesman said he had no immediate comment, the Jerusalem Post reported.

Citing its own correspondent, Lebanon’s Al-Mayadeen channel said earlier on Monday that an Israeli reconnaissance aircraft was airborne during the attack on the Syrian base. The missiles crossed Lebanese airspace over Keserwan and Bekaa, heading towards Syria, according to the broadcaster.

The missile attack took place on Sunday night in Syria’s Homs governorate. State news agency SANA reported there were several “martyrs and wounded,” but did not disclose the exact number of casualties. The report also said that the US was “probably” behind the attack, although Washington denied any complicity in the strike.

READ MORE: Red Crescent found no trace of previous 'Ghouta chem attack' used by US to blame Damascus & Moscow

“At this time, the Department of Defense is not conducting airstrikes in Syria,” the Pentagon told Reuters in a statement. “However, we continue to closely watch the situation and support the ongoing diplomatic efforts to hold those who use chemical weapons, in Syria and otherwise, accountable.”

France, which was also suspected of being involved in the attack, denied any responsibility for the military strike, AFP reported on Monday.

The strike on the T-4 base came shortly after Western powers accused the Syrian government of orchestrating an alleged a chlorine attack in the militant-held town of Douma. The chemical incident was reported by the White Helmets, a controversial group repeatedly accused of having ties to terrorists.

Commenting on the unconfirmed gas attack, US President Donald Trump denounced the “mindless” atrocity, which he described as a “humanitarian disaster for no reason whatsoever.” He also accused Russia and Iran of bearing responsibility for the incident, due to their support for Syrian President Bashar Assad.

Washington and Paris have already held telephone talks, during which Trump and his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron decided to oppose Russia at the upcoming United Nations Security Council meeting, which is being convened to discuss the Douma incident. President Macron previously signaled that Paris might consider unilateral actions, including a military strike, if chemical weapons were ever used in Syria again.

The Russian Foreign Ministry denounced allegations regarding the chemical attack, calling them a “continuous series of fake news” and “baseless speculation.” It noted that Moscow had already warned about a false-flag chemical attack being prepared in recent months. Damascus also rejected the accusations, with the Syrian Foreign Ministry pointing out that similar allegations emerge every time the Syrian Army makes advances in its fight against terrorists.

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https://www.rt.com/news/423539-red-crescent-ghouta-no-chemical/

Red Crescent says it found no trace of ‘Ghouta chem attack’ used by US to blame Damascus & Moscow
Published time: 9 Apr, 2018 01:26
Edited time: 9 Apr, 2018 15:37

A former US secretary of state said Moscow was “ultimately responsible” for all chemical incidents in Syria, after reports of a chlorine attack in Ghouta in January. Now, the Syrian Red Crescent says there was no such attack.

The medical specialists, who have worked in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta for years, told journalists they did not see any evidence of any chemical incident taking place in the area in January. They also did not confirm reports about an alleged chlorine gas attack that, supposedly, affected more than 20 civilians on January 22.

"At some point, our [hospital] received six people, who were allegedly suffering from respiratory problems. Following a medical examination, we did not find any problems at all, any traces of chemical agents," Seif Aldin Hobia, a member of the Syrian Arab Red Crescent, who worked for the last seven years at the central hospital of Douma in Eastern Ghouta, said. Recalling the events that took place in January, he added: "we had no evidence of chemical agents being used [in the area]."

His words were echoed by another medical specialist from the Syrian Arab Red Crescent, Muhammad Adnan Tabazhu, who claimed that the medics obtained no evidence of chemical weapons being used in Eastern Ghouta between 2012 and 2018, when he was working in the area.

The Syrian Arab Red Crescent (SARC) is a local humanitarian NGO that says it “enjoys financial and administrative independence.” The organization was established in 1942 and recognized by the International Committee of the Red Cross in Geneva (ICRC) in 1946. It has a headquarters in Damascus. The ICRC says it actively cooperates with the SARC in its humanitarian operations across Syria.

Back in January, former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson famously claimed that "more than 20 civilians, mostly children, were victims of an apparent chlorine gas attack," adding that the incident raised "serious concerns that [Syrian President] Bashar al-Assad may be continuing to use chemical weapons against his own people."

‘Syria gases own people just as Trump mulls withdrawal?’ Journalists question Douma ‘chem attack’

He then immediately said that "whoever conducted the attacks, Russia ultimately bears responsibility for the victims in Eastern Ghouta and countless other Syrians targeted with chemical weapons since Russia became involved in Syria."

The timing of the incident conspicuously coincided with a 29-nation conference in Paris, organized to create the 'International Partnership against Impunity for the Use of Chemical Weapons.' The reports about the ‘attack’ came just a day ahead of the meeting. The claims were produced by controversial sources, namely the White Helmets and the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR).

Moscow at the time slammed the US accusations as a "massive propaganda attack conducted with the purpose of slandering Russia on the world stage and undermining efforts for a peaceful settlement in Syria." Back then, Russia also called an emergency UN Security Council meeting to discuss the allegations of the use of chemical weapons in Syria.

In early February, Pentagon chief James Mattis admitted that the US had no evidence of such chemical agents as sarin ever being used by the Syrian government at all. He also openly said that the only information the US had been able to obtain, so far, had come from "other groups on the ground, NGOs, fighters on the ground" and just "people who claim it's been used."

Mattis, however, claimed that it was "clear" that Damascus had used chlorine gas in the Syrian conflict but, as before, failed to provide any evidence to substantiate his claims. Reports of chemical attacks, blamed on Damascus, had repeatedly surfaced earlier, with Western media and officials immediately jumping at the opportunity to put all the blame for such incidents on the Syrian government and Moscow, often only to admit later that they actually had no verifiable evidence that the attacks in question had even taken place.

The latest revelations come amid another wave of hysteria that followed yet another claim made by the same controversial pro-militant sources that, once again, have accused Damascus of carrying out a chemical attack in the town of Douma on Saturday. Syria and Russia dismissed all the accusations and called the reports fake news and propaganda, which were aimed at helping the extremists and justifying potential strikes against Syrian forces.

EDITORIAL NOTE: This story has been amended to better reflect the fact that it represents the statements of the Syrian Red Crescent NGO. The text lacked attribution when describing the alleged chemical attack in Syria’s Ghouta in January as something that never happened.

And one more thing - are the Skripals alive or (as with their murdered pets) is a maximally limited pretense being made to keep their deaths quiet by claiming that they want no outside contact, so that there is no hazard of family demanding and getting an independent autopsy, or are they being held incognito until they agree to corroboratory whatever the official story is by then, or until an official story is settled on, or until it's too late for any story to matter, or what???!!!

https://www.rt.com/uk/423430-yulia-skripal-cousin-visa/

Skripal relative denied visa to visit UK and return poisoned relatives to Russia
Published time: 6 Apr, 2018 16:43
Edited time: 7 Apr, 2018 10:50

Sergei Skripal’s niece has been denied a visa to enter the UK after claiming she would come and take her relatives back to Russia.

Viktoria Skripal had planned to travel to Britain after her uncle Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were exposed to a chemical agent in Salisbury on March 4.

The UK Home Office said on Friday that Viktoria is not being granted a visa to come to the UK. “We have refused a visitor visa application from Viktoria Skripal on the grounds that her application did not comply with the Immigration Rules,” a Home Office spokesman said.

Viktoria was behind the first public statements from either of the Skripals and the world’s media this week when she released a recording of a phone call with her cousin Yulia.

In the clip, the two discussed Viktoria getting a visa. Yulia flatly told her she would not be granted one.

“Vika, nobody will give you a visa,” Yulia said.

She said she and her father were fine and there were no life changing injuries. She gave little detail other than to say they would address one issue at a time.

Russian Ambassador Alexander Yakavenko said the embassy is currently getting its information from the mainstream media, after being locked out of Britain’s investigation. He says requests for access to the Skripals have been repeatedly denied.

Russia's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman, Maria Zakharova, has demanded that London officially explain the grounds on which the visa was denied to Viktoria Skripal. "This is a complete and utter disgrace when a country, which is vocal about every aspect of Russian domestic politics, [and] our lives, [the UK] for some reason refuses to comment on the British visa issue in such extraordinary circumstances," Zakharova told Rossiya 24 channel.

The spokeswoman also rejected speculation in the media that the cousin was somehow influenced by the Russian authorities. "This is complete absurdity, but we've already heard hundreds of such absurd statements coming from Britain," she said.

https://www.rt.com/news/423404-skripal-uk-russia-johnson/

'Skripal case plays amazingly into Britain’s campaign to isolate Russia'
Published time: 6 Apr, 2018

Britain has been trying to wage a campaign of isolation against Russia for years, and 28 countries expelling Russian diplomats played amazingly into these efforts, says independent political analyst Dan Glazebrook.

At an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council on Thursday, Russia said that Britain was playing with fire by accusing Moscow of poisoning of former double agent Sergey Skripal and his daughter, Yulia. The UK reiterated its allegation that it was “highly likely” that Russia was responsible.

RT spoke to political analyst Dan Glazebrook, who believes that the UK's evidence is crumbling.

RT: The Russian Ambassador to the UN Vasily Nebenzia described the UK allegations as a "theater of the absurd." Is that an accurate description?
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© Li Muzi 'Theater of absurd': Russian envoy shows UK version of Skripal case 'falls apart' (VIDEO)

Dan Glazebrook: Absolutely. There have been three pillars of the UK case and they are crumbling away one by one. The basic three pillars are: first, this pseudo-scientific argument that this is Novichok, this chemical that no one ever heard of until three weeks ago, this nerve agent, and it is only Russia that is capable of producing it and using it. And the second [has] to do with this idea that Russia has form and the motive. But the first case is really crumbling away now that the head of Porton Down has come out and admitted, “We can’t verify that this is Russian-manufactured.” Two very important facts are totally obscured and neglected in the mainstream media. One is that in September 2017, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) actually verified the destruction of Russia’s entire chemical weapons program. The US and the UK have never put forward any reasons as to why they doubt the OPCW’s verification here or any evidence that Russia still is producing Novichok. But that is a very important piece of information that is never picked up on. And secondly, the Russian chemist who revealed the existence of Novichok published a book with his formula in 2008, saying that it could actually be made with fairly simple bits and pieces you get in pesticides and fertilizers. Far from the idea that Russia is the only power capable of producing this stuff, it turns out that actually anyone with access to a decent lab and Amazon.com could produce this stuff. So, that holds that pseudo-scientific argument that it could be only Russia completely crumbled away.

First of all, we have to start with the premise that in recent months, Russia has been blamed for everything from the kneeling scandal in the NFL to the Charlottesville protests. Russia seems to be the first country that is blamed for anything. That makes me very skeptical when people rush to judgment against Russia, especially the US, which Russia seems to be the punching bag for… right now, but frankly, for many decades. There is no evidence Russia was behind this and frankly, the motive doesn’t appear to be there. Why would Russia wait for 8 years to go after this spy and his daughter? […] This smells like a set-up of Russia, and people have to be skeptical of what is happening. – Dan Kovalik, human and labor rights lawyer, author of The Plot to Scapegoat Russia: How the CIA and the Deep State Have Conspired to Vilify Putin

RT: Vasily Nebenzia also said on a practical level it would make no sense to carry out such an attack before the Russian election and the World Cup. Is it fair to say the UK has failed to come up with a convincing motive?
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Police guard the cordoned-off area around the home of former double agent Sergei Skripal in Salisbury, April 3, 2018 © Hannah McKay Sergei Skripal’s pets die after investigators sealed off home despite vet warning

DG: Exactly. With the crumbling away of this pseudo-scientific part of the argument, Boris Johnson [and others] are left really revealed that actually they don’t have evidence as such but Russia has the form and has the motive. This is now basically the case that the UK is making. If we look at form, Boris Johnson really needs to learn a bit of his own history before he starts accusing Russia of form in this regard. Not only has Britain invaded 90 percent of the world’s countries, not only has Britain committed active genocide on most of the world’s continents, but actually we know from a report by the Independent newspaper two years ago the extent of the British state’s testing of chemical and biological warfare on its own population is much bigger than anyone ever realized. Over 750 experiments carried out on unsuspecting, non-volunteers, members of the population in coastal towns in Britain, on the Tube, or London Underground, having chemical or biological agents released on them during the Cold War from the ‘40s to the ‘50s. And including testing sarin nerve gas on British soldiers right up until the 1980s. So, if we are going to talk about form, Mr. Johnson, Britain has form on using nerve agents against British citizens on British soil. So, then it is reduced down to ‘motive’… I get the idea that you want to send a message to the so-called traitors, that Putin wants a spat with the West in advance of the election. I understand that. But what about what Britain has gained of all of this? Britain has got 28 countries to expel Russian diplomats. Hasn’t Britain been trying to wage this campaign of isolation against Russia for years now? Hasn’t this amazingly played into this campaign? If we are going to reduce everything to “which country’s got the form and the motive,” then Britain is on a very shaky grounds accusing Russia. And that is why it is so important to have evidence rather than just talking about motives.

And regarding the murder of the victim's pets by these 'deeply protective' psychopaths, there have been reports both that they were all callously and deliberately starved to death, that the cat (apparently deeply beloved and worth $2,500 (presumably Euro?) was taken to Porton Down for 'testing' - and kittie's remains cremated - at Porton Down while the pet guinea pigs were left to starve, and that all pets were taken to Porton Down for tests and cremated.

Now, if Skirpal's alive without damage and they do anything like that to any helpless animal, never mind his beloved (and very expensive) pets, while keeping him and his also alive and undamaged daughter incognito, what does that say about the people behind this and their concern for his well-being? Was he told that they were doing this to his pets because he failed to go along with the story and is still in isolation because of perhaps still refusing to help initiate WW3 on a lie?

Or did they know that he was dead and that revealing his death and refusing to release his body to family to prevent an uncontrolled autopsy to reveal some truth exploding their claims and implicating them was not an option and decide to simply delay until they'd created an excuse to trigger WW3?

As with this thwarted planned chemical attack by pet terrorists to be blamed on Syria, Russia (and apparently Iran by some eager to maximize excuses for attacks against more of the targeted countries - like Trump**) which was anyway claimed to have gone forward, with any appropriate response to Israels attack likely to be an excuse to move to nukes, trying for a 'limited nuclear war' which they apparently believe they'll survive in luxury bunkers and eventually some imagined to remain/recover as more inhabitable areas of the planet, but in actuality forcing an inevitable MAD ultimately leaving no life on the planet anyway?

* https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio

... Official narrative

What has come to be called Operation Gladio was never intended to be publicly acknowledged. It was a multi-national military plan to arm and train clandestine groups in many (perhaps all) of its member countries and elsewhere in Europe. The official narrative on these networks is confused, contradictory and definitely incomplete, with many basic questions unanswered. The stated reasons for establishing undercover armed groups has tended to focus on use of the secret armies as a fifth column to provide armed resistance in the case of a Soviet invasion.
Problems

The power hierarchy of Gladio remains unclear to this day, and is unknown to elected national leaders. When the European Union learned of the existence of Gladio, it passed a resolution mandating national investigations to reveal what was going on, but as of 2016, only 5 countries have done so (including Italy, Belgium, Netherlands and Switzerland). A large question mark therefore remains over the role that Operation Gladio has played, and continues to play in influencing events. It seems very likely that the deep state controls these forces whether through the national intelligence services or in more informal fashion. The connection, in particular, with false flag terrorist attacks is particularly concerning.
Operation Gladio B

Full article: Rated 5/5 Operation Gladio B

Sibel Edmonds has exposed an international development of the original Gladio program referred to as "Operation Gladio B", which can be understood as a response in the min 1990s to the subsidence of the Soviet threat after the end of the cold war. As a way of kickstarting the "war on terror", instead of nationalist extremists in European countries, radical Muslims are armed, trained and assisted to carry out terrorist attacks while law enforcement is prevented from intervening.
Introduction
Dr. Daniele Ganser Interview: Nato's Secret Armies - Operation Gladio

Operation Gladio first came to light in Italy in 1990, after over 40 years of clandestine operations. Members of the project revealed that similar projects existed in most if not all countries of Western Europe.[2] These stay-behind networks were, in essence, super secret armies in at least 14 European countries, which were kept secret from the official governmental structures of the host countries – being controlled by other forces such as the CIA and MI6. They remained mostly dormant but were also involved in anti-communist activities including anti-democratic agitation and false flag "terrorism".

The name Gladio, (or ‘Sword’ in Italian) was technically the name given to their operations in Italy, but has since come by extension to stand for the phenomenon as a whole. Evidence of such arrangements, which had been kept secret from both public and politicians democratically elected governments in the host countries for a quarter of a century was revealed through a series of scandalous revelations in Italy and other NATO countries during the 90s, and meticulously documented by Swiss historian Daniele Ganser in his 2004 book NATO’s Secret Armies,[3] arguably the most shocking book ever to be ignored by the corporate media. The evidence contained in Ganser’s book, of terrorism directed against the people by secret armies funded and organised by NATO and answerable to deep state elements within NATO, MI6 and the CIA rather than the respective governments is so shocking that the initial reaction of most people would be to reject it. And yet the claims have been substantiated by juridical inquiries in Italy, Switzerland and Belgium and have been debated (and condemned) in the European Parliament. ...

... The Scandal Spreads

Fortuitously for the powers-that-be Andreotti’s revelations coincided with Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Kuwait and as a result did not garner the publicity they almost certainly otherwise would have. Even so, the scandal began to spread. In October Greek Prime Minister Andreas Papandreou confirmed there had been a Gladio network in Greece. In Germany a TV programme shocked the nation by revealing how former members of Hitler’s Special Forces SS had been part of a German stay-behind network. The Belgian Parliament appointed a special committee to investigate the existence – confirmed by the defence minister – of a Belgian Gladio network.

Most sensitively the Belgian parliamentarians discovered that the secret NATO army was still active. They found that a secret meeting of Generals directing the secret stay-behind armies in the numerous countries in Western Europe had been held in the secret NATO-linked Gladio headquarters ACC as recently as October 23 and 24, 1990. The meeting of the ACC had taken place in Brussels under the chairmanship of General Raymond Van Calster, chief of the Belgian military secret service SGR (Service General de Renseignement).[5]

In France President Mitterand claimed that the French Gladio network had been dissolved long ago but to his enormous embarrassment Andreotti then claimed the French had taken part in the recent meeting in Brussels. And so it went on. British defence officials refused to comment. In Portugal, contrary to official denials, a retired general confirmed there had been such a network in Portugal, while in Spain former defence minister Alberto Oliart claimed it was childish to "ask whether also under dictator Franco a secret right-wing army had existed in the country because 'here Gladio was the government'."[6]

In Turkey former prime minister Bulent Ecevit went even further and admitted that a secret army had been involved in torture, massacres, assassinations and coups d'etat, prompting the serving defence minister Giray to retort "Ecevit had better keep his fucking mouth shut!"[7]
The EU Debate

In all, 12 EU countries were affected and on November 22 1990 the European Parliament debated the issue.

The tone was set by Greek parliamentarian Ephremidis:

'Mr. President, the Gladio system has operated for four decades under various names. It has operated clandestinely, and we are entitled to attribute to it all the destabilization, all the provocation and all the terrorism that have occurred in our countries over these four decades, and to say that, actively or passively, it must have had an involvement.' Ephremidis sharply criticised the entire stay-behind network: 'The fact that it was set up by the CIA and NATO which, while purporting to defend democracy were actually undermining it and using it for their own nefarious purposes.'

(DG p.21) ...

...Silence from NATO, CIA & MI6

NATO reacted to these revelations in November 1990 with confusion. Against a background of newspaper headlines typified by the Guardian’s ‘Bombs Used at Bologna came from NATO unit’, spokesmen first denied the stories and then denied the denials by saying it was a subject which couldn’t be discussed on grounds of military secrecy.

The Portuguese press reported on November 7 a confirmation, NATO secretary General Manfred Woerner was quoted as telling in secret 16 ambassadors of NATO countries, Worner confirmed that the military command of the allied forces - Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) - coordinated the activities of the

"Gladio Network", which had been erected by the secret services in various countries of NATO, through a committee created in 1952.
(DG p.27)

German press confirmed that the so-called Secret Armies were co-ordinated in a special secure wing of NATO HQ in Casteau. Access was via a bank vault type door and papers were circulated with the stamp ‘American Eyes Only.’

The revelations began to mount and a picture emerged of a NATO Clandestine Planning Committee, responsible for the Gladio armies; of protocols which actively protected right-wing extremists from pursuit since they would be useful in anti-Communist activities. The CPC was run by the US with the UK and France as junior partners, with CIA members present at their meetings. Despite numerous revelations from those who took part, the official NATO position was (and is) one of denial. Official CIA response to information requests has been to neither confirm nor deny. In the UK, MI6 was even more cagey, prompting John Simpson on BBC 2’s Newsnight programme in April 1991 to say

'Britain's role in setting up stay-behinds throughout Europe was absolutely fundamental... it has emerged that other European countries had their own stay-behind armies - Belgium, France, Holland, Spain, Greece, Turkey. Even in neutral Sweden and Switzerland there has been public debate. And in some cases enquiries have been set up. Yet in Britain, there is nothing. Save the customary comment of the ministry of defence that they don't discuss matters of national security.'

(DG p.36)

Paradoxically, despite the secrecy, an exhibition at the Imperial War Museum tacitly admitted the existence of the stay behind networks, and subsequent to this, two former Royal Marine officers admitted to having spent time at Fort Monckton near Portsmouth where MI6 and members of the SAS trained foreign gladiators.
Precursors

The original models for the secret armies had been set up in the UK during WW2 by Section D of MI6. Arms caches were buried in anticipation of a German invasion. Initially, this was a purely domestic affair, but in 1940 with the inception of Special Operations Executive (SOE) the same tactics were taken behind enemy lines throughout occupied Europe. Officially SOE was closed down in 1946 and gave way to a successor - Special Operation (SO) - created under the auspices of MI6 to translate the same networks into resistance in countries overrun by the Soviets. Surviving secret units of the Axis powers were targeted and members of the defeated were sometimes recruited for the new anti-Soviet stay-behind networks. ...

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** https://www.rt.com/news/423524-douma-chemical-attack-fake-moscow/

Reports of an alleged gas attack in the Syrian town of Douma are ‘fake news’ aimed at justifying potential strikes against Syria, Moscow said. It warned of “dire consequences” in the event of any military interference.

The Russian Foreign Ministry denounced the latest reports about a chemical attack that allegedly affected dozens of civilians in the militant-controlled town of Douma. It said the reports were another example of a “continuous series of fake news about the use of chlorine and other chemical agents by the government forces.”
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FILE PHOTO: A man walks on rubble of damaged buildings in the town of Douma, Eastern Ghouta © Bassam Khabieh US holds Russia ‘ultimately responsible’ amid reports of dozens gassed in Syria’s Douma

The ministry pointed out that the source of the reports was the notorious “civil defense” group, the White Helmets, which has been repeatedly accused of having ties to terrorists, as well as other groups based in the US and UK.

Russia has warned about a false-flag chemical attack being prepared in the recent months, the ministry said. Those who are not interested in a genuine political settlement of the Syrian crisis are seeking to complicate the situation on the ground, it added.

“The goal of this… baseless speculation is to shield the terrorists and… the radical opposition that refuse to engage in a political settlement [process], as well as to justify potential military strikes from the outside,” the statement said. It then warned that any military interference in Syria conducted under “far-fetched or fabricated pretexts” would be “absolutely unacceptable” and could lead to “dire consequences.”

Meanwhile, the reports by various rebel-linked activists about the alleged chemical incident in Douma seem to have provoked yet another wave of hysteria in the West. US President Donald Trump rushed to denounce the unconfirmed attack as a “mindless” atrocity and a “humanitarian disaster for no reason whatsoever.” He also warned that those behind the alleged attack ‘will pay a big price.’

(Trump tweets)

Accusations against the Syrian government and Russia soon followed. In his Twitter posts, Trump declared “President [Vladimir] Putin, Russia and Iran… responsible” for the attack because of their backing for Syrian President Bashar Assad. Earlier, the US State Department also said that “Russia ultimately bears responsibility for the brutal targeting of countless Syrians with chemical weapons.”
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Iranian Defense Minister Amir Hatami in Moscow on April 4, 2018.© Alexander Nemenov US tried to play 'controlled chaos' among Muslim nations and lost – Iran

However, US officials admitted that they were unable to independently verify any information about the alleged incident and had to rely solely on “reports” made by rebel-linked sources.

The EU claimed on Sunday that there is “evidence” pointing to “another chemical attack” conducted by Damascus. It provided no specific details to substantiate the claim. Instead, the bloc called for an immediate “international response” and urged Russia and Iran to use their influence to prevent any similar incidents in future.

Damascus rejected the accusations, calling them “boring and inconclusive propaganda.” Only countries that “speculate on the blood of civilians and support terrorism in Syria” could be convinced by such reports, a Syrian Foreign Ministry official told SANA news agency. They pointed out that similar allegations emerge every time the Syrian Army makes advances in its fight against terrorists. The official added that Damascus had warned about a pre-planned false-flag attack.

Tehran has denounced statements made by US officials, describing them as “baseless accusations” that could be used as a pretext for military actions against the Syrian Army.

Meanwhile, the US administration appears to be already considering a potential response to the alleged chemical incident. “We'll be reviewing the situation later today,” US Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told CBS, commenting on a possible response. He refused to outline any particular options that are being considered, but said that Donald Trump and his national security team will be reviewing “all different alternatives.” Asked about the possibility of another US strike, the president’s Homeland Security Advisor Thomas Bossert said: “I wouldn’t take anything off the table.”
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Rebel fighters pray before they are evacuated outside Harasta in eastern Ghouta, March 23, 2018 / Omar Sanadiki 143k civilians & rebels left E. Ghouta amid humanitarian ceasefire – Russian MoD

This is not the first time that reports of chemical attacks pinned on Damascus have surfaced on social media.

Moscow had warned that unconfirmed reports of atrocities and false-flag chemical incidents were likely to appear at a time when militant factions are losing ground in Syria. The latest report came as the Syrian Army pushed to liberate the remaining militant-occupied settlements in the Damascus suburb of Eastern Ghouta, with the city of Douma being the last such city in the area.

It comes as Jaysh al-Islam militants holding the city of Douma reportedly held talks with government forces and agreed to leave the enclave. Damascus said on March 31 that nearly all militant-held settlements in Ghouta were liberated, and a major Syrian highway had been cleared after a seven-year militant blockade.

In February 2018, Syrian troops began the operation to retake the area that has been under militant control since 2012, and Russia brokered the creation of humanitarian corridors to allow locals to escape the siege. A total of 153,240 people have left the area through humanitarian corridors since the start of the operation, according to the Russian Defense Ministry’s Center for Syrian Reconciliation.

At this moment, we still have 'now'; what do we do with it?

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@Ellen North

thank you for all of this. I have also been reading as much as I can and planning to start another discussion about the chemical weapons claims in Syria and our threats to retaliate. But like you, I find some of the articles I have read just yesterday, and had hoped to link to our discussions here, are becoming difficult to access.

Veterans Today had an article with photographs and video about the chemical weapons cache found recently by the Syrian military in the rebel areas being cleared near Damascus. Photographs showed British and German production labels on chemical weapons. The article also said British and American personnel were captured. Interesting, but now impossible for me to see today.

OffGuardian also had important information, and Land Destroyer Report had an article connecting what is happening in Syria with the 2009 Brookings Institution paper, "Which Path to Persia? Options for a New American Strategy Toward Iran," specifically about creating provocations for retaliation.

Here are some things I copied yesterday:

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/04/08/proof-intel-drop-trump-bolton-b...

… VT has also followed closely the long series of false flag chemical weapons attacks, both sarin and military-grade chlorine because we knew the Syrians would never be so stupid as to hand their heads to the US Coalition in a silver platter by doing something with no chance of any gain, but exactly the opposite.

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/strikes-on-syria-failed-us-w...
Strikes on Syria: Failed US WMD Lies and the "Israel Approach"
April 9, 2018 (Tony Cartalucci - LD)

… The response by Syria and its allies to these staged chemical attacks, provocations, and strikes will determine whether or not Washington's failed attempts at regime change ebb into an indignant withdrawal, or provide a vector toward greater and more destructive war.

A US failure in Syria will likely permanently derail its attempts to reassert is global preeminence as a multipolar world order emerges. How far the US and the special interests driving its policy - regardless of America's elected representatives - is willing to go to preserve global hegemony remains to be seen. The task of Syrian, Iranian, and Russian intelligence would be to ascertain this - providing significant deterrence toward engaging in a wider war, and pushing the US back behind its borders as international law, the global public, and even the American people demand.

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@Linda Wood

So VT are overall OK?

I was looking at some of their stuff last night, which looked great and much of it matched up with what I'd read elsewhere, (although I have not seen some of what was claimed there anywhere else, which actually includes the same pics in the link you supplied) but I seem to recall that the pages I was looking at last night had VT Board Members accessible and when I clicked on Gordon Duff's name in that section, (who'd authored the article I'd just read) he was some bigwig in a defence firm which I now can't recall the name of.

Poking around a bit for the company, I had no way of being able to tell whether some comments I came across regarding him and that Defense company, among others - which included a claim that one pic of serial numbers on some weaponry in a picture had been on the internet for years and that the firm making them had gone past 4-letter serial numbers on that product long since - were smears or factual.

Also, this was probably fine, but I'd watched a video said to have been sent in response to their requests from Syria was not in English, subtitled or translated (so I had no way to tell what they were saying - not that I'd be able to tell a mistranslation either, lol,) and looked rather like a hurried 'front-line' news segment complete with carried mike having what looked similar to TV ID markings, so I wound up feeling unsure about their level of credibility and started looking elsewhere, wishing I had someone knowledgeable to ask about the group.

At your link, though, perhaps this is merely an older set-up, (and with the caveat of the household/personal use chemical stew I'm now living in, sometimes drastically worsening my memory depending on each exposure's neurological and other effects and upon how much and for how long my lungs/breathing is particularly severely affected) but the page set-up seemed to be different at top, with no mention of, or live link to, any Board or Board members, and the link to his name near the page bottom does not mention the name of the (large Swiss? company. Name started with an 'A' I think, short name) Defense firm.

If they are OK, and, in your experience, not likely to mislead us anywhere major I'd be happy, although that Defense company worries me.

That Land Destroyer site also looked interesting - I just barely managed to avoid getting side-tracked off into into some stories about the US interfering in Thailand's elections and starting a colour revolution there. Stinkers have their grubby little fingers in everything; no wonder we can't keep abreast of the evil.

And I just recently had an RT alert that:

'We have a lot of options militarily' – Trump on Syria 'chemical attack' response
Published time: 9 Apr, 2018 22:41

US President Donald Trump is meeting with military commanders about a possible "forceful response" to alleged chemical attacks in Syria. Washington is ready to act without UN approval, its envoy told the Security Council earlier.

DETAILS TO FOLLOW

So now I'm scared to go to the bathroom in case I miss the all-too-brief alert at the top of the page; just missed something earlier and search functions just keep sucking worse... these idiots are capable of attacking all 3 countries at once, forcing a very nasty reaction.

If people understood what TPTB were, have done and do and want to do, the people would be squashing tanks underfoot to shred the lot of them with their bare hands...

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@Ellen North

anything about Veterans Today other than the articles I've read this week. I also always feel skeptical about everything. But when I try to imagine where this particular report would go if it were a deep state detour, I guess I would expect a report saying the photographs are fake or are meaningless in a world of weapons traffiking. They could be photos of Assad's weapons or non-weapons or fake altogether.

What gives a report like this credibility for me is our behavior, my government's behavior. Immediately after reports of a chemical weapons attack, we are threatening fire and fury, without evidence of the cause. In a long war in which the American people are virtually NEVER assaulted by photographs of dead or injured children, day after day, year after year, decade after decade of bombing, crushing, starving, we are suddenly presented with multiple photographs of children dead, dying, suffering, immediately after a reported chemical weapons attack by Assad.

That tells me that the death and mutilation of children we are causing throughout this war is not allowed to be shown to the American people by our MSM, but the death and mutilation of children that is supposed to be caused by Assad must be shown immediately. And what that tells me is that the death of children is being used by whoever benefits from the prolongation of this war.

Therefore, information that reveals the connection between our supply of weapons of mass destruction to Al Qaeda/Al Nusra leads to the ending of this war, from my perspective. Blaming chemical weapons attacks on Assad prolongs the war, which benefits only one group of people.

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@Linda Wood

The area I was concerned with pertained more to a worry about being fed a lot of known truth accompanied by some additions that are provably and even laughably wrong, (how could I know?) as a discrediting tactic, after seeing what was more blatantly done to the 'right-wing' with a variety of tactics including this type of strategic disinformation, and since similarly more blatant propaganda is now being exerted against the 'left-wing'.

Lol, I am a bit paranoid, but:

https://truthstreammedia.com/2015/01/13/cia-flashback-well-know-our-disi...

CIA Flashback: “We’ll Know Our Disinformation Program Is Complete When Everything the American Public Believes Is False.
Jan 13, 2015
Melissa Dykes

... The quote itself has been passed around extensively on the Internet, and some people claim Casey never really said it because the only main source it traces back to is late political researcher and radio show host Mae Brussell.

Brussell was the host of the radio show Dialogue: Conspiracy. She got her start when, as a radio show guest, she questioned the official JFK assassination story and the Warren Commission Hearings by suggesting that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn’t the only person involved in Kennedy’s murder. Perhaps the propagandized label of “conspiracy theorist” is the reason why people question the quote Brussell often repeated.

However, Brussell is not the only person that can be attributed to this sharing quote.

Someone posted this meme on Quora back in 2013 with the note, “A disclaimer: I just like Quorans debunking or showing the stupidity behind some of the worst FB memes.”

ciaquotememe

This is a new trend lately, people trying to debunk old (and most especially, establishment damaging) quotes.

This time, however, someone who claims to have been there when Casey said it showed up to validate the quote:

[readolog_blockquote ]”I am the source for this quote, which was indeed said by CIA Director William Casey at an early February 1981 meeting of the newly elected President Reagan with his new cabinet secretaries to report to him on what they had learned about their agencies in the first couple of weeks of the administration. The meeting was in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House, not far from the Cabinet Room. I was present at the meeting as Assistant to the chief domestic policy adviser to the President. Casey first told Reagan that he had been astonished to discover that over 80 percent of the ‘intelligence’ that the analysis side of the CIA produced was based on open public sources like newspapers and magazines. As he did to all the other secretaries of their departments and agencies, Reagan asked what he saw as his goal as director for the CIA, to which he replied with this quote, which I recorded in my notes of the meeting as he said it. Shortly thereafter I told Senior White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, who was a close friend and colleague, who in turn made it public.”
Barbara Honegger
[/readolog_blockquote]

Not only does Honegger claim he said it, but apparently he said it in response to what he saw as his goal as CIA Director!

This statement was further backed by an email posted by Quora user Greg Smith from Honegger regarding the quote which is consistent and apparently prompted her to tell the story above:

“Seriously — I personally was the Source for that William Casey quote. He said it at an early Feb. 1981 meeting in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House which I attended, and I immediately told my close friend and political godmother Senior White House Correspondent Sarah McClendon, who then went public with it without naming the source… “

So there you go. Guess it boils down to he said she said, except when she says it, it’s because she was actually there…

The year 1981 was an interesting one for Director Casey. He just so happened to be under investigation and fighting to keep his new job over various seedy dealings that came to light; among them were claims he approved a plan to overthrow Libya’s Moammar Qaddafi to instill a shadow government. (Oh I know, our government would never do that, would they?)

The agency’s plan, according to an article in the July 27, 1981 Gettysburg Times, involved toppling Qaddafi via what else?

Disinfo:

CIAplot-The_Gettysburg_Times_Mon__Jul_27__1981
“Newsweek Magazine reported the covert operation was designed to overthrow Khadafy through a ‘disinformation’ campaign to embarrass him, creation of a counter government to challenge his leadership and a paramilitary campaign.”

(Wow. A lot of that sounds eerily familiar… 2011, anyone?)

That same year, investigative journalist Jack Anderson published this piece in the September 22, 1981 Santa Cruz Sentinel discussing the troubling CIA disinformation campaign being waged against Americans:

misleadingtactics-SantaCruzSentinel22Sept1981

Anderson points out the CIA’s “triple assault on the public’s right to know” included 1) trying to shut off channels of information to the electorate, 2) seeking criminal penalties against reporters whose stories might identify CIA operatives, and the third which Anderson called most troubling, 3) spreading “disinformation” to news agencies.

And who else does Anderson specifically call out in this disinfo campaign but new CIA Director William Casey:

[readolog_blockquote]”Now along comes Bill Casey, the dodering CIA director, with the argument that the government has the right to mislead the public by planting phony stories in the press.”[/readolog_blockquote]

Oh really? So the good director not only talked about his disinformation campaign but actually argued for the government’s right to wage it against the American people? ...

They do seem to recycle the same tactics a lot, so sometimes possibilities make me nervous.

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@Ellen North

Great find. Timely. And I also keep in mind the record of the deep state discrediting good information by releasing it with disinformation, thereby discrediting the whole thing.

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which is one reason why your opinion on that site matters in terms of my viewing it as anything I might use.

Edit: in the article in the quote, did you happen to notice how the author seemed to imply that there could only have been a single source repeating this, out of a roomful of people at a meeting, when it seems, according to claims and quotes given , as though they both were at the same meeting and mentioned it?

...This statement was further backed by an email posted by Quora user Greg Smith from Honegger regarding the quote which is consistent and apparently prompted her to tell the story above:

“Seriously — I personally was the Source for that William Casey quote. He said it at an early Feb. 1981 meeting in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House which I attended, and I immediately told my close friend and political godmother Senior White House Correspondent Sarah McClendon, who then went public with it without naming the source… “

So there you go. Guess it boils down to he said she said, except when she says it, it’s because she was actually there… ...

Kinda indicates how easy it is to assume that there is only THE source, only THE right way, in so many instances where there are likely multiple potentials; wanna bet there are probably relatively simple things that we're overlooking in dealing with the problem of The Psychopaths That Be in perhaps many/most/all of the ways that we think to respond?

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@Ellen North

in answer to your question,

wanna bet there are probably relatively simple things that we're overlooking in dealing with the problem of The Psychopaths That Be in perhaps many/most/all of the ways that we think to respond?

Yes. One terrifying possibility is that even our military leadership doesn't understand the power of our nuclear weapons. In baiting Putin into responding, they may think the United States would lose a few cities but otherwise be unaffected in an exchange with Russia. Or they may not have studied the effects of nuclear weapons because the military leaders who did, and who were in conflict with the neocons, have been replaced with those who just obey.

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