Excellent Summation of Skripal Poisoning Debacle
James O’Neill, at a site called OffGuardian, has written an intelligent piece on the Skripal poisoning. I have bolded the parts that have real significance with respect to our foreign policy.
https://off-guardian.org/2018/04/07/the-rapidly-evolving-skripal-story-e...
Published on April 7, 2018
The Rapidly Evolving Skripal Story: Evidence of the Destruction of an Anglo-American Plan
by James O’Neill… The issue yet to be properly addressed by the investigation is who had the means, motive and opportunity to carry out what increasingly looks like a false flag attack, and a not very competent one at that.
… the Anglo American attempt at regime change in Syria through its terrorist proxies and others had failed miserably thanks largely to Russian and Iranian intervention.
Those terrorist groups have being responsible for a number of false flag chemical weapons attacks blamed upon the Assad Government. With the liberation of Eastern Ghouta, the Syrian and Russian forces found a significant cache of chemical weapons materials. The Russians announced that those materials were clearly destined to be used in another false flag attack that would provide the justification for United States and its “coalition” allies, including Australia, to mount air and missile attacks upon Syrian and Russian forces.
The chemical cache discovery, which received minimal coverage in the western media, was accompanied by a blunt warning from the Russian military command, that any such air and missile attack would be met with retaliation, including against the source of the attack. This was a clear warning to US ships and missile sites. The discovery of the chemical weapons and materials and the blunt warning were sufficient to deter any attack. Clearly however, the Anglo American forces were angered by their plans being thwarted.
… The latest revelations from Porton Down however, are exposing that anti-Russia campaign for the shoddy and deceptive conduct that it is. In time, the Skripal incident will be placed alongside the Gulf of Tonkin, Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction, the attacks upon Yugoslavia in 1996, Afghanistan in 2001, Libya in 2011, and Syria in 2015 as examples of provocations justifying the destruction of societies that threaten Western hegemony.
The Russia-China strategic alliance; the progressive de-dollarization of the world’s economy; and the success of defeats of Anglo American plans in Ukraine, North Korea and elsewhere indicate that the geopolitical balance of the world is changing rapidly. The challenge will be to discourage the increasingly desperate crazies who inhabit Western centres of power from embarking upon a war to try and reverse the inevitable destruction of their rapidly failing plans for “full spectrum dominance.”
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It certainly looks more like a false flag event
For one thing the story kept changing from one day to the next. Plus they kept adding evidence weeks after the fact.
"It's the car door, it was sprayed into the car's air vents, its now on the front door. The judge gave them a 1% chance of recovering from the most deadliest nerve agent and then two days after that announcement Yulia wakes up, etc...."
The other thing that no one is asking is how did that police man get exposed to the poison? What were his symptoms at the hospital? Why are there no photos of him being released from it?
Were the Skripals even poisoned in the first place, or could they have possibly gotten food poisoning from the restaurant?
Russia warned that there was an upcoming false flag chemical weapons attack weeks ago and that was after Mattis admitted that there was no evidence that Syria or Russia had ever used chemical weapons in Syria. But he was still going to be watching for them to do it.
If it's proven that they got food poisoning from the sea food that they ate 30 minutes before they collapsed, will that make people stop to question what else they might have been lying to us about? I doubt it, but I'm holding out hope.
ps. If they were indeed poisoned by the sea food, will May then explain why the cat was found dead from "the poison that was on the front door? Nah, not a chance.
What about the other 61 people eating at the restaurant
Nope. The Skripals got the last piece of sea food
at the restaurant. Funny how that restaurant is still closed down when they decided that the poison was on the front door, isn't it? Poison Gate makes as much sense as Russia Gate does.
Good summary
If this were a trial, the defendent (Russia) would be going home free with all the doubts cast. And these are legitimate doubts as for example, the timing of when the poisoning happened and why the couple survived from what the prosecution is calling the most evil super duper nerve agent.
But then on the other hand, rationality and simple skepticism has left the building with Elvis. People who have fully embraced this and other charges against the Russians never got into their positons logically and rationally.
That didn't take long.
Suspected chemical attack 'kills scores' in Syria's Douma
Government forces accused of dropping poisonous chemicals on last rebel stronghold in Eastern Ghouta.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/04/suspected-chemical-attack-kills-d...
Here we go.
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
There's a direct link between reports of the
Syrian government "using chemical weapons against women and children" when they are winning against the terrorists. As long as the terrorist's are either winning or holding their own, there are no "chemical attacks". The bullshit is so thick you can literally shovel it. Unfortunately 80% of the people get their information from the MSM or cesspits like DKos.
Figures...
The Psychopaths That Be just can't can't get enough either of killing or of stealing other people's stuff - and I suppose this will also 'prove' or distract from their claims of Putin pointlessly poisoning some out-of-date double-agent pardoned by a previous President in Britain.
Well, p on them; their obvious pathology ought to be making enough of their allies nervous enough to back off cautiously - while China ought to cut back on their allowances by selling off all of their debt that they bought and hold.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/44045-pentagon-plans-for-three-front-...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Bring out your dead
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDnS4pkmzis]
Thanks, that was hilarious!
I also followed a link in the comments, came across this, which I though was interesting, albeit unamusing, indicating that, indeed, the fix is in - this segment beginning well down the page:
http://johnhelmer.net/the-empire-strikes-backwards/
...Source: https://news.sky.com/story/porton-down-experts-unable-to-identify-precis...
(Statement will not copy here, but indicates that Iran believes that politicization of any issue in the context of the CWC is not in favour of States Parties and endagers the credibility of the OPCW.)
(Statement will not copy here, but is belligerent in accusing Russia and demanding that the Council must come together to condemn Russia for the attack for which the international community must hold it accountable.)
I'd like to know why anyone stands with, or even near, these lawless, psychopathic maniacs; simple self-interest would dictate a position of self-defense and an alliance with those demonstrating at least some human qualities and survival instincts. Not that there have been many of those allowed to keep public positions and their heads by these lunatics.
Kinda wish I hadn't read this right before bed... but I'll read your 'funny' again and see if that helps.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
As this subject, and the immininent prospect of WW3
either doesn't seem to be on the radar or is apparently still in process of being essayed by those better fit to do so than I, this would seem to be the most appropriate place to post this, following last night's missile attack on Syria's city of Homs, (Jamal producing the only video notification I've seen on this so far, the second video of his which I viewed and an article read elsewhere last night night suggesting Israel as a possibility, the latter stating, as I recall, that missiles had been sighted passing over Lebanon,) as I believe that you will likely still be following this and, whether you've seen any/all of this or not, are likely interested.
This regards, and preserves a portion of, the set-up for the missile attack, and I'm quoting the whole thing, related story insertions and all, in case the article/site winds up blocked from us:
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803131062490824-russia-reaction-us...
Apart from the fact that nobody has any right to prevent governments from protecting their people and country from terrorists, this is, considering all known circumstances, clearly protection of their pet terrorists/chemical warfare agents and scheme. And it's stupid, as how are the terrorists to be held to this, when those supporting them and (bracketed insertion being my edit' to suit the facts) '...determined to impose (their) will through chemical attacks and inhuman suffering ...' are instead nobbling the victims?
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803121062448936-haley-syria-un-res...
links to (Sputnik News having issues on first try to go through link, for whatever reason):
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201802281062090791-russia-syria-chemi...
I have no idea if the page text and story were changed or not, but there seems to be some disparity between the content and the title and URL and we know that such rewriting of internet text is all-too-possible, so I'm leaving this as is, with the first few sentences of the seemingly unrelated story appearing below the title, following a repeat of the URL below.
And the rest of my search page has just altered to a solid page of propaganda titles below this, which were not present before in what was a variety relating to actual occurrences not involving any 'Syrians fleeing Syrian government advances' nonsense.
We need to record as we go, while we still can.
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201802281062090791-russia-syria-chemi...
The internet blocking of sane and factual coverage and discussion of the missile attack may be why I can find none, apart from Jamal's, which contains little detail and is nearly all chat.
At least we know what's going on, although too many don't and will not have the factual basis to see through the propaganda...
Posting this now, as is, so at least this much is on. Going to try the other links, see if there's anything relevant to add.
Edited to correct a boobed name from 'Homs' from 'Horns', which I cleverly managed to misread on Jamarl's video title and have been repeating until I saw an ER video. Speaking as somebody who knows nothing about Syrian cities/locales other than that virtually all that I see of them seems to now be in ruins... Hell is war.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
There are now only 2 side links on that story,
the other being this (again,in entirety, in case access is lost):
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803121062441058-french-weapons-fou...
Just in case anyone was wondering why all of these right-wing - now termed centre-right - parties somehow started forming governments around the world years back, there's Macron as an example.
Beginning on the links within the story:
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13961221000735
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803121062431574-syrian-army-chemic...
WTF???!!!The listing down the side of the above:
Facebook/Google/Twitter et al algorithms and other censorship taking their toll? Or something acting here to crowd out related stories one would normally expect to see in that position?
Link from bottom of the previous page - this and some people escaping through a humanitarian corridor must be what's being presented in propaganda as 'Syrians fleeing Syrian government advances' and needs to be preserved):
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803091062376132-east-ghouta-protes...
(my insert: Arabic tweet with pics of protest at source in this position)
This is also interesting, if such a term can used for this complex - and carefully created - horror:
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201803121062429627-syria-east-ghouta-...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Yeah, I know, probably nobody will read this
and the thread seems to be remarkably dead considering the implications here... but I don't know what to do either, than to point to information of the sort likely to be censored away from our reach shortly.
Leaving off following the rest of the links on the original page; searching for something on the missile attack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnbYafeNHR0
Because Hillary wasn't perhaps the only one swearing to billionaire donors to sacrifice America's interests to serve the
IsraelLikud goals? And because America and other corporate/military/fascist-infiltrated governments will eagerly move to nukes if anyone strikes back at their missile-firing warplanes or military installations while portraying this response as 'unprovoked' and aimed at their 'betters'?Can't have Syria, Russia, Iran and others fighting the terrorists likely employed in the *Gladios terrorist-inventing programs of the War On The World begun by Hitler-supporting US industrialists who failed the first time and refuse to accept their failure now to take over and entirely micro-manage the world they're so evidently willing to destroy in this attempt.
Above links to:
https://www.rt.com/news/423545-israel-planes-syria-strike/
Page links to:
https://www.rt.com/news/423539-red-crescent-ghouta-no-chemical/
And one more thing - are the Skripals alive or (as with their murdered pets) is a maximally limited pretense being made to keep their deaths quiet by claiming that they want no outside contact, so that there is no hazard of family demanding and getting an independent autopsy, or are they being held incognito until they agree to corroboratory whatever the official story is by then, or until an official story is settled on, or until it's too late for any story to matter, or what???!!!
https://www.rt.com/uk/423430-yulia-skripal-cousin-visa/
https://www.rt.com/news/423404-skripal-uk-russia-johnson/
And regarding the murder of the victim's pets by these 'deeply protective' psychopaths, there have been reports both that they were all callously and deliberately starved to death, that the cat (apparently deeply beloved and worth $2,500 (presumably Euro?) was taken to Porton Down for 'testing' - and kittie's remains cremated - at Porton Down while the pet guinea pigs were left to starve, and that all pets were taken to Porton Down for tests and cremated.
Now, if Skirpal's alive without damage and they do anything like that to any helpless animal, never mind his beloved (and very expensive) pets, while keeping him and his also alive and undamaged daughter incognito, what does that say about the people behind this and their concern for his well-being? Was he told that they were doing this to his pets because he failed to go along with the story and is still in isolation because of perhaps still refusing to help initiate WW3 on a lie?
Or did they know that he was dead and that revealing his death and refusing to release his body to family to prevent an uncontrolled autopsy to reveal some truth exploding their claims and implicating them was not an option and decide to simply delay until they'd created an excuse to trigger WW3?
As with this thwarted planned chemical attack by pet terrorists to be blamed on Syria, Russia (and apparently Iran by some eager to maximize excuses for attacks against more of the targeted countries - like Trump**) which was anyway claimed to have gone forward, with any appropriate response to Israels attack likely to be an excuse to move to nukes, trying for a 'limited nuclear war' which they apparently believe they'll survive in luxury bunkers and eventually some imagined to remain/recover as more inhabitable areas of the planet, but in actuality forcing an inevitable MAD ultimately leaving no life on the planet anyway?
* https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Operation_Gladio
Emphasis mine)
** https://www.rt.com/news/423524-douma-chemical-attack-fake-moscow/
(Trump tweets)
At this moment, we still have 'now'; what do we do with it?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Ellen,
thank you for all of this. I have also been reading as much as I can and planning to start another discussion about the chemical weapons claims in Syria and our threats to retaliate. But like you, I find some of the articles I have read just yesterday, and had hoped to link to our discussions here, are becoming difficult to access.
Veterans Today had an article with photographs and video about the chemical weapons cache found recently by the Syrian military in the rebel areas being cleared near Damascus. Photographs showed British and German production labels on chemical weapons. The article also said British and American personnel were captured. Interesting, but now impossible for me to see today.
OffGuardian also had important information, and Land Destroyer Report had an article connecting what is happening in Syria with the 2009 Brookings Institution paper, "Which Path to Persia? Options for a New American Strategy Toward Iran," specifically about creating provocations for retaliation.
Here are some things I copied yesterday:
Thanks! Can't wait for your essay!
So VT are overall OK?
I was looking at some of their stuff last night, which looked great and much of it matched up with what I'd read elsewhere, (although I have not seen some of what was claimed there anywhere else, which actually includes the same pics in the link you supplied) but I seem to recall that the pages I was looking at last night had VT Board Members accessible and when I clicked on Gordon Duff's name in that section, (who'd authored the article I'd just read) he was some bigwig in a defence firm which I now can't recall the name of.
Poking around a bit for the company, I had no way of being able to tell whether some comments I came across regarding him and that Defense company, among others - which included a claim that one pic of serial numbers on some weaponry in a picture had been on the internet for years and that the firm making them had gone past 4-letter serial numbers on that product long since - were smears or factual.
Also, this was probably fine, but I'd watched a video said to have been sent in response to their requests from Syria was not in English, subtitled or translated (so I had no way to tell what they were saying - not that I'd be able to tell a mistranslation either, lol,) and looked rather like a hurried 'front-line' news segment complete with carried mike having what looked similar to TV ID markings, so I wound up feeling unsure about their level of credibility and started looking elsewhere, wishing I had someone knowledgeable to ask about the group.
At your link, though, perhaps this is merely an older set-up, (and with the caveat of the household/personal use chemical stew I'm now living in, sometimes drastically worsening my memory depending on each exposure's neurological and other effects and upon how much and for how long my lungs/breathing is particularly severely affected) but the page set-up seemed to be different at top, with no mention of, or live link to, any Board or Board members, and the link to his name near the page bottom does not mention the name of the (large Swiss? company. Name started with an 'A' I think, short name) Defense firm.
If they are OK, and, in your experience, not likely to mislead us anywhere major I'd be happy, although that Defense company worries me.
That Land Destroyer site also looked interesting - I just barely managed to avoid getting side-tracked off into into some stories about the US interfering in Thailand's elections and starting a colour revolution there. Stinkers have their grubby little fingers in everything; no wonder we can't keep abreast of the evil.
And I just recently had an RT alert that:
'We have a lot of options militarily' – Trump on Syria 'chemical attack' response
Published time: 9 Apr, 2018 22:41
US President Donald Trump is meeting with military commanders about a possible "forceful response" to alleged chemical attacks in Syria. Washington is ready to act without UN approval, its envoy told the Security Council earlier.
DETAILS TO FOLLOW
So now I'm scared to go to the bathroom in case I miss the all-too-brief alert at the top of the page; just missed something earlier and search functions just keep sucking worse... these idiots are capable of attacking all 3 countries at once, forcing a very nasty reaction.
If people understood what TPTB were, have done and do and want to do, the people would be squashing tanks underfoot to shred the lot of them with their bare hands...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I don't know
anything about Veterans Today other than the articles I've read this week. I also always feel skeptical about everything. But when I try to imagine where this particular report would go if it were a deep state detour, I guess I would expect a report saying the photographs are fake or are meaningless in a world of weapons traffiking. They could be photos of Assad's weapons or non-weapons or fake altogether.
What gives a report like this credibility for me is our behavior, my government's behavior. Immediately after reports of a chemical weapons attack, we are threatening fire and fury, without evidence of the cause. In a long war in which the American people are virtually NEVER assaulted by photographs of dead or injured children, day after day, year after year, decade after decade of bombing, crushing, starving, we are suddenly presented with multiple photographs of children dead, dying, suffering, immediately after a reported chemical weapons attack by Assad.
That tells me that the death and mutilation of children we are causing throughout this war is not allowed to be shown to the American people by our MSM, but the death and mutilation of children that is supposed to be caused by Assad must be shown immediately. And what that tells me is that the death of children is being used by whoever benefits from the prolongation of this war.
Therefore, information that reveals the connection between our supply of weapons of mass destruction to Al Qaeda/Al Nusra leads to the ending of this war, from my perspective. Blaming chemical weapons attacks on Assad prolongs the war, which benefits only one group of people.
Oh, I absolutely agree!
The area I was concerned with pertained more to a worry about being fed a lot of known truth accompanied by some additions that are provably and even laughably wrong, (how could I know?) as a discrediting tactic, after seeing what was more blatantly done to the 'right-wing' with a variety of tactics including this type of strategic disinformation, and since similarly more blatant propaganda is now being exerted against the 'left-wing'.
Lol, I am a bit paranoid, but:
https://truthstreammedia.com/2015/01/13/cia-flashback-well-know-our-disi...
They do seem to recycle the same tactics a lot, so sometimes possibilities make me nervous.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
AMEN!
Great find. Timely. And I also keep in mind the record of the deep state discrediting good information by releasing it with disinformation, thereby discrediting the whole thing.
I figured you would,
which is one reason why your opinion on that site matters in terms of my viewing it as anything I might use.
Edit: in the article in the quote, did you happen to notice how the author seemed to imply that there could only have been a single source repeating this, out of a roomful of people at a meeting, when it seems, according to claims and quotes given , as though they both were at the same meeting and mentioned it?
Kinda indicates how easy it is to assume that there is only THE source, only THE right way, in so many instances where there are likely multiple potentials; wanna bet there are probably relatively simple things that we're overlooking in dealing with the problem of The Psychopaths That Be in perhaps many/most/all of the ways that we think to respond?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Yes, surely,
in answer to your question,
Yes. One terrifying possibility is that even our military leadership doesn't understand the power of our nuclear weapons. In baiting Putin into responding, they may think the United States would lose a few cities but otherwise be unaffected in an exchange with Russia. Or they may not have studied the effects of nuclear weapons because the military leaders who did, and who were in conflict with the neocons, have been replaced with those who just obey.