US stealth bombers in Guam appear to be readying for a tactical nuclear strike on North Korea
US stealth bombers in Guam appear to be readying for a tactical nuclear strike on North Korea
The US has been quietly amassing firepower in the Pacific during a lull in tensions with North Korea, but recent developments on an under-the-radar nuclear weapon suggest preparation for a potential tactical nuclear strike.
The US recently sent B-2 stealth bombers to Guam, where they joined B-1 and B-52s, the other bombers in the US's fleet.
While the B-2 and B-52 are known as the air leg of the US's nuclear triad, as they carry nuclear-capable air-launched cruise missiles, a smaller nuclear weapon that has undergone some upgrades may lend itself to a strike on North Korea.
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Recent reports have suggested Trump is considering a "bloody nose" strike on North Korea, or a move designed to embarrass Kim by responding to a missile launch or nuclear test with the limited use of force.
But experts and politicians have characterized the idea of a nuclear strike as destabilizing and frankly crazy. Rep. John Garamendi, a California Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, questioned the wisdom of it in an interview with Business Insider.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-stealth-bombers-guam-tactical-nuclear-...
There was no good choice either way. The Clinton Creature had her heart set on messing with RUSSIA! through Iran snd Syria. And President Bone Spur, a coward too afraid to fight when he was called upon to do so, is just dying to flex his penis by using a nuclear weapon on North Korea. Ignorant psycho SOB that he is, he doesn’t give a rat’s ass about those poor civilians who will be the ones to die. And the ignorant f*ck obviously thinks Kim Jong-Un will just sit there and just let it happen. I’m sure he has Mad Dog Mattis word on that one.
And the Dims stand by silently.
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tactical? as opposed to non-tactial nuclear strike
There is no such thing as a tactical (or limited) Nuclear strike. This is something poisonous that goes into the atmosphere. Have they not considered that there will be fallout likely on our friends and allies in Japan? Just collateral damage, nothing to see here, move along now...
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
So, that leaves us with "strategic"?
This is, of course, fake.
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Umm!
I love the smell of everything burning in the morning.
Anyone remember the Millennium celebrations, and how life was supposed to be on the up and up?
18 years later and we're reduced to Trump and nuclear holocaust.
Good times.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Me
I'm still spending my
"peace dividend" from the fall of the Soviet Union. Hope it comes soon, that credit card's getting maxed out.
I would say "You've got to be fucking kidding me"
but I know better than that. The stupid, it burns. Idiot America will be rightly condemned by the entire world for doing this stupid shit. And these psycho's who own us simply do not care! God I hate them.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
If we get off with just "condemnation"
we'll be damn lucky. If we drop "tactical" nukes(which are probably still multiple Hiroshimas in strength) anywhere in that hemisphere I'm sure China and maybe Russia will be happy to "bloody our nose" in return.
They say that there's a broken light for every heart on Broadway
They say that life's a game and then they take the board away
They give you masks and costumes and an outline of the story
And leave you all to improvise their vicious cabaret-- A. Moore
I am at the point where
I just hope to die with a full stomach.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Got to be posturing,
I just can't see it happening. Too much risk and you really would have to be nuts to do that. There's no legal or constitutional basis so it would have to be done without consulting congress or the U.N. If Trump did do this, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on and would be toast and probably brought up on war crime charges. That's if it didn't trigger a larger war with Russia and China and/or retaliation from North Korea. That's the only reason to do something like this, to trigger a major war with China and Russia and I don't think they're that crazy, nor do I think they want that. This looks like Cold war bullshit that we went thru for 45 years last century.
Can you spell MONEY?
I knew you could.
It's not a rush for the world to end. It's a rush to see who has the most before it happens.
Great times I tell ya.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Sadly I laughed whenI read you post.
Not because it’s haha funny, but because it’s No Shit Sherlock funny (and the truth).
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
The stupid ones
are the South Koreans and the Japanese. They are the cannon fodder.
I look for both of those countries to tell our rulers to fuck off and die.
And leave. Especially South Korea, considering the Olympics and warming relations with the North.
The choice for South Korea is the end of hostilities, possible re-unification, and a successful and profitable Olympics.......or total nuclear annihilation.
Hmmm, tough choice.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
IMHO "warming relations" is EXACTLY what this is about:
The US putting down its giant heavy foot to tell South Korea to "chill it or else" with North Korea. It's not Pyongyang they're trying to terrify into submission, it's Seoul.
The very last thing they want is a reunited Korea under the "wrong" leadership. So the threat is "Cut it out, or we will bomb THEM so they will bomb YOU!"
Essence of Pure Evil. [video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoNnFEAj7p8]
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Pretty sure TPTB don't wanna see this...
North and South Korea agree to form first unified Olympic team
Can't have folks getting along together now, can we.
Remember...
The June 2000 (link) rapprochement efforts of the Koreas that were torpedoed by the 2000 election followed by the "axis of evil" B.S. from Dubya? They were closer to reunification than any time in history. I even read somewhere that the Kim who was leader at the time would have stepped aside for $2 billion and a safe haven for him and his family.
Wow! Now this is news to me. And
it seems that the US will di anything to keep the two Koreas from burying the hatchet.
There’s nothing too low that our ‘leaders’ won't stoop to to keep them apart.
I assume that the fear they have is we will lose our cushy spot in Asia that we got our asses kicked over decades ago.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
We've seen what they do to The US People when United
and they didn't have the nukes handy for Occupy or Standing Rock...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
That’s exactly what I think. Trump
and the boys keep rattling sabers even though the 2 countries most involved are speaking again after decades.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
From HER's own mouth
"We don't want a unified Korean peninsula ... We [also] don't want the North Koreans to cause more trouble than the system can absorb."
—Hillary Clinton, 2013, speech to Goldman Sachs
ok, can you tell me what you think about "business Insiders"
publications?
Really, really, a little bit of constraint putting up headlines like the author Locke did in his article and the author Amanda here takes over and repeats, might be something to consider.
You just don't start the morning with such headlines.
Even if it says "appears" to be readying and even if it says "tactical nuclear strike", I think it's pretty reckless "journalism" to put up such a headline. It's scaring people to lose their minds and what would that help? It also takes over the false claim that a nuclear strike can be "tactical", which is simply extremely mean bullshit.
As for the business insider's article, see this:
You know, if a publication makes such blatant errors, you should fire the author and send him into vacation time. Period.
Of course I am ambiguous of what to think about this article. But I would say, I like to give a bloody nose to anyone who writes headlines like that one and causes lengthy twitter threads about it. Because ...as the first quote searching quotes on fear that pops up is
It's very dangerous to lose the capacity to fear something. We fear for a reason and I don't know what is worse, to lose the capacity to use your fears to try to protect you from something bad, or to use your fears to send yourself and others into dangerous paranoia and hysteria.
Oh, and now another "update" in the Locke article at the very end.
ok, kiddos, you can go back to bed and sleep and have nicer dreams than nightmares. WTF.
You seem to have a problem with what
I’m posting. You don’t like the topic, is that your problem? Or is it just the headline?
You don't think we shoud discuss something this important? The idea that there is a possibility that our idiot president is going to get us in a war, a war involving nukes, is EXACTLY what we should be talking about. He’s akready got NK and CHINA pissed off about the aircraft carriers over there. What do you think they’re there for Mimi? Sightseeing tours?
The Stealth bombers HAVE neen sent to Guam.
Business Insider hss bee pretty damn teliable about not only Trump but Clinton, the election, and other topics that concern international politics and how those politics effect the business world. Matbe a source CORRECTING an error in real time is a good thing. Unlike the NYT or WP who do their corrections 6 weeks later and on the sly. We wll see.
And as for :
What time of day do we post stories like this? You have a schedule? Please note if is it US time or time wherever it is where you live.
The title of this article IS clickbait. But I used it because that’s what you’re SUPPOSED to do. I cannot change an article’s title. You can’t either. No one is allowed to do that. You use what the author wrote. (That’s also the style used by most internet ‘sources’ trying to survive on the internet.) But NOTHING in the title is any less alarming than what’s in the article. And the fact that Trump’s military boys have had this in mind for a while makes it a real threat and a real possibility.
If you think this scenario is out of the question, you need to think again. It’s not just Trump.
My advice to you is to prove this article is WRONG and I’ll gladly delete it. Point out the parts where the article is false. Give a source . Quit the finger wagging and provide something relevant.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
no, I don't have a problem with what you are writing
(edited for clarity)
I just had a problem with the headline of Locke's article and I found it somewhat unnecessary to repeat the wording of his headline in your own headline. That's all. Because as I said in my comment it creates fears that are not helpful. That is not the same as saying I have a problem with what you or Locke had written. And also sorry, that I answer to your comment so late. I read and comment here at my time (in the morning hours, after waking up) and late night hours, which is East Cost time early evening. Often I fall asleep over reading. Next morning I start over reading and somehow that's then not anymore the time in which most folks here comment.
I would never try to prove anything wrong in Locke's or your article. I can't. I don't want to and I am sorry that you misunderstand my words. I haven't read through your whole comment yet and not through everything in Locke's article. I appreciate the links you provide and the excerpted paragraphs, the same way as I appreciate Joe Shikspack's in his Evening Blues. It's too much for me and may be it's ok with you, if I say it's too much for me. It try to be honest. I doubt I am the only one, who doesn't read everything and isn't in the "know".
So, I hope that clarifies it. I try to read the links when I am ready to do so. That may be tomorrow, in one months or never. It is not a matter of disrespect or criticism of the content you had written about.
Peace.
PS I read a lot. Lately German online, print and TV media. Then I read most of what is linked to in the EBs and I read the other articles here. That is plenty. I have sometimes difficulties to remember or recognize through one occasional article in one online site, if that is sensationalized and bent ideologically reporting. The more I read the less my brain is able to remember. Usually I go by the detail information that is given in an article. That's the reason I said I was critical of the headline, but not about the information given in Locke's article.
And in no way do I think that the issues covered are "out of the question". Let's not assume in our own minds too fast about what other people think in their's. Most often these are wrong assumptions.I learned that the hard way and certainly have hurt people's feelings voicing assumptions about others that were wrong.
Another Peace!.
I didn’t ‘assume’ anything. I went by
what you posted.
If there is EVER to be a peace movement than people will NEED to be informed about the seriousness of the situation that we’re in. Otherwise there will never be one. And we need to start organizing one real soon because all the happy happy and pink pussy hats on the planet is NOT going to save us from the warmongers running both the Democratic and Republican parties.
Maybe you shouldn’t be on the internet if you’re that fragile. It’s obviously not good gor you if it causes you to be this traumatized at the site of a headline. I’m not being snarky here. If it takes you days to finish reading a post and if doing so causes you to have memory loss, then you have some severe problems that can only be remedied by stayng away from the cause of those problems. Go to happy sites like the one with all the cat pictures. Somewhere that won't make you want to punch people “in the nose” because a headline is too blunt for you to handle. That’s not healthy.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I am neither traumatized, nor fragile, and
... thanks for the advice you gave. I will keep it in my mind.
"Der Ton macht die Musik" (google translated: *It's not what you say, but how you say it*)(my literal translation: The sound makes the music)
You’re welcome.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
sure, you are welcome to me too,
this exchange is like a nothing-burger to me. Sometimes one thinks it's a tasty burger, expecially when hungry.
Peace. And have a good remainder of your day, in whatever time zone you may be. I need to read now the EB from Joe, before I fall asleep. It's 22:04:00 here ..
Good Night.
You say you're not being snarky
With this comment:
Maybe I can clarify the characterization of your general demeanor on this site when critiqued by another member as being more like a bull in a china shop? Would that be more accurate?
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Sure you can say that. Everybody has
opinions.
And she wasn’t ‘criticizing’, she was trying to decide what I have the right to post. It’s not my fault it puts her in a tizzy.
I might characterize your post as butting in to something that’s not your concern.
YMMV.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
This is important.
We should be scared; crazy people are killing the planet. And we should be angry in a controlled fashion and focus on coordinating some pacific method of trying to get these psychopaths out of all public policy and governments.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
yes, Ellen, and I said so in my comment ...
... just apparently not clearly enough.
I allowed myself to think out loud about what is worse. Couldn't help it.
Fear has been the reason for establishing the MAD policies and to use it to keep the population in the belief that it is a safe strategy and will work. People didn't believe during the cold war of the fifites that anyone would not fear a nuclear bomb exchange over Germany and therefore it was accepted and used to keep everyone "under control".
So, to arouse fears had its role to play, in the past decades of the cold war.
Nowadays, to arouse fears is another thing altogether, because some super-duper smart guy says one really doesn't need to fear the nuclear bomb that much, because it's still a winnable (does that mean survivable) military "solution".
If people start to believe that a nuclear bomb dropping anywhere is not killing off the most of the world in a couple of strikes and therefore believe it will NOT be exercised, ie if they start believing it's a possibility that it could happen, then it will create panicky reactions. And that doesn't help to - as you say - "focus on coordinating some pacific method" to fight against the forces, who are responsible for the whole mess of the MIC and its political serfs.
In the end I fear ourselves, because we don't know what we are doing and don't know what we are supposed to do to get out of our own mess.
Peace.
The biggest danger
I see in this article, true or not true, is that it could provoke North Korea to target Guam, causing us to to respond.
It's clear the part of our government that blindly supports the nuclear weapons industry, a private set of companies, will do anything, no matter how stupid, counter-intuitive, or counter-productive for peace and for the people of the world, just to generate the longevity and profitability of the industry. It's like a robotic machine with only an on button that goes higher, dumber, stupider, and more dangerous because there's no off. We're going to have to pull the plug.
NK has been making threats over
US presence in Guam for a while.
EDIT: I had to type in the date of the article. Bwahahahaha! Did you notice I typed in 3017?
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
If this fearful headline
causes the South Koreans and Japan to throw the bums out(our rulers) I would call it a success. It's their asses.
Incidentally, our much vaunted B-2 is no longer as stealthy as once believed. The Russians have been able to "see" it for some time now.
The North Koreans could, possibly, have the same technology.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
That’ info about the B2 is very
Interesting. I've never read anything about the failure of our Stealth technology, but then I suppose there’s not much info out there on it.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
NK has a simple solution.
If the US is truly amassing bombers in Guam for a strike on North Korea, all
NK has to do is explode a single nuke a few thousand feet above Guam. The problem with nuclear was is that it's unwinnable. You'd think people would realize that by now.
What do you think about this article?
Here's What The B-2's Arrival In Guam Means For North Korea, The Olympics, And More
Who could really know if what is said is factually correct and what is not? Only insiders? Are you an insider? I am a mommy and definitely an outsider. So be it.
Good article. What about it?
As for the “are you an insider”, what do you think? I am a realist living in a country that is droning people all over the Middle East and Africa. So I am fully cognizant of the fact that we’re a rogue nation that thinks killing is the answer to all our problems. I am not going to run away in a panic when there is an article about the very REAL possibility of the deranged idiot in the White House and his out-of-control old military whacks who are stilll looking for a war they can finally ‘win’ are very possibly going to nuke NK. Like he constantly threatens to do.
We have been killing innocent people for almost 15 years straight. You need to face the fact that someday paybacks are coming. The difference between you and me is I want to know the truth and articles like that one are vital to knowing what those guys might be up to next. And apparently other people here were able to keep their shit together when they read it as well.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
lol, Amanda, you can't stop it, can you?
First: I don't run away. I read or try to read and finish reading a lot of articles. So, I would say, you are wrong in your assumption of me running away in panic. We are very similar in wanting to know what is going on.
I don't know where you are located, but where I am located, this has been discussed on TV and in print papers and everyone, who is willing to listen and capable of understanding, is aware of that "change in official language" from the White House, Senate and Congress. It's not as if nobody realizes that.
Second:
I am almost seventy years old. Since I am 13 years old I am fully aware and have read a lot of books about the fact that Germans were killing innocent people for more than six years in the millions.
Why do you think and why do you assume that me saying the headline of Locke's article with two corrections and updates in it, was a bit let's say unfortunate and "voreilig", meaning it could lead its readers to jump to conclusions, that they were themselves not able to proof as being correct. So, it can lead to panicky conclusions, which I happen to consider NOT helpful.
I just wonder what it would have helped me as a young student to be bombarded with articles telling me that B-52 bombers (as an example) are brought to Ramstein or whereever into West German US AFB bases and could probably drop their nuclear bombs on East Berlin? Just living a couple of miles away? When it comes to nukes, I consider careful wording essential to not cause panic in populations. That's how I grew up. I neither ran away, nor didn't I read. I also thought that I worded my slight criticism of the headline carefully, ie not harshly. May be I should have had my morning coffee before jumping in and say something. Next time, I promise, I will not say a thing.
A third time. Peace, Amanda.
PS I meant the "insider" question not directed at you
personally, Amanda, more directed at all of the readers. Just questioning our capabilities to make judgments about what we read. I think it's difficult. YMMV.
Yeah, you seem to operate under the old
‘Ignorance is bliss’ school’ of thought’
And as for not being able to stop, here your are again in a thread I started still complaining about it. I got your message, you don’t want to know and anything you don’t want to know you don’t think shoukd be discussed. Because ‘fear’.
I myself agree with what Chuchilll said.
This has gotten old. The thread is posted. It’s staying as is. We’ve both had our say and neither is going to change our opinions.
I would like to ‘thank’ you for hijacking this thread and making it all about you and not one word about what was posted.
Goodbye Mimi.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I am sorry for the Good Bye and sorry for
having hijacked the thread. Hijacking was not my intention and it's also not the way I see what happened here. Anyway I apologize.
Have a good day or evening.