Thursday Open Thread 1-25-2018

To buy a loaf of bread in the 1970's and 80's took about 10 minutes for someone making the federal minimum wage. By 2010 it was taking nearly 24 minutes.

Been reviewing Dollar street project highlighted in a diary by SnappleBC this week. Looking at similarities of families food choices and storage options by income groups.

Tables of food in different countries and income levels. Use the menu on the right of the screen to review meat, vegetables, spices, gains and plates of food.
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Similarities between income groupings.
Poorest homes
The poorest households usually don’t have enough food at home1. The food they keep is high in carbohydrates, but low in protein, healthy fats, and vitamins. A typical low income staple diet contains energy and sustenance for labor intensive work, but lacks nutrients for long term health.
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Low to Middle income homes
Families in low to middle income groups have a more diverse set of ingredients than the poorest households. The food reflects the availability of local arable and agricultural farming or fishery supplies, with fish from local rivers and coastlines or meat from nearby pastoral farmers. In this income group, some limited goods from the commercial food industry also reaches family’s plates. Low to middle income families are not usually able to afford fridges and freezers
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Mid to high income homes
In this income group, families have a disposable income to spend on shop bought meals. They can buy processed products like frozen pizzas, packaged desserts or fizzy drinks. For these families, the climate and agricultural environment that they live in do not restrict their food choices. Rather, they are influenced by the commercial food industry through advertising, package branding and by adding fats and sugars to their products to make them taste more desirable.

No matter what income level I have been at during my life food has always been a pleasure. Good cooking skills are more important that the quality of the equipment. Any place in the world can be partially experienced without traveling by making their local dishes.

Three skill levels of a good cooking.
1) Cook with great ingredients and not ruin them. (Spent a long time at this level, why I raise and preserve my own food))
2} Able to use mediocre ingredients and create a great tasting dish.
3) Consistently create an enjoyably dish with different quality ingredients and equipment. Have taught the nose, hand, ear and taste buds how to evaluate each stage of a dish.

An Impossible Pie is a favorite do ahead dish in my household. Usually served with a fresh vegetable salad or home canned fruit. If the week is busy might make a couple for an easy heat up lunch or dinner. The variations are endless and easy to adjust for food sensitivities. Use different flours, meats, cheeses, vegetables and fruits.

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Basic Impossible Pie Recipe
3 to 4 cups filling layered in greased 10 inch pie pan or oven proof skillet

    0-2 cups cooked meat
    0-4 cups mixture of vegetables - fresh, frozen (thawed)or sauted
    0-2 cheese (chedder, swiss) opt place on top after batter added

blend batter ingredients and pour over filling
3/4 cup biscuit mix

    2/3 cup flour (rice; 50:50 rice/rye, corn, buckwheat or wheat)
    1 tsp baking powder
    2 T shortening or butter cut in

3 eggs
1 1/2 cup water or milk
Bake 400 degrees for 40 minutes, cool 5 minutes (muffin tray for 30 minutes)

The pie in the picture rice flour, canadian bacon (8 slices), swiss cheese (1 c) and frozen peas (1 1/2 c)

other favorite combos
10 oz sauted spinach or drained frozen, 1 C swiss, 1/2 tsp ground nutmeg (wheat flour or rice/rye)

1 lb ground meat and 1/2 C onion browned with 1 tsp cumin, oregano & 1/2 tsp parsley, paprika & 1/16 tsp cayenne pepper, 1 chedder cheese on top (corn or wheat flour)

2 - 3 fresh or canned pears, 1 cup swiss cheese (buckwheat flour)

Farm Report

Neighbor's mare was at the mail box looking for some attention.
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Rain clouds keep moving through without dropping moisture.
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Raggedy Ann's picture

I used to make impossible pies when my kids still lived at home. They've been gone 20+ years. I might look into doing those again, but without meat or dairy. I'm sure it can be done. We don't eat meat and my spouse is lactose intolerant. Makes cooking a challenge!

We had a raccoon killing our chickens. Every time we shored up the coop, he'd try harder. We lost six chickens, but Raggedy Andy is not one to allow a predator to reign terror over the collective "us." He set a live trap and the raccoon has been removed from our lives. We are hoping it was a loner. Raccoons are not common around here. We're setting the trap for a couple weeks to ensure there are no more. It was neutered, so we wonder if someone got tired of their "pet," and set it free in the country. We get that a lot here. People throw out dogs here, they pack up and become a menace.

We are once again in drought. We have the bitter cold (4 degrees the last two mornings), but no moisture. I hope we have better luck in February.

Have a beautiful day, everyone! Pleasantry

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@Raggedy Ann dish to wash food. Good for Andy's persistence. The coyote has not been back since the donkeys have been grazing in his/her travel pasture. February is the month pups are born so I will keep an eye out for signs for a hungry mom. Sheep are regularly kept in a night pen during spring, winter and fall.

Pet dumping very rarely provides a better life for a pet. Coyotes, hawks, cougars, dehydration and cars generally take care of the problem around here before they are rescued by a human. My barn cats are good rodent hunters but need supplemental feeding and a water supply to keep in good health.

If not using cheese (fat moisture) in an impossible pie I am more likely to add a high soluble fiber vegetable (zucchini, broccoli, onion), mushrooms or fruit (tomatoes, pears, apple. Good eating.

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@studentofearth
on substitutes in the pie, SOE. I can't wait to make one soon!

If the raccoon had not been such a menace, it would have been able to remain, but it killed all the neighbor's chickens (they're about 1/4 mile from us) and was not giving up on ours. It was taking chunks out of the roof, so we put metal all over it and a hot wire. However, it was the cat food in the live trap that did the trick. He was none too happy.

Yeah, it troubles me that people think their pets are disposable. They don't care what impact it is having on the community in which they released the animal. So sad.

Well, have a beautiful day!

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@Raggedy Ann It's becoming more and more expensive to have pets these days. Veterinary care is expensive, and now apartments are charging monthly pet rent which can be anywhere from $20-50/month per pet.
HAVING PETS SHOULD NOT BE A LUXURY GODDAMMIT.

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@Daenerys
a raccoon is a wild animal, not a pet. Someone figured that out and dumped it out here. My neighbors and I have all suffered losses because of someone’s ignorance. My chickens are still suffering. Their behavior has changed. I’m just venting because of our suffering.

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I made a comment about an uniformed user on that site and the comment was flagged by some of that user's buds. link to comment The admins locked my account from commenting unless I "acknowledge" the flagging as violating site rules. Fuck that shit! I'm never giving those bastards another web hit.

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@jbob hah you got me to click, I did it. mopshell always always made me think "myopic shill" every comment, but I never said it out loud. pointless

Every one has to blow off steam now and then. How else are we supposed to get anywhere if we don't keep talking to each other? I don't know. Clampdown is evil, it is what fascists do. Ad hominem indeed.

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@jbob

It has been meticulously twisted into place for years and has been flying loud, proud, and fully transparent.

It is working exactly as advertised and expected and celebrated. Despite the depravity, cruelty, and bullying of others that plays on a continuous loop there, you've endured. Community is a great prize and should never be discounted.

I think there's a deadline on co-signing your confession.

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"There will be no end to the troubles of States, or of Humanity itself, until Philosophers become Kings in this world — or until those we now call kings and rulers truly become Philosophers." — Plato

@Pluto's Republic I'm done with that site forever. I don't need that shit.

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@jbob

If we had a flagging system here (which I most certainly do not want), then I'd flag that comment here too. Yes, it was a direct insult offered without citations. Honestly, the insult part doesn't bother me. But the lack of citations does... particularly when insulting another member.

Over on GOS, of course, your primary sin was being on the wrong side of the issue. All else follows from there.

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-- lotlizard

@SnappleBC There was a comment up thread from where I linked that voided any need for citation. I linked to the wrong part of that thread. I should have linked higher up the thread. That user was spouting complete made up BS as fact. My comment was made in response to someone calling out the BS.

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@jbob

You would've made your comment. Myself and probably a few others would've asked, "Cite?". You would've provided same or not as you saw fit. If you did, the discussion would've continued based on the citations you provided. If you did not, the discussion would simply end on the basis of no facts.

This place isn't perfect and I've been on the receiving end of exactly that sort of GOS behavior here. But it is A LOT more infrequent here. Generally data rules.

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-- lotlizard

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Thanks for the recipe, will have to try it!

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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -

Thanks a lot y'all saved me from deep distress the other day with the nutritional advices, and the garden talk. I cannot believe how much better I feel now, like 10x and it is an "all over" better. Even my attitude is better, and my cognitive awareness, ability, whatever you call it. I feel clear-headed, not so foggy. I can walk upright again, the muscle cramps are gone except for usual nighttime charlie horsing around.

It seems clear now what caused me to crash, not enough fat in my diet, or balanced grains/legumes, and I feel silly not realizing it because I did it to myself. Since early last year I have been on a self imposed cash-only budget, trying to "gut it out" on a low fixed income as the economy around me burns in to oblivion. The "opportunity" to become a "productive" wage earning citizen again still eludes me, and I simply go hungry with hope.

A couple of weeks ago I freaked out when it took an hour and a half to walk to the bank and back, I couldn't carry groceries, only three miles, I didn't feel able to carry anything in my backpack. The stasi is so weird in Cloverdale right now, I did not want to sit down and rest, or else the "move along" cops show up, that's how it is right now. Look too poor? Too skinny? Not your sidewalk, move along!

Now I get to face unaffordable medication, if you believe that cannabis is medicinal. It is the best thing I ever tried for PTSD and other symptoms diagnosed by the "soft science" doctors. So glad that Jimmy Dore is just a jagoff comedian, not to be taken seriously. I hope those who saw his video blathering how two ounces is "a lot of pot" know better. For casual stoners in California, Prop 64 is great I guess, it is a good thing. For patients trying to survive multiples symptoms, cannabis was a relatively cheap herbal medication but not anymore. I don't drink booze or pop pills, or take anything else but coffee, not even sugar. I am not a perfect person yet, darn it. "some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you"

Peace & Love
thank you c99ers

La cucaracha - Gipsy Kings

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@eyo especially fat from animal sources. It is expensive and not subsidized by USDA policy. The pasta dish in your other comment sounds delicious.

Does California allow growing a personal supply of marijuana? Oregon does and consider it an option if need pain control.

Leg cramps can sometimes be a sign of not enough potassium. magnesium or time for different shoes. Will add extra parsley or dandelions greens to dishes or drink. Also, a small amount tonic water can help relax a leg cramp.

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--When the opening appears release yourself.

@studentofearth , or not. Thanks for the thoughts, each locality gets to decide its own framework and level of legal. Most places are still illegal, because the pols just don't want to deal with the hassle, it's a mess I think. Sticker shock at the beginning: Price of pot skyrockets for California customers as new taxes kick in

Here in Cloverdale they decided legal +3% city tax on top of the rest, and renters must have written permission from landlords to home grow, as well as a "secured area, out of public view". I know about my backyard neighbor's stealth grow, but don't want them to know I know, so never ask about it. They are paranoid and prone to violence at times, nothing like having a "domestic standby" out front to start my day. sh sh sh

Edit to add: Thanks for the tonic water tip for muscle cramps. That one is going on the shelf next to my emergency ginger ale supply. Ginger ale saves me after stomach flu, just to raise blood sugar enough to regain cognition. thx

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It is tree pruning day here. Going to work our small orchard and some ornamentals. Best to do when everything is dormant. Now is also the time to plant trees and woody plants in my part of the world.

Lovely morning at about 28 degrees heading to almost 60. Like RA we are dry too. Odd for us this time of year, but we have a rain coming in early next week.

We've been eating low carb for several months. My favorite new trick is Almond biscuits.
1 heaping cup Almond flour
1/2-1 teaspoon baking powder
a shake or 2 of salt (optional)
cut in 2 TSP good quality (I recommend grass fed) butter
mix in 2 well beaten eggs
put in the fridge for 15 min
spoon onto parchment paper and bake at 400 for 10 -15 min till there is some browning
(this makes 6 regular sized or 4 giant biscuits)

Another easy lo carb bread is coconut bread.
For each slice sized portion -
1 heaping TBS coconut flour
1/4 tsp baking powder
1 well beaten egg
(optional - 1/2 TBS coconut oil or butter melted)
mix ingredients
shape a bun or bread slice sized dough on parchment paper
Bake at 400 till done.
I'm able to slice the slice shape or bun in two for a sandwich or toast...

Both of these are easy and fairly quick to make. Your recipes all sound good SoE.

BTW - only the kale and collards survived the single digit temps under their row covers.

Here's hoping all of you have good food and good lives!

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@Lookout
Now, to find almond and coconut flour!!! I'm sure Sprouts or Whole Foods has it - although I work hard to avoid Whole Foods since they use cheap prison labor.

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@Raggedy Ann Look in the baking and sometimes cereal aisle; Bob's Red Mill brand has all kinds of flour alternatives. Bulk sections should have many different kinds too.

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@Daenerys @Daenerys
You’re so right - Bob’s Red Mill offers a wonderful selection. Good

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Any name will do for the dish that helped me recover, there is no recipe but here are the ingredients:
Edited to add: leeks! Sauteed with the beef, for some reason I am off onions and garlic right now, but leeks are good.
fancy grass fed ground beef
carrot, brocolli, portabello mushroom
rice pasta shells
cream cheese
salt
pepper (and turmeric*)
worcestershire sauce
broth made from the scrap veggie ends

All in one pot on the hotplate. I hodge packed it in two days, boing! Smile All ingredients local, organic, and expensive! Unbelievably delicious flavors, and bigly nutritious I hope. It did make apparent I was lacking fat, and probably the aminos in beef.

* Somewhere I read turmeric is anti-inflammatory and might help with joint pain, so I started adding it to my pepper jar. I use lots of black pepper, not so much salt. My finger joints are still fairly operational this winter, before they would just ache all the time. Could be cannabis CBD, but maybe turmeric is helping too. Probably both.

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@eyo
Turmeric is good, but I've had better luck with tart cherries.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/tart-cherries-relieve-osteoarthritis-pain

I use the juice (2 TBS) with cider vinegar (2 TBS) added to 5-6 oz H2O morning and evening, but there are also capsules. It ain't cheap, but it is cheaper than meds.

I differ from Jane Fonda...my saying is....no pain, no pain!

PS - I've not been to a doctor for illness in over 40 years.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout another reason to be embarrassed, flushing tens of thousands of dollars down the psychiatric toilet for "professional" opinions from people who had no idea wtf they were doing. I messed up my internals taking their advice, no longer down with the "soft science" people, nope. Duped is how I feel, like a dumb guinea pig. I hope you have influence on a lot of people in your proximity, setting a good example.

c99er talk is better therapy than most other healthcare available, sorry to say. Thanks for the cherry tip, if the supplement works out, I'll tell ya where to send a bill. I'd like to see how it mixes with apple cider vinegar, which is good for ailing upper GI but has awful aftertaste. thanks

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@Lookout Tart cherry for joint pain, anti-inflammatory. Helps purge uric acid, and helps with gout. It is kind of expensive. The bullseye store is cheapest around here.

It contains natural melatonin, which helps with sleep. I usually wash down my daily aspirin with a big glass, during the evening.

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@eyo @eyo Good idea to add it to the pepper jar.

When the stiffness of winter hits I start eating a modified Kandi (Indian yogurt sauce) over rice, eggs or stove top biscuits for breakfast. Or in not hungry a couple of tablespoons straight out of the fridge.

Kandi
Make a roux

    2 T oil
    1/4 c flour (rice or wheat)
    1 tsp tumeric (anti-inflammatory)
    1 tsp fengeek (anti-inflammatory)
    1 tsp ginger, powdered (cold tolerance) or mustard (traditional)

toast to light brown for flavor
add
2 Cups plain yogurt
hot chili oil to taste
simmer until thickened.

Store in fridge up to 2 weeks

Indian curries (not powdered curry spice - yuk) usually have turmeric and fengeek as ingredients and are another food alternative. Have not tried the black cherry juice.

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I think I might actually get my family to eat Impossible Pie. Yay!

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

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I just can't get the slicing right.

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Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

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@The Aspie Corner
but still couldn't get it, so we got a guide and it has worked great.

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@The Aspie Corner You want a good serrated bread knife for slicing bread.

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Good cooking skills are more important that the quality of the equipment. Any place in the world can be partially experienced without traveling by making their local dishes.

That's pretty much my philosophy about cooking, the power of food to break down barriers, the importance of bonding over it, etc.

Back when we had a Resilience series here, a similar essay had piqued me to write something that covered some ground with respect to this topic.

If you don't mind I'll just copy and paste it here:

I'll just start with one of the themes of eating right, more consciously, being aware of ingredients and cooking with a philosophy of using fresh food/ingredients and not wasting (but while I do this I am pan roasting a variety of nuts and dealing with a four month old!).

I spend a good deal of time thinking about and encouraging friends how to when considering shopping for groceries or going out to eat, but especially to cook more (instead of just watching the Food Channel, being inspired to learn and apply tips to actually cooking) and to be able to make something out of very little, of course in the context of eating healthier and being more conscientious of the environment and the healthiness and deliciousness of one's meals.

Some basic philosophies for me are: eat less meat and remember to use it sparingly to flavor dishes, eat greens as much as possible (in addition to which every dinner we have a big green salad which varies all the time to go along with the main dish), avoid eating anything in a bag or can without having read the ingredients (esp for high fructose sugar but also with unpronounceable long laboratory names), severely limiting white flour (turns to sugar) and dairy (both are hereditary concerns), and being conscientious about using everything in the refrigerator, which leads often to great new recipes.

What this means in our kitchen is: our cupboards are mainly an open rack with lots of Ball mason jars and re-appropriated glass jars containing lots of whole grains (bought in bulk) such as brown rice, whole wheat couscous, quinoa, risotto, bulgur wheat. Plenty of beans, including garbanzo, split peas, black and red kidney beans, green and red lentils. Nuts of all kinds, including almonds, cashews, walnuts, pecans, and pumpkin and sunflower seeds. Perpendicular to that on a long shelf above the long rectangular cutting and preparing table are more jars filled with herbs and spices. Those would include thyme, rosemary, oregano and many spices, including lots of Indian, such as garam masala mix, turmeric, mustard seed, cardamom, tandoori mix, hot chili powders, corriander, cinnamon, and loads of cumin (which is essential for everything from Mexican to Middle Eastern cooking).

One of the great joys of living in NYC is the abundance of fresh and varied food. You'll never come to my place and not find at least a few if not all of these, of what I consider staples now: black and green Greek olives, capers, sundried tomatoes, cumin, smoked paprika, turmeric, hot chili powder, oregano branches, fish sauce, cardamom, mustard seed, black peppercorns, different vinegars, various mustards, Japanese soup base, Thai Massaman curry paste, Indian chutney, etc.

We also are part of our local community garden, where my girlfriend plants various herbs and vegetables. Last year was kale and tomato mania, plus some decent cucumbers and herbs.

Good to see you all.

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FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
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@Mark from Queens and comment string full of valuable advice on all stages of food preparation and storage.

Martha Pearce-Smith created three diaries for The Resilient Permaculture Kitchen Handbook

Chapter 1
We all want to eat better, eat safer, and just plain eat. Food is important to all of us for obvious reasons. Even for picky people, eating is an essential act of Life.

Chapter 2
Here, we get into some fantasies, some maybes, but honestly, if we worked at it, everything below is possible, achievable, and even affordable, no matter how fantastic it may sound.
We become locavores and domevores - the bulk of our food will be local or domestic, bought from CSAs (Community Supported Agriculture) or farmer's markets or local buying coops. When we buy imported foods and spices, they will come to us through Fair Trade arrangements that improve lives across the world. Fair Trade groups can be found at UU and some Mennonite congregations, as well as stand alone stores.


Chapter 3

Several years ago, the BBC had an article with a list of the most dumped (wasted) foods: bagged salads, bread, fruit, pasta, and cheese. It made me wonder what the most dumped foods in America were, and what the comparison was between American dumped foods and British dumped foods (and German and French and Italian and Spanish and assorted Asian and Australian....). In poor countries, the largest food waste comes during the production of food, but in countries like the US and Great Britain, it comes at the consumer stage - we buy food only to throw it away!
There is a difference between "food loss" and "food waste"

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@studentofearth
If you're like me and can't stand vinegar, you may want to try peanut sauce on your salad instead. 2 parts peanut butter to one part mild oil (preferably peanut), mix well, add salt to taste, pour over salad. Yum!

Of course, some people can't tolerate peanuts, and I don't have an answer for them. Sad

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reminds me of a variant of polenta we (I) used to make, and a little bit of a frittata. We've been ding a lot of leek fritattas lately, too many, in fact. It has inspired me to consider a variant of tamale pie, more along the lines of some central American tamales than the Mexican ones. Instead of a filling wrapped in masa, they make the filling mixed throughout the masa. That converts easily to tamale pie by simply mixing the normal filling throughout the normal crust material and baking as usual. It captures the advantage of being able to carve out a chunk a reheat it without having the filling escape and run free as happens with ordinary tamale pies.

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@enhydra lutris Just top with a little enchilada sauce when it hits the table.

Have added polenta friatta as ameal choice since you brought them to our attention last May.

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Loaf of bread by president.jpg

Notes:
1) Preliminary data suggests the price of a loaf of bread in 2017/18 has gone down to 22 minutes of labor. Credit where credit is due. Something under Obama's administration made things get better for bread.

2) I suspect if we added in the total cost of living including healthcare this picture would look much grimmer.

3) One cannot really look solely at the presidency. In real life other factors like wars, congress, etc. factor in.

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-- lotlizard

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@SnappleBC
commodities?

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@enhydra lutris

...directly from the data in the linked article. I'm pondering putting up another one with a more general COL model.

I just thought it'd have more impact in visual form and then I laid the Presidents on top of it.

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-- lotlizard

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@SnappleBC
my bad for not checking.

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@SnappleBC of the change in our lives. Would be interested in seeing one with general cost of living info.

My memory kept thinking about how the cost of bread was compared to wages worked to show the better standing of living that US citizens had compared to the rest of the world. The graphic showed clearly why information is no longer shown with the minimum wage comparison.

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produced a live birth. And the couple is proposing another round for a genetically-related sibling. So I am a half-grandmother.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.