Sunday Open Thread: August 20th is Saint Stephen's Day in Hungary

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 5:00am

World History

On August 20, 1000, The Hungarian state was founded by Saint Stephen,
On August 20, 1083, The first King of Hungary, Saint Stephen, was canonized
On August 20, 1926, Japan's public broadcasting company was established
On August 20, 1940, Leon Trotsky was fatally wounded
On August 20, 1993, The Oslo Accords were signed

US History

On August 20, 1775, The Spanish established el Presidio San Augustin del Tucson in Tucson
On August 20, 1866, The American Civil War over was officially declared to be over
On August 20, 1910, The Great Fire of 1910 burned about 3 million acres in NE Washington
On August 20, 1920, The first commercial radio station began operations in Detroit
On August 20, 1998, Clinton attacked Sudan's only pharmaceutical plant with cruise missles. That's a serious war on drugs.

Science & Technology

On August 20, 1858, Charles Darwin first published his theory of evolution through natural selection
On August 20, 1975, NASA launched the Viking 1 toward Mars.

The Arts

On August 20, 1882, Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture debuted

Misc.

Birthdays of Note

August 20, 1881, Edgar Guest, poet
August 20, 1890, H. P. Lovecraft, author
August 20, 1905, Jack Teagarden, trombonist, singer and songwriter
August 20, 1918, Jacqueline Susann, author and actress
August 20, 1934, Sneaky Pete Kleinow, pedal steel guitarist
August 20, 1941, Dave Brock, musician, singer and songwriter
August 20, 1942, Isaac Hayes, singer, songwriter, pianist and actor
August 20, 1952, John Hiatt, singer, songwriter, guitarist

Deaths of Note

August 20, 1672, Johan de Witt, lynched and partially eaten by a mob
August 20, 1785, Jean-Baptiste Pigalle, sculptor
August 20, 2012, Phyllis Diller, actor**, comedian, hair stylist
August 20, 2013, Elmore Leonard, writer

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** 'An actress can only play a woman. I'm an actor, I can play anything.' - attributed to Whoopie Goldberg
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I know it is a different dude, but I don't really care I could've gone with Mosquito Day, ya know.

Tucson

Jack Teagarden

Sneaky Pete Kleinow

Dave Brock

Isaac Hayes

John Hiatt

At the time this posts, my wife and I will be at a coastal location that advertises its lack of any cellular reception (or WIFI) as a feature. Should be back Monday, however.

Facebook image: By User:Petr Šmerkl, Wikipedia [CC BY-SA 3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0)], via Wikimedia Commons

Bonus:
Isaac Hayes

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John Hiatt

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August 20

Saint Stephen

Tucson

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Comments

Submitted by HenryAWallace on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 7:40am

Hope you are having a great weekend.

Tucson beloved of Paul and Linda McCartney and home of the McCartney Ranch, where Linda chose to pass away after battling breast cancer. Team McCartney thought to buy Paul some time by saying she'd passed in Santa Barbara, California. When reporters searched in vain for a death certificate, California authorities thought McCartney had violated local law. So, he had to cope with that. (Sheesh. Everyone knew she had breast cancer. What were the ghouls digging for anyway? Assisted suicide? Shame on them.)

"Jo Jo left his home in Tucson Arizona for some California grass"
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6gKe9Fr2ok]

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 7:09pm

Good evening an thanks for the ino.

@HenryAWallace

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Submitted by The Wizard on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 7:34am

Fascism good:bad?

With US support-- training, weapons and money!

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Submitted by HenryAWallace on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 7:38am

Good or bad or just a bad fashion statement?

@The Wizard

The tiki torches just seem so out of place. And now I have a sudden craving for pineapple.

Submitted by dervish on Mon, 08/21/2017 - 1:17am

I was thinking the same thing

@HenryAWallace any sort of intimidation that they intended was completely under-mined by the use of tiki torches. They look ridiculous, not scary.

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Submitted by lunachickie on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 11:05am

Hi!

Hope everybody's been doing well! I am up to my eyeballs this weekend, it's a housecleaning party at Chez Luna (relatives coming to visit...mustn't have them telling the mother-in-law they found DUST on my counters, LOL!)

But I have been lurking about, wanted to come by and share something I found yesterday, in case it hasn't posted here, and particularly in case Alligator Ed is around and hasn't seen it yet! Am still trying to pick my chin up off my desk, if it really means something, and I would assume it does, but...this is from Jared Beck (via George Webb? I can't tell for sure), who, with his wife Elizabeth, are the lead attorneys for the Plaintiffs in the DNC lawsuit:

Submitted by on the cusp on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 11:55am

@lunachickie I need Al Ed to put this

@lunachickie I need Al Ed to put this info into some perspective. Or somebody. Anybody.

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Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 7:14pm

Good evening, Luna. I can't provide any clarity,

@lunachickie
but thanks for the informtion.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Submitted by gjohnsit on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 11:38am

Is this getting out of hand?

It reminds me of China's Cultural Revolution

Submitted by studentofearth on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 12:25pm

Cultural revulation seeped into all aspects of the culture

@gjohnsit That idea struck me in the middle of the night when I was looking up information on embroidery of all issues.

Like the Peking Opera, Hunan embroidery was a tool for political purposes during the Revolution. Before the Cultural Revolution, the themes of Hunan embroidery consisted of animals, flowers, fairy tales, and old legends.42 As soon as the Revolution began in 1966, the government criticized this art form because it was seen as part of the “Four Olds”, and the production of Hunan embroidery went down to nearly zero.43

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Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 7:35pm

There are places that have retitled Columbus Day to

@gjohnsit
celebrate something else, such as "Indigenous Peoples' Day". There isn't much to say for the man either. His motives weren't any good and he didn't discover zip shit or prove anything. And then there's that genocide thing too, not really cool.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Submitted by lotlizard on Mon, 08/21/2017 - 8:42am

Will Italian-American organizations step up and push back?

@gjohnsit
The glorification of Christopher Columbus has traditionally been a pretty important rallying point in Italian-American community politics.

And what about the Catholic fraternal service organization Knights of Columbus?

Or the movement to have Columbus canonized (declared a saint in the Roman Catholic tradition)?

Submitted by eyo on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 12:50pm

Six Degrees of Elmore Leonard. SHAFTA negotiations

Meh. It is cold and cloudy, a nice break from the heat. This morning I felt cold for the first time, as the equinox approaches. Hope it clears up tomorrow though, looking forward to 80% eclipse action.
Freaky Deaky
That face was painted by Dennis Ziemienski. It is the face of his brother-in-law, my previous landlord for thirteen stupid years (naivete kills). A very very bad memory. Horrible. I never read the book, heard it was horrible too. heh Nice artwork though. good job uncle denny
http://ziemienski.com/
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SHAFTA, that's what we called it in the 90s. Differences emerge in trade negotiations

Industry sources say the U.S. also pushed for the establishment of a wage system in the manufacturing industry, an issue that had not previously been publicly raised by the U.S. government.

What is that wage system about? I never heard of it. I never read the agreement either so I don't know much, except for the consequences. Those I know quite well.

Mexico and the U.S. clashed earlier this year over subsidies and dumping in the sugar industry.

There's more but I followed that sugar link and it wasn't long before the web included this Bloomberg gem: These Sugar Barons Built an $8 Billion Fortune with Washington's Help

Trump wasn’t Pepe Fanjul’s first choice for president. That was Florida Republican Marco Rubio, in whose rise to the U.S. Senate the younger brother was instrumental. But Pepe did serve on the host committee for a Trump campaign event in July 2016 that took place at the West Palm Beach residence of Wilbur Ross -- a social friend of the Fanjuls who, as Trump’s commerce secretary, is helping direct Nafta talks.
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The resort sits on 7,000 acres of prime coastline, and includes three golf courses, polo grounds and an international airport. Political celebrities who’ve vacationed there include three former presidents, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton. According to society watchers, there have been no sightings yet of the man who defeated her for the White House.

Six Degrees of Oligarchy for the win.
Shaft Goes to Outer Space

good luck

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 7:44pm

Good evening, eyo, thanks for reading and for the information.

@eyo

Meh. It is cold and cloudy, a nice break from the heat. This morning I felt cold for the first time, as the equinox approaches. Hope it clears up tomorrow though, looking forward to 80% eclipse action.

That face was painted by Dennis Ziemienski. It is the face of his brother-in-law, my previous landlord for thirteen stupid years (naivete kills). A very very bad memory. Horrible. I never read the book, heard it was horrible too. heh Nice artwork though. good job uncle denny
http://ziemienski.com/
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SHAFTA, that's what we called it in the 90s. Differences emerge in trade negotiations

Industry sources say the U.S. also pushed for the establishment of a wage system in the manufacturing industry, an issue that had not previously been publicly raised by the U.S. government.

What is that wage system about? I never heard of it. I never read the agreement either so I don't know much, except for the consequences. Those I know quite well.

Mexico and the U.S. clashed earlier this year over subsidies and dumping in the sugar industry.

There's more but I followed that sugar link and it wasn't long before the web included this Bloomberg gem: These Sugar Barons Built an $8 Billion Fortune with Washington's Help

Trump wasn’t Pepe Fanjul’s first choice for president. That was Florida Republican Marco Rubio, in whose rise to the U.S. Senate the younger brother was instrumental. But Pepe did serve on the host committee for a Trump campaign event in July 2016 that took place at the West Palm Beach residence of Wilbur Ross -- a social friend of the Fanjuls who, as Trump’s commerce secretary, is helping direct Nafta talks.
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The resort sits on 7,000 acres of prime coastline, and includes three golf courses, polo grounds and an international airport. Political celebrities who’ve vacationed there include three former presidents, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton. According to society watchers, there have been no sightings yet of the man who defeated her for the White House.

Six Degrees of Oligarchy for the win.
Shaft Goes to Outer Space

good luck

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Submitted by k9disc on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 12:55pm

We Bought a Tour Bus Last Week...

Well, it was an over the road coach, an ex-Greyhound bus that was refit in the late '00s and used as a corporate donation to Detroit Public Schools Athletics Department. We got it to use as a home while on the road teaching with the dogs. We're going to be remote

We've had her 6 days and almost got the floor out for a bus conversion to RV.

It's pretty INSANE! Such a huge deal and huge mechanical rig.

Pretty exciting stuff.

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Submitted by Azazello on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 3:47pm

Happy Birthday Tucson!

Here's the founding document:

I, Hugo Oconor, knight of the order of Calatrava, colonel of infantry in His Majesty’s armies and Commandant Inspector of the frontier posts of New Spain, Certify: that having conducted the exploration prescribed in Article Three of the New Royal Regulation of Presidios issued by His Majesty on the Tenth of September of 1772 for the moving of the Company of San Ignacio de Tubac in the Province of Sonora, I selected and marked out in the presence of Father Francisco Garces and Lieutenant Juan de Carmona a place known as San Augustin del Tucson as the new site of the Presidio. It is situated at a distance of eighteen leagues from Tubac, fulfills the requirements of water, pasture, and wood, and effectively closes the Apache Frontier. The designation of the new presidio becomes official with the signatures of myself, Father Francisco Garces, and Lieutenant Juan Carmona, at this Mission of San Xavier del Bac, on this Twentieth Day of August of the Year 1775.

The Santa Cruz river flowed back then with real water. The Presidio was moved north along the river from Tubac to protect an O'odham village from Apaches. The village was located on the west bank, across the river from the fort, at the foot of a hill called Chuk Shon. The Spanish rendered the Indian words as Tucsón.
More Linda:
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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 5:59pm

water, pasture and wood

@Azazello

The Santa Cruz river flowed back then with real water.

I was about to say: Water, pasture and wood? Tucson??!!?? ROTFLMAO!!

But then, I re-read your Comment, and noticed the 1775 date. Things were a lot different then!

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Sun, 08/20/2017 - 7:50pm

Good evening Az. Thanks for dropping in and providing that

@Azazello
"document" (what does one call a transcripted trasnlation transmitted electronically?) I got a kick out of the "effectively closes the Apache frontier" bit. I seriously doubt that it did any such thing, though it may have prevented Apache depredations within a certain area.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Submitted by dervish on Mon, 08/21/2017 - 1:19am

Does anyone know of a photo hosting site

that allows third party hosting? I was going to post a pic here the other day, but Photobucket wouldn't let me, they've stopped allowing people to post photos on other sites.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

Submitted by enhydra lutris on Mon, 08/21/2017 - 9:28am

I'm not sure what 3rd party hosting is, but I use flickr.

@dervish

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --