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[Hello, all. I've finally made the jump to join this community, and am very happy to see it prospering with so many wonderful folks. I'd like to republish my last post on DK, in case I'm banned and it becomes inaccessible. It was originally posted on January 31st. Something tells me it might be worth reconsulting at some point. A few minor edits are included.]

On January 30, 2016 Daily Kos user Dartagnan wrote an important diary featuring a post by Simon Head in the New York Review of Books blog section, entitled “The Clinton System.” In this post, Head pulls together many threads of reporting on Bill and Hillary Clinton’s relationship with donor networks and big corporations, to paint a bigger picture of how they became so wealthy, how much money has sluiced into their campaign war chests, how the donors to campaigns and the Clinton foundation seem to have an inexhaustible appetite for hearing the Clintons speak, and how important favors seem to magically appear around these donors. Dartagnan’s diary does an excellent job of reviewing this post, and I will not discuss it in detail today. The larger issue the post raises is today’s topic.


The Clinton Family Business

Hillary Clinton told Diane Sawyer in a 2014 interview that she and Bill left the White House “dead broke:”

You have no reason to remember, but we came out of the White House not only dead broke, but in debt," Clinton said. "We had no money when we got there, and we struggled to piece together the resources for mortgages for houses, for Chelsea's education. It was not easy. Bill has worked really hard. And it's been amazing to me. He's worked very hard.

Bill did indeed work very hard. So did Hillary. While Clinton’s laughable assertion that she and her husband were “dead broke” may not have been strictly true, it is undeniable that both have become fabulously wealthy in the fifteen years since they left the White House. The most recent reports have the two of them worth $111 million. Where did this fortune come from?

Neither Clinton has won the Powerball jackpot. Nor have they invented a killer app. Instead, as the Simon Head piece shows, both Clintons have worked very hard at the family business of industrial scale graft and influence peddling. Big corporations pay both of them lots of money in "speaking fees,” but anybody with three brain cells to rub together knows that when a politician is accepting a six figure check from a big bank or corporation, they’re not being paid to speak. They're being paid to listen. The results of that remunerative practice are well illustrated by Head.

The Clinton foundation has many of the same big corporate and financial donors as the Clinton campaigns and super PACs as well. The opacity of its finances were a significant issue in the 2008 campaign, and opening the books to some degree was a condition of Clinton being named Secretary of State in 2009. This reluctantly bestowed peek inside its finances did not prevent at least the appearance of conflict of interest, however, as Head’s piece also illustrates.

The success of the Clintons' business model is dependent on maintaining power to wield and influence to peddle. After Bill’s second term ended, it fell to Hillary to perform this task. A house in Westchester County was procured by the “dead broke” couple. A path magically appeared for Hillary to step into a Senate seat from New York (a state no doubt chosen entirely at random). Loud chatter about Hillary as a probable future presidential candidate soon started, and has never let up since. She thought she had the Oval Office in sight in 2008, with plenty of Wall Street’s money — excuse me, her constituents’ money — behind her, but she failed when it turned out Wall Street had more than one donkey in the race. But Hillary, never one to give up, landed the Secretary of State position. After leaving that sinecure to top up the family’s flagging fortune, she assumed the role of Future President in Waiting, to the full blare of trumpets heralding her inevitability. In this way, she has been able to maintain the power and influence the family business requires. And Bill has taken full advantage of it. Hillary Clinton’s ongoing quest for the Presidency is central to this business model. Her candidacy is in this sense their livelihood.


America, Inc.

Bill and Hillary Clinton are not unique to the world of corruption, of course. The American Republic has been awash in corruption since the Constitution first permitted only white men of property the franchise. Corruption has been the default state of our governing system, and the inventors of our republic recognized the reality and the danger going forward (while themselves benefiting from it, of course.) Today we are functionally an oligarchy, with the Democratic and Republican parties acting as divisions in the Governmental Affairs Department of America, Inc.

Corruption has been reduced and partially beaten back in our history from time to time. The Progressive movement of the last century was in large part a reaction to the shameless corruption of the post-Civil War political world. Both Roosevelt presidencies worked in many ways to reduce this corruption. Nowadays, though, the New Deal Democratic party is as dead as the Whigs. Our latter-day version is one more vehicle of corporate influence: the Goldman Division, as it were. We are locked in phony battle with the Koch Division for spectacles of Potemkin democracy, which offer choices that cost the owners of this country nothing and usually improve their quarterly numbers. Nothing can be done anymore that doesn't pay off billionaire sponsors first and last. Social wedge issues are used by both parties to keep their partisans cheering, but these issues have negligible cost to the sponsors of the contest.

A corrupt political system is of the money, by the money, and for the money. It necessarily disenfranchises average voters who cannot write big checks and fund shadowy election buying rackets. The poor voter turnout and widespread cynicism about politics this country experiences are a symptom of this systematic disenfranchisement. People are not as stupid as political “experts” think, although many of them are plenty stupid nonetheless. It is the job of the court stenographers in the media to keep them that way.

In this system the Clintons are enthusiastic and talented participants, but not originators. The Republican party has long been nothing but a vehicle for the wielding of billionaire power, to the extent that they’re no longer embarrassed by it. The Koch brothers can hold what amounts to a slave auction of Presidential aspirants in their “secret” Palm Springs konclaves, where the eager participants jump and dance and show their teeth to the appreciative gaze of the prospective buyers. The Clintons’ main contribution to the system has been, as founders of the DLC, to help complete the not-so-hostile takeover of the Democratic party by its current owners.


2016

So we arrive at the present. Hillary Clinton is ready to assume the throne, having proclaimed to all that she is the favorite of all the quality sort; that the party’s owners, uh, big donors are all behind her; and that the hoi polloi will enjoy the bread and circuses she will provide. The courtiers in the media sing her praises and scramble for favor. The chamberlains and viziers and chancellors have been carefully chosen to ensure that the reign will smile on those footing the bill for the coronation. All the well-heeled residents of the imperial capital agree that it must be so. How can it be otherwise?

We are told by all the Very Serious People that this is the way things must be done. We must accept the owners’ largesse with gratitude and loyalty, lest the Bad People and their owners (often the same owners, of course) usurp the throne and cast us into the pit of eternal fire. What choice do we have? It’s the system, and we can’t change it. Resistance is futile.

Oddly, though, the hoi polloi are restless. Bread is harder to come by, and the circuses no longer entertain. The solemn incantations of party orthodoxy no longer serve to keep the masses docile and quiet, as heresies abound and apostates multiply. Why won’t people just shut up and cheer, and let their betters handle things? It is very perplexing.

The most important lesson the 2016 campaign teaches so far is that people are fed up with the status quo, and are no longer willing to listen to the establishment’s opinion shapers telling them the way things are supposed to be. They are increasingly believing their lying eyes. Republican voters are growing tired of the slave auction acquisitions leading them around by the nose. Democratic voters are less worldly wise, so far. But the plurality of voters, who choose to associate with neither party and are sick to death of the show, they are in large part more aware than either. People in general are increasingly unwilling to accept the arguments for the status quo, the preemptive capitulation to the power of money, the reality of oligarchy.

Both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders derive much of the power driving their candidacies from this rebellious mood. They speak different languages to different audiences, but the subtext of their appeal is similar in this respect. Throw the Bums Out is a much more potent argument this year than More of the Same. And people are increasingly wise to the game power plays, in which bums are thrown out to be replaced by more bums. The crowd response to the traditional argument “You have to fight fire with fire” is “Fuck that shit!”

Hillary Clinton and her backers explicitly believe that in this Citizens United world, the best way to fight corrupt money in politics on the Republican side is with more corrupt money on the Democratic side. How else can we win? Actually, fighting fire with fire only creates a lot more ashes. The best way to fight fire is with water. The best way to fight corrupt money in politics is not more corrupt money in politics. The best way is to make corrupt money poison to any politician accepting it. That means weaponizing corruption as a political issue, and taking advantage of the anger in the country at politics.

This seemingly obvious point has been ignored because of the fact that in order to wield the weapon of corruption as an issue, you have to be perceived as not tainted by it yourself. This requirement has left it unused in our political culture. Bernie Sanders is one of the very few politicians in national politics who has not been generally corrupted by Washington. Just like Andy Dufresne in The Shawshank Redemption, he swam through a river of shit and came out clean. Bernie can wield the weapon of corruption, and has been doing so to increasing effect. Even Donald Trump has been able to swing it a few times, despite his obvious deep involvement. Apparently to Republican voters, it’s better to be a buyer than a seller at the politician market. Nobody else in the race has a chance of using corruption to their advantage as an issue.

Hillary Clinton’s long record (the downside of “experience” is that it leaves a record) leaves her defenseless against the weapon of the corruption issue. And Republicans know it. Donald Trump has already fired a shot across her bow by mentioning her association with him. It is not unlikely that one of the reasons the Republican establishment has begun cozying up to the Donald is that they see a possibility he can beat Hillary. If they’re right, corruption will no doubt be the main feature of their general election campaign. Another endless round of accusations and scandals surrounding a Clinton, this time with a lot more evidence than was available to those pushing the Vince Foster conspiracy nonsense. Should Clinton win, the drumbeat would continue as long as she maintained office. Anybody who remembers the Nineties should be tingling in anticipation of that prospect.

We cannot roll back the corruption of our political system with more corruption. The Democratic party can only win a corrupt contest by trying to be just as corrupt as the Republicans, but they have more billionaires than we do. The only way to win is with asymmetric warfare, by not playing according to their rules. Hillary Clinton cannot do this. Bernie Sanders can. The American people have had enough with the corrupt status quo. Anyone who calls him or herself a Progressive should not tolerate it, for historical reasons if nothing else. Who will fight this corruption if we don’t?

Bernie Sanders will be attacked as a socialist, and a Red Commie, and a Godless atheist, and who knows what the fuck else. But Bernie Sanders is a moral man who has spent his life working for and fighting for the people. He also has Kryptonite against the Republican smears: the awesome, shameless, historic corruption of today’s Republican party. He can parry their thrusts with the Koch brothers and climate change denialism and Social Security privatization and tax cuts for billionaires and the Iraq war debacle. He knows how to stay on message and present a vision to the American people through all the fog and distractions of the media courtiers. And even the country’s owners should listen to him, because Soak the Rich is better than Eat the Rich. His governing philosophy is simple: the Golden Rule.

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Didn't George Bernard Shaw write a play based on that? Man and Superman, I think. Don Juan goes to hell where all the interesting people are.

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… the Stars Hollow Gazette. Please pass on to her my fond “Aloha” and “Mahalo nui loa.”

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and a great way to go out on dkos!

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IMHO, one of the best writers and commentators at the other site Wink

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Dallasdoc is one favorite writers as well!!!

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As I've publicly said on a couple of occasions in the past, Dallasdoc is THE best writer I've ever seen on DK.

As JtC says, once the dust settles down, this place place is going to be fun and an informative experience. I joined about a year ago, but look forward to participating more on this site.

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It was one my all time favorite diaries essays!!!

And SOOOOOOO glad to see your voice here!!!

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so many familiar names, and yours is high on my happy list! And I'm happy to have comment titles, silly as that may seem to some.

Glad you reposted your GOS diary; I had not seen it, and will read it complete in the morning. Blurry eyes and lots of text do not mix. Smile

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All these familiar names, whee!!

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Drive by hug and smile from Baja Smile

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Send me some warms. I'm tired of being cold.

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Great to see you here and all the others who are signing up. So many familiar names!!!

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I am truly rejoicing at this site!

What a godsend!

This place is gonna be fuckin' brilliant!!!

I will tell you this (and this is why kos is a fool) the most valuable asset, hell, the ONLY real asset of a website is CONTENT. And the content providers for a political blog are the writers. And kos just alienated all of the best writers at his site.

But it is much much worse than that.

Get this...
He invests tons of money to rewrite his entire website, basically from scratch, with this sexy new mobile friendly, social network friendly, DK5. And then, as soon as he finishes with his upgrade. He invests another junk of cash on a six month digital marketing campaign to recruit a new crop of members, but not just any new members, new members who are writers, because he knows he can't grow his site without contributing quality writers. (I wonder what the CPU / customer acquisition costs on those "quality new members" was? ... well, it is about to go sky high, because...)

WHAT DOES THE FUCKING IDIOT DO THEN?

THE IDIOT CENSORS THEM!!!

HE ALIENATES THE LOT OF THEM!!

Bob Johnson was laughing about this in his latest diary, and I am laughing too!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Brilliant! Just fucking brilliant, kos! Can you be more fucking stupid?

You just...
(A) blew all that marketing money for jack!
(B) blew all that development money on a site that is now toxic.
(C) blew 13+ years of goodwill for a corporate whore, a criminal, who everyone who is paying attention knows is gonna be indicted.

What a fucking idiot.

That's right, kos...
EVERYONE WHO IS FUCKING PAYING ATTENTION FUCKING KNOWS SHE'S GONNA BE FUCKIN' INDICTED.

You've just been living in your GOS censored bubble for so long that you have blocked out the rest of the media world. Get a fucking clue. Reality-based community, my ass.

150+ FBI AGENTS. 10+ MONTH INVESTIGATION. 2100+ CONFIDENTIAL EMAILS. 22+ TOP SECRET EMAILS. 1 EX-STAFF EYE WITNESS GRANTED IMMUNITY.

DO THE FUCKIN' MATH, KOS! THE WRITING'S ON THE FUCKIN' WALL!

Everyone sees it but you.

Your candidate is going to be indicted. And when she is...
...in a fucking New York Minute, you're gonna be begging the members you just kicked to the fucking curb to return.

Fuck you, kos. And fuck you too, MB, for not taking a stand to defend Bernie Sanders supporters when it mattered. You've both been traitors for years, letting Denise and her fucking suck-up acolytes gang up on the innocent honest souls who just want to tell the truth. Yeah, I've watched. I've seen. Even when I've been silent. I still watch. Every day. Every. Day. Been reading every day for almost ten years and I've seen your site at its greatest height, and I've watched it fall. Once upon a time you were great. Once upon a time we helped a black man become the first POTUS. Now your site is dead. You don't know it. But it is. The spirit is dead. The spirit is gone. The creativity is gone. You killed it. The best writers, like Dallasdoc, no longer feel safe or at home on your site. THAT is the telltale sign. And they are at home here. Watch. In the next 6 to 12 months, c99 generates the most quality political content on the net. BAR NONE.

Watch.

This community is gonna grow like wildfire.

And oh yeah, Bernie Sanders is gonna be the next POTUS.

Mark my words.

You lose, kos. You will rue the day you published that fascist corporatist screed.

Yeah, March 15th, The Ides of March ... lol ... you fool!

Could you have picked a more ominously karmic date?

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The spirit is dead. The spirit is gone. The creativity is gone. You killed it.

I simply use the single Hebrew word Ichabod, which means all of that. (See Jewish Scriptures, I Samuel 4:21)

The Grateful Dead have a tune which expresses our feeling towards Daily Kos these days:

[video:https://youtu.be/ksw1keFJpBI width:560 height:315]

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I owe everybody - perhaps especially you for this post - upvotes, but mine now don't seem to be staying... I've only just signed up here, which could be why, I suppose? My sig doesn't show, either - life is rough for the computer/social site illiterate who didn't grow up with either, lol.

But I do have a nasty feeling that Clinton will no more be indicted than was Bush - the level of blatant corruption is shameless, with the TPP signed and democracy thought to have been off-shored.

Personally, I plan to go back to DKos and comment a lot up until the 15th, when I expect to be obliterated from the site, because that way, at least some of any readers noticing have a better chance of understanding that the site has been made irrelevant by censorship as of that ominous date. And that Hillary is expected to be declared Queen (hah, the title's already been claimed by Nightprowlkitty, and I have two nocturnally inclined prowly kitties here who will back her right to the throne) by April Fool's Day at the latest.

Just going to ROTFLMAO for a while at the dates selected, but it's so good to see so many familiar names here and at Reddit and to know that the fight continues with determination only bolstered by attempts to shut us up. The movement continues and they feel it in their bowels.

It is better to Bern than to carry water for the 1%, may they ever thirst.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Glad to see so many faces (UIDs) here, especially all the people I really enjoy reading over there.

New moniker for me: no longer at UVA (Jeffersonian) and since the Grand Bargaining Table, no longer a Democrat, so Jeff Dem made no sense anymore. I joined yesterday, and already there seems a less stressful, less antagonistic air to this place. I actually like it.

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Thank you for the post, Dallasdoc. So nice to see you here. (And everybody else, too!)

I'm late stopping by, doing some late night reading. Looks like I'll be here awhile. You all have been busy. Smile

Take care, all.

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"Enough" was epic over there and still is. Thanks for bringing yourself and that masterpiece here. I signed out of dailykos a few days ago for the first time in nine years, hoping I would find your voice again in the blogosphere - yours and others that made the place worthwhile. Thank you, caucus99. What timing. You built it and here we come. I add my apologies to the many for crashing your gates. Haha. Bravo for the quick revival!

Speaking of timing...I never knew Tricia Wyse (sp?) but there was no mistaking her standing - a cornerstone in the community fabric of dailykos. Her passing within hours of The Edict, an irreversible fracture, is not lost on me.

Here's to you, everyone else here, and the determined stewardship we share to create a better world.

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Without her and her critter-friendly, "no politics here" safe corner, there's nothing left worth going back to DKos for.

Oh I know the other Fur & Feathers people will try to keep things going, but it won't be the same - and without her fierce defense of that little corner, it will eventually, inexorably be squeezed out. Sad

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Oh I know the other Fur & Feathers people will try to keep things going, but it won't be the same - and without her fierce defense of that little corner, it will eventually, inexorably be squeezed out. Sad

One more feature we need to get migrated here, as it will not Reddit well.

We need to prepare to gather coin for the next inevitable server upgrade. Kos will probably have servers to sell, cheap, soon! Wink

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As in she passed away? I hope that's not true - I haven't really been around DK lately. If it is, I'm genuinely sorry to hear that.

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triciawyse passed away last week. :(((

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End of an era, indeed. RIP, PootieLady.

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The whole rec list beside the Bernie Sanders page was filled with diaries mourning/celebrating her memory - she got a great send-off, at least. Dunno if this helps make you feel any better, though...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Hope you're signed up on our Reddit page as well!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kossacks_for_Sanders/

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Good to see you again! Glad to see you taking on the corruption issue. The only way out of many of the problems in this country is to clean out as many of the corrupt politicians on both sides as we can. This is why I strongly support term limits-0-along with publicly financed elections--for everything from the dogcatcher on up to the presidency.

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Couldn't get your link to NYRB to work. Maybe it was just me?
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-201...

So good to be able to read & post here. Thanks to all who made this Safe Place possible
President Sanders: an idea whose time has come

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I posted the actual link up top as a reply to my initial comment. The Head piece is a real eye-opener.

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Know I won't get banned for posting this here. A first time poster posted it on the Kos Get Out of Here by 3/15 Diary, it was hidden & poster banned.

https://www.change.org/p/i-support-bernie-sanders-but-i-will-not-support...?

Don't know how much of a difference something like this makes. But under the hope (prayer) that every little bit helps.
Just wish there was a way to convince the DWS/DNC/DLC/Third Way that supporters of Bernie Sanders are not going to support the Clintons.

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it's possible that i might support hillary in the general, when i see how everything else adds up. i won't vote for her unless i really HAVE to.

i hope i don't have to.

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what I'll do if it comes down to the Queen of Mean vs. one of the Awful-Awfuls. It'll probably depend on how the state is trending - if it's clearly lopsided one way or the other, I can follow my conscience; otherwise I may have to hunt up the biggest clothespin in the universe. Blum 3

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Made that mistake last time for Obama.

If the Democratic party is so stupid as to depend on my fear of "What could happen" they can go right to hell.

If I'm not voting for Cranky Deli Man, I'm voting for The Green Woman.

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I vote in Florida which is a wild card state, but I do not care. I cannot compromise my values and voting for Clinton or any of the Rethugs will compromise my values. I have not decided as to whether I will write in Bernie if Hillary gets the nom, or go with Dr. Jill Stein.

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...so it's not a big deal.

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i won't vote for her unless i really HAVE to.

And just because you are holding your nose and voting for her doesn't mean you support having to do so!

Sad

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

Thanks, signed the petition.

I suspect that, as is typical with corporations so deeply involved, that the fix is in and the concern more that the race be at least close enough that it's possible to get away with even more cheating than has already been evidenced. But I will not make the error of underestimating Bernie or the growing group of better-informed and more aware American people and my hope remains strong that The People will come through.

Edit: even if I'm too tired to type and somehow double up words, lol. (I love having an edit function!)

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You, Steven D, OPOL...almost everyone I read is popping up here and I'm absolutely ecstatic about it.

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... and of all the writers I have admired there, Dallasdoc has become my true north. I realized that after I read "Enough" the first time. I think it was the bet diary I ever read there.

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Thank you for that undeserved praise. I'm glad you liked the piece.

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Very nice to see you here! Today I started spending less time at dkos. Will go for BNR (and to donate through LP's jar) and rec some diaries but will try to stay out of the comments. Mostly. I've found it increasingly enervating. Feels like is saps some essential life force now, and there's so much need for energy and enthusiasm to be directed in productive ways.

That was one hell of a diary. Good to read it again.

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We are so happy that many really good people have discovered us here at CC99. I hope you will find that we are a place where you feel welcome to discuss the real issues in an adult way without judgement.

It is good to see you here. Smile

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and a big welcome; great to have you here. Smile

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How are you doing? Anything I can do to help?

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articulate and reasoned responses and diaries and keep on trucking. Smile
Thanks for the kind words about helping. Being here does the trick. Cheers.

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Just found this site from a link in a comment on DK.

My soul is being crushed by what is going on there. And I can't in good conscience stop saying what I Say, even though I don't post a lot of diary's or comments. The Truth demands it.

Seeing you here, DD - has made it clear this is going to be a good place to explore the territory of the mind and debate the future of Our World.

I think I'll grab a sit on the front porch swing if no one minds, and listen to the conversation for a bit ... & please don't be too offended if I spit once in a while at that damn elephant in the room...

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