21st Century Corporate Propaganda

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W.T.F... ?

Seriously, this image is one of the most blatant pieces of propaganda I've seen in my entire life. And the published piece is completely bonkers too.

I would excerpt some shit, and it is shit, but I just don't have the time nor energy to track down all the half truths. Having been quite interested in domestic spying, tech, and the corporate state, the shit peddled in this article is just completely fraudulent.

I'm not going to lie. This really scared me. It's the kind of propaganda you can't attack. The imagery is a complete "fact" to a shit ton of people. We're going to dismantle democracy to get Donald Drumpf.

I recommend you all read the piece, and that's no easy task, it is a hard read.

And please, call this shit out as naked corporate propaganda. Fight the good fight.

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"It's a sign of the times".
This is why I haven't looked at that rag for many years.

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Bollox Ref's picture

The White House has become a Russian Orthodox cathedral?

But seriously, you could pretty much superimpose an image of the WH on any famous building across the globe, given a very meddlesome Federal Government.

(Edited: spelling cock-up)

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@Bollox Ref Bradd Jaffy

sent out a tweet lauding the story and the image, and called it "White House/Kremlin" not knowing it's a cathedral not the Kremlin.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/865164921054666752

Actually it's not clear whether US media doesn't know the difference or they use St Basil's because it's better for propaganda because Kremlin building doesn't give the scary Red Square vibe that we know from the last Cold War. This isn't the first time someone has crafted a magazine cover image merging the White House and St Basil Cathedral representing it as the Russian White House.

But Jaffy was retweeted 2500 times and even after many people told him it wasn't the Kremlin, he didn't correct it. He's an NBC "senior editor" and he's all propaganda all day long.

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@Joanne Leon

That's sad!

Doesn't say much for NBC's editing capabilities. Not that I watch, or am surprised.

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dervish's picture

@Joanne Leon on the Russian building. They've never seen a church before? The level of stupid in the article is astounding.

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@Joanne Leon I thought when the Kremlin was super-scary it was kind of, you know, NOT religious. Opiate of the masses and all that.

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@Joanne Leon

Hey, if the story's untrue, why worry whether the illustration that's placed with it is or not? You must be one of those reality-based people who's just supposed to watch and take notes while the guy on the couch explains how he can rebuild reality to suit himself and make it really, truly real.

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@Bollox Ref I may have to write my "Why the Fuck Should I Care If Putin Did Take Over the U.S." rant after all.

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Seriously, I think the world might be better off if he did. At least he doesn't get off on the idea of nuking the universe...

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one hell of a scary place right now.

EDIT: And it should never be forgotten, as I'd sort of let it slip my mind, that in 2013 Mr Obama signed off on whatever it was (NDAA?) to make perfectly legal the use of propaganda against US citizens. I'd forgotten that and then there was Caitlin Johnstone reminding us all in the EB a few weeks ago....

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@lizzyh7
Obama fucked over the country big time during the eight years he was in power. Only a Democrat can effectively destroy true democratic policies.

Obama Quietly Signs The "Countering Disinformation And Propaganda Act" Into Law
By Tyler Durden
Created 12/26/2016
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NOTE: The bipartisan Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act is organized around two main priorities to help achieve the goal of combatting the constantly evolving threat of foreign disinformation from our enemies:

The first priority is developing a whole-of-government strategy for countering THE foreign propaganda and disinformation being wages against us and our allies by our enemies. The bill would increase the authority, resources, and mandate of the Global Engagement Center to include state actors like Russia and China as well as non-state actors. The Center will be led by the State Department, but with the active senior level participation of the Department of Defense, USAID, the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the Intelligence Community, and other relevant agencies. The Center will develop, integrate, and synchronize whole-of-government initiatives to expose and counter foreign disinformation operations by our enemies and proactively advance fact-based narratives that support U.S. allies and interests.

Second, the legislation seeks to leverage expertise from outside government to create more adaptive and responsive U.S. strategy options. The legislation establishes a fund to help train local journalists and provide grants and contracts to NGOs, civil society organizations, think tanks, private sector companies, media organizations, and other experts outside the U.S. government with experience in identifying and analyzing the latest trends in foreign government disinformation techniques. This fund will complement and support the Center’s role by integrating capabilities and expertise available outside the U.S. government into the strategy-making process. It will also empower a decentralized network of private sector experts and integrate their expertise into the strategy-making process.

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And so, with the likes of WaPo having already primed the general public [11]to equate "Russian Propaganda" with "fake news" (despite admitting after the fact their own report was essentially "fake [12]"), while the US media has indoctrinated the public to assume that any information which is not in compliance with the official government narrative, or dares to criticize the establishment, is also "fake news" and thus falls under the "Russian propaganda" umbrella, the scene is now set for the US government to legally crack down on every media outlet that the government deems to be "foreign propaganda."

Just like that, the US Ministry of Truth is officially born.

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@CB

authorizing the federal government to propagandize its own citizens. I was really leery of what they were up to that required express authorization for what every government since before Pharaoh Rameses I has done anyway.

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@CB
FDR? Or that he didn't earn his Nobel Peace Prize? Say it ain't so.

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A noun, a verb, Russia

@CB

sounds like he might be a reincarnation of Joseph Goebbels. If the USA is in an information war, I sure as hell don't want DARPA to be winning it.

"proactively advance fact-based narratives that support U.S. allies and interests"

OK but how about proactively advancing utter bullshit narratives that support US "allies and interests"? Which is what WaPo and NYT are already doing, and what these DARPA creeps evidently want to do a lot more of. To protect us poor vulnerable citizens of course, from having our feeble minds polluted by anyone the USG deems to be an "enemy". Or more accurately, an enemy of US "allies and interests"... whatever the hell they are supposed to be.

This whole business stinks to high heaven. A good article about it here:
https://russiaexplainer.com/tag/rand-waltzman/

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@native

Several choices as to rationale: they know what they want to make us think and, perhaps more importantly, not think; megalomaniacs and psychopaths always think that they are waaaaay smarter than other people, so that other people have to have their minds and perceptions controlled by their betters; some of the pathologically greedy/micromanaging control billionaires/corporate interests just can't stand the idea of anyone having anything else, neither money/property nor rights. And they're working on that and have been achieving it, especially in America, for some time.

But as long as we aren't in a position to impose our views on or creating harm to others, we have a right to be wrong. They don't have a right to limit what we can normally see or read on the internet (apart from some exceptions; child porn, actual animal cruelty inflicted for thrills, potentially murderous incitements on hate sites - any really sick stuff which causes harm to the vulnerable and portrays this as exciting and acceptable) or try to brainwash us.

To err is human, as is the conviction that you're more right than the other guy. (Especially when you know the other guy's a propagandist.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcpEte4plbw&list=RDwcpEte4plbw#t=9

Joss Stone - Right To Be Wrong

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

I'm not even going to finish that. Talk about projection onto the Russians, my God.

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to fuck with the minds of the great unwashed. It demonstrates the massive strength, reach and capabilities of the Russian cyber-warriors and proves there is no effective remedy short of reducing many of the freedoms the people of America currently enjoy by censoring the intertubes.

For many Americans, Russian hacking remains a story about the 2016 election. But there is another story taking shape. Marrying a hundred years of expertise in influence operations to the new world of social media, Russia may finally have gained the ability it long sought but never fully achieved in the Cold War: to alter the course of events in the U.S. by manipulating public opinion. The vast openness and anonymity of social media has cleared a dangerous new route for antidemocratic forces. "Using these technologies, it is possible to undermine democratic government, and it's becoming easier every day," says Rand Waltzman of the Rand Corp., who ran a major Pentagon research program to understand the propaganda threats posed by social media technology.

Never before in the history of the United States of America has this country been so threatened. We must rise up in unison and put away our petty personal grievances such as minimum wage and health care. These become meaningless if we lose that which is most important and precious to us as a nation, our American Democracy, which is the bright beacon that shines upon every corner of the world bringing hope, peace and prosperity to the downtrodden.

Let us stand proud with our hands to our hearts and fight this evil together.

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@CB
some outstanding snark!
You should teach it.

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@Pricknick
climate in the sixties which enabled the Vietnam war are responsible for that Times propaganda POS. Team B is back in the catbird seat.

This was seen coming months go.

The Neocons and the “deep state” have neutered the Trump Presidency, it’s over folks! (UPDATED 2x)
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Less than a month ago I warned that a ‘color revolution ‘ was taking place in the USA. My first element of proof was the so-called “investigation” which the CIA, FBI, NSA and others were conducting against President Trump’s candidate to become National Security Advisor, General Flynn. Tonight, the plot to get rid of Flynn has finally succeeded and General Flynn had to offer his resignation. Trump accepted it.

Now let’s immediately get one thing out of the way: Flynn was hardly a saint or a perfect wise man who would single handedly saved the world. That he was not. However, what Flynn was is the cornerstone of Trump’s national security policy. For one thing, Flynn dared the unthinkable: he dared to declare that the bloated US intelligence community had to be reformed. Flynn also tried to subordinate the CIA and the Joint Chiefs to the President via the National Security Council. Put differently, Flynn tried to wrestle the ultimate power and authority from the CIA and the Pentagon and subordinate them back to the White House. Flynn also wanted to work with Russia. Not because he was a Russia lover, the notion of a Director of the DIA as a Putin-fan is ridiculous, but Flynn was rational, he understood that Russia was no threat to the USA or to Europe and that Russia had the West had common interests. That is another absolutely unforgivable crimethink in Washington DC.
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@CB

now should you? Das ist verboten -- or if it's not, it soon will be.

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@native

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@native along with The Saker and many other useful sites, including Antiwar.com, Black Agenda Report, Consortium News, Information Clearinghouse, Naked Capitalism, Truthdig, Truthout, ZeroHedge, etc.

Oh, did I say “Propofol”?

a short-acting medication Deep State media ploy that results in a decreased level of consciousness and lack of memory for events.

I meant “PropOrNot,” of course. Although you can see how I would get them confused.

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@lotlizard

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

@CB

America needs them most?

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@HenryAWallace
J Edgar could not be controlled. They didn't fit in to the scheme of things.

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@HenryAWallace  
A nation turns its lonely eyes to you
Woo woo woo
What’s that you say, Mrs. Rodham, the
Bernie Bros and Left are gonna pay?
Hey hey hey   ♪ ♫

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@lotlizard Nicely done!

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@CB buttons that the McCarthy freaks used to push.... brain-washing, subversion, manipulation, sabotage, conquest, betrayal. The Reds were everywhere!

Now they aren't even Red, but I sure hope they're getting a good laugh out of all of this, and fervently hope that these American idiots don't shove us into world war with their insane games.

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

Or maybe satanic picnic.

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Is the underlying concept that we were all too damn stupid to not want that Clinton wretch in the White House on our own. Oh Hell no. The fucking Russians brainwashed all us ignorant rubes and that's why the Clinton Creature wasn't coronated.

That's a damn insult to our 'intelligence, (not that these arrogant shits think we have any).

EDIT: fixed 'coronated'

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@Amanda Matthews Crowned?
Anyway, I totally agree with you.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
snarky.

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@Amanda Matthews Oh, I get it. Smile

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
lingo.

Might as well since they've packed the 'new and improved' DNC with Clintonista's, Brock, Podesra, & Co., et al, are out writing editorials and articles pushing the RUSSIANS DID IT crap for all it's worth, and the Clinton Creature has quit hassling the wild life in the wilderness and is back and out forming PACs and political organizations. I'm really afraid that it'll probably come in handy. Again.

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@Amanda Matthews A small question, if someone has NOT been brain-washed, does that mean that they have a dirty mind?

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@dervish
to be a smart ass. Apparently they'd prefer you to be a dumb ass.

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A dirty mind is a joy forever, so the proletariat don't deserve 'em.

Edit: I keep mine safely in the gutter, so brainwashing can't ever take hold.

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government was sending TV news shows videos of news stories made by the government or its flacks and the news stations were just running them without change and without announcing government had provided them? I can't remember when or how that came out, but I remember reading about it--and not from a source anyone sane could question, either. What if they do something similar with print media? Campaigns do that. Why wouldn't government?

BTW: I've heard several times now that Russia "attacked the US." https://caucus99percent.com/content/big-lie-russia-interfered-us-preside... Today, it's been really escalating. The blood of the fallen cries out stuff. They are trying to make it sound like leaving Trump in office would be high treason--and the investigation has not even begun.

As far as I ever knew, the blood of the fallen cries out for the safeguards of the Constitution, like innocent until proven guilty beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt.

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...the US government was sending TV news shows videos of news stories made by the government or its flacks and the news stations were just running them without change and without announcing government had provided them? ...

Corporations have been doing that forever - now that they and their billionaire owners are not only running but staffing the government, they continue...

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I tried to read this pos propaganda, but I stopped when I got to Russia invading Ukraine in 2014. Now that propaganda is working here because so many people say the exact same thing. And that Russia stole Crimea during that time. No matter how many times people point out what Nuland said about spending $5 billion to get Yahtzee installed.

It described how Russia had already moved on from the rudimentary email hacks against politicians it had used in 2016

So there was more than just the DNC and Podesta's emails that were hacked ? I haven't heard that. Oh well, I didn't hear most of the things that the author wrote.
Wow, we are going to have to very diligent and make sure that Russia doesn't change how this country was formed. They might change our history. If they change it and tells kids the truth about Columbus, what they did to the Native Americans and the real reasons why our country has gone from country to country and killing people and destroying their country, then I wouldn't mind if they changed our history.
K9disc, I think that we have to fight back against this type of propaganda and fight back hard. There is no way that I am going to swallow this type of crap and watch as our country slithers off to another war that might include nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, most of my family is on board with the Russian interference of not only our election, but of Europe's elections too.
There has been one country that has interfered with our elections, our government and our foreign policy. Israel And I want people to know that.

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It hasn't hit yet, but it's about to be everywhere.

I will fight the good fight, @snoopydawg , rest assured.

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And then it hit me,"This is "reality"™. I'm going to be fighting "reality" itself." @snoopydawg

It's going to work too.

This combined with the end of Net Neutrality really does not bode well. TINA to corporate propaganda.

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@k9disc http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/05/09/major-media-organize-ri...

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@snoopydawg  
 
The Institute for Research: Middle East Policy (IRMEP):
http://www.irmep.org/
and an archive of documents that IRMEP maintains, relating to Israel’s lobbying activities:
http://www.israellobby.org/

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@snoopydawg I'm guessing Saudi Arabia has too.

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at the doctor's office, and thus nice and neutral homemaking and beauty magazines, or very pro-military rags(VA)...

Course, just got a smartphone for the fist time ever, (THANKS HONEY!) and so when I get used to that thing, may never read a crappy magazine again.

I mean if they brought back short story magazines I'd read that... Or submit stuff... I'd rather not have to write the kinda stuff that people search for online...

Just saying. There is a market... and the MSM ain't interested...

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I don't Blame Christians. I Blame Stupid. Which Sadly, is a much more popular religion these days.

@detroitmechworks
since the media lost interest in being "market based" and instead started shoving shit down our throats. The whole "fascination" with celebrity was cultivated - it didn't originate with the people. Remember Anna Nicole Smith's death? She was no one, but they ran stories for months as if we were trying to lick up every last little morsel we could about her. The people were sick of hearing about it. We didn't realize it at the time, but we were being trained.

Now, with more media outlets than ever, we get about 90% less legitimate news stories and a ton of crap about celebrities, feel good stories and crime/criminals/murderers. ABC regularly spews Disney advertisements masquerading as "news". Since when did the people demand to know the weekly results of "Dancing with the Stars" in our news broadcasts?

Recently I've noticed that every daytime talk show now spends a good deal of time providing product advertising during their non-ad time. I mean, The Price is Right was always a continuous ad but now it's seeping into the talk shows. Don't they realize we don't have enough money to buy all their crap anymore?

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@gustogirl

Stars. Nothing will get me clicking faster with the exception of maybe The Apprentice. Oh, and Survivor. Pretty much all reality TV. Which is why I was mystified as to the popularity of the current White House pResident.

TV is mostly cr@p anymore, but then I remember a time when the premise of the film "Network" seemed improbable. Little did I know that it was a warning.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

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@peachcreek Holy shit.

"I don't mind a parasite; I object to a cut-rate one."

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@peachcreek
back in 1996?

US interference.jpg

Fortunately for Russia, this gross interference in the democracy of a foreign country by the US inadvertently set up the conditions for Putin to get elected in 2000.

Putin put an end to the American depredation and pillaging of Russia and, within 10 years he had pulled his country from the ashes to remake the country strong and vibrant.

The US power elite will NEVER forgive Putin for snatching their hard won prize from their rapacious jaws. Fifty years of western machinations, lies and deceit, costing untold hundreds of billions of dollars, all gone up in a puff of smoke due to the work and skills of just one man - Putin. This is why he is so reviled and denigrated by the west and so loved by the Russians. Unlike the majority of Americans, Russians know and remember their history.

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@CB Maybe if they were competent imperialists, rather than the modern equivalent of rampaging Mongolian cavalry leaving smoking ruins behind them wherever they go, it wouldn't have turned out that way.

I'm not in favor of imperialism of any stripe, but if we've got to have it it would be good if the people running the show were not driven by the unrestrained egotism of your average 4-year-old.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal other countries have done the empire thing in much smarter ways than the US, with the result that those empires got away with it for longer periods of time. The US can't keep this up much longer, raging Mongolian cavalry indeed.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal @Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal @Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Something else I've gotten by listening to Pacifica radio, is that Ghengis Khan was a lot better person than he's given credit for being. Voltaire smeared him in the 18th century, partly to whip up fervor against kings prior to the French Revolution, and that destroyed Ghengis's reputation forever. Ghengis did a number of good things, including establishing freedom of religion. He was not a religious person himself.

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@Timmethy2.0
from the remnants that one of their periodic disunifications had left. And of course the Chinese have never forgiven him for it. Smile

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@Timmethy2.0 Genghis Khan did indeed do some good things. Just not so much to the foreign countries he was invading.

At least he, unlike the current crop of maniacs, was capable of keeping his word.

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Better check that video card. Or maybe the game needs a patch?

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

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@k9disc Stunning, yeah; not particularly skillful but apparently skill isn't needed these days.

All the subtlety of a WWE wrestler smashing through a pane of sugar glass.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

A counter attack is being planned after the tax cuts.

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The only thing I could think of to reply was, " a little dramatic." This propaganda is disturbing.

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If you acknowledge it, you can change it.
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the Russians would consider it a success if you questioned the truth of your news sources

They cannot possibly have said "Don't question what we tell you", can they? Nobody would be that blatant... or so I would've thought.

Don't question legacy media. That's hilarious.

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Just to get this out of the way, Yes, I'm a plant from DKOS paid for by the DNC

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@SnappleBC I say keep it up, MSM. Things got to the point in the old Soviet bloc that literally no one believed the state news. We are fast approaching that day here.

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@dervish
September 1934, in a letter to the Pittsburgh (PA) Post-Gazette:

There is a current joke in Russia about the two principal newspapers of the Soviet regime, ‘Pravda’ (the truth) and ‘Izvestia’ (the news):

‘Neito Pravda uv Izvestia a uv Izvestia nieto pravda
(There is no news in the truth and there is no truth in the news)

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@SnappleBC ROTFLMAO! The Russians are happy if we use our brains?

These Russians are looking better all the time.

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@SnappleBC

Lol, they know it's implausible nonsense just as well as we do, but under the assumption that WE don't think, they focus so hard on trying to make people not think about/question such questionable bobunk that they don't think at all and so make themselves endearingly obvious. Well, perhaps endearing isn't quite the term...

But, yeah, you shouldn't question what your betters tell you.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Pacifica radio and such. One program was airing clips from the new movie, which I just found on youtube, The Dubious Friends Of Donald Trump. The movie looks like good investigative journalism into some pretty scary business ties Trump has had with Russian oligarchs. Here is the movie, just in case anyone doubted how f**ked we all are:

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There's a lot of unconfirmed speculation and innuendo in this 'movie'. I've watched the first ten minutes and it's not worth my time if it continues in this vein.

One of the problems is that the connections that Trump had/has with Russia date back to the period when US backed oligarchs were pillaging the Russian economy right after the fall of the USSR. These Russian oligarchs were pulling $1 to $2 billion out of the country every month during the 1990's at the very same time as the IMF and US Treasury Department was loaning Russia tens of billions in support of Yeltsin. They were looking for ways to launder their ill gotten gains and were investing in properties in London and New York. Putin put a stop to the worst excesses of this theft of Russian resources. Of course, it is SOP to blame Putin for these crimes.

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@Timmethy2.0 I would just like someone to explain to me why Trump's business dealings with Russian oligarchs are any scarier than the Bushes' dealings with the Saudi royals. Until someone can explain that, I'm inclined to see these business dealings as business as usual. And if we've decided that business as usual is unacceptable, then I want to see an expose of the foreign dealings and business interests of everyone involved in the federal government now or at any time during the past, say, 15 years, from Congressmen all the way up to the President. From the Bush administration through the Trump administration.

If we're going to clean these Augean stables, let's get to it. If not, then explain what makes Trump so different from all the rest, or stop wasting my time with PR.

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Voting for the party currently agitating for war with Russia seems adverse to the notion of promoting good government.
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The show is called Up Front. KPFA is currently doing a fundraiser so you have to listen to fundraising breaks too. During the breaks one of the hosts was saying that she was skeptical at first, but she looked up everything from the movie on the internet, and it's all right there for everybody to see.

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and the Times propaganda piece that Trump is a Russian puppet and is allowing the Russian government (Kremlin) to take over the US presidency?

Your movie is about Trump's connections to the Russian oligarchs and mafia. It was the American government itself which created the conditions for their rise and spread in the first place.

Russian oligarchs: What you need to know

They are probably best known in the West for owning football clubs, newspapers and big, big yachts.

But who are the Russian oligarchs, how did they come to be so astonishingly wealthy and how much influence do they have in Russia now?

BBC Russian's Yevgeny Kanevsky explains the background.

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@Timmethy2.0 Seems if there is some collusion, Putin did not get back any value with Trump. Here a few of the things which Trump has done (all from memory).

Sanctions will not be lifted. Exxon got no exception to sanctions. Trump bombed now twice a major Russian ally. Halley in the UN has skewered Russian on almost everything. Blamed all re-newed fighting on Russia in Ukraine. Halley wanted to put sanctions on Syria. Did Tillerson say that Russia invaded the Ukraine? Putin must give back Crimea to Ukraine. Troops not removed from Russian borders--seems to have increased. Pledged loyalty to NATO. New monies, alot of new monies, for new nuclear weapons. Mattis Calls Russia "Biggest Threat".

As of right now, and I could be limited in what I have seen, Trump's administration has not done the Russians whether private or Putin, any solid favors--in fact, quite the opposite. And some of the rhetoric from certain administration officials has been toxic toward the Russians.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal @Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal When reading the worst propaganda, there is the unstated and unchallenged assumption that any contact with any Russian is automatically nefarious, illegal, and treasonous. If someone puts Trump in the same room as some Russian oligarch, that is not enough. If there are criminal dealings, okay then, provide some reasonable proof beyond just mere association. By this logic, anybody with substantial money in HSBC is tied to Mexican drug cartels.

Edited: some horridly constructed sentences.

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Sorry, I tried to read that bizarre Times article, especially considering that the propensity for projection indicates that this is likely stuff they're doing themselves, but I couldn't manage it.

If the US Supreme Court was a legitimate and uncorrupted Court, such unconstitutional and illegal laws as the one Obama passed purportedly 'legalizing' the use of government propaganda against their own public in defiance of the qualifying-for-office oath to uphold the Constitutional rights of all Americans throughout all States of the Union, and the rescinding of Habeus Corpus could be tossed out - but then, those and such as Citizen's United and so many other unconstitutional and illegal abuses would never have been given the false patina of law for public optics and self-interest control.

It'll all have to to be Bernt down to start fresh...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.