@fakenews I voted for his Republican opponent. At least she had the good graces to be a Republican running as a Republican.

And WTF with Rachel Maddow? you can clearly see she is grovelling for her pay check. Ok, if you need to tell the truth and are afraid of losing your job - I will PUT you up HERE for FREE!!! But really, once you get used to high wages and the things it brings it's hard to go back and I think that is what we are seeing across the Democrat's industry...

peace
FN

@Crimson Buddha @Crimson Buddha
by Nir's assumption that Gabbard must be a conservative because she opposes the Dem establishment policy.
Talk about "dumbing down" the conversation.

He is also a symptom of everything that is wrong with the Democrat party.

@Oldest Son Of A Sailor
"Crashing the Gate" and "Taking on the System".

"Shocking the hell out of Republicans and Democrats alike."

There isn't anything Progressive left in the DemocRATic Party or at The Orange Stain...

@Oldest Son Of A Sailor

There isn't anything Progressive left in the DemocRATic Party or at The Orange Stain...

The progressives who were once over there are almost all now here, exclusively. (We still need to get ZhenRen to join us, however.)

"Shocking the hell out of Republicans and Democrats alike."

There isn't anything Progressive left in the DemocRATic Party or at The Orange Stain...

@fakenews

How can anyone expect to make electoral change with

rigged elections run by corporate political parties stated to be unanswerable to The People because of being 'privately owned' political parties determining The People's electoral choices,

selections being made by TPTB as to who can run/win of two corporate Parties, one of which The People are expected to identify with and rally behind to some divided and feasible-for-semi-plausible-electoral-cheating extent

- and now with Homeland (In)Security taking over control of elections, away from any hope of independent/citizen oversight?

Will the donors/owners of these corrupt corporate Parties mend their ways to allow for a 3rd Party run without even stealing votes from such contenders?

How about the corporate media?

How much longer will we have internet?

How long do we now have before dissidents begin to disappear?

Hasn't anyone seen this history before?

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@asterisk rectum of the DP leadership I'm surprised they can still breath

I saw an earlier hit piece on Tulsi Gabbard by one of the less popular kos kids/sockpuppets? that had a very vicious comment thread. Sometimes it seems like kosly kids are softened up for the big attacks posted by the Important People from the Front Page.
I just skimmed the diary you linked, but it looks like something that would make Faux News proud. Oh, Yeah, Oops. Fox News is the one being reasonable about this? I never thought I would see Faux do anything 'fair and balanced'. Now I am waiting for the sun to rise in the west.

Several of my comments on the Russia situation have disappeared from my comments list over at TOP. I have never been HR'd there. I thought that even if a thread or diary was hidden that my comments would stay in my own comments list?

I am beginning to see TOP as a place to find out what the Dem leadership wants and occasionally to try to get signatures for petitions about worthy causes. I have some knowledge of database manipulation and data mining; I often feel manipulated over at TOP.

Right now I would love to work for Tulsi Gabbard in 2020.

@asterisk I think you are right. There is definitely a behind the scenes editorial direction/agenda. I noticed that nearly all the front pagers have written an anti-Russian article--the site definitely wants to keep the Russian accusations very visible and lasting. The hit piece on Gabbard seemed to be more shrill than normal and definitely meant to turn democrats against her for talking peace.

I am beginning to see TOP as a place to find out what the Dem leadership wants and occasionally to try to get signatures for petitions about worthy causes. I have some knowledge of database manipulation and data mining; I often feel manipulated over at TOP.

I saw an earlier hit piece on Tulsi Gabbard by one of the less popular kos kids/sockpuppets? that had a very vicious comment thread. Sometimes it seems like kosly kids are softened up for the big attacks posted by the Important People from the Front Page.
I just skimmed the diary you linked, but it looks like something that would make Faux News proud. Oh, Yeah, Oops. Fox News is the one being reasonable about this? I never thought I would see Faux do anything 'fair and balanced'. Now I am waiting for the sun to rise in the west.

Several of my comments on the Russia situation have disappeared from my comments list over at TOP. I have never been HR'd there. I thought that even if a thread or diary was hidden that my comments would stay in my own comments list?

I am beginning to see TOP as a place to find out what the Dem leadership wants and occasionally to try to get signatures for petitions about worthy causes. I have some knowledge of database manipulation and data mining; I often feel manipulated over at TOP.

Right now I would love to work for Tulsi Gabbard in 2020.

@fakenews

It's easy to look back at the sixties and think that you are on the right side of history by being anarchist and revolting AGAINST the peace movement.

Umm, the anarchists in the sixties (and today) support the peace movements.

Please don't confuse the neo-fascist American "libertarians" with anarchists. In the USA, the term "libertarian" has been hijacked by right-wing assholes who only want liberty for themselves and those exactly like them, with endless war and strife for everyone else.

I've seen the posts by millenniums and I am very disappointed by the no "thinking" and "herd mentality" that takes place. It's easy to look back at the sixties and think that you are on the right side of history by being anarchist and revolting AGAINST the peace movement. You as young people need to stop, stop and think for yourself - this is not a "Tommy Hilfiger" commercial , it involves real lives. You are being led astray by commercial propaganda - the democrats in your corner are just as likely "killers" as you profess the other (who ever that is) side to be. stop and think, just think my young friends - where are they leading you? If it's NOT peace then it is NOT peace...

Peace
FN

@Fishtroller 02 I recall all the articles about HRC's coming landslide. The only debate was how many EVs she would rack up. Would it hit 400? And when I suggested that they might - I say, son, might - be counting their chickens before the big rooster sang "Doo-Dah" I was blasted as a doom-sayer, a Koch plant, etc., etc., etc.

That bus ain't had no wheels for a long time.

at Dkos and I am currently on a time out because of them. It's gotten real nasty there. I have been trying to get people to see that as long as Dems continue to behave in incredibly hypocritical ways, and continue to deny the facts about Hillary's loss, they will lose again. Now all they do is write tabloid style hit pieces on Trump which is a waste of time when there are so many areas that need their energy and focus. Pointing all this out does not sit well.
I do have to thank them though.... being on a time out gave me the final reason I needed to leave the Party. I went down to the local clerk's office and after 40 years of being a Democrat, changed my registration to Independent.
And when the time out is over, I will not hesitate to return to posting comments to point out the hypocrisy when I see it again.
I too read the diary on Tulsi Gabbard's trip to Syria. It doesn't surprise me that she is so reviled at DKos. She insulted everyone by quitting the DNC and promoting Bernie. That's all she needed to do to be on the shit list in Daily Kos heaven.

Oh, and here's a good one..... turns out that Deval Patrick, who just joined Obama's new "Foundation" refused to release his income taxes to the public when he ran for governor. Apparently it was OK for him to do that, but not Trump.

@Big Al
Just asking.

those at Daily Kos are truly propagandized people.

@gjohnsit but aren't they all?

Gabbard fully embraces the Assad/Putin line that sets up both the rebels resisting Assad and the United States (which supports the rebels, not Al Qaeda) as the bad guys in Syria

Can David even name a group of these so-called "moderate rebels"?
Nope, and he doesn't try because they don't exist.

@Sunspots @native @gjohnsit She don't take crap from no one--not Medusa, Not DWS, not Donna Brazile-nut, not CNN.

Although I am quite dubious of reforming the rotting cetacean, flopped on the banks of the Potomac, and resuscitating it, TNT have the best shot at it.

Dems don't need no doctor. They need a strong dose of Tulsi.

Join with neocons to start a war with Russia? No problem. Snuggle up with Goldman Sachs for campaign cash? Why not... if it's for the greater glory of the marvelous D Party! Democracy is after all, a great Sporting Event... much like the Super Bowl... but here we've got the White Knights vs the Deplorables. Ugh, those horrible Deplorables.

The choices are clear as day, so may the least bad side win, and go on to ever greater feats of exceptional bravery, noble rhetoric, and congenital greed. Hooray for our side! Democrats uber alles! Ignore Tulsi Gabbard and her traitorous grumblings! Cast her aside all ye loyal Kossacks, lest she lead you astray, and straight into the hideous maw of independent thinking, where there be dragons and monsters.

And with pretty much every other country that isn't already effectively our colony.

Dogma now is that nuclear war is survivable (for some) and would end with Full Spectrum Dominance for the U.S. Empire. They are insanely bloodthirsty. Look at Obama's late-term moves, packing more troops along Russia's borders, in Norway, for God's sake!

@gjohnsit to respond to establishment media.

@gjohnsit

OMG, I love Tulsi Gabbard for diplomatically uttering the truth about the role of the US and their allies in arming and otherwise supporting terrorists - this including the group (eventually) claimed responsible for 9/11 by the corporate coup/TPP-creating top Bush Admin corporation-representative guys who ignored and shut off warnings about the incipient attack for months, were too 'disorganized' due to scheduling war-games with the necessary defences at just that time to prevent it, and used the disaster as an excuse of the sort stated to be required in order to attack other people's oil-rich countries for long-planned connected-corporation gain - in this attack and invasion of the oil-rich Syrian people! And CNN actually aired this, without switching the facts off to cover any entertainment emergencies? Good for them!

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/30/syria-...

Syria intervention plan fueled by oil interests, not chemical weapon concern
Massacres of civilians are being exploited for narrow geopolitical competition to control Mideast oil, gas pipelines

Nafeez Ahmed

Friday 30 August 2013

... Experts are unanimous that the shocking footage of civilians, including children, suffering the effects of some sort of chemical attack, is real - but remain divided on whether it involved military-grade chemical weapons associated with Assad's arsenal, or were a more amateur concoction potentially linked to the rebels.

Whatever the case, few recall that US agitation against Syria began long before recent atrocities, in the context of wider operations targeting Iranian influence across the Middle East. ...

... According to former French foreign minister Roland Dumas, Britain had planned covert action in Syria as early as 2009: "I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business", he told French television:

"I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria. This was in Britain not in America. Britain was preparing gunmen to invade Syria." ...

...So what was this unfolding strategy to undermine Syria and Iran all about? According to retired NATO Secretary General Wesley Clark, a memo from the Office of the US Secretary of Defense just a few weeks after 9/11 revealed plans to "attack and destroy the governments in 7 countries in five years", starting with Iraq and moving on to "Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran." In a subsequent interview, Clark argues that this strategy is fundamentally about control of the region's vast oil and gas resources.

Much of the strategy currently at play was candidly described in a 2008 US Army-funded RAND report, Unfolding the Future of the Long War (pdf). ...

... It would seem that contradictory self-serving Saudi and Qatari oil interests are pulling the strings of an equally self-serving oil-focused US policy in Syria, if not the wider region. It is this - the problem of establishing a pliable opposition which the US and its oil allies feel confident will play ball, pipeline-style, in a post-Assad Syria - that will determine the nature of any prospective intervention: not concern for Syrian life.

What is beyond doubt is that Assad is a war criminal whose government deserves to be overthrown. The question is by whom, and for what interests?

And what of the far worse war criminals behind such global plots as this? We know the chemical attacks on civilians were not initiated by Assad.

Regime change in America, in the interests of democracy, Americans, America, the world and of the world's people and planetary life would seem to be the real imperative. Or there'll be nothing left to salvage in a very short time, indeed.

We have to get polluting industry the hell out of governance - now.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/18/fossil-fuel-companie...

Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF

‘Shocking’ revelation finds $5.3tn subsidy estimate for 2015 is greater than the total health spending of all the world’s governments

Why we need to keep fossil fuels in the ground

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Damian Carrington
@dpcarrington

Monday 18 May 2015

@gjohnsit I'm with @fakenews , "CNN is a p.o.s." Here is a good anti-rant for that interview:
http://www.newslogue.com/debate/304/CaitlinJohnstone

In her first major television interview since returning from her fact-finding mission to Syria, Gabbard was subject to a breathtakingly obnoxious spin job on CNN at the hands of the phenomenally despicable Jake Tapper, who peppered her with so many establishment party lines it’d make even the greasiest Fox News pundit blush. In the seconds leading into his interview with Gabbard, Tapper ran an appallingly blatant psy-op featuring “Bana Alabed,” a social media presence whose authenticity is subject to so much doubt from experts that it’s absolutely inexcusable for any purported news source to run any story about it as fact.
...

Remember Chicken Noodle News: "We're gonna go on the air June 1, and we're gonna stay on until the end of the world. When that time comes, we'll cover it, play 'Nearer My God to Thee' and sign off."

Whatever sells advertising. ~shrug~

around him... CNN is a piece of shit.

Piece & Peace

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@fakenews @fakenews glad I am that Hillary is not now president. In a world of two evils, she definitely is the greater in my mind.

PS. I presume you viewed my response to you there, LaFem

I'd link it but what the hell - we all know that Nir is screwed in the head anyway...

Peace
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@Amanda Matthews

Oooooo, thanks for the lovely research! The 'corporate-/elephant-/donkey-Party' stink always leads back to the same dung-pile from the same sort of over-rich greedy asses and their lackeys...

in the past? How many Daily Beast contributors are posted on TOS? Kerry Elevad was/is one and might still be. Are there any more?

Why do I ask? Because this shit started WITH THE DAILY BEAST:

Tulsi Gabbard’s Fascist Escorts to Syria

The Democratic congresswoman used affiliates of a violent, anti-Semitic political party to take tea with Assad.
ALEX ROWELL TIM MAK MICHAEL WEISS 01.26.17 6:25 PM ET

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/26/democratic-congresswoma...

Who owns THE DAILY BEAST"

The Daily Beast delivers award-winning original reporting and sharp opinion from big personalities in the arenas of politics, pop-culture, world news and more. Fiercely independent and armed with irreverent intelligence, The Daily Beast now reaches more than 20 million readers per month. John Avlon is Editor-in-Chief and Mike Dyer is Chief Digital Officer. The Daily Beast is based in New York and is an operating business of IAC (NASDAQ: IACI).

http://www.thedailybeast.com/company/about-us.html

AND who is on the Board of Directors of The Daily Beast?

Board of Directors

Barry Diller Chairman
Victor Kaufman Vice Chairman
Edgar Bronfman, Jr. Director
Chelsea Clinton Director
Michael Eisner Director
Alexander von Furstenberg Director
Bonnie Hammer Director
Joey Levin Director
Bryan Lourd Director
David Rosenblatt Director
Alan Spoon Director
Richard F. Zannino Director

http://iac.com/about/leadership

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All this is being generated by a Clinton propaganda site. It's a Turd Way operation to try to ruin her and her career before too many people hear that the 'New' Democrats have been lying to us as usual. They want regime change and Syria's assets, the Syrian people want to live so they want peace. The two ideas here ARE mutually exclusive.

It's another gaslighting job by the neo-liberals.

@native I feel exactly the same way as you do about the DP , Obamas's roll in the destruction of it and how far DK has fallen since the days when the site members were against the Middle Eastern wars or supporting coups.
When we worked hard to give the democrats the power to roll back the Bush abuses, they betrayed us. That was in 2006 and here we are 11 years later and they are doing the same things.
Voting to confirm people who aren't qualified to be in charge of dog catching.
Not one democrat has to vote for any of those people because they would be appointed by just republican votes, yet Warren says that she voted for Carson because Trump might try to appoint an even worse candidate.
Schumer and Pelosi have stated that they are going to try to work with Trump and his agendas but will be keeping their eyes on him and his appointees. After they are appointed there is nothing that they can do if they don't do their jobs.
Here's an article from Greenwald 7 years ago that explains the games and deception of the democrats by changing who gets to be the person that sacrifices their integrity and work with the republicans to pass legislation.
It's from during the health care debate and when Rockefeller had been on record for a public option before the vote for it and why he decided to vote against it when the time came for him to put his approval for it.
I hope that people read this.
It shows that the democrats are in league with the republicans and have been for decades.
http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/
It's just a game for them.
Remember DiFi spending $6 million to get the torture report? If she is so concerned about torture then why did she vote to confirm the person who believes in torture?

Congress critter with half a brain, and all they can do is shit on her. What, we're supposed to embrace Obama's "peace-loving" crew of Samantha Powers, Vicky Nuland, and Hillary "no-fly zone" Clinton as emissaries of a national consensus? To hell with that, and to hell with Brennan and Ash Carter and Chuckie Schumer and the entire MIC establishment. And fuck Donald Trump too, while we're at it.

Daily Kos has got its head buried so far up its ass, it is now peering out from its own nostrils. The site has become a parody of what it once claimed to be. By abandoning critical analysis in favor of partisan cheer leading and other-blaming, and by failing to identify and address the causes of the Democratic Party's dysfunction at a root level, Daily Kos is in the process of rendering itself conceptually irrelevant.

This is a sad state of affairs. I do not celebrate the precipitous decline of the once-influential and inspirational congruence of interests that was Daily Kos, circa 2004. Little did we know, back in the early 2000's, how perfidious and self-serving was the nature of the "loyal opposition" to the crimes of Dubya and Cheney. Little did we know, how compliant and often complicit our "Democratic" representatives had been in these crimes. Well, now we know. Or at least we should know, if we have eyes to see and ears to hear.

Obama, the silver tongued advocate for all we believed in, the miraculously black emissary for world peace, proceeded to betray the American working class as soon as he took office. First thing he did was to bail out the big banks. In foreign affairs, he needlessly abetted the Ukrainian revolution and resulting chaos, the utter dismemberment of Libya, and the attempted overthrow of the Syrian government -- via jihadist proxies, all the while railing against ISIS. Which was only prevented by Russia's intervention. So Mister Nobel Peace Prize in retaliation declares Russia to be Public Enemy #1, thereby initiating Cold War version 2, and threatening the entire world with a nuclear nightmare. Way to go Barack, Bravo. Hero of the Democratic Party who, in eight years in office managed to do exactly what? Prove that even black people can be upper-class corporate imperialists, just the same as white folks? Well, I guess.

And Hillary, Obama's rival-compatriot was supposed to take over the reins of an utterly corrupt and fully compromised Party that had never demonstrated an ounce of ideological integrity since the days of Jimmy Carter?