Trump promises insurance for everyone
Submitted by Sunspots on Mon, 01/16/2017 - 10:48am
- http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-16/trump-promises-insurance-everyb...
- “We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”
- Meanwhile, taking a similar approach to his efforts with Boeing and Lockheed Martin to lower costs, Trump vowed to bring down drug prices by forcing big Pharma companies to negotiate directly with the government for Medicare and Medicaid pricing.
- Trump said that he expects Republicans in Congress to work quickly to pass his new healthcare legislation and threatened that any splintering of the Republican party would be met with an aggressive appeal directly to the American people to put pressure on their Congressme
Very interesting! Of course, we'll have to see the specifics, and whether he can force the GOP to go along. He did also say that he doesn't want single-payer. I don't know how he's going to manage good health care coverage without single payer.. If he can give us decent insurance for all at a reasonable cost, will the Democrats fight it (because Russia? Because he's crude?)? If it's an mprovement and they do, they're even more dead and rotten than they are now.
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I wasn't sure of the blocking format, so
the points are what came from the article. I'll figure it out next time!
Thanks for sharing. DT has proven to be habitual liar and
media coverage groper so really doubt he has anything but we will see. Maybe.
Will have to see if bills or anything substantial show any seriousness or consistency on his part on this issue.
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I personally like the
#fight4medicare
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
All good stuff
But will he deliver on any of it?
Based on his cabinet, no.
Reply to: gjohnsitInsurance still comes up
Insurance still comes up. Guarantee would be better. Not sure of formatting, yet.
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Reply to: riverlover. Yes, that is the question.
Insurance is not the same as health care.
Reply to: Sunspots
^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This shit is bananas.
Uh huh - sure, that will happen
So let's see: no mandate, no subsidies, cut the Medicaid expansion, no single payer, but everyone will have insurance. How's that gonna work? Will this "insurance" actually pay for anything? Will people have access to health care?
We have to stop allowing politicians in both parties to conflate insurance with access to healthcare and services. People don't need useless insurance. We need guaranteed access to care.
Trump is spouting meaningless BS, as usual.
Reply to: CS in AZ
Hey CS in AZ! nice to see you!
I can hardly wait for the new insurance! It's gonna be Tremendous!
Seriously, when I heard Trump announce this today a big wave of relief spread over me, and I relaxed for the first time in two months. I know Trump is lying, but it also seems that Trump may be using his office to rattle congress. Ryan and McConnell have gotta be
peeing their pantswondering if Trump will veto their hasty (and idiotic) repeal if there isn't some form of his replacement plan on his desk under the repeal legislation. Maybe ... just maybe ... Trump intends on keeping some of his campaign promises.Edited to add: Trump promised to repeal Obamacare, and there's no doubt he intends to keep that promise. Congress is banking on it, and he's toying with them (imo). Trump's gonna build the wall too, though BushII already broke the bank on the first wall in the oughts (I was in southern AZ at the time myself and recall that set of walls very well). When BushII saw how expensive, impractical and futile the wall was he stopped construction and put up a virtual wall to soothe his base.
~annominous
DT will start by defunding it until it bleeds to death
and "insurance for all" doesn't mean healthcare for all.
Reading about DT having a golf game with a writer. It turns out DT is a good golfer, he can drive and putt. The writer wrote it up afterwards with a few funny quips, Trump didn't mind that but he insisted that the writer emphasize his score: 71. "But, but" said the writer, "we didn't keep score, it was just a game for fun." Trump insisted that his score was 71, proving that he believes his own lies. That's even worse than being just a plain liar.
To thine own self be true.
He's a crazy man
who has no filter between his mouth and his sick tiny brain and his giant ego. Jeeze it's going to be a long 4 years listening to this asshole. Surely the powers that be can put a muzzle on him. Maybe it's better he is such a loose canon. Perhaps it will keep the rest of our corrupt,psychopathic duly elected duopoly busy trying to deal with him. Interesting to watch them all react and start with the insane Russian's are coming routine. They are really scrambling to regain political traction. Too bad the 'opposition' is also doubling down on the insanity. Maybe twitter will pull his plug. He seems like one of the creepy decadent crazy later Roman emperors from when their empire was falling apart.
Reply to: shaharazade
Jimmy Dore was saying in a recent post that it's better to have a wolf in wolves clothing than in sheep's. I concur.
He may yet hit the right (or at least better) notes with drugs. We'll see. I'll scream as loudly as any if he doesn't, I'm gonna let him go through his ceremony before my jury gets called in. We were going to get stuck with one evil or another. We knew exactly what the other evil was up to - his book isn't written yet. Maybe he'll surprise us and do a good thing or two. I like what he did to that ethics vote - it's just one action, but it counts for something. This guy appears to be left-flanking Cory Booker - not sure I fully saw THAT coming, but so it is.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Reply to: CS in AZ
Ayep.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
No
Insurance.
Companies.
Period.
Big Al
No more insurance/extortion will become a reality at the same time we get a real electoral process. Which means forget about it. We don't need no stinking healthcare or a functioning democracy. There is no such thing as a free lunch as Debbie 'what kill list' once said. All you sanctimonious slackers will just have to stop whining or else we'll give you Pence. He in turn will turn this country into a theocracy on top of being a fascistic, war hog, oligarchy.
Promises, promises.
Easy to make, not so easy to keep. I'll believe it when I see it and I highly doubt we ever really see it. He's out of his depth and frankly, still campaigning in many, many ways.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Everyone? In California? Say again?
California budget could blow up without MediCal is what I'm thinking. JFYI to qualify for MediCal, income is poverty level or just above. Do that math. Or Sessions could blow the cannabis taxation plan away, but that's another thing.
Gov. Brown pitches $122.5 billion California budget, warns of deficit
He is talking about BigAg I think. My favorite part follows, can't get any more typical.
No wonder we have so many homeless. I don't think the problem is immigration either, it's all connected. Our local economy would absolutely collapse without the immigrant workforce. The problem is bosses who don't pay living wages and landlords that jack rent because they know the policies go against building affordable housing. And politicians are complicit, obviously.
Insurance IS access to healthcare for the poor, it literally is the same thing. Without MediCal more people will suffer and die. Granny in the ditch, it is not only immigrants who are poor.
This is good.Santa Rosa school board votes to protect undocumented students
You know what they had to turn off Disqus(ting) because so many racists are losing their shit online. Those are the ones I'd like to keep out of California, but then I become like them, so no.
Thanks
Trump, is going to appeal to the American people,
60% or so who hate his guts, to put pressure on Congress, 80% of whom hate their guts, to pass Trump's proposed health "Insurance" system.
Yep.
Reply to: Big Al
Yes, please.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
It seems as though
Trump might actually understand Monetary Theory to a degree greater than I thought.
I don't have to like him
I can even hate him, but if he really wants to force this down their throats then I would gladly support such action.
Yea that should have been
It's a con
If the nation actually gets what Trump describes, then I'll change my opinion!
Reply to: Crider
Ayup.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Reply to: Crider
Of course it's a con. He's a con man. Always has been and always will be.
Don't believe everything you think.
Reply to: Crider. We'll have to see what comes out
and if it's anything good, whether he can push it through.
Reply to: Crider
Joe Lampton?
Reply to: Shahryar
Staff Sergeant Raymond Shaw (Manchurian Candidate)
Reply to: Crider ah!
of course! Obviously!
Living in a city
that has become a developer/investor's (mostly foreign) wet dream has made me think that The Hairball is the perfect con man sales guy for the latest bubble. con, wall street global scam, housing and development. The Clinton was Big Ag featuring Monsanto, Tyson's and Wal Mart, the Bushies were Big Oil, Obama the financial sector, Banksters and now it's the dreaded developers, realtors and global investors in property. All of these administrations have of course bled into one anther's 'national/global interests' but they do seem to rotate which greedy nasty sector of the 1% get a whack at ruling the American roost.
DT's 'plan' is a rehash of the 2012 conservadem plan,
from what I've heard him describe. At the time, I posted a piece about their proposed 'tweak' at several blogs--including at DKos.
And, at least two of the current members of the Dem Party Leadership--Manchin and Warner--supported the bill.
Off the top of my head, other conservadem Senators who were pushing this plan were former Senators Landrieu (LA), Pryor (AR), Begich (AK), and current Senator, Heidi Heitkamp (ND).
Have to travel much of the week, but I'll try to dig it out to post at EB, next week.
'Individual' deductibles for these plans were projected to be about $9,000 per year in 2014.
Of course, I would like to think that DT-- or someone--would mandate that Medicare be able to negotiate drug prices with the pharmaceutical companies.
Since the ACA was passed, the cost of drugs for us has skyrocketed. Just one of Mister B's drugs went from $30 every 90 days, to between $2500 and $2800 every 90 days. Needless to say, our vet had to find a substitute drug--which is not FDA-approved for canines. (Most pet pharmacies dropped the drug altogether; of course, we put 'the B' in the W Club at Walgreens, so we still buy his RX's at a regular pharmacy.)
It is not harmful for him to take the substitute drug, but the replacement RX has not been tested on dogs, so, we have no way of knowing if it is as effective as the original drug.
Mollie
"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went."--Will Rogers
“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit and therefore– to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Conway says DT the right person to lead on lower drug prices
Honestly? We'll see what he actually comes up with, but SO FAR, he's done more than Obama did in 8 years on this subject and more than Hillary promised. Had Obama spent the momentum he had on including a public option, I'd give him a lot more points, but there are folks out there who cannot afford their ACA plans.
I think the wailing and gnashing of teeth out there is likely helping. Keep it up. Prepare for the worst, and see what Trump has to send... a guy I talked to today is happy with his ACA plan, but his premiums have doubled. Not everyone has the income he does to absorb that without having to downsize their rent or cut out meals.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Reply to: MsGrin
only solution to
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Reply to: MsGrin
only solution to
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
If the free market had a solution, it would have found one..
The typical market forces don't work when it comes to potential life/death questions. Further, the likeliness of needing insurance ultimately goes to 100% as time goes on. Our current system is also set up in such a way as to obfuscate costs, which benefits private interests.
The reality is that single payer is likely the only realistic to provide meaningful coverage for 100% of Americans. Getting the cost curve under control through a single 'risk' pool, lack of a profit motive, and stronger negotiating power are likely the only way to achieve this.
Look at major countries that have 'private' ins. Switzerland, higher gdp per capita, and their ins. companies are designated non-profits and are strictly regulated.
Medical Industry To Lose Life-support
[Cross-posted at DownWithTryanny]
I am native-born American, and I have medical insurance. But the growing expense of my fees and co-pays has limited how much I can use those services. Things have literally become a Hobson's Choice for me in determining what care I will seek anymore. If I were to pursue all the services I "should", I'd have no money to survive upon, and those who I support would end up selling the only real asset I have -my house- in order to cover living expenses. This is, of course, a self-defeating option, With no input and all outgo, eventually there is nothing remaining.
Considering the behavior and attitude of Republicans against those who aren't of the 1%, I have believed since Reagan that the medical industry was doomed. I am part-owner of a supplemental staffing registry which barely survived the loss of 50% of our client hospitals due to closure. Those which remain don't call nearly as often. I see this as a general condition of the medical industry as a whole.
Some doctors do see the writing on the wall. Some are attempting to do what they can, maybe if only to rescue themselves from the massive student loans which they struggle to settle. The others no longer see patients without medical coverage, or without good medical insurance. They can't dodge the question forever, as the Republicans are after their remaining income streams, and those who can afford their services dwindle in number.
The "coverage" one of my sons has is a perfect case in point. They pay for a "hotline" staffed by nurses, and will pay for the more common generic prescription drugs. And nothing else. No doctors, no hospitalization.
I can't come up with a curse vile enough to condemn Republicans who are out to kill off the poor any way they can just so they can have a few more pieces of paper which claim to bear some intrinsic value. The closest I can come is that they discover that their Deity is as harsh and cruel toward them as they demand it be to those they disdain.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
Healthcare for all is not the point here.
This is about insurance companies getting their grubby fingers in everyone's pocket. "Universal issue" will make everyone's premiums go down, will be the claim. It's all those selfish refuseniks not paying into the pool who are driving up costs for everyone else, will be the line. Minority caucuses will be bought off with promises of jobs, nice, well paid office jobs, in insurance companies for "your people". The big T will make the drug companies lower some prices so he can appear to be looking out for us all.
Thought experiment: ask a libertarian friend how come a person who drives 3,000 miles a year and has not had a moving violation since 1970 has to pay auto insurance. Watch how fast the libertarian runs away from "personal liberty" when it is suggested to him that he ought not to be piggybacking on the good behavior of others.
neoconned, where I live in upstate NY, a seriously depressed area, nearly all medical offices are taking cash payments as a matter of course, because there are so many uninsured here.
Mary Bennett
Reply to: Nastarana: You don't need a doctor.
Stop patronizing them. They will kill you. They'll prescribe drugs until you become addicted, give you dogma for advice and send you on your way. They only thing America is good at is trauma , anything else you're better off on your own.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
Reply to: the_poorly_educated
this is just a silly thing to say. it may be true that america's allopathic medical culture is not doing us a lot of favors with certain overprescribed drugs (e.g. statins and anti-depressants) or hyperbolic responses to a "bad" PSA test, but the larger reality is that if
a. you have serious bacterial pneumonia you are probably going to die, unless you get a prescription (from a doctor) for antibiotics, and recover promptly;
b. you sustain any significant degree of physical injury (badly fractured bones, internal bleeding, internal organ damage) you are likely to either die or be maimed for life -- unless a surgeon stitches you back together;
c. you have any of several forms of leukemia, you are almost certainly going to die, unless you receive a bone marrow transplant
d. you have bacterial venereal disease, you are going to be miserable and uncomfortable, and face possible death -- unless you get antibiotics from a doctor.
e. you have AIDS, you are going to die, unless you can obtain the necessary anti-retroviral medications to keep the retrovirus at bay.
f. you have Type I diabetes, you are going to die -- a long, slow, and exceedingly unpleasant death -- unless you obtain insulin from a doctor.
g. you are born 5 weeks premature, you are either going to die or endure a lifetime of health problems (including probable cognitive problems), unless you are kept under the round-the-clock supervision of a team of NICU nurses equipped with a startling array of very expensive gear.
etc
etc
etc
i am unimpressed with the you-don't-need-a-doctor attitude from people who have simply been fortunate enough in their lives to have never needed a doctor. i have several friends and family members who would have died long ago without the timely availability of modern american medical care.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Sometimes people do need a doctor
I agree that many people overuse doctors and this can be dangerous, with overprescribing of drugs and tests, but it's definitely overstating the case to tell anyone "you don't need a doctor" especially without knowing their personal health issues or situation. Sometimes we do need them. It's important to be an educated health services consumer, and ask questions and think for yourself, but not a good idea to simply write off all health services and doctors.
Reply to: the_poorly_educated
I agree with you so far as non emergency situations are concerned. I have not consulted an MD for anything other than teeth and eyes since the late 90s, and I used $store reading glassed for years. I am blessed to have no chronic health problems so far.
What I don't need is insurance companies imposing their private taxation scheme on me.
Mary Bennett
My drug "holiday" has ended. Very puffy, no socks.
And maybe 10lb water gain? Stay-Puft is me. Double dose of dieuretic (screw spelling) today. High Na food. Salt is life. So is water. Must find my balance. 3 of 3 toilets now functional. Corelle explosion in a vacuum and dog licked blood off the floor, little vampire.;-) Plumber coming.
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I realize that sounds like code. It is not, NSA.
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