What's the Message, Mr. Gardiner?

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Lately I've been binge-watching Galavant. If you haven't yet experienced this show, go find it on Netflix at your earliest convenience because it's freaking hysterical.

When's the last time a TV series described itself as "a real butt-clencher?"

Disney has been in an interesting mood lately, critiquing its own "fairy-tale cliches" while deploying them. I'm a real sucker for this kind of meta play, because I like all sorts of stories, including the extremely familiar narrative structures that one finds in fairy tales, folktales, and myths. But I don't like to be swallowed in those stories and just coast along like a bit of flotsam in the wake of a ship. I know that a lot of rotten ideas and outmoded assumptions can hide in the nooks and crannies of even my favorite stories. (For instance, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, like its source material, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, basically replays the capitalist myth of the virtuous poor boy who rises to being one of the owners BECAUSE he is virtuous and passes the owner's morality test. In other words, if you're good enough the bosses will notice and promote you until you become one of them). I'm very critical of that myth, and rightfully so, I think, but I love the story. What to do?

Early on in my life I realized that if I rejected all the stories that contained bad ideas or outmoded assumptions I'd have mighty slim pickings to read, watch, or listen to (because the same goes for pop and rock music). The extremely imperfect and highly impure path I chose was to continue watching, reading, and listening to whatever I wanted but with part of my attention on the messaging I was being given. In fact, that's the origin of What's the Message, Mr. Gardiner.

I first struggled with this problem as a feminist, because I was a teenaged girl in the 80s, and there was a lot of sexism about. Not only was there the ordinary sexist background noise of the culture but also a full-scale reactionary backlash against the feminism of the late 60s and 70s. A lot of the writing, movies, tv shows and music I watched was chock full of the sexism I objected to. But I didn't want to end up listening to nothing but this:

Yes, I know what's wrong with being a feminist and deciding it's OK to watch James Bond movies and listen to Led Zeppelin, as long as you watch and listen in the right way. It's like continuing to drive but only if it's a hybrid car or eating meat as long as it's less frequently and locally pasture-raised. But the problem is that when you reject everything that has a bad idea in it, you end up like this:

http://www.gocomics.com/bloomcounty/2012/07/19

Watching things on more than one level allows me to enjoy stories and art without mindlessly absorbing all their messaging. I mindlessly absorb some of the messaging, yes, but that's a small price to pay for being able to read, watch and listen to whatever I want. When there is meta play in stories and art it's as if the authors, producers, composers KNOW that their audience is responding in exactly that way, and they're encouraging it.

Disney has been deeply into this way of writing of late. Their series Once is pretty explicitly about being both inside and outside of a fairy tale at once, and spends most of its time dismantling fairy-tale assumptions to see what's underneath--and then immediately rebuilding them again, but with a difference. Ten years ago, their film Enchanted did the same thing, albeit more simply.

Galavant is so packed with meta that the constant spoofs, send-ups and critiques would overwhelm the story if the characters weren't so likeable and engaging,

and if there weren't, at the heart of the show, an actual, serious hero's journey with a couple of serious points being made: one about masculinity:

and one about the nature of evil. Disney is very much into promoting an "evil is made not born" anti-essentialist moral ideology right now; just as the "evil queen" and pretty much every other evil character in Once is evil because of choices they made, usually under pressure, and thus they can all also choose, at any moment, to become good, almost every villain in Galavant gets humanized:

If you see only one episode of Galavant, it must be "Aw, Hell, the King." The lyrics to one of the songs in that episode "Build a New Tomorrow" brought down ABC's censors on the writers. They changed the lyrics, but still managed to skewer American democracy right in its soft, corrupt underbelly. I'm convinced this is the episode that got the series cancelled, because--well, look at this:

You can't critique democracy, the Iraq War and marriage in one episode without raising some eyebrows, even if you have toned it down for the censors.

I love this show.

Even if you don't like musicals, give it a whirl. You'll be glad you did.

Sadly, there are only two seasons, but I hope Alan Mencken convinces Disney to bring it to Broadway. I'd actually save money to go see that.

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mimi's picture

some fun

Die Social-Media-Beiträge von Barack Obama sollen nach seinem Amtswechsel erhalten bleiben (Snapchat lernt er noch) = The social media posts from Barack Obama shall be kept after the transition (Snapshot he is still learning).
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I too enjoy storytelling that contains a simultaneous critique of the story. It's usually a sly and amusing technique. It tends to heighten awareness or make one more self-aware of one's consumption, acceptance, and so involvement in a particular narrative.

Did I say it's enjoyable on a basic level?-----Tends to just plain make me smile. I have not heard of Galvant but now I do want to check it out. Thanks!

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With everything that's wrong with DisneyCorp, they've never entirely abandoned their original business idea, which is to sell fun, and it seems they've never endorsed the notion that you should sell people non-fun, pretend it is fun, and ignore the dead silences and lack of enthusiasm from your customers/audience/supporters. Which is a business idea that is more prevalent than you might think--used by both Vincent Kennedy McMahon of World Wrestling Federation fame and the Democratic party.

From Beauty and the Beast forward, Disney actually tried to suss out what would make people of my generation smile, and they figured out that Gen-Xers like meta, criticism, irony, elbows-in-the-ribs and lots of spoofing.

After all, we invented this:

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Starting to warm here. We'll hit the 60's with some drizzle today.
I'll try out Galavant...thanks for the tip.

I'll recommend a couple of netflix documentaries -
Dirty Wars (about our dirty wars),
13th (about the amendment and the prison pipeline),
and Noam's Requiem for the American Dream

All the best to all of you...

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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It was good.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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from Michelle Obama.... according to German Newpaper's article in "Die Zeit online". Well, if you happen to understand and read German....
Durch die linke oder die rechte Tür? - Eine Kolumne von Mely Kiyak (Throught the right or through the left door?)
Man, I can't learn anything from both of them. How about going through the middle main entrance? Or just stay outside and don;t go at all?

Done.

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It's 62 here with a forecast of 80 as a high and a possibility of rain. We can use the rain so I hope it does materialize. Some of my baby plants didn't survive our freezing temperatures of last week. We have had pretty widely fluctuations in our temperatures here from the 20's to the 80's.

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It's been cold here, but yesterday, it warmed up a bit. It's supposed to hit 60 today in ABQ but a storm is coming our way and supposed to be with us for the 3-day weekend. We'll see how it pans out - we need the moisture!

Have a beautiful day, everyone! Pleasantry

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

Just a short note to recruit. The Tuesday and Saturday morning OTs are available. If anyone would like to volunteer, please contact me.

Cold as hell in Michigan. My husband gets his test results from his stress test today. There are "problems". My oldest grandson is leaving for Sweden this weekend to do a six-month internship with the Swedish Environmental Research Institute. So we are having him and his brother over tomorrow to watch Snowden and have dinner with us before goes. Baby left to go back to Michigan State last weekend.

Nice to have you and your OT back CStS.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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As more and more stuff gets put away around here, I'll be able to spend more time on C99, and hopefully actually be AROUND in the morning when my OT publishes.

We're getting there, but man! I never had a move like this. I guess b/c we're now unpacking all the stuff we were keeping in boxes "until we get forever home." Generally that stuff just gets shoved into a closet, attic, garage. Now I'm unpacking 40 boxes of books and putting them on shelves! Actually, it's kind of exciting.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

it is home sweet home.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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never knows.

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each episode is only about 23 minutes long.

Hope you get a chance to look at it!

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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over at TOP this am are critical of the Obama administration.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/01/11/1619231/-Democrats-Don-t-Show-U..., by Paul C

Criticizing the Dems for letting Sessions skate; but, goes on to list not going after Bush and Co for torture and more.

Earlier...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/01/11/1619267/-Obama-s-Legacy-Include... by mmankoff

Lists the many topics and problems President Obama could at least have used the bully pulpit.

Don't expect either one to get appreciative comments, but they are there so far. Things seem to be changing.

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settled into your new place. Moving can be fun, in that one can find things they didn't know they still had. It's been so warm this winter, that I forget a jacket that I bought in September, until I was looking for something else the other day. Don't often log in early enough to comment on early OT's, since my blogging day normally begins mid-afternoon, but, I enjoy reading your thread.

Mollie


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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.

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As for the move, it's both fun AND I'm longing for it to end, if that makes any sense.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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[video:https://youtu.be/czeArGe77lk]
Linguists have analysed Trump's speaking patterns. Have to look for that and will post it later.
[video:https://youtu.be/vFb-KvgZ1jc]
Can you still listen to all of it ? I can't. I just got caught by the first Trump clip in thie first video. It's hilarious how Trump behaves. He should become an actor and play himself. Arghh, I guess he is doing that already.

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As someone who has moved up and down the west coast from LA, SF to Portland I learned that the packing up and moving part is just the start. The first phase of the journey to your new home is exhausting and then the real work begins. If your now on the books your almost home. Our last move to our this is it house took 4 months to even put stuff away. It was a bargain for good reasons, so dirty it was scary. the first thing I did was rip off the plastic fake tiles from the 70's in the kitchen. When my kids came over to check it out my son just wandered through the rooms saying 'Major renovations mom'. Took a good 20 years to get it to where I come home and think 'What a great house I live in!'. Shah calls it our little burrow. Actually it's a huge drafty 110 year old money pit.

I have missed your voice here. I boycotted Disney when I became a mother. No Disney allowed. Yellow Submarine came out and I took all the kids I day cared in our neighbor hood to see it. I also restricted their TV watching. The Monkey's TV was okay Lol. My poor deprived children. I do like the old hand animated masterpieces like Dumbo, Bambi or Fantasia. Old Mickey's are fun but that's one scary mouse. I won a Disney scholarship to Chouinard art school on Saturday's when in high school. They taught me how to draw as the school was where Disney trained their animators. Later in life I worked and went to art school and studied under many Disney greats. A lot of my friends worked for Disney as go between's. I just don't like their message which they can't seem to stop regardless of the format or the directors. Spielberg being the creepiest to me. Although old Walt was a real piece of work.

I also would not my kids them eat junk food. My youngest moved to an apartment up the street from us in SF when he was 18. He invited me over and showed me his kitchen cupboards which were stocked with endless boxes of Captain Crunch, potato chips and Cheetos. They now as adults eat really healthy and abhor violent or propagandist manipulative crap Disney style movies. So maybe I did okay by being a 'crackpot' purist DFH Mom. 'Mom your such a crackpot' they used to say. As X'ers they bad mouth the Boomers but when I say 'what about the hippies? They make an exception 'the hippies are great it's the Ragun, Clinton selfish yuppies I'm talking about.'

I've been reading mysteries this crazy winter. My latest love is Georges Simenon. They reprinted all his Maigret mysteries and our library has them all. I just finished one called Maigret's Dead Man. A rip snorting Paris in the 40's gangster yarn. All of his great mysteries are humanistic and somehow remind me of Camus's writing only in mystery fictional form. I went to the library on Tuesday and stocked up on books and movies as here in Oregon we're having a 'epic' winter. This latest storm that is passing through dumped 15 inches of snow as of today. I also stocked up on food for the body as well as the mind and soul. See you next week I hope your moving chaos will by then have some kind of order and your new place will be home sweet home.

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