Saturday Open Thread 2/15/25: Odds and Ends

Good morning, good people! I hope anyone that's into celebrating Valentine's Day had a good one yesterday.

My secretary and I were treated to beautiful roses and ribbons. Thanks, Dear One, and she and I forgive you for your trespasses and give you a year's credit. The bouquets will beautify our desks for a while.

A song I loved when I was 15:

And when I was 13:

And then, the singer Mom loved, Dad hated:

And, when I was 14:(truly a misspent youth)

Sometime today, some hostages in Gaza will be released. Not sure how many prisoner will be released by the Israeli government. I am sure we will have some news to comment about.

Gawd only knows what Executive Order will be issued by Trump. He doesn't take Saturdays off. Power-hungry egomaniacs are workaholics.

Nevertheless, I applaud the closed border attempt for the safety of my community. We will be safer, alive, ready to fight the revolution, if and when necessary.

Well, when Saudi Arabia gets their fill of him, we will pay more for fuel, and that is the item you cannot store or hoard safely. Best I can do is fill up 10 or so gallons of gas in the barn for the lawnmower.

Israel is worth it, so some. Your guess as to whom.

And then, their is the "Munich Bloodbath", a commentary on JD Vance by the wonderfully knowledgeable Simplicious:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/munich-bloodbath-ruptures-western

Feel free to offer some names of profiteers, and anything you want to share.

This is an open thread. Your friends here want your thoughts, want to see what has come to your attention.

Thanks in advance for the info share, friends!

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Aside from the roses, I had doughnuts brought to me by a client.
I am good to go for coffee and doughnuts for days! Yummm!
What's up in your neck of the woods?
Please tell!

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We had a big rain midweek - 4.6". I prepped pretty well for it blowing leaves out of the ditches and weeps. Only had one area to wash, and pulled it back up the hill yesterday. Today we've got a misty drizzle, and tonight a squall line coming through.

Been taking advantage of winter to get small leaning dead trees pushed down on the ground to rot. We spent most of the day Friday fooling with that. Also got a carpentry job or two done this week as well, so a fairly productive week. I've been so busy this week I've not been around the c99 site very much.

I enjoyed the Hegseth, no to Ukraine in NATO, no to us troops, and no to more money speech this week. Vance was good with his free speech and election honesty statement as well. Europeans are having serious coping problems. I can't agree with everything they said, but the bit of honesty was refreshing to me, and devastating to most European countries. Larry Johnson compared it to your fiance telling you s/he decided to drop you.

Hope everyone is having a good weekend, and thanks for the OT!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout Can you imagine some city dweller buying rural property such as your holler, not knowing how to keep the place weather-proofed?
The house painting crew is stalled out due to rain and cold. The room builders all got sick for two weeks with a flu or some such, but I am in no hurry on the painting, and the room is non-essential, unlike a complete kitchen makeover that has me cooking with a microwave or crock pot for weeks, washing dishes in the bathroom sink, waiting for the contractor to recover from a heart attack.
I hope we pull out of NATO, continue relations with Russia, start on a path of cooperation with China.
I have zero hope that we will come to our senses and find our inner humanity over the genocide. If it isn't a way to steal land and treasure, it is a way to get Jeebus to visit. Dollar signs and crosses in your vision makes reasonable actions impossible to acheive.
Have a great weekend, hunker down for the weather events, enjoy all the beauty of your holler, dear friend!

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@on the cusp

If it isn't a way to steal land and treasure, it is a way to get Jeebus to visit. Dollar signs and crosses in your vision makes reasonable actions impossible to acheive.

Spot on. Well said!

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Twice bitten, permanently shy.

@usefewersyllables It's easy for me to see, as I do not suffer from the vision impairment described. It is apparent you are clear eyed as well
The urge to murder and steal gets great cover by religion. For many centuries.
Seen many Texas plates on ditch dwelling cars of late? I got a laugh outta that mention in one of your comments during the recent ice storm thingie.
Stay worm, enjoy your weekend, friend!

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donuts and roses
coffee and ribbons

thanks for sharing the old tunes!

attempting to finish a sheet rock hang job today
maybe mud some joints - make a little progress

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@QMS I do not consider today's popular music to even be music. Buddy Holly, Bob Wills, and all the pioneers of rhythm and blues are rolling in their graves. I proudly proclaim to have never heard a song by Taylor Swift. Shit like that is easily avoidable.
Sheet rock. Sounds like non-fun to me. Hope it is a quick job.
Take your boom box to entertain you!
We are gonna dine out for lunch, do a quick shop at a lumber yard, maybe some groceries, then it is a return home to our little paradise.
Enjoy your weekend, my dear friend!

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when I was 11. Your music section inspired me.

I had a good Valentine's Day. The ongoing climate crisis is making it Endless Summer down here though. Sad Rec'd!!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

@orlbucfan It warmed up today, but will freeze a couple of days in the upcoming week. Of course, rain and more rain. The weather gods don't won't to see my home get painted or the additional room to my home completed.
How many times did I dance around the room to "Stay"? Lots?
Glad you had fun with the music. Our childhood was a great time compared to now.
Thanks for coming by, and I hope you stay!

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Lots of snow fell last night and the trees are coated with it, but starting to dump the load. Sam is going to be so excited to be able to run and play in it today.

I’m looking out the window and seeing the trees just absolutely blanketed in snow with clouds and blue sky in the background.

It’s finally winter in Utah. I don’t remember a time when we didn’t have snow until late February. Darn I wish I still skied. Ahh well. I have my memories of days past when I burned up the slopes. My uncle was on ski patrol and he picked up me and my brother and we were first on the lift and last off. Tickets were just $8. But he gifted us passes. We spent our weekly allowance on junk food for lunch.

Hey…here comes the sun.

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@snoopydawg Get my client out their to romp and play before the snow melts!
Glad you had your ski times. Wish we had a beautiful landscape of snow here. Thing is, you and those in your part of the great country called Trumpistan, admire snow, look forward to its' beauty and the uptick in profits from tourism and outdoor sports activities. Here, snow is dangerous, dreaded, as it shuts down schools, stores, electric grid, is treated as an emergency. Well, it is an emergency.
We will have a fun adventure shopping for a new kitchen sink. I dare ya to top that, Missy!
Let us know what is up on X today. It's always something!
Have a great time with my favorite client this weekend, chica!

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@on the cusp
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in a 'seconds' display outside the local homo depo
$40 instead of retail $240 (had a chip on a corner)
porcelain with two wells. A good buy. Had a friend
gelcoat the chip for a 12 pack of beer. There are ways.
Good luck!

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@QMS re-sale store about 35 miles away. The volunteer builders do renovations, save all parts and materials they can. I have friends who bought their commodes, sinks, faucets, for pennies on the dollar.
A friend from the 80s would come over to visit my late husband, and enjoy beers and chats while he installed windows and doors.
A fun end around!

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@on the cusp

Got out of the car and just ran and ran and ran. And then her best friend ever showed up and they played and played and ran some more. When she got tired or too hot she’d plop down in the snow and do the doggy wriggle. Happy, happy dawg.

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@snoopydawg of the day!

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We skipped farmers' market which is just as well. I haven't checked yet, but the military summary channel looks to have some significant news.

be well and have a sood one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@enhydra lutris Russia is kicking ass in some key villages, should be raising their flag in 2 or 3 days. They are also pushing towards the Kneiper river. Looking at the maps the channel provides, that is a long, long battle front. No way Kiev has enough troops for the many skirmish sites. And why would their soldiers give a shit about being slaughtered after finding out the US has dumped them, and Europe can supply 25k troops, at most.Well, sorry you are feeling a bit off. Dear One and I cancelled out our faucet finding shopping today because he just isn't up to it.
So, my medical advice: Watch and listen to the 5 minute song with visuals that is at the very bottom of the Simplicious article I linked. If that doesn't make you feel better, I will give up my imaginary medical license. Anyway, the song is the genre of music what I heard in Russia. The visuals are the monuments, cities, forests, rivers, the beautiful people and and their culture.
Get to feeling better, dear friend.

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@on the cusp

Ukraine has lost over a million men either killed or disabled and for what? Everyone knows that there is no way Ukraine can win this war so why keep throwing people away in it?

Aargh! Lindsay needs to keep his mouth shut.

Republican US Senator Lindsey Graham showered praise on Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky at this year’s annual Munich Security Conference, declaring him to be the ally he had always dreamed of and lauding that the fight with Russia had not cost American lives.

The war-hawk senator made the remarks on Friday during a panel discussion at the Munich Security Conference. Speaking alongside Zelensky, Graham admitted the conflict between Moscow and Kiev was a proxy war fought by Kiev on Washington’s behalf, and praised Zelensky’s role in the continuing bloodshed.

“I want to tell you and your people you’re the ally I've been hoping for all my life. Not one American has died defending Ukraine,” Graham proclaimed, adding that Kiev had taken “our weapons” and purportedly “kicked [Russia’s] ass.”

“I’m very proud to have you as our ally,” he stressed.

Russian ass has not been kicked you ***wipe! Its military is stronger and better trained than before the war and they have made huge advances in their weapons. And their economy is doing much better than ours is. And he damn well knows that.

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@snoopydawg correction, chica.
I cannot imagine bragging to a president's face that they were a dream ally who's mass military deaths kept every one my my country's soldiers alive. You go, Z Boy!
The cruel bastard didn't stutter when he spoke about kicking Russia's ass. So the question becomes, is he that proficient at lying, or is he a nut?

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@on the cusp
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watching uncle Sammy being led by the nose ring
by the likes of nutty yahoo and the penis piano player
is embarrassing.

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@QMS and ashamed of my government. It is past time for an overhaul.

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here's the relevant video:

I would like to recommend a Congressional bill wherein, if it were to pass, everyone who voted for an Israel weapons bill during the genocide period would be kidnapped, tied down, and the words "genocide supporter" be forcibly tattooed onto their foreheads before they would be set free. Oh, sure, it wouldn't pass. But it would be far less violent than anything the Party itself did. Floor debate on this bill would be delicious.

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"The Democratic Party has been focused too much on pleasing people who matter too little in this society." -- Chris Cuomo

@Cassiodorus For anyone with little time, Sabby makes her point by the 8 minute mark. I stayed with it to watch Bernie make a fool of himself. I have ignored him since 2016, so had not seen his cringe-worthy pressers since then.
We do need a new party, but it would have to be popular enough to elect sufficient reps and senators to make it work. The poors and working class cannot make the campaign contributions necessary to get on the ballots and on the debate floors. Still, we should keep trying to break up the uniparty oligarchy.
Have a great weekend, friend!

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@on the cusp

We do need a new party, but it would have to be popular enough to elect sufficient reps and senators to make it work. The poors and working class cannot make the campaign contributions necessary to get on the ballots and on the debate floors.

You've just described the active ingredient that can be found at the heart of every Western Democracy and in every Imaginary Western Empire. The people will never be able to afford to participate in a US-style democracy. It's even enshrined in the shamefully obsolete and humiliating US Constitution. We have the constitution to thank for our failed state and our increasingly horrendous reputation throughout the world. Unfortunately, I wasted my breath slounding that waring for most of my life. There was no one who could understand it.

There aren't a lot of intellectually honest people like you in the US, that make themselves known. It's a quality that is quite rare. People in the US are forced to play fast and loose with reality in order get along and survive. Same holds true in the UK and Australia, and Canada to some degree. These four nations, descendants of monarchy, are all geographically located on lands that are isolated from the rest of the world, like islands. Their populations are isolated from real world knowledge and self awareness — and they treasure their own isolation and incurious minds. These nations do not share borders with sane and sovereign nations (nor with any population they cannot effortlessly kill and bury if they have to). Their isolation turned them into sociopathic civilizations. One need only look at the wealthy, well-connected operatives that rule them to see the bigger picture.

On that note, isolated superpowers like the United States, focus most of their obsessive hatred and provocative aggressions against two comparatively peaceful super powers, that just so happen to maintain the highest number of shared borders with other sovereign nations. Russia shares a border with 14 different nations — and China shares a border with 16 independent nations, including Afghanistan, Korea, and Pakistan.

Both China and Russia are old civilizations with long diplomatic histories. They both maintain modern, largely defensive militaries, spending only a fraction of what the US spends on its offensive military build-up around the world. Neither China nor Russia send battleships to roam the world, provoking aggressive wars, interfering with free trade, destroying foreign infrastructures, killing civilians, and looting natural resources.

The world is moving on from the US, as it is. I don't believe the US can be reformed by a new election with different candidates. In my opinion, the people will need to go back and repair all the injustice and damage caused by democratically elected leaders. If Democracies are not held accountable, then they are a failure.

Thanks for an interesting thread. Stay warm and dry.

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@Pluto's Republic

with their own citizens as well as a few billion other bystanders
perhaps the neocon dream of a world war is already underway
global dominance by force is a fairly fruitless pursuit

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@Pluto's Republic I appreciate the atta girl. Thank you.
No democracy can work with $ interests having overwhelming influence. Period. Full stop.
I can see that majority rule might not be as highly functioning as dreamed about.
Example: 51% of a population want war, 49% want peace. That would be a disaster for any pure democracy.
How many people in the US believe our country is old? I would guess a huge majority, especially those who never got beyond our borders, except to fight in some foreign "war".
China wasn't historically universally hated, but Russia has been, no matter what they do to instill trust and common goals with others.
The US, safely isolated, could have focused on we, the people, since the beginning, but the dreams of having the vast lands and treasure gave them the idea of invincibility.
We would be a different country if the farm boys had not been drafted into the two World Wars.
I should have said something in the body of my essay about the last video at the end of the Simplicious article. The visuals make we stand in awe of Russia. Check it out.
Have a wonderful weekend and Monday holiday, chica!

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@Cassiodorus

And after the tattooing I would strip every person who has made money off defense stocks and take away anything they had bought with it.

What a sellout he has become.

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@snoopydawg some prison time would be a great deterrent for the future grifter wannabes.

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While the Indo-Pacific Commander sounds the alarm over China, the US has been in the process of expanding bases in the Ryukus, and the Philippines, and the US has encouraged Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan to increase their military forces, China is going to agree to halve their forces? LOL.

Remember when Trump withdrew from the JCPOA with Iran and the INF treaty with Russia? Treaty on open Skies? The New START Treaty is still in force until February 4, 2026. I'm sure Trump would like to bring China to the table with Russia; good luck with that.

Generally, the fate of Iraq and Libya after dismantling their nuclear weapons programs, is not a precedent to inspire trust. Similar observations might be made about Trump's "sometimes you gotta walk" stunt in Hanoi walking away from negotiations with North Korea.

Thanks for the O&E Onthecusp. Those tunes made an impression on me as a teenager. Mother was a Sinatra fan too. I remember hearing Strangers in the Night, and My Way, ad nauseum, on the transistor radio.

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語必忠信 行必正直

@soryang Some folks may have forgotten about Trump pulling out of the nuke reduction treaty, but not Putin. He has a great memory. I would mention Iran can't catch a break about potential nukes, no matter what they do.
Some of the must trusted experts in foreign policy that get it right on Ukraine, get it right on the ME, go bat shit crazy about China, meaning SK has to be sacrificed.
For the sake of your wife's family, and the rest of the globe, I wish for sanity about Taiwan and China to return, or be realized for the first time.
I will give my amateur opinion on the JDS vid later this evening, my friend.
Take good care!

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@on the cusp

They will never forget the 27 million Russians who died in the Great War nor will they forget that Germany sent tanks into Russia again. Nor will they go silently into the night while Bandera scum are still drawing breath in Ukraine.

John Helmer on the phone call between Trump and Putin.

https://johnhelmer.net/the-contradictions-and-certainties-in-the-trump-p...

There is no there in any peace treaty that they discussed. And Trump’s mouth is all over the map on what he will do.

No US troops in Ukraine unless he changes his mind and sends them there.

No nato for Ukraine unless he changes his mind. No nukes unless he changes his mind.

Helmer links to the US and Russian oligarchs. I read it in the past, but of course I forgot what he said. I’ll read it again.

The only thing that came from the phone call was that T and Putin spoke. That’s more than what Biden did. But it’s still gotta long way to go.

Good read. I don’t agree with everything he says, but….

Also too…one reason why Trump wants to end the Ukraine war is so he can focus on China. Hegseth admitted that in one of his speeches.

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@snoopydawg Helmer sees Putin as possibly betraying China. NO WAY Putin will fracture the ties with China.

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@on the cusp

Like I said I don’t agree with everything he says. And boy does he love to put down people like the judge and Johnson. They aren’t Putin apologists or fanatics.

lol…

Reminds me of Safe and Effective. . Saying it over and over doesn’t make it true.

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@snoopydawg the Ukraine will win trope. Shows propagandists are poor at looking properly into crystal balls.

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@on the cusp

that the owners give them. It’s been years since the video of the Sinclair news shows all parroted the same narrative that exposed how they were nothing but propaganda deliveres.

Rachel ranted about Trump giving Musk $400 million for military cyber trucks only to find out that it was Biden who did that.
I think she’s well over paid. Even after she took a $5 million haircut.

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@snoopydawg she started out on Air America, went downhill from there.
She is worth nothing, and should donate her wealth to a charity for Palestinians. But, that's just me.

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Will she tell her audience that she got that wrong? Place your bets.

I liked Rachel when she was on air America and she was anti war. Dunno how much money it’d take for me to sell out my principles, but maybe $30 million a year would do it?
How many years has it been since she has taken that much money? 10 years would be $300 million minus taxes. Hmmm. Something I should think about.

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@snoopydawg for outing yourself before the entire globe as being a lying hypocrite, propagandist whore? hmmm...maybe....

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@on the cusp

I dunno how much work I would put into selling my message. I’d probably give myself enough leeway to let people know that I was only doing it for the money which means I’d only last one year. But hey, $30 million would last me for a lifetime.
Especially when it came to making excuses for America’s war crimes.

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@soryang got off several good jokes!
Cutting half the military budget on both sides is nuts, since we would still be at 5 or 6 times higher in our budget spending. Layoffs at Raytheon would not be a good look for Trump.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

with a Brit journo, Ian Putting, The "Smartest Man in London". Ian gave his opinions about the GB reaction to the JD Vance Munich speech, and Trump's presidency in general. Great stuff, all the way through, and even the 5 minute Banksy story at the conclusion.
(56 minutes)

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@on the cusp
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Zelensky controlling Europe
but nazis do tend toward domination
thanks for the video

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@QMS Original or Neo. If we could ask Mussolini or Hitler, they might suggest "Shit in one hand, wish in the other, and see which one fills up first."
IMHO, the fascist country of the world is the US.

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@on the cusp

Propaganda causes a lot of serious brain damage. Lot's of casualties in Europe, after they got an unexpected glimpse of reality.

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@Pluto's Republic @Pluto's Republic fast-paced current events.
Spending so much of their time, effort, and resources from what propaganda "informs" them is really being revealed.

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Musk and his innovations have been generously supported by the government for 10 years, starting with the Obama administration ...
https://fee.org/articles/does-obama-deserve-credit-for-elon-musk-s-space...

Also …

No government contract has been awarded to Tesla or any other auto manufacturer to produce armored EVs, a State Department spokesperson said in a statement. The solicitation, which was first made during the Biden administration, has been put on hold and there are no current plans to issue it, the spokesperson said.
https://fortune.com/2025/02/13/plans-buy-armored-teslas-vanish-state-dep...

And ...

The Biden administration had tasked the State Department to gather information from potential suppliers to buy these vehicles in September.
https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-tesla-biden-federal-contract-electr...

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