Wow! "Influence Effort Was Boldest Yet"
Hi all. I took the time to read the "Unclassified version of intelligence report on Russian hacking during the 2016 election", so I'll give you my little report report. Let's begin.
Page 1 is the cover graphic. Nice seals. Round....Authoritative.
Pages 2 &3 explain some terminology used within and goes on with a virtual word-salad of disclaimers of the analytic process and determining attribution. All this is needed to explain an assessment which is based on these primary areas of information - what anyone can access on the internet or t.v., and on the perceived patterns of behavior of state agents by state agents. But I'm getting ahead of myself here.
4 – Title page, another round seal, nice color-muted graphic, disclaimer at the top:
“This report is a declassified version of a highly classified assessment; its conclusions are identical to those in the highly classified assessment but this version does not include the full supporting information on key elements of the influence campaign”
Or maybe no supporting information at all?
5 – Intentionally left blank, except for that disclaimer that’s at the top of every damn page from 4 to the end.
6 & 7 are the “key judgements”, a summary of what is in the actual report below.
8, 9 & 10 have a table of contents, a blank area, another cool graphic, some more blank area.
Pages 11 through 15 contain the actual report, all 4 [edit:5 actually, seemed like 4 that I'd read before] pages of it, containing all of the claims that are assessed in the assessment, with no actual data or names to corroborate the claims, a lot of “high confidence” and “most likely” (terms covered in the intro and again in the review near the end of the release) applied to a few very unsurprising claims about what Putin and many Russian officials felt was in their best interests, like:
“We assess Putin, his advisers, and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump over Secretary Clinton.”
Nice accurate job of assessment, I’d say, though impressed I'm not.
And of course, the cyber-espionage we all have hear about and expect from intelligence agencies here, there, and everywhere, and still, no data, specifics or names other than Putin and Julian Assange. Heavy on “government-linked actors” though.
I was not at all surprised to find that Putin shares my dislike of Hillary Clinton, but this was new to me - “Russian intelligence accessed elements of multiple state or local electoral boards.” That however, got no more specific than to mention that they were not involved in vote tallying. This is one thing we should know more about, but…..
Then comes the use of media releases and online trolls, all of which we’re all quite aware and all of which has been regularly and/or recently used by many political campaigns (can you name one?) and intelligence agencies (and every major business interest) right here in the US. Oh, and we must know that this “Influence Effort Was Boldest Yet”. Yep, SOP both for the expected propaganda campaign and for this report’s “assessment” of it.
Almost to illustrate how mundane this report is, there’s this statement, bullet-pointed, which couldn’t possibly strike anyone who’s been around for more than a few years as a surprising revelation:
“During the Cold War, the Soviet Union used intelligence officers, influence agents, forgeries, and press placements to disparage candidates perceived as hostile to the Kremlin, according to a former KGB archivist.”
Yawn. I'm old enough I could’a told you that!
Pages 16 through 22 is an "annex" of media programs, mainly of RT, and describes their close ties to the Russian state (did you know RT stands for Russian Television?….Wow!), and the social media used by RT staff, such as YouTube, Twitter, Facebook. Here the report does name names, likely because here, it just doesn’t matter. It's media, and media gets to lie as it pleases. Fox News got that settled by a US court years ago. We all should know that.
Pages 23 through 23 review the “estimative language” that was explained at length in the first section. It does contain what may be the most significant disclaimer of the report, and a general description of the process of intelligence "assessments":
"Judgements are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact. Assessments are based on collected information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as well as logic, argumentation, and precedents"
Pages 24 through 25 are intentionally left blank and closing graphics.
Done. That’s it, folks!
Comments
All that matters, or is true,
is redacted or classified.
Therefore: Nothing matters or is true.
Speculation will have a heyday. Bullshit will abound.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Please use present tense
Very nice observation.
Thanks.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Ah yeah, all those disclaimers
from an administration known for parsing legalese. And we're so stupid we'll swallow it with all the authoritative graphics and such. Sounds like a real good snow job and sadly, a lot of younger people won't remember that both sides did the same crap during the Cold War. Meant for current consumption, older generations who might remember differently could be Russian moles too... I read the headline from NYT today and fought down the momentary panic at what they're doing with this and the scary fact that far too many will buy into it. I might have been one without the other place and ultimately this one, hard to say. That panic reflex is a trained thing too, I know that, but in this instance I can't help but feel that's almost healthy. Thank you for reading it so I didn't have to even try!
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Who is this "we'll" you speak of?
Nope. Not I. And don't get me started on the youth.
You might be surprised at how much the youth know.
I remember somebody who said they weren't involved. They weren't reliable voters. They were going to hell where the boys are.
They, not so much my generation, know what's coming as a whole.
They can see how corrupt the system is.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
I should have put that better,
by "young" I mean the 30-40 something Hillbot types, not meaning at all to denigrate the younger, internet savvy. And "we'll" meant basically that cohort too. Some Trumpers might believe that Russian mess, the older ones addicted to Cold War fears undoubtedly. I was responding more to the diarist there about the ones who remember, I meant the ones paying attention, basically anyone on this site and smart enough not to buy into the MSM. The part I worry about is those Hillbots with just enough "power" and willful ignorance to swing this country into war again, them I meant to denigrate.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
No harm done or implied.
What I wished to highlight was, many have false impressions of what is really happening. But not all. When we mark a whole demographic as being a certain way, we feed into the impression. It's what "they" want.
See how that works?
I too catch myself when I use the word "everybody". It's vague when finding a fault, belief, habit or excuse. Now, if I hope everybody does well, there's no question I mean everybody.
Peace to everybody.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
I thought that the younger
groups went for Bernie anyway.
dfarrah
Everyone loves to hate GenX.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
well, yeah, but only cuz you, like, totally suck.
signed,
all the rest of us.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
What's funny here is that
I'm not sure this is snark. Heh.
It's interesting to have been a child while we still had a republic, if a stained one; to have been a teenager and a young adult while the transition to an oligarchic police state occurred; and to have entered my prime with the advent of said police state.
As I said in my other comment, we had a window to influence things--roughly 1986-1994--but it wasn't much of a window.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Every generation has heros and sellouts.
Younger voters as a group do give me hope. The whole I-want-mine-screw-everyone-else that was popularized by the Reaganic crowd is being replaced by the recognition that we all must share this Earth peacefully if we want to survive.
One of the great strengths of the Bernie movement was that he attracted both younger people and aging 'hippies'. Faces in Bernie crowds were from all generations. Younger people have energy and staying power to keep the movement going. 'Hippies' have historical knowledge and experience. A lot of the older Bernie followers have useful educational backgrounds, historical memory, and/or organizing experience. (Being called a 'hippie' amuses me; I have never even smoked pot-although I am in favor of legalization.)
We are going to need everyone to work together in this fight. If we do, there are a lot more of Us. We just need to help the rest of the 99% realize that they are Us no matter what generation they are from.
Being called a Bernie Bro makes me feel young again! .. n/t
With their hearts they turned to each others heart for refuge
In troubled years that came before the deluge
*Jackson Browne, 1974, Before the Deluge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SX-HFcSIoU
I guess if younger people want to hate us for
the years 1988-1996, that would make sense.
Most GenXers couldn't vote before 1988. A few of us were able to vote in 86, but only the oldest of our generation. And by 2000, it was all over as far as influencing American politics via the electoral process was concerned. Actually, I think it was over by 1994, when the Clintons had solidified their hold (aka death grip) on the Democratic party and Newt Gingrich drove the Republican party rightward into insanity. Once that happened, it was all over for traditional politics in this country, though we didn't know it.
I guess it would have been nice if we'd hit the ground running when we turned 18 and kept the country from becoming an oligarchical police state before we turned thirty, but that was beyond us.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Ayep.
Lies, misdirections, and mistruths, and not just on this topic....
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Add another shovelful to the pile.
So much horseshit.
Sometimes all it takes is one person's story to start a revolution, and they make sure that all the real news is buried under their lies.
They're well aware of what they're doing. While we talk about their lies, they have been laying the groundwork to ensure the only thing that we will ever hear from this time forth is lies.
It's a red herring, in the classic sense of the allegory. Meant to get us off the scent of what we SHOULD be looking at.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I don't get why
people don't seem to realize that this is all part of an effort to install HRC as president.
Am I being ridiculously suspicious, or does anyone else out there think that this is a coup in progress?
dfarrah
If they try *that, now*,
there WILL BE a Second Civil War.
I. am. not. kidding.
The established forms of government will take only so much bashing and battering before they crumble - and they're very badly battered already.
Earth to Hillary: You. Lost. Go. Away.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
This dog
don't hunt.....that way.
Not going off scent. Track it. It's easy.
Smells like bullshit.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
I also read through the document.
What a steaming pile of crap. It was made very obvious when they basically stated up from that it's very hard to determine who the hackers were and that they couldn't share any actual evidence (even things that were long in the past and would have no bearing on the reason they said they couldn't provide evidence). The part on RT was filled with some "hilarious" gems though. I picked out my two "favorites":
“In an effort to highlight the alleged "lack of democracy" in the United States, RTbroadcast, hosted, and advertised third-party candidate debates and ran reporting supportive of the political agenda of these candidates.The RT hosts asserted that the US two-party system does not represent the views of at least one-third of the population and is a "sham."”
53% of registered voters are D or R, so saying these parties don't represent the views of at least 1/3 of the population seems pretty obvious to anyone who isn't a moron (which clearly doesn't include whoever wrote this report). Even people who don't think the system is a sham can agree if they can do basic arithmetic.
"RT has also focused on criticism of the US economic system, US currency policy, alleged Wall Street greed, and the US national debt. Some of RT's hosts have compared the United States to Imperial Rome and have predicted that government corruption and "corporate greed" will lead to US financial collapse (RT, 31 October, 4 November)."
Bolding mine. Alleged. ALLEGED. Honestly, if this is the best any of these agencies can do, they should just be completely disbanded. They can't even make marginally convincing propaganda.
Apparently anybody who isn't fascinated...
with celebrity news and the latest must have gadgets is plotting the downfall of America.
When did we give the keys to the MIC to Madison Avenue?
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
ALLEGED indeed.
lying, manipulative... Just wow. Just reading the bits you've put out here and my anger is rising. That's why I just don't read their tripe anymore, scares the cats when I yell like that.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Bulking up
Other than the few pages reiterating the unproven claims we've heard ad-nauseum for weeks now about hacks into the DNC (which is the ONLY illegal act alleged, and that we should have concern with), and which by the way, if that's what happened, is NOT a hack into any agency of the US government (just try to tell DNC officials and Hill-bots that fact!), this report simply bulks up the same old claims with lots of unexciting, uninformative, petulant belly-aching about having to compete in what any cognizant person can see is a media-based (MSM, alt, social...all media) debate about the present state of our commodified and corrupt, morally-bankrupt American political system.
It's a debate we should be having, preferably without need for RT's help, and especially not Putin's, but if that's the only way it gets some light shed on it, it's better than none at all.
"If I sit silently, I have sinned." - Mossadegh
The report
was heavily padded. Lots of filler and no real nutrition. A true nothingburger.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
"did you know RT stands for Russian Television?"
No way! Next you're going to tell me that ABC stands for the American Broadcast Company!
And if Trump ever manages to "restructure" the CIA, he will earn a large measure of respect from me...if he manages to eliminate it, he would be my hero.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
And don't forget VOA - Voice of America
If you really want to hear some world wide broadcasting of American propaganda, VOA is the place to go!
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
I somehow missed that section of the report.
What page was that on?
"If I sit silently, I have sinned." - Mossadegh
and HuffPo obligingly reports it: "Putin Ordered Hack"
almost funny. I wonder if they believe it or if they think others will believe it.
Are you talking about
The Huffington Compost?
A more appropriate name.
HuffComPost.
I'd rather huffpaint.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
PBS Newshour, too.
Talking point du jour.
"If I sit silently, I have sinned." - Mossadegh
So based on Trump's reaction
They briefed him on all the dirt they had on himself or others that would make the biggest impression.
Alas, a third type of journalism comes to politics
No, I am not talking about Kim Kardashian's ass nor how ravishing Celeb X in a sheer see-through dress.
There now is:
1. Real news based on the "truth" (defined as things that actually happened)
2. Fake News which has been around for millennia but now is exposed for what it really is, propaganda, for all to see
3. The new category outlined nicely by jorogo: Non-news. It is easier to give an example than to explain it:
.
What's the flip side of "Trust, but verify"?
"If I sit silently, I have sinned." - Mossadegh
Heh.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
"During the cold war..."
Ha. During the cold war, getting the endorsement, or any support from the commies would be the kiss of death for a candidate. They nevertheless felt the need to bring this up without mentioning the far more common fact:
If Kremlin really hated a candidate
they could have sent Boris & Natasha to be seen in their company . I imagine that's all it would take for the rumors to start.
Now interviewing signature candidates. Apply within.
Dick Nixon got his start trashing Helen Gahagan Douglas
with smears and insinuations which the California public were gullible enough to believe.
Her husband's (Melvyn Douglas) film career was collateral damage.
Not that Nixon gave a fart how many lives he ruined, as long as he could keep failing upward.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Did they mention ...
that the entire assessment of the DNC hack is based on a report by Crowdstrike, a company owned by a Russian-American who hates Russia with a passion and has been a Hillary Clinton consultant since 2010?
And that the FBI was refused permission to examine the DNC server (what was DNC hiding?) and that's why FBI had to be strong-armed into supporting the hacking claims?
No, but you have to understand.....
there were only 25 pages, the psyop's determined maximum length of reading comprehension and attention span for anyone with the alternative of access to the TeeVee news, and with all the official seals, disclaimers and intentionally left blank pages, there was just no room left!
Sarcasm aside, what I'm saying is... those facts mattered to them less, or damaged their case more, than leaving pages intentionally blank in a report. We are truly down the rabbit hole!
"If I sit silently, I have sinned." - Mossadegh
But the seals look so official and all, especially on TV
in the 30-second "fake news" bites used to persuade Western European mass audiences who don't pay close attention to U.S. politics.