Be happy for coal miners losing their health insurance. - Kos
I haven't read this book, but the image is too perfect...
I know, I know, who gives a shit what happens at TOP, but sometimes, just sometimes, things happen over there like Dallasdoc's wonderful diary, and I love to read the comments to see what is on people's minds... for better or worse.
Personally, I am currently on a 1 year timeout for various reasons it would seem, primarily being I couldn't stop going into the "StrongerWithHer" diaries and telling people to get over their feefees and stop this bullshit (paraphrasing of course). I might have thrown in a Hillary sucks or two, but hey, she does.
Today, however, we have the Great Orange Leader coming with this utter and total piece-of-shit: Be happy for coal miners losing their health insurance. They're getting exactly what they voted for. I had so much to say about this, and how it reflects the current mindframe of the modern Democratic Party, and how with this thinking, will lead us to yet more electoral loses in 2018 and beyond... but in the end, all I really want to say is the following:
GO FUCK YOURSELF KOS, YOU UNFEELING ASSHOLE. YOU ARE NOT A DEMOCRAT, YOU ARE NOT A PROGRESSIVE, AND YOU ARE AN AMORAL BASTARD. A FUCKING LIMOUSINE LIBERAL IF I'VE EVER FUCKING SEEN ONE. TAKE THE CLINTONS AND GO THE FUCK AWAY PLEASE.
There. My apologies for the French, but it needed to be said.
Peace.
Comments
Dam yokels!
Markos Moulitsas at work.
Progressive to the bone.
Nah, he's Smithers, up front driving. ;-D
BBB wants the sub-humans [workers] replaced with robots
it's too weird over there.
There are some real POS Neoliberals at TOP, and BBB is tops.
That guy's such a phony, bloviating braggart asshole who flaunts the blood money he's made from his fealty to Wall St. No wonder the douchebag RW owner hired him.
I've challenged him plenty of times in different ways, that his Neoliberal bullshit would get his ass kicked in less than 5 minutes, were he to try the 1% apologist crap he writes on TOP on any street corner from which he derives his dopey moniker from. There are a few who I've relished reaming the asses of, including dhoning, Tuffie, Trix, etc. but none more than the tough-talking phony.
I went back to TOP last night for the first time since I left in April, just to see the reception DD's essay had gotten, and regretted it. More to the point, the willful ignorance and blind partisanship made me appreciate the warmth and generosity of spirit here more than ever.
Here's a few of selections from my greatest BBB hits:
The first was a response to his chronic mockery of Bernie's use of the word "revolution," which was the gist of a speech MLK made about economic inequality, another issue he cluelessly disparaged, just as his Dead Leader did when he remarked, "blah blah oligarchy." (I edited out the long passages of King's speech for some brevity).
The second was a response to his farcical "diary" taking Bernie to task for "not looking presidential" when he gave his economic speech at Georgetown (to a fascist Neoliberal that means covered in red, white and blue, like at the DNC, where we heard prescribed chants of "USA!USA!USA!). Guess he wouldn't have a clue then, to why Bernie and Nelson Mandela were the only two invited guests to a White House black tie function who showed up separately without wearing tuxedos. This gesture of solidarity with the working man and rejection of the self importance of elected officials I'm sure flies right over the heads of Economic Terrorists of Wall St fanboys like BBB and his lame crew at TOP.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
BBB is notorious as the instigator of the Clinton Mantra:
"We don't want you and we will win without you."
That he still shows up and has any credibility over there is reason enough for me to never return to TOP, even if I am curious to see the pants-shitting Dallasdoc has inspired.
OH yes
I was the target of at least one of his condescending lectures about why Bernie lost the primary because he didn't pander to POC enough and his rubbing in on the "BernieBros" epithet even as women and people of color decried the implicit racism and sexism in that phrase.
He's just an ass, like his master, Markos.
Love ya, mean it
Yep, our decrying fell on deaf ears.
I so love being made invisible and inaudible.
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Arrogant, Egotistical, Smug, and Sneeringly
Condescending, the likes of BBB walk among this earth like they were anointed by God himself when the reality is that a serious illness, the loss of income, and the bitter lessons of humility would kick his ass so hard, he'd be reduced to flotsam in the sea of wounded humanity. Another raw beating heart, curled up in a fetal position praying for a merciful end. Although I suspect if we were to give him statistics on suicide rates among the desperate souls who have lost everything, he'd suggest they wouldn't be missed.
Gold standard prick if there ever was one.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I had someone of Facebook tell me...
I didn't know what a Neoliberal was...
This was in a thread about Angela Merkel accusing Russia of trying to destabilize Germany and attack the 2017 elections...
In the end I told him to stick his condescending attitude up his ass, but the Republicans were already going to stick a big Red, White, and Blue dick up his ass for him...
He had one of those Star Wars Bernie Sanders memes as his cover pic. (Return of the Jedi 2020 with a pic of Bernie). I told him Yoda dies in RoTJ
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
I would hazard a guess
that your bird photography is of far more general interest than that poster's dribblings.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Facebook has been a source of
Gut wrenching agitation for me during this election. Dozens of Real Life friends have displayed just what political tools they are for the Masters of the Universe that I have nothing left to say to them. Last time I was on FB they were blaming Comey, entrenched racism, lazy voters, misogyny, and all the other excuses on TOP rec list, so I imagine they are sounding the alarm and outrage over the Russians right about now. Maybe I'll be able to salvage some of the goodwill I had with them previous to the election when things calm down. Then again, maybe not.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Not sure what his beef was.
His definition of neoliberalism sounds about right, if one looks past the attitude. What would you have said differently?
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Bayonne Bag Boy
is a nasty piece of work, but DOV may be worse.
You mean I finally agree with BBB?
Coal mining (if there is any reason to have it at all) should be done by T-800 terminators and no humans. Terminators don't get black lung.
Of course, all Hillary had to offer was jobs at Wall-Mart for the grandmothers of ex miners, that was the Democrats' losing strategy in coal country. Bernie would have offered construction jobs rebuilding roads and bridges and laying new railroad tracks, "but the construction companies would just import mexican laborers like the railroad companies imported Chinese in the 1870s" - so Kentucky, Tennessee, and W. Virginia were pretty likely lost anyway, at least in 2016.
On to Biden since 1973
Not just miners any working class stiff.
I reckon a couple of fairly simple algorithms could replace BBB in his entirety.
And 2020, and 2024.
They're hosed unless the Trumpster spends that $Trllion and hires those miners. And, sadly, not just miners.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Construction jobs are usually government jobs,
or at least jobs paid by the government; thus all we have to do is specify in the contracts that they must use American materials and workers.
Bernie also offered jobs in renewable energy, IIRC. Bernie won West Virginia and coal-mining Kentucky (they tied in the whole state) in the primaries. Hill won Tennessee, but I couldn't find how she fared in the coal-mining parts.
Hill came to KY (where I am) and shrugged off the loss of coal jobs. Bern was empathetic. It made all the difference in the world.
KY went for Clinton the Bill in a big way. That they went for Trump so bigly tells me they never forgave Clinton the Hill for that shrug.
I've been saying for years, the woman is tone deaf. Among many other things, of course.
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He let me have it a few times before I departed
He's a piece of work from is icon on up.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Bosendorfer liberal.
Cheaper by the pair
Tessla Liberal
It is all he talks about.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Be happy for the Dems.
Coal miners would rather lose their health insurance than vote for a Democrat.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Unemployed ex coal miners
would rather not have to pay fo some damn "bronze plan" - they'd rather have food.
I know, there's always Medicaid, but that's "charity".
On to Biden since 1973
Coal miners voted Dem for many years
The Byrd family dynasty of WV comes to mind.
And they hated Hillary - but were good with Bernie Sanders, who trounced her in ALL the coal counties of WV and KY, and even edged her out in the PA coalfields.
Which just goes to show - yet again - that the Dems could have won this election if they really wanted to.
Speaking of Sen Byrd of WV, the senator told Gore that if
he - Gore - spent one day touring WV with Byrd, Byrd would guarantee WV would vote for Gore. Gore couldn't be stirred to accept the help from the most powerful man in the Senate, and had he gotten those 4 or 5 votes, Florida would not have mattered.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Coal miners would rather.....
.... Hillary Clinton, who snubbed them and their jobs repeatedly during the campaign.
A surprising number of them and their family members would have been happy to vote for Bernie Sanders. Of course, Bernie didn't shun, minimize, or snub them. He recognized their griefs and made it clear that he really did feel their pain. Her Heinous brushed them and their concerns aside. And she reaped a bumper crop of what she so sowed. That "TRUMP" graffito with which Markos opened his disgusting little diary may as well have been painted by her own two hands. Its existence is entirely her doing.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Some of that good ol' Big Tent
Check out the diary denouncing Markos
at the top of the rec'd list
The folks in the comments section of that diary --
are making Dan Aykroyd look articulate.
“Those who make Bernie Sanders impossible will make Luigi Mangione inevitable." - Dan Berger
Dr. Bob nailed it.
As it happens he lives in my neck of the woods, about 15 miles from my house as the crow flies. But I haven't seen him in years. Operates in stealth mode apparently. Or, hell, maybe he's moved.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Damn, had to sign in to rec
Damn, had to sign in to rec that!
And it is hard to believe that anyone not paid to say so/utterly brainwashed could object to the notion of anyone holding a non-upper-management job ever having had a decent life, although I have no idea which applies in either of the examples Bob Johnson provided.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Seeing a lot of people...
On my twitter who don't know better sending me links from Dailykos with the idea that I might agree with them because I hate Trump.
Brand salvaging time, it seems. When in doubt, punch some hippies and all the pundits will agree that you're legit.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I had a conversation with BBB where I told him I
intended to dance on Hillary's political grave. So the other day I visited BBB to do just that.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Linky? That would be an amusing comment battle,
I would imagine.
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Shitting on people
who are down and out is not a true liberal value. Markos is once again showing his elitist arrogance for those who did not make it and refuse to continue down the same voting path that has ignored them for too long.
The underlying ethos behind all neoliberals is the myth of meritocracy. It allows them to look down on those they believe to be inferior without any guilt. Markos is a perfect example of that meritocratic hubris.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Good analysis GG! In the USA, hard work gets you hard work.
Half of Americans hold none of the nation's wealth: 50% are have-nots.
In the past 40 years, American families have had to work an increase of one-third hours to offset the decline in hourly wages for male workers and stagnant earnings for families.
Americans have been working harder since the Carter administration and have nothing but debt and stagnant incomes to show for the effort.
There is little or no upward class mobility. The American Dream is now the American Lie.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
OMG Jazzenterprises! I wish I
OMG Jazzenterprises! I wish I'd had the nerve to say all you said to Markos. When I GBCW'd yesterday, I only called him a prick. I'm such a wimp!
I wanted to be banned from that goddamned place. I do not want to be associated with it in any positive way, as I am ashamed of what it became.
As a West Virginian, I wish I could tell Markos and any other dickwad "liberal" to fuck off, eat shit, and die right to their goddamned faces.
When did the "Democratic Party"
become the "Party For Only Some Of The People.......Not Those Nasty Mean Ones"?
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
The Democratic Party is, of course --
a nasty, mean entity these days. Mark Selfa argues that it's always been that way. Here's my nuanced review:
https://cassiodorusblog.wordpress.com/2016/03/23/book-review-selfas-the-...
“Those who make Bernie Sanders impossible will make Luigi Mangione inevitable." - Dan Berger
"Allowed into the political mainstream"?
This comes from your review of Selfa's book, which book I have not read. I wonder if you or anyone could enlighten me as to what benefit there is to be allowed into the "political mainstream" when the elites allow such persons neither oars or a tiller?
I do not believe change will come in the Democratic Party from within, despite Sanders, Warren et. al. The Democratic Party must and will die on the vine like the Whigs, to which I say, good riddance.
Well Selfa didn't think --
there was any benefit at all to being part of the Democratic Party, and that the so-called "Left" ought to create or join another party right away. IMHO his main point, that the Democratic Party is a graveyard for movements, stands -- though it's still hard to tell at this point if the masses as a whole are going to jettison the Democratic Party.
(At any rate, explaining Selfa's position was the fun of writing that book review -- and first posting it to Daily Kos, a site for partisan Democrats. (Of course I've deleted all my diaries over there, and I no longer even comment...))
“Those who make Bernie Sanders impossible will make Luigi Mangione inevitable." - Dan Berger
I won't go back there but am glad
to hear a bit about what goes on there. I'll get too pissed off, and I really noticed the difference once I left that place for good in April I believe. I went back a few times after the edict but would just get mad every time. I got the good from that place by following the good to this place, so I'm glad for that but just won't give them any clicks at all. I do remember BBB and I may have tangled a bit with him once or twice but gave that up quickly. An asshole who enjoys being one, smug, arrogant, certain. Good metaphor for that whole place from what I see of their comments. It is good to know what the dark side is up to though, never hurts to keep your eye on their latest bullshit to know what to rebut. Just like the MSM, I rely on what I hear here and a few headlines so I can rebut what my friends might hear and try to counter it.
Edit to add: As for celebrating anyone losing medical insurance, particularly coal miners? I'm sorry but no. I get pissed at Repugnants and their voting habits too, but to be smugly happy about that is sickening. And the height of arrogance, they apparently believe they're immune under a Democrat. Jeez, there's really no point in arguing with that level of stupid.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
There were at least two diaries in opposition to Kos' diary,
both on the Rec List for an extended time yesterday, Bob Johnson's still on the Rec List even now.
There's not much else I agree with Bob Johnson about, but these diaries were works of beauty.
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Kos is the Trot turd that swings fascist in later years.
If anyone ever reads the "raised by narcissists" subreddit you will recognise the red flags he throws off.
A nasty, spiteful, bitter little man.
Now one thing I WILL be happy about is watching DK pin wheel slowly into the ground.
Injustice Collectors (a species of Narcissist)
Do please allow me to support your excellent point while providing our fellow c99ers an alternative to plunging headlong into the reddit wilderness. The characteristics of Kos (and those who resemble him in these respects such as Denise Oliver Velez and Brooklyn Bad Boy) we agree are so vile and repugnant are listed rather nicely in an anonymous comment posted to Lisa E. Scott's blog, and which I quote below:
I think I might register at Lisa's blog just to keep this comment alive -- as it needs to be, eternally.
In very deed. A fact which took me by surprise at first, but no more. You don't work as hard as Kos has and spend the cash that Kos has spent establishing yourself as a limousine "liberal" asshole by accident. Yet that's exactly what he has done, "in spades", as the saying goes.
From your keyboard straight to Cat's eyes! Yet, I fear not so. There are enough limousiners out there to keep DK in business indefinitely, I fear. And enough of BBB/DOV's ilk alone, alas.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Thanks for the listing
More than half of the traits of injustice collectors apply to Borderline Personality types, who, in large part see themselves as victims and have no qualms on discomfiting others to build their own self-esteem--an impossible task.
Thanks for the IC list and saving many the wilderness trek :)
I must confess I'm not feeling too proud of my insults or glee at DK's hoped for failure right now.
MMZ's glee at the misfortune of coal miners was literally jaw dropping for me. If only from a site/personal brand perspective. Watching who rec'd it was also interesting - last I looked most of the DK team bar MB had.
If this is how the Dem party or activist base is going to proceed then that 3rd party opening on the left is a vacuum howling to be filled.
I think he's a Tesla liberal,
But I get your point.
And as for "you got what you voted for", the candidate Kos preferred told coal miners in both Ohio and WV that their jobs were gone. What exactly did Kos think would happen to their health insurance under the other candidate's scenario? Because "jobs gone" equal coal companies shut down & bankrupt.
And I thought he was ARENA maybe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markos_Moulitsas
Here's the interesting passage:
And here's the reference:
Those commies. Anyone want to guess what Markos Moulitsas was doing in El Salvador between 1976 and 1980? I guess he's "ex-CIA" too...
“Those who make Bernie Sanders impossible will make Luigi Mangione inevitable." - Dan Berger
IIRC,
Markos has actually admitted to working for the CIA in the past.
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Bill Clinton
Did exactly the same thing when he pulled the rug out from under the economy of the rural Northwest. They voted for him and in fact had voted heavily democrat for over 70 years. They certainly learned their lesson they now vote republican well except for Bernie.
The common message
in Kos's petulant remarks and BBB's more extravagant display of pure stoopid amorality is an underlying accusation: How dare you poor, ignorant people not accept the bits and scraps we may happen to throw your way? How dare you not accept us as your morally superior and maybe probably but not really benevolent overlords! HOW DARE YOU! Well, you'll get what's coming to you now!
As though the "screw 'em" attitude liberal Democrats are now feeling comfortable expressing hasn't already been crystal clear to the large swaths of the country totally abandoned by the neoliberal consensus. There's a total failure of thoughtfulness here. Total.
My comment to the diary.
NO! I WILL NEVER BE HAPPY AT ANOTHER PERSON’S SUFFERING. I WILL NEVER BE HAPPY THAT SOME CHILD IS SICK AND CAN’T SEE A DOCTOR, THAT AN EXPECTANT MOTHER CAN’T RECEIVE PROPER PRENATAL CARE. WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES AND THAT DESPERATELY POOR AND ILL EDUCATED PEOPLE ARE EASILY DUPED AND OTHERWISE MAKE POOR CHOICES BUT WE DO NOT CELEBRATE THAT.
I'm not easily shocked but the total and complete compassion or consideration of the implications made me physically sick at my stomach. It is pure primitive Calvinism and the antithesis of everything I stand for.
I did post last week that I didn't believe it was an issue that merited a government shout down. Yes I think it's reasonable that people accept some degree of consequences for their actions. Shutdowns are very unpopular and if you care going to use the ultimate option it must be saved to defend something that vastly has the public on your side. The obvious one is that the Democrats can only gain by going the last mile to save it. Miners go somewhat to the back of the bus but it isn't something to crow about and we still need to stand ready to ameliorate their suffering
Great comment n/m.
Beautiful.
You may have given a few people food for thought.
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Forgive me I went and read some comments
Seems some posters had the right spirit and condemned whats-his-face. If TOP represents the liberal vanguard of the democrat party, then it is a fun house at closing time.