Whitewashing at DKos?

Submitted by cjeagles on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 6:59pm

So I'm picking over the carcass of my comment history over at TOP, which died last May when I finally bailed for the season.

I noticed a diary I had commented effusively about on May 22, titled "Hillary's problem with Independents".

Now wouldn't that be a very intriguing read now 6 months later? Why was I so enthusiastic about this diary? I bet there are some prognostications in there that would be helpful in our moment of deep introspection, right?

Let's check it out! http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/21/1529367/-Hillary-s-problem-wit...

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Ooops, wonder what happened?

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Submitted by elenacarlena on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 7:19pm
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and take all their content with them. If they did, then the story was removed by the author. I'm not sure if Kos unpublishes anything if it is multiply hide rated.

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Submitted by dennis1958 on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 7:33pm

the Romney's 47% Diaries went poof pretty fast.
For evermore Markos can't say he broke that story.

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Submitted by Oldest Son Of A... on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 1:44am
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Banning the new member that was trying to hand over the 47% Video to DKos was one of the swiftest moves ever...

I was looking at those teaser clips and trying to get a hold of the guy...
The idiots were knocking him down so fast it couldn't be done...

There was no doubt in my mind it was some important stuff...

Come to think of it I might have mentioned it a time or 2 on my recent "Told You So Tour" at Dkos...
Yep Sure Did! LOL In their Live Election Blog I helped them count the ballot while this site wouldn't load...

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..... You all know the stuff I say...

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 2:08am
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Your last comment was a doozy, but as you wrote they are so inbred over there when no dissent is acceptable for them.
Gawd, it did become an echo chamber and I looked at it a few hours ago and dear gawd, there's a Im with her diary up.
Her is history, but they aren't going to give up on her come hell or high water.
Keep swinging for the fences kids Smile

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

Submitted by reflectionsv37 on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 4:10am
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Slapping the pig!

I laugh every time I think about that!

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Submitted by Oldest Son Of A... on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 3:40pm
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That want to stay at the feed trough long past the ham and bacon expiration date tattoo'd on their ear...

The essay Thumb crossposted here describing them as Machiavellian / corporatocratists described them so perfectly but for ease of writing I'll stick with Slapping The Pig...

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I never realized that there were so many Crooked Democrats like Hillary, in this country in a position of power, where could profit and advance their power, that would infest a forum like DKos in size.
MY GAWD!
This is bigger than I ever imagined possible...
Everybody in there is making a great living, driving expensive luxury cars, and living high on the hog at the government feed trough...

I know the mood is pacifism but if the enemy is truly this big it's time to go Open Carry and Open Season and bring home the bacon...

Otherwise we're doomed... /sn somewhere in there a snark started I can't say exactly where...

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Submitted by PriceRip on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 7:36pm
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          I refer to it as "shelling my account" as in leaving only the shell.

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Submitted by Betty Pinson on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 7:56pm

a while back, putting me in limbo in neverending "time out" status. I can't get back in to delete anything. Not that it matters much.

It's such a strange place these days, awkwardly trying to praise Bernie while still trashing his supporters. They have an obsession for trying to be on the side of whichever politician is most popular at the time.

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Submitted by Oldest Son Of A... on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 9:16pm
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Pig Lips and...

Sorry if I insulted any swine with this comment...

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Submitted by Pricknick on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 12:04am
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we go for the throat. You and I are still there.
You and I wish no harm to those at TOS, GOS or any other site.
We just wretch and try to change a few minds.
We're winning. What for I haven't deciphered yet.

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Submitted by dennis1958 on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 8:07pm

and yeah maybe painting fences.
I know they're not mending any.

** Yeah I went and peeked, I didn't log in though.

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Submitted by bobswern on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 8:35pm

If this diary is about the DKos diary originally posted by gjohnsit (on or around May 21st, 2016, I'm pretty sure he removed it in the process of archiving diaries (basically, as noted upthread, partially "shelling his account") in recent months.

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Submitted by gjohnsit on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 9:58pm

It's one of roughly 600 I've deleted so far.

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Submitted by Azazello on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 10:12pm
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why you are doing that ? I mean, I don't care if he owns all of mine, I can make more.

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

Submitted by gustogirl on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 12:24am

I'd buy a compendium.

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Submitted by cjeagles on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 7:05am

OK gjohnsit, give us a link to that old diary! We want to know what you said back then!

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Submitted by Cachola on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 7:32am
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I am beginning to feel like at DK like there was a club with a special language and I was the outsider.

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Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.

Submitted by Oldest Son Of A... on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 3:54pm
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We're all good friends and neighbors here...
You are a special guest star too...
Everybody is...

At least until they publish a "I Used To Be For Bernie, But Now I'm With Her" essay...
Then the comments might get a little rocky... LOL
But it will be more like suggesting that they publish at DKos (TOP, The Orange Stain, The Other Place etc.) and even politely at first with reasons why we aren't with her...
Persistence will get the replies firmer...

Nothing is like DKos here...
This is where all the smart polite kids went to...
Enjoy it!

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Submitted by cjeagles on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 7:41am

http://www.caucus99percent.com/content/hillarys-problem-independents

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Submitted by SnappleBC on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 3:38pm
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I'd simply like to setup a monthly donation to support the good works.

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Submitted by gjohnsit on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 11:09am

and I don't want to help the bastards.

Plus, I'm a little paranoid about my web presence now with Trump president.

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Submitted by k9disc on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 2:45pm
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were real winners. A piece of mine pretty much stopped the privatization of Social Security in 2005, IIRC.

It always bothers me when I hear about how as a white male I have nothing to worry about in the future.

I've got debt and a crystal clear dissident voice that has hit a big nerve a couple of times. I'm going to be the first of the "privilege" group to be in trouble.

BTW, I second the compendium of gjohnsit. You really could publish that to great effect.

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Submitted by jim p on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 9:31pm

the title, or any unique phrase, plus your username and in this case you have the date, a Google search might turn up a cached record. I've done that a couple of times.

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Submitted by ptressel on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 3:29am

...a.k.a. Internet Archive:

http://archive.org/web/

For that, you (currently) need to have the URL, or find it via web search, e.g. if the diary is linked from some other page. There's a banner on the WayBack Machine page saying they have a beta version of site search, which might allow finding material without the URL.

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Submitted by blue drop on Sun, 11/13/2016 - 11:34pm

http://www.caucus99percent.com/content/hillarys-problem-independents

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Submitted by rvan on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 12:44am

I just left this on a TOP/GOS open thread by Hunter:

https://www.facebook.com/viralthread/videos/598130190359668/

I love that his last name is Pie.

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Submitted by dervish on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 12:09pm
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The best rant I've seen in years, in fact.

Here is a direct link:

[video:https://youtu.be/GLG9g7BcjKs]

Let's help make it viral, spread it everywhere!

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"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."

Submitted by gjohnsit on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 11:17am

Instead of moderating the misogynistic slandering of Bernie supporters, Hillary fans have reacted by doubling down and calling Bernie supporters racists as well.
And unlike Trump, who is willing to acknowledge that some Mexicans might not be rapists, Hillary supporters have no problem making blanket statement that all Bernie supporters, every single one of them, are racist and sexist.
But it's only Bernie supporters that are the problem, not Hillary supporters. Riiiiight.

What makes this unusual is that this tactic is rarely applied outside of a general election. Oh sure, it's not unusual for things to get nasty between candidates during primaries. That's par for the course. Welcome to politics.
The difference is that you always want to get your opponents voters' support after the primaries are over.
That's why slandering those voters, all of them, is a stupid, self-defeating, long-term strategy.

I could go into why trying to attribute a small number of abusive, anonymous, online posters who claim to be Bernie supporters as representative of all of them is obviously dishonest.
I could go into the fact that some of that abuse never came from Bernie supporters at all, and was wrongly misattributed.
I could go into the fact that the internet is not a nice place, and pretending that this is something new is dishonest.
You can read it all here.

Instead I'm going to focus on the idea that Clinton supporters can slander and belittle all Sanders supporters and still think they can guilt them into voting for Hillary.
Just how Stockholm Syndrome'd do you think progressives are? These people are self-identified independents. They don't feel any loyalty to your candidate from the start. Calling them names isn't going to work.
So what exactly were you thinking? That you didn't need the independent vote?
Congrats then, because you don't have it.

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Submitted by dervish on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 12:50pm
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they'd win every election from here on out. They were going to turn Texas blue.

It could still be done, but only after we get rid of everyone even remotely associated with 2016 strategy, the DNC and the Hillary campaign.

I'm hearing that Pelosi, Ellison and others are meeting as we speak with George Soros to try and figure out what went wrong, and how to fix it. Why are they meeting with a billionaire instead of us? Why does his voice count more than ours?

The article in Politico is here

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Submitted by dervish on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 12:51pm
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to the Politico article if you can.

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Submitted by eyo on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 1:19pm

"The Democracy Alliance"

The Democracy Alliance was launched after the 2004 election by Soros, the late insurance mogul Peter Lewis, and a handful of fellow Democratic mega-donors who had combined to spend tens of millions trying to boost then-Sen. John Kerry’s ultimately unsuccessful challenge to then-President George W. Bush.

The donors’ goal was to seed a set of advocacy groups and think tanks outside the Democratic Party that could push the party and its politicians to the left while also defending them against attack from the right.

The group requires its members — a group that now numbers more than 100 and includes finance titans like Soros, Tom Steyer and Donald Sussman, as well as major labor unions and liberal foundations — to contribute a total of at least $200,000 a year to recommended groups. Members also pay annual dues of $30,000 to fund the DA staff and its meetings, which include catered meals and entertainment (on Sunday, interested donors were treated to a VIP tour of the recently opened National Museum of African American History and Culture).

"Advocacy groups and think tanks" what a waste. Sounds like a giant ponzi scheme to me, get the little people to chip in while bigs trade the money back and forth with each other. People are going without proper food and shelter to support that sick system. The Ds are wrong, I am glad they lost.

Stick that gilded D where the sun don't shine.

Thanks

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Submitted by dervish on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 1:48pm
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hack the systems of Soros and Saban, and see to what extent, if any they communicate with the likes of the Kochs, DeVos, or Adelson, we might close the loop on the two-sided coin.

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Submitted by k9disc on Mon, 11/14/2016 - 1:22pm
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Judging by what this article says:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/how-democrats-killed...

Demographic changes are not going to help if you only service and interact with the .1%.

It's just more and more people pissed off enough to vote against you or to sit it out.

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