Well well well, did anyone else get this email? And we need to
find out who's behind this crap.
***
#MOVEMENTFORTHE99%#
The unthinkable has happened - Donald Trump has won. Further, the Republicans have seized control of both chambers of congress. With this power they are planning to unleash a storm of attacks against the most vulnerable in our society. This cannot stand. We need to stand as one and revive the solidarity in the old labor slogan, “an injury to one, is an injury all.” We need to build the fightback to Trump and the Right.
Within hours of Trump being elected, Movement for the 99%, with Socialist Alternative and Socialist Students, put out the call for mass protests across the country to unite against sexism and racism and to begin building the movement against Trump and the the billionaire class. In less than 24 hours nearly 40,000 people answered our call! Please contribute $25 to grow our movement.
The numbers of people - mostly young people - who attended in each city is electrifying: New York City had 10,000 people; Philadelphia 6,000; Boston 10,000; Seattle 6,000; and Oakland 5,000. Our protests were a top story on newscasts across the country and internationally - from CNN to The Guardian.
This only the beginning.
Plans are underway for huge nationwide protests around Trump’s inauguration on January 20th and 21st. We need to build a grassroots movement against threats to escalate mass deportations of immigrants and a clampdown on muslim communities, among other attacks. Movement for the 99% will be at the forefront of building these demonstrations and organizing broad community coalitions to stand united against bigotry and hate.
But to challenge Trump’s agenda, we need your help. We need the millions of people who stood for Bernie’s political revolution to join in building an independent grassroots movement that can stand against fierce attacks from Trump and the Right. We need to raise $10,000 in the next week to begin building for the Inauguration protests being planned across the country. Please contribute $25, $50, or $100 today!
This email was sent to XXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
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Movement4Bernie · 151 S Horton St · Seattle, WA 98134 · USA
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Now I don't know how I got on their mailing list but if you look at where I bolded the print at the bottom of the page, it's being sent in behalf of Sanders. He needs to own this if they are part of his organization. And he needs to fuck off if they're using information given to the Sanders campaign when I was supporting him. Or maybe this is another DNC scam. Or did David Brock come up from the sewer and team up with the Clinton's to do this? Regardless, I am pissed.
They obviously think they're going to pull a Chimpy McSmirkster here and change the results of the election. (Gore DID win Florida after all that bullshit and lying.) I hate Trump but I hate the Clinton's far more.
Oh yeah. They want money. I wouldn't give these morons a nickle if I was as rich as Hellery Clinton.
EDIT: When I 'unsubscribed' to their emails they thanked me for my feedback. I think they might be changing their minds about that one.
Plus they are using info from the Sanders campaign. I'm on a 'list' of Sanders supporters and that's how they got my email address the shitheels.
Comments
I knew it!!
Paging Henry Wallace!
ETA: You can find the story at Movement for the 99%. The blah-blah sounds OK:
Lots of appeals for cash, not too much specificity what it's going for. I don't like that. And while the words are fine, if you look at the pictures you'll get a strongly Millennial-SJW vibe out of the thing. All the signage talks about racism and sexism, so I'm not sure that memo has been gotten.
If this is the organization driving all these protests, especially in Portland where rioting has already started, it needs lots more transparency.
The founder supports nationalizing Microsoft and Boeing
If that gives you a sense of her flair for practical solutions.
This group of halfwits wouldn't be worth worrying about
but the pictures of their insanity (stupidity) say otherwise. They're out there in numbers. They get way more people at their protests than the Clinton creature got to go to her campaign rallies. WTF sense does that make?
They almost seem to be a leftist version of the Tea Party. Except where most of the TPers were middle aged and up, this bunch of screwballs seem to be pretty young. But so were the Brooks Brothers rioters.
This was all supposed to be over and done with. I never guessed that the Clintonista's would follow KKKarl Rove's playbook. They probably figure it worked for Chimpy so it'll work for them. I wonder, do they know there are legalities involved here? That they can't just say 'overturn the election' and its done?
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
With you a hundred percent on this
IMO, it's agents provocateur, provoking.
Where the fuck did they get all those people? This smells WAY too organized.
Thanks for the heads up on the email. I was on Sanders' lists, and I haven't checked my email lately...
I was thinking it's a bit too organized myself. And I was
wondering if David Brock and Bill Clinton are skulkiing around in the background.
I'm pretty mad about these fools having my email address and name. Not that I think they're going to come around and hassle me or anything but I'm tired of these leeches asking me for money. And it's the proverbial snowball's chance in Hell that I'd give this bunch any.
I went to Sanders meet-ups before and after he flipped and signed up to work for Brand New Congress so it's not like I didn't do my part to spread my information around, but it was NEVER meant to be used for nonsense like this.
Let us know if you get an email from these characters please. I'd be really interested to see how wide-spread their reach is,
Now let me ask you, why do you think they're using that identifier at the bottom of the email? This is what I mean:
Movement4Bernie · 151 S Horton St · Seattle, WA 98134 · USA
There can't be anyway that old Jeff Weaver or any of that crowd have their fingers in this pie wouldn't you think? Is it just bait to reel in the suckers? Where is the money really going and why?
I sincerely don't believe that Sanders would EVER condone anything like this, but why are they using his name? He couldn't be president no matter how many protests there are. That part id terribly dishonest and deceptive. How many people are sending money just because they think it has something to do with Sanders?
I thought we'd finally be beyond the election and talking about the future by now. Shows you how much I know.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Bernie is going to
be around, he said as much in Philly. But there are so many "Bernie-connected" dot orgs out there now it's hard to tell which is what, or if any are even legit. Until Bernie actually announces he's getting the band back together, I would look suspiciously at these groups.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
*I* support nationalizing Microsoft and Boeing. Your point?
[some snark ahead:]
*I* support nationalizing Microsoft and Boeing. Especially Microsoft. Your point being?
Seriously: Like most Pirate Party folk, I support nationalization and/or other regulation on the uber-rich and the uber-powerful, and freedom for the Serfs. And either we own our computers, or Microsoft does. These two concepts cannot occupy the same space and time. And, of course, I opt for the former (one reason I run and promote Linux/BSD where and whenever I can.)
And the driving force behind "Movement for the 99%" (formerly "Movement4Bernie"), one Kshama Sawant, has always been up to this kind of hair-on-fire tactics. Thinking through the undesirable side effects of actions and avoidance of Oliver Velez Syndrome are not Ms. Sawant's strong suits, although she has shown considerably more willingness to work to avoid the latter than its namesake ever has (admittedly, not difficult).
As far as the protests go, let me quote an old (pre-Confucian) Chinese proverb:
The electoral victory of Donald Trump, largely a product of the Democratic Party fielding the seriously flawed Hillary Clinton as its 2016 candidate, has left a significant part of the American populace seriously pissed. Yes, the Clintonistas may have started the protests (light a fire in seven places), but it is readily apparent that our kind of folks have joined them, and in some cases are pissed off enough to resort to violence (flames and smoke in eight).
And I can easily see this small barbecue turn into the Waldo Canyon Fire before all is said and done -- and probably before the year is out.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
She's providing an awesome excuse for a crackdown
With the optics really bad for the anti-Trump side. And to make it perfect, the crackdown happens under Obama.
Ayup, that is so!
As I pointed out a few moments ago in this thread, my differences with Socialist Alternative aren't substantial, but tactical and optical. This is textbook bad tactics and it won't end well at all.
Kshama, you need to go back and read Sun Tsu again.......
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
The Art of War is probably something they aren't even familiar
with. And that was excellent advice. But these people are so disorganized all they want to do is burn up cars and make a lot of noise and beat up people.
"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."
Lunachickie made a good point. This does sound like they are being led by the nose by agent provocateurs. They just might be useful tools for someone elses's agenda.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
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That's a Sawant-related group? Holy freaking shit. Sorry from WA, other states.
This cat says it all.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxRX6LXDpWs]
The Sheepdogging has already begun in earnest. They know that the Left has the power now, and they WANT IT.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I agree with the cat, no no no no no!
I guess I'll start trolling the internet and see what I can find out. I'm livid. They want the public to finance their protests.
Farking fools.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
This is
confusing my old head. Please tell me Bernie isn't part of this mess and they've just co-opted his name and picture. To me it smells of Bill Slimy Clinton getting revenge by ruining Bernie's name???
Bernie has no connection
And they're not even named after him anymore.
That cat has been traumatized.
This reads like a Phishing expedition to me.
It does not look legitimate.
Here's their Facebook page. It's not a phishing anything.
https://www.facebook.com/Movement4Bernie/
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I know you have a hair trigger...
And I fully understand that. I'm not sure I understand your concern here. The e-mail says nothing about 'supporting Hillary' - only protesting Trump. I know friends and family that have PERSONALLY already been attacked by people who claim to be Trump supporters.
Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?
Who else would they be protesting for? Bugs Bunny?
And I didn't vote for Trump so I don't know why you're handing me the "I know friends and family that have PERSONALLY already been attacked by people who claim to be Trump supporters" line. What has that to do with anything? This shit is about overturning the election. What do you think they want? And who do you think they want it for?
I prefer the election stay exactly the way it is and Her Heinous is out of our faces from now until Doomsday. Trump disgusts me, but the Clinton creature is foul beyond measure.
But rest assured, your concern is noted.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Wel...
We are going to have to agree to disagree, then. I'm not sure what to make of the protestors, but I'm not sure it is as nefarious as you are making it. I have no evidence one way or another. I am a consummate pessimist, but I really need to have some hope here. Bernie is emerging as the Democratic leader.
Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?
Oh, so when did Sanders go back to being a Democrat?
And Bernie isn't going to be squat in the 'New' Democratic Party.
And yes, we most certainly disagree.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
yep, exactly. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
I agree with you
I just got off the phone from a female friend who was distraught. Her line that really got my ire up was, "I was all set to wake up and dance in my room because we had our first female President."
I told her that I was horrified. I pointed out that the US had laid about 1.5 million civilian body bags in the Mideast. Let's just call half of those Obama & Clinton's. So she was basically rooting for another 750k civilian casualties to our wars of acquisition. At that point we'd be at 2.25 million. I asked her at what point she wanted to start thinking of it in holocaust terms and was she really willing to be happy about something like that?
One of the interesting things I've found is that my Democratic friends are much more open after the election to learning the truth about the Democratic party. She learned quite a few things in the last few hours.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
This isn't about Trump v. Clinton
And it's not about just protests. This is about getting through the next 4 years with the least damage. Attempting to be as obstructive as possible will just assure that only toxic legislation passes.
But it's plain stupid
to protest the outcome of an election. Like that, by itself, would overturn the results. Dumb.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Yeah, and one of the NYC leaders
Just got charged with felony assault for cracking a man's head. She: 23, BLM and anti-bullying activist; Him, 74 and Trump supporter
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Jesus...
This won't end well.
Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?
You got to keep your hands up, Pop!
Those anti- bullies are fierce.
Nobody could write this s**t but the Big Fella.
Don't matter if it's wrong or right
cause they're out for blood tonight. - f. zappa
stein - baraka
2020
And so it begins.
And so it begins. The runaway campfire commences its journey up the inaccessible canyon.
Idiots.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
No, I haven't received that email. I feel left out!
I must not have donated bigly enough.
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You can have mine if you want it. I wouldn't
feel too bad, maybe that means they don't have your information. But who knows, yours may still be in the queue and you'll be getting it any day now.
I wonder how long this is going to go on? I was so happy the other night when I thought it was all over.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Well, sounds like it's causing y'all all kinds of fun, so I
think I'll pass. Thanks anyway. I get plenty of other emails, including some from the Repugs!
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I got the email.
I got that email. But, unlike Amanda, I know exactly why I got it: I allowed the Socialist Alternative Party to have my email address.
If you open the link, you'll find the email Amanda and I got -- on steroids and meth. If my fellow c99ers will read the linked website, you'll get an idea of the ideologies driving much of what is going on.
It's not the Hillary supporters, at least not any more. The Trump victory (which we warned them would happen if the Dems ran Hillary) has pierced the reservoir of ultraflamer leftists (i.e., the potentially violent cases) like a freshly sharpened large-diameter auger bit striking molten lava. The Hillary supporters and Lady Gaga lit fires in seven places, but runaway flames and smoke are now to be had in eightY.
That's probably because Hillary and the not-so-democratic "Democrats" soaked the national ground with hot gasoline continuously since March 15 or before.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I got it, too
I have been unsubscribing to "Bernie anything" and "Movement for anything" for weeks, but the shit keeps coming.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Patience, Bis. You'll get there!
Keep at it, old friend.
I am an unsubscribing fool these days myself, because I'm about to shut an old email account down that I've had for -gasp!- 20 years. It's taken me 3 months to get all that crap (or most of it anyway) shut off. Salsalab is a chrome-plated thus-and-such.
So just have patience and keep after it. You'll get there. I have.
(And it feels a lot better, too!!)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Same with me and that Yahoo account. That damn thing is
my contact email at every place I've been for years. Utility companies, old friends, mortgage company.,etc. Hell, it's my sign-in on a few things.
This will be a major inconvenience if I have to shut it down.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Beware those Ides. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
The email came with pictures. I tried to post but it says the
site doesn't support that type image. There is a sign in the middle of the page.'Not My President' sounds a lot like the crap the Clintonistas have been posting all over the internet. Now, that I can live with. I didn't claim Chimpy either. But I can't live with overturning an election and handing it to one of the worst candidates and politicians this country has ever seen. And anyone saying that this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the Clinton wretch needs to explain who else would they think 'eligible' to take Trump's place.
UGH! And here I thought the whole damn mess was behind us.
Here's the info for the picture of the protest I spoke about above inNew York that won't post:
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/65b19f6cd00f9ac6d6c9031d8/images/86a4ecdd-...
Here is a picture from their Boston hissy fit that will post:
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
At least with Chimpie
there was the issue of whether his brother had engineered the hanging chad fiasco and Daddy's appointees being accessories. There are no claims whatsoever that Trump won both the nomination and the election fair and square.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
This ?
Yes. How'd you do it?
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I am a thief in the night . . . all stealthy and such.
I just followed your link to gallery.mailchimp.com
Drop this code into an article or comment and the image will appear.
<img src="/sites/default/files/user%20images/NotMyPresident.jpeg" width="500" height="333" alt="NotMyPresident.jpeg" />
You can even resize it if you wish:
<img src="/sites/default/files/user%20images/NotMyPresident.jpeg" width="200" alt="NotMyPresident.jpeg" />
THANK YOU!
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I got an e-mail today from The Nation
Urging me to sign something to "Thank Hillary Clinton."
Didn't bother to read what I would've been thanking her for.
My thoughts were:
"Thank you for losing?"
"Thank you for being so unlikeable?"
"Thank you for turning off so many people that 1.6M Obama voters decided not to bother this time or voted for Trump?"
I just deleted it.
"The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to those who think they've found it."
Terry Pratchett, Monstrous Regiment
If you'd have read it I bet there would have been the typical
"send us money" speil. Mine always do. Boy, are they begging at the wrong (email) address.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
That's typical of Socialist Alternative.
That's typical of Socialist Alternative. You can't even register as one of their voters unless you give them money first.
For a party which claims to advocate for the workers and the poor, that just isn't the right way to go about it......
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Who's to say that this
group you speak of isn't a damned "front" operation, or a legitimate entity initially, that's been getting wined and dined and co-opted lately by our boys Podesta and Mook?
Burden of evidence, luna.
First, Socialist Alternative's been around for a while (1986). It's a neo-Marxist group of the Trotskyist branch of the family. Wikipedia on SA
As for the claims that SA was "a legitimate entity initially, that's been getting wined and dined and co-opted lately by our boys Podesta and Mook", you of all people should know that these are affirmative (and extraordinary) claims. They are to be assumed false unless and until direct evidence of decent quality can be supplied to support them (the familiar Rule of Burden of Proof). The affirmative claims (and their makers) owe the evidence, and they are the only ones owing it. Moreover, these are also rather extraordinary claims, as SA has been openly and stridently opposed to all pro-capitalist politics (i.e., the Duopoly) for its entire lifetime. I remember Labor Militant, and it was no supporter of the ilk of Hillary Clinton! Hence, the now familiar principle laid down by Dr. Carl Sagan also comes into play here: extraordinary claims like these require extraordinary direct evidence, and there's less than none to be had. If you know otherwise, kindly do please bring it forth; you should know me well enough by now to know I'd listen and consider it with great care.
No, luna, what we're dealing with here is that the Hillary Clinton campaign, with all their dirty tricks, have soaked the ground in poison. And that poison happens to be high-octane gasoline. All it took was the Van de Graaff machine called the Trump victory to spark it off. No special conspiracies required. Our country is filled with seriously pissed off working-class people who are as volatile as hell right now. Some elected Donald Trump, others are now rioting. Yes indeed, the Clintons are largely to blame for these facts. But the Clinton acts which created these facts were almost all in place by the end of the calendar year 2000, with upgrades from Hillary's Senate and Secretary of
Endless WarState terms. Any skulduggery from the year 2016 is a mere condiment to that toxic dish.And as a direct result, we now have serious social chaos afoot. Whether thinking Americans want it or not.
Thanks, Billary. This one is all on you.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I'm sorry
but I do not come here to be lectured about "extraordinary claims" and "conspiracy theories" and summarily dismissed for having an opinion. I had enough of that at the Orange Cesspool, thanks. .
Now then; just because a group is "legitimate" or was legitimate, absolutely doesn't mean that nobody:
The burden of evidence also demonstrates time and time again that our government--those high up in it, your "Deep State", as it's referred to here regularly--indulges in agents provocateurs regularly. So we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. IMO, this little "org" has got some big muscle behind it lately, and it smells disgusting and dirty. Sorta like how fake Democrats smell.
I'm sorry, too.
Perhaps I am guilty of treating you in a far too adversarial manner; after all, we have never quarreled in any way heretofore to my best recollection. If I was overly high-handed with my handling of your comment, I apologize. Moreover, please understand and know I meant you no offense. You expressed an idea, and I wanted to question that idea. Nothing more. "Nothing personal, just business", as it were. And yet again, I apologize. Obviously, I mishandled that.
However, for the exact reasons I specified, your question begs this converse one: How do we know that there is some sort of nefarious Clintonesque skulduggery going on here?
If you have some information in that direction, I'd love to see it.
Again, I mean you no offense; but simpler explanations exist which account for all relevant facts at hand: to wit: The American working-class people, those who live from one paycheck to the next, without holding any wealth, have clearly and obviously had enough. Some elected Trump; others have started rioting in the streets. The angst load is more than they can bear after 48 straight years of conservative Wall Street rule. Hence, we get a loudmouth uber-rich demagogue elected President, and violent riots in the streets nationwide.
My evidence:
No American younger than 50 has ever experienced an actual working peace-time economy. And their parents, the generation of Americans born between 1960 and 1975, remember such from their childhoods, but have themselves had to put off (or completely forgo) starting families because working for a paycheck no longer pays enough beyond the job's inherent expenses (i.e., student loans) to support the earner and his job, much less a spouse or a family. Setting this explosive population off is neither a difficult nor time-consuming task; on the contrary, I respectfully submit to you that it's a freakin' miracle we've avoided this social chaos as long as we have.
And, luna, if you crave still more evidence of my simplistic Occam-style explanation, look at this very thread! For Cat's sake, you and I are wholesale crossing horns on this! That's never happened before! And we're not the only ones, either! Attempting to process these riots and protests has had the same effect hereabouts as a human Dungeons and Dragons (or NetHack) player dropping into an Orc King's throne room while wearing two blessed rings of conflict!
But you and I should not and must not do that to one another, you're absolutely right on that count. And for that, I apologize.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
It's about the organization
of all these demonstrations. And, if you notice, the cops aren't wearing their militarized gear like they did for Occupy or BLM. At least not in the footage I've seen on MSM. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
So I've got a similarly hinky feeling about this, luna.
Trump should be thanking Hillary.
Anyone else (with the possible exception of Lincoln Chafer) would've beaten him.
And
Thank you for costing us God only knows how many down-ballot races...Yeah, fuck you Hillary. Please go away for good and take your slimy husband with you...
We had an election. Donald Trump won. eom
Something smells fishy about this.
native
Not fishy, just flakey.
Not fishy, just flakey.
These things are typical of Socialist Alternative. They've always been just like this. If you doubt me, go look at the site I linked.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Think you have it right, thana.
Makes me a little sad about Kshama. Maybe I'm just old, but I can't see how the timing makes any sense. If it's not intended to coup the election and hand it to HRC, then the whole thing is sure subject to that misinterpretation.
Notice that the focus is
Notice that the focus is on social issues. Where is the outrage about Wall Street influence? If people are trying to shut down neoliberalism, where is the stirring of passions to take on Trump possibly appointing Wall Street insiders to his cabinet? Where is the directed outrage towards Trump's environmental views and promised policies? What about foreign policy? There are so many issues that we need to address for our future. Something is very wrong here. It smells bad. Keep the people focused, enraged and fearful about the social issues that fracture and distract while they continue to impoverish and enslave more and more Americans, and while killing more and more citizens around the world and destroying the world itself for profit and power.
I'm feeling hopeless. Help. What do we do?
Good nose, crecentmoon!
You are quite observant to sniff out what the protester's "issues" are. It's almost a distilled version of the Clinton campaign. No mention of the corporatist overlords, billionaire enablers, climate killers, pipeline builders, frackers, sub-livable minimum-wage payers -- it's all "Look at me! I'm such a victim!"
It looks nearly scripted.
They wouldn't have hired that many actors...
They are too cheap...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
Rumors are starting to circulate
about "Craigslist" and "hiring protesters". Mind you, they are rumors, but who would be surprised? Not this girl, that's for damned sure...
It's just an emotional response to Trump winning.
People are geneuinely scared that he and Republicans will take away the right of the LGBT community and other minorities. After a year of a major political party fearmongering about Trump, I can't blame them. We're not humans, not Vulcans.
I'm a doctor, Jim.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
I'm a doctor, not a politician.
I got the email and I have given them money before. I do not
think it's crap. When Bernie jumped ship to the dark side, Sawant and others in the organization endorsed Stein. Seems to me a lot of people here did the same. They are only a small part of the truly progressive organizations that need to coalesce around progressive agenda's and candidates for 2018 and beyond.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
It's just young people protesting.
There's not some sort of nefarious plot going on here. Years of people being victimized by our political process has led to people seeing conspiracies where there likely aren't any.
It's just an emotional response, much like when rural, white folks who voted for Obama in '08, votes for Trump in '16. They're going to be disappointed with Trump, but he was able to convince them that he had their interests in mind, while Hillary was trying to scare people to vote for her.
Over 2 million of our fellow countrymen/women have signed
a change.org petition to ask the Electoral College NOT to vote Trump but install Clinton instead.
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FROM THE BBC
Trump presidency: Protests turn violent in Portland, Oregon
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37946231
(THERE'S VIDEO AT THE LINK
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FROM USA TODAY ARTICLE
Anti-Trump protests, some violent, erupt for 3rd night nationwide
3:03 p.m. EST November 11, 2016
About 4,000 protesters assembled downtown late Thursday chanting “we reject the president-elect!” the Associated Press reported. Some among the crowd vandalized 19 cars at a dealership in Northeast Portland, according to a sales manager, Oregonlive.com reports. Protesters then headed west, over the Broadway Bridge and into the Pearl District, where the windows of several businesses were smashed.
The protest was mostly peaceful until demonstrators met with an anarchist group, after which demonstrators vandalized buildings, kicked cars and knocked out power, KGW-TV reported.
On Twitter, Portland police said many protesters were "trying to get anarchist groups to stop destroying property" and that "anarchists" were refusing to do so. Demonstrators repeatedly chanted "peaceful protest."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/11/11/anti-trump-proteste...
END OF USA TODAY SNIPPET
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SNIPPET FROM ABC7CHICAGO.COM
MAN BEATEN ON WEST SIDE WHILE ONLOOKERS YELL, 'DON'T VOTE FOR TRUMP'
Updated 4 mins ago
CHICAGO (WLS) -- Chicago police are searching for the people seen brutally beating a driver on the West Side. Video of the attack sparked outrage across the country.
Police said it started after a traffic-related argument Wednesday afternoon in the city's North Lawndale neighborhood.
The video shows 49-year-old David Wilcox under attack by a group of teenagers who pulled him out of his car in the 1100-block of South Kedzie Avenue in the city's North Lawndale neighborhood.
Yeah, they're just fooling. No worries at all. Next time I don't like something I guess I'll go break out car windows and attack people.
http://abc7chicago.com/news/man-beaten-on-west-side-while-onlookers-yell...
END OF SNIPPET FROM ABC7CHICAGO.COM
There's video of the beating at the link. And the laughing.
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Yeah, nothing to see here. They're just letting off a little steam.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
So, the protests have turned violent. What's your point?
0.62% of our citizens signed a petition (I did not sign it, in case you are wondering). Again, what's your point?
And, irrespective of whoever wins in the electoral college, how do you feel about the electoral college?
That's another thing
I have a problem with--the drumbeat to abolish the EC has gotten real loud again.
Way, way too scripted is the point I get out of this, and I happen to agree, but I'm guessing YMMV....
Can't people spontaneously do things?
I have a classmate who voted for Jill Stein and is participating in these protests for whatever reason. She says that it's worth it since there's sixty-some days until he's inaugurated.
I don't see the point, but it looks like fun: you get to exercise your First Amendment rights; march around while shouting slogans; meeting new people; and just feeling energized and shit.
Meanwhile, Trump is pretty much unfazed by these demonstrations.
Are they all getting their heads kicked in
or otherwise being generally abused at the hands of the local law enforcement?
They appear more
to be demonstrations of petulance, rather than rage. Ill-timed and misdirected. Are they hoping to provoke an over-reaction from the authorities? Pat Lang thinks that "it is the nature of the Left, which is in permanent revolution, to overplay its hand."
native
I've been arguing against the Electoral College
since I found out about it. 38 years, I guess? My personal opinion is to strike while the iron is hot.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Yeah, get rid of the EC for the next election.
I will be pissed if Kanye West wins the popular vote but loses the electoral vote.
You know what's going to happen, right?
In the next election the candidate we like will get more electoral votes but lose the popular. Never fails. Not that it would influence me. The concept of electoral college seems very wrong and unfair to me, maybe because I learned about it as an adult. (I didn't go to school in the US so no civics classes.)
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
SO the protests have turned violent, what's MY point?
My point is that contrary to your flippant attitude, it is more than a harmless little 'protest'.
Now I guess violent protests aren't a thing. Good to know. Most people, myself included, have been laboring under a totally different point of view. I thought that violent protests were illegal and destructive. Glad you straightened me out on that one. I guess that means next time a few of us get angry, we can got out and beat up people and burn up cars. Thank you for that information.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Well, I'm sorry that you somehow misunderstood me.
Is it the fact that the protests have become violent or the fact that they're protesting Trump that upsets you?
Also, I wasn't "informing" you of going out and beating people up or trashing property. That's something you inferred. Perhaps I wasn't clear. My attitude towards this protest is one of indifference.
Ravesnword send me a very lovely private message and
was so gracious in thinking that she/he might have offended me in some way. And I in turn apologized for my impatience and snark.
Why do I mention this? Because I've never been anywhere else where people do things like that. Have their skirmishes and then have the consideration to tell each other that they are really an ally and a board mate. We might disagree with each other but we should hold no grudges and we are in this fight together.
Thank you Ravensword. Thank you very much.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
One clarification:
I don't think Socialist Alternative is crap; far from it. I do, however, disagree with some of their tactics, because I see them as driving away large swathes of allies because we don't belong to "politically correct" groupings. (In other words, Oliver Velez Syndrome.)
I think that if SA would migrate its stance more towards mainstream anti-capitalism and away from the territory of Injustice Collection, they would perform a serious service for our country and for the whole of humanity.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I am beginning to see firsthand how “color revolutions” work.
Is this another case of regime-change techniques our secret agencies have always used abroad, now being applied at home?
Are we all Ukrainians now?
There are disturbing similarities.
native
I think this is the same
I think this is the same group that pushed/started Bernie or Bust. I think they had a petition up once that I signed. If you happened to sign the petition, that might be why you were on their list.
That's possibly how it happened although I don't remember
Bernie or Bust. But I did sign up for Brand New Congress though. And I went to Sanders meet-ups, especially the first big one after he went over to the Dark Side but that was because there were some great speakers at that meeting. Too bad Sanders caved.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Amanda, if you've ever contributed to Bernie via
Act Blue, your name, email, etc., could have been sold.
I posted a blurb about this many months ago. Act Blue 'owns' the information that they collect, when they are used as a go-between for fundraising--for any candidate, BTW, not just Bernie.
So, it's theirs to sell. So, maybe SA bought a mailing list from them.
Mollie
“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit and therefore– to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Not that either...
I have ActBlue on speed dial (a.k.a. "express donate" -- dangerous thing, that).
I've contributed to Sanders directly via his campaign website and through ActBlue. I've signed up with Brand New Congress, attended a meeting, donated. I didn't get the message. Would have noticed in my spam folder had it gone there -- Google Apps mail has an over-enthusiastic spam classifier and lots of legit email lands there, so I have to go fish it back out regularly. So I don't think that's the where the mailing list came from.
I voted for Kshama Sawant back when she was in my district, but didn't sign up with her campaign that I recall. I'm a small-s socialist, but haven't looked into any of the formal socialist or similar parties. But it seems folks are getting this message without having signed up with either Socialist Alternative or the Sawant campaign.
Curiouser and curiouser. But at least now we know who sent it.
Not sent to the Sanders or Stein mailing lists...
I am on both the Sanders and Stein mailing lists. I was a Sanders delegate at the precinct level, and maxed out donations to the Sanders campaign. I've been on his mailing list for years, long before the campaign. If this was backed by Sanders, or even from an illicit copy of one of his mailing lists, I'd have gotten it, and I did not. Also, Sanders would never ever ever send something like this. Seriously, never. Sanders is known for working across the aisle. He knows one gets nothing by screaming at someone that they're evil.
Amanda, what was the sender's email address? Is there a reply-to header? (To see other email headers, look for an option in your email app or website to show the raw message, or show the headers.) Is there a link to a website? (Caution -- maybe don't click the link...) I'd like to do a little digging to see what organization this actually is (if it's not spam).
clean links to the organization
Socialist Alternative is a legitimate organization, although it has the standard difficulties that most Marxist organizations operating in the USA have.
The link in this Comment is a straight and clean one to their website.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I don't think for one second that Sanders has anything to do
with this mess. He's a man who believes in the value of protesting, he's done enough of it himself. But NOT violent pointless protesting.
Would it be better to forward the whole thing to you? Can it be done through messaging on here? But maybe this is all you need.
MovementForThe99%
Let me know if you want the whole thing. There is no 'reply to' header.
I'll be damned. Part of it doesn't show up even though I am looking at it right now. That part is bryan@movement99.org. It's surrounded on each end by the signs for greater and lesser, you know the arrows. Does that make something NOT show up even though you can see it plainly on the screen.
Seriously, this is pissing me off. This iis about my 8th edit to try to get this crap to show up.
Screw it, I don't know what's going on here. I know about 'special' keys and words and signs, but these should work when I try to print them as an arrow --->
Well one finally worked. It's the little pointer without the dashes.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Heh, that's likely because angle brackets...
...are used around HTML tags, and we can use some HTML in this editor. You've likely noticed the HTML tags that get added for bold, italic, blockquote, etc. I'm going to guess one can use HTML character escape sequences to put in angle brackets, but let's try it... A left angle bracket, which is also a "less than" sign, can be written in HTML as ampersand l t semi-colon (with no spaces): < And this is ampersand g t semi-colon: >
Angle brackets around text is probably getting interpreted as a tag, but there's no HTML tag called bryan@movement99.org, so maybe the editor is a little confused.
Below the text box, there's a link "More information about text formats" but it doesn't cover escape sequences.
This shows the three things that have to be escaped, and what to put in instead, more clearly than above:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7381974/which-characters-need-to-be-e...
Anyhow, let me post this and we'll see if the escape sequences show up.
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