About That Dakota Access Pipeline

First lets get Hillary Clinton's viewpoint

We received a letter today from representatives of the tribes protesting the construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline. From the beginning of this campaign, Secretary Clinton has been clear that she thinks all voices should be heard and all views considered in federal infrastructure projects. Now, all of the parties involved—including the federal government, the pipeline company and contractors, the state of North Dakota, and the tribes—need to find a path forward that serves the broadest public interest. As that happens, it’s important that on the ground in North Dakota, everyone respects demonstrators’ rights to protest peacefully, and workers’ rights to do their jobs safely.

Just another triangulated position?

Then you look at who is financing Energy Transfer Partners LP

The investigation, published by research outlet LittleSis, names more than two dozen major banks and financial institutions helping to finance the Dakota Access pipeline. It details how Bank of America, HSBC, UBS, Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, JPMorgan Chase and other financial institutions have, combined, extended a $3.75 billion credit line to Energy Transfer Partners, the parent company of Dakota Access.

So what some would say

I would note

In total, the two gave 729 speeches from February 2001 until May, receiving an average payday of $210,795 for each address. The two also reported at least $7.7 million for at least 39 speeches to big banks, including Goldman Sachs and UBS, with Hillary Clinton, the Democratic 2016 front-runner, collecting at least $1.8 million for at least eight speeches to big banks.


That's $154m for just chatting

As for the Clintons Foundation?

The charitable foundation run by Hillary Clinton and her family has received as much as $81m from wealthy international donors who were clients of HSBC’s controversial Swiss bank.

Leaked files from HSBC’s Swiss banking division reveal the identities of seven donors to the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation with accounts in Geneva.

Now I wouldn't do a two plus two exercise even when the answer does indeed to appear to be 4

However, I refuse to bury my head in the sand when the interactions are so obvious and the statement so triangulated.

People who claim that money is not a driver in this type of interrelationship are deluding themselves completely, in another age this would have been referred to as a syndicate and corruption mentioned in passing. It may be "legal" [in the modernistic greed fuelled sense of the term]; but sometimes the law is an ass when the answer is as clear as day.

This is what to expect from day one if Hillary wins, smooth rhetoric followed by a stab in the back.

Ah but, but


Russians!
Trump!
Russians!!!!!

repeat until you are blue all over.

I do hope Democrats realize what they are voting for, I do however have my doubts. After all we will need the banks to provide the funds for the continuing and upcoming wars and to finance the Clintons when once again the leave the White-House "broke".

What a miserable mess we have made for ourselves by voting in the "lesser of two evils", this has to stop.

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Alligator Ed's picture

I want to remind you that the Native Americans are really secret Russians having been deported from Mother Russia by Ivan the Terrible. This is a well-known fact to James Carville and other top Russian scholars. But for some strange reason, the transplanted Russkies have maintained a fierce loyalty to the country from which they were deported. Political scientists have postulated this is due to a gigantic culture-wide Stockholm Syndrome from which these red-skinned Russian expatriates suffer. This fact about the origins of the so-called "native americans" is actually to be blamed on the FBI, which Mr. Carville will tell you is subservient to the KGB.

Now, in order for the pipeline to be built it had to routed away from the Uranium deposits which Ms. Clinton is selling to the Russkies (shhh! The Hillbots will probably deny this as Putin Propaganda).

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lol

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First Nations migrated to the US from Siberia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_t...

And we all originated with the Kalahari Bush people.

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lotlizard's picture

And somehow us pawns keep getting rooked. O–O

Drawn by perpetual check — for an eight-figure amount, made out to the Clinton Foundation.

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so proud to be working for him, or volunteering, or whatever it is that I'm supposed to be doing for him.

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sojourns's picture

Statler and Waldorf. The Muppet Show hecklers.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

riverlover's picture

in real-time. Lima beans, soaked overnight, looking soaked. Good to go with new hydration. And now perhaps my rangetop/oven drop-in will be the last of my original appliances to dinosaur? Attempt #2 underway.

This country is a mess. Two major candidates for POTUS have further fanned flames. Thus, dried beans here. Stock up. But don't scorch them.

Peace would be a goal. And a clear vision forward, not given by either. Stuck in neutral, static time, tires spinning, natives are unhappy being shot at.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

how high the flame war has been fanned by both sides of that right of centre fictive aisle.

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Now, all of the parties involved—including the federal government, the pipeline company and contractors, the state of North Dakota, and the tribes—need to find a path forward that serves the broadest public interest.

That sounds like Lawyer for pro-business.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

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would of course include the interest of the various banks financing this pipeline. They have after all, been very generous in helping Hillary maintain the lifestyle to which she has become accustomed.

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native

would of course include the interest of the various banks financing this pipeline. They have after all, been very generous in helping Hillary maintain the lifestyle to which she has become accustomed.

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native

Jobs! Not just in energy sector either. In infrastructure! and housing construction! and seismology! and disaster recovery! and wildlife rehabilitation!

Just think of all that economic development!

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You keep using that word...

did NOT control in who's interest our government was working for. Voting for the LOTE is only one of the more recent mechanisms. Human's, including some of the 'most intelligent' among us, are very easily manipulated for a variety of reasons. This is not likely to change any time soon, which is why we are most likely going to see more of the same nonsense that this election cycle has so liberally provided for many years to come.

It will likely take massive suffering of a large portion of the populace to dislodge ignorance, wishful thinking and denial from their popular pedestals and allow a critical mass of the population to realize just how badly we've been lied to and abused by those clutching the reins of power.

In the meantime I'll vote my conscience and wait for the mass awakening that I will be unlikely to see in my lifetime.

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“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024

As I said yesterday if a candidate had a D or and R after their name they were ignored.

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sooner than you would believe, actually. Not knowing how old you are(and Not speculating), my prognosis is two years before shit blows up. Of course, it could happen before then. In which case I'M full of shit.
Oh wait. . .

peace

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march

My presumption is that it will take the mass displacements, starvation and global resource wars, driven by climate change and rising oceans, to force people to recognize the deep shit that we are already mired in. Political or ideological differences simply won't supply the necessary horsepower to dislodge us from our stupor. My guess is that that will take another 20+ years, but science could still be underestimating the speed of global climate changes so it could be significantly sooner.

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“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024

jwa13's picture

so the two-year speculation offered (above) by TB&U might be approximately correct --

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When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.

Christine.MI's picture

says it's happening faster than they projected. I believe I'll see it in my time. I'm early 50's. And I'm scared.

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Cassiodorus's picture

Here's Hillary's real viewpoint: "Where's your quid pro quo arrangement or your six-figure donation to the Foundation? Why do you matter?"

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“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris

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just right.

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Lenzabi's picture

As another poster/author has written, Don is his name, scholarly old fella, we are not seeing the road we are on, and where it leads up ahead, and likely sooner than we'd like.......all of this "all for the corporates and 1% is the highway to extinction for Humanity"

I'll let that sink in.

This election thing is part of our collective illness, we are so focused on the short term we cannot grasp the long-term effects of voting LOTE has and will continue to have for the health of our biosphere and our species/culture/civilization. Looking at present patterns, it will not be long before my signature will hit home as it is not just a joke, but warnings were ignored, tipping points passed by, Humanity has made it's bed and must lie in it.

If we cannot learn to fix things here, why should we be allowed to go to other planets and muck those up as well?

Climate change will bring out the droughts, mega storms, food and water shortages, Oh we may develop a decent De-salinization/purification method and then drink the oceans up, but the fish gone, the plankton gone, the oceans De-oxigenated,,,,,70% of all our atmosphere comes from there, dead oceans means death for the biosphere, the oil spills, the fracking damage, the methane and carbon loads, forest burned to plant palm trees, the factories and coal plants, us, the animals and vehicles using up the air from the 30% of air made by grasses and trees.

So, where does that leave Humanity?

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So long, and thanks for all the fish

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Lenzabi's picture

Yes, Soylent Green for the masses, what real food there be will be for the wealthy.

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So long, and thanks for all the fish

Lily O Lady's picture

for years now. I will be delicious.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

sojourns's picture

and the rightful stewards of that land. The indigenous natives, Hillary, you moron. But first, we kill all the lawyers.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
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jwa13's picture

... but let's maybe make an exception for hecate, who seems to be a deep-thinking and caring humanist first, and an attorney somewhere much further down the chain (probably just to keep bread on the table).

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When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.

shaharazade's picture

he is a writer who works for attorneys writing legal briefs to keep people out of jail.

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sojourns's picture

try and keep Clinton out of jail.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

sojourns's picture

but I like it. I have known a couple of lawyers over the years that should be spared. Environmental law attorneys on the correct side of the argument, also, a guy that specialized in getting the most money for people about to be screwed by eminent domain proceedings. But most that I've known (I used to live in D.C. blech) are an arrogant lot who are absolutely convinced that they are smarter than everyone else and are in it only for the mula.

So. Who do we kill second?

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
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shaharazade's picture

it would certainly get rid of all the pols as they are mostly all bent lawyers. Maybe 'the too big to fail' and the vulture capitalist's house of cards would collapse without the lawyer pols who feed and water the casino. Looks to me like people globally are all saying enough is enough. I vote for anarchy.

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sojourns's picture

The congress is comprised of some 99% lawyers and/or professional politicians. What we need is a congress that is at least 50% Phd.s from all walks. Everything from philosophy to physics to agriculture sciences, geologists, medical doctors, languages, linguists and last but not least, music and the arts.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

Cachola's picture

And not that much accountability and all of them would be just as crooked.

Added: It's the politician part that becomes crooked. I have known dozens, if not hundreds of morally upright, honorable lawyers. Politicians, on the other hand, have a way of abandoning their principles quite easily and start caring about money and money for re-lections.

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Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.

sojourns's picture

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

Cachola's picture

Boehner, Mccain, Reagan, both Bushes, Cheney, Tom Coburn, Rand Paul and his daddy before him, not lawyers.

Candidates Trump, Palin, Ben Carson: not lawyers. I don't think they would be better than any lawyer

Oh, according to the Washington Post, only 36.5% of the congresscritters are lawyers.

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Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.

sojourns's picture

so that leaves the rest that you named as ersatz replacements!

Boehner: Professional alcoholic with mommy issues.
McCain: Failed fighter pilot who crashed two planes before being shot down over Nam. His father was an admiral otherwise he would have washed out after the first crash.
Bush Sr.: CIA criminal mastermind.
George the Lesser: Cocaine and booze addled brain. Master of general buffoonery. Suffered near accidental death trying to figure out the centerfold of a men's magazine.
Cheney: Son of escaped Nazi. Was born in Argentina. Puppet master and firearms marksman.
Tom Coburn: Received mail order medical degree from the Joseph Mengle School of Medicine and Eugenics. Closeted homosexual. Will probably die from auto erotic asphyxiation episode.
Rand Paul: Living proof that some people should avoid hallucinogens altogether. Better suited to work in a sewage treatment facility or as a séance medium.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
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Mark from Queens's picture

These are the majority of our elected officials? Think about that...

Any wonder why The Law, which we are indoctrinated into looking at solemnly and with awe as the cornerstone of our democratic society, has become nothing more than a smokescreen to protect these wealthy people in Congress, their donors and criminal business friends, while keeping the unwashed masses embroiled in an ever-churning and cascading mess of petty fines, late fees, court appearances, parking tickets and increased tolls, police harassment, hounding collection agencies and insurance premium hikes?

Every step of the way is polluted. The bills are literally, if not flat out written by the corporations and banks, then submitted to them for approval before going before Congress. They're now hundreds if not thousands of pages long, for the express purpose of hiding little loopholes here and there, knowing that nobody will actually read the whole thing, which will then be passed in the dead of night to ensure so.

This odious Fine Print Culture has seeped down into every facet of our culture, rendering our lives over to the quagmire of an over-litigious society in which for even the smallest, most innocuous purchase, such as even downloading a song online, one has to "agree" to sign the release form. Even entering a public space now has some annoying legalese plastered on the wall before you enter. Ugh. How did we get here?

All thanks to the lawyer culture that exploded in the 80's. "I Sue For You" was a license plate on Long Island I'll never forget seeing growing up. Dime a dozen, herds of fresh-out-of-law-school douchebags chasing ambulances and encouraging anyone who even slightly scratched their knee on someone's sidewalk to call them, because they're entitled to a Big Pay Day. This mentality stills runs through and ruins our country to this day. Get-Rich-Quick replaced E pluribus unum.

As my favorite lawyer, and perhaps one of the only honest ones, William Kustler said, "the law is a lie. It is there to protect rich people and their property from poor people." His whole career is a testament to one who sought to upturn the falsehood that the law is there to ensure that people have equal access to justice. We don't.

I told a friend one of many reasons I would like to see Jill Stein as President is that she is a musician and a doctor. How about that? She spent her life healing and caring for people, and also sings and plays music, one of the highest expressions of the human experience. Vaclav Havel became President of the Czech Republic, I said, and he was a playwright and author. I'd like to see a lot more people from the arts, science, writers, farmers, academics running our government. It would make a world of a difference, from improving interpersonal relationships to a lesser focus on status and materialism.

It's a non-brainer why we're stuck in this horrific dog-eat-dog world of unbridled capitalism. The better, more humane and compassionate folks are not attracted to the "game" as it is now, and/or aren't welcomed by the self-satisfied, arrogant money makers who do not want disruption from doing the bidding of their donors, which in turn pays off their summer homes, rental properties and vacations.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

Christine.MI's picture

Oops! By bro-in-laws are lawyers. Heh, not my fave people anyway...

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divineorder's picture

Crisis for Big Oil: Bakken/DAPL exploiters in trouble

By Deirdre Griswold posted on November 2, 2016

SNIP

But today’s crisis goes even deeper. Human labor is being displaced by technology so rapidly that the further existence of capitalism itself is called into question. At the same time, climate change is deepening this crisis.

As capitalist entities are compelled — often kicking and screaming — to acknowledge the existence of global warming and begin to back off from fossil fuels, the corporations that have ruled the roost, morphing from oil companies into global banks and other financial institutions, are faced with a humongous problem.

In another article directed at Wall Street, the Times on Oct. 26 wrote in “A New Debate Over Pricing the Risks of Climate Change” that the Securities and Exchange Commission, acting on behalf of big investors, is pressing companies like Exxon Mobil to disclose the true value of their assets, given the risks of climate change to their business.

“Advocates of fuller corporate disclosure say the sums at stake are vast,” reported the Times. “Even under a plan that would limit warming to 2 degrees Celsius — a goal agreed to as part of the Paris deal — climate change could wipe out $1.7 trillion of global financial assets, according to a peer-reviewed study published earlier this year in the journal Nature.”

The colossus that is the oil industry has feet of — not clay — but shale rock and tar sands. This should give heart and comfort to the defenders of Native nations and the environment, as it hastens the day of reckoning for these corporate exploiters and despoilers of the Earth.

There is a bill in Congress to keep the SEC from requiring this.... Needs to be stopped.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

Alligator Ed's picture

If completed, this expensive and environmentally dangerous project would provide only 40 permanent jobs. And the shale oil it carries is not competitive at today’s prices.

Wow! what a boon to the middle class--40 whole jobs--not 39 but 40! But I forget to include makers of houseboats, air conditioners, desalinization facilities, marathon swimmers, trained seals and otters.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu