The Political Stockholm Syndrome
You supported Bernie in the primaries. Are you supporting Hillary now? Will you vote for her?
There's a difference between voting for her and supporting her. I will most certainly vote for Hillary Clinton. No, I do not remotely support her. I will be looking to fight her on day one.
That's a mighty fine piece of twaddle or faux-logic if you prefer.
To my mind it's a bit like "I will surrender to keep up the fight".
If I was cruel, I would just say it was utter bullshit and self deception in abject defeat whilst still trying to keep your viewers.
If I am kinder I would say it is the sheer weight of having to hold your nose when voting has deceived you that it doesn't really matter, because you can somehow still fight back.
How has that worked?
Obama's only "success" was to pass a piece of slightly modified Republican legislation bizarrely called the "Affordable Care Act" whilst ditching virtually every progressive idea before it was even presented. Well, at least we avoided "worse" in the primaries last time around, this worse is now being presented as the "lesser of the two evils".
We will fight her from a pre-lost position, its like an army deliberately marching into a box canyon with enemy artillery all around the cliff tops. Hmm, "charge of the light brigade" " into the valley of death" ring any bells? Anyone?
Cenk has repeated the common "mantra" of self-delusion, it seems to have magical properties as every 4 years it comes right back into the fore. To avoid repeating it ad infinitum one has to stop using it completely.
During the primary she said to us "children, you cant have good things because you are silly"
During the Presidential debate she tried to make Trump appear just as much of a warmonger as she is.
Her "supporters" are just non stop attacking a buffoon rather than making a case of why she would be a good president, because in their heart of hearts they know she wont. If they have to attack the left in so doing, well there is always fun in that.
Every non vote for Hillary is two votes for Trump!
The only way to stop this fiasco is to say, enough is enough.
You may think the candidates are bad enough this time around, what about the next? No doubt the "not as bad" mantra will once again be dusted off and given new magical sprinkles.
Never forget!
Surrendering now means we can still fight on!
Oh wait.......
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Hollywood can work wonders
this is what she normally looks like
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
asdf
There are people who agree with us on how awful HRC that see how a Trump presidency will spike racist/hate crimes as they've done post-Brexit in the UK. Voting against that guaranteed outcome is certainly a moral act.
But they're completely wrong.
It's Clinton's presidency that will spike racist/hate crimes. So much so that it frightens me.
These sorts of murders and abuse will increase under Trump; they will increase much more under Clinton. Much more.
What's the one thing that drives a violent racist? What is most likely to make them turn to violence?
They think they are hard done by. They are angry because they think they have been cheated out of something that is their birthright.
So, in a brilliant move, Black leadership has made Hillary Clinton their standard-bearer, and the new, unlikely face of the fight against racism. An incredibly unpopular figure, believed widely to be an untrustworthy, corrupt liar, who is now also widely believed to have committed election fraud, cheating her way into the nomination.
What happens when Trump's supporters believe--as they almost certainly will--that she cheated her way into the Presidency? Denying their candidate the win they think he deserves (and for all I know, might deserve--so far, there's no evidence Trump has cheated.) What happens when their fantasies of being cheated out of something they deserve actually come true? Or even appear to? And who's going to be the counterbalance for them when they react in violence? At least, when hate crimes spiked under Obama, Obama began as a generally popular and trusted figure. People despise Hillary. And the media has been saying, over and over again, that Black and Latino people, but especially Black people, are responsible for her making it this far. How is that going to play to the racists, when it's no longer "Crazy Bernie" who is being cheated out of his rights, but their own leader?
And then Black people, or at least their leadership, will turn to Hillary for help. And she'll make a few insincere speeches and tell them to kick rocks. Or alternatively, use the wave of violence as an excuse to ratchet up the police state some more, making a few extremely visible busts for the TV, and leaving the overall situation as it is. There's no way she's going to pull an Eisenhower or a Kennedy and actually attempt to make the racist murder stop. Where's the profit in that?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Thu, 09/29/2016 - 12:56pm —
Thu, 09/29/2016 - 12:56pm — CantStoptheSignal
Hey, Hillary's shown that she's cool with doing both! OnlyRichLivesMatter#
Not to mention that there's an alternate for first female President which we can all actually - literally - live with.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
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Nor can one dismiss that Hillary is Trump, with better message control and better hairdo. Google "Hillary Clinton C Street" if you want a good look at the Dominionists' positioning for power under her regime.
This question possesses an honest, factual answer: Hillary WILL increase the threat of death to their children to the same degree or worse. The only difference is venue. With Trump, the violence is more likely to be domestic, occurring on our own soil; with Hillary, the violence will be in foreign lands with oil our Owners want sitting under their soils. The net effect, however, is identical: the same young Serf kids, principally brown and black, will end up equally dead either way.
"Any two things, both equal to the same third thing, are equal to each other." -- Euclid of Alexandria
False. Not voting for either Tweedledum OR TweedledumBER is no luxury; it is a nationwide moral imperative.
Markos Moulitsas is apparently living in your head rent-free, amice. Kindly please evict his sorry ass. Thank You from a grateful humanity!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
eh?
"Markos Moulitsas is apparently living in your head rent-free, amice. Kindly please evict his sorry ass. Thank You from a grateful humanity!"
Nasty.
You can read my other responses and apologise later.
The "White Privilege" Meme is starting to get on my nerves
Especially since I'm living on a thousand dollars a month of Social Security Disability. Privileged, spoiled pasty-faced ingrates like myself are squarely in Trump's crosshairs. Still voting for Stein.
Just because someone comes from the college/creative class background normally associated with the Greens is no guarantee that they're actually well-off or even "privileged" in any meaningful sense of the word.
I don't blame people in swing states for choosing to go with HRC. By the same token, I won't lecture Stein people in those states for building a 3rd party alternative (which is what I see this current Green presidential campaign factually amounting to).
Yeah, the poverty exception is often overlooked
White Privilege definitely exists in this country and it does benefit everyone perceived as white by the system. Until you cross that system. One that can then be withdrawn - McCarthy blacklists, civil rights workers in the south, being too leftwing anytime in US history.
Your last paragraph is where I am.
As an Irishman traveling in and through the UK I have had the experience that African Americans have with law enforcement here. Obviously wasn't shot but being Irish in the UK, even after the Troubles is still an insight into being a minority in the US.
the "White Privilege" meme
Why, I resemble that remark (exactly)!
Most applications of any "privilege" meme are race-baiting aimed at white people, pure and simple. Many examples are to be had at TOP, especially from the keyboards of the local proprietor, Denise Oliver Velez, and Brooklyn Bad Boy. Although people of color, their use of our "favorite" meme is doing the KKK's evil deeds for them, making friends and allies into enemies.
It is a meme that clean needs to die, yesterday, with respect to any ordinary 99%ers. (YMMV if one happens to carry a badge and a gun, for obvious reasons.)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Privilege
Sure, there are many forms of privilege. The only one that really matters though is money. Money, or lack thereof, overrides all other forms of privilege. People are so focused on the easy-to-target identity politics forms of race and sex, yet nearly complete ignore the most important one. It's maddening.
That's one of the major reasons I supported Bernie. Focusing on lifting people out of poverty would solve most of the problems faced by women and minorities. Instead, Hillary will keep most of those unprivileged people begging at the feet of her rich old white friends. And that's the reality of why the establishment had to stop Bernie, because his focus actually would have fixed societal woes, and they can't have that.
The thing that has struck me most about
the "privileged" slur is that the people slinging it are engaging in pure projection.
I get $1000/month SSD - and Medicare - because I'm on dialysis; if my husband was ever unable to work, we would go under and quickly. But all my friends who make that accusation (whether gently or cruelly) are all financially comfortable. They have paid-off homes on acreage. They have union pensions. They can afford boats. Horses. Scuba and underwater photography gear. Multiple vacations every year. Neither my husband nor I have had a single vacation. Ever. We didn't even get a honeymoon; I was still working then and took off a Monday for a long weekend (and my boss objected to that).
In other words, their comfy financial existence is threatened by a Trump presidency. My actual survival - financial and otherwise - is threatened either way.
Yet I'm the "privileged" one. Well, I'm going to take that privilege and use it to vote for Jill Stein.
"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain
Couldn't agree more! (As
Couldn't agree more! (As usual, lol.)
What much of this 'open season on Black and other darker-coloured citizens' boils down to are (in the US, often heavily media-conditioned) bullies going after those perceived as being most vulnerable - because too poor to purchase justice.
US citizens of darker skin have long been discriminated against and often effectively locked off into more dangerous/polluted jobs/areas with poorer educational facilities and are therefore more often in the poorest/most vulnerable groups - and are therefore readily identified by police bullies as likely poor and vulnerable by skin colour, as attire can mislead and is not always a reliable guide as to who it's safe for police to harass, assault, falsely arrest or murder while maligning their victims to 'justify' their crimes - not that skin colour is always a reliable guide to 'safe' 'mistaken identity/Breathing While Black' out-of-the-blue police abuses of the citizenry either. But skin colour's been instilled as a cultural signal especially in certain police departments as to how any citizen is treated.
There's a reason that Jewish people and others were marked with mandatory symbols in Nazi Germany - to make them instantly recognizable as subject to abuse without likely negative consequences.
People are not 'privileged' by not being (currently - wait for corporate law to kick in under the TPP et al) routinely beaten up, falsely arrested or shot by the police they pay to protect them in what's supposed to be a democracy, or by not being actively discriminated against in what's supposed to be a democratic society.
These behaviours and the concept of only the privileged not being subject to public servant's abuses mark a fascist culture, one where pathological corporate interests effectively control governmental policies and attitudes and control the people via a police/security state, rather than a democracy where legitimate government is to be of, for and by the people, with equal rights, treatment and opportunity for all, as is the basis of law and legitimate government enshrined within the US Constitution, traitorously ignored by those in contravention of it.
Time to start swatting the traitors upside the head with that rolled up Constitution to dust it off, prior to unrolling it to start demanding those Constitutional rights and restrictions on government overreach be fully applied for the first time.
And before the pretense that a transitory public servant can simply dispose of all that by signing a private agreement with hostile forces is enacted into illegal and unconstitutional 'law' enforced by ruthless outside powers through what's no longer even pretending to be your own government, merely corporate employees.
The powers granted to the offices of public administration are delegated by the people to whom the country belongs and are not owned by the transitory holder of any office to be surrendered to anyone but the people or, where applicable, representatives (actually) acting in the public interest to be again assigned/delegated to be used in the public interest.
The American government exists for the public good of the American people, not to drain them for corporate profits - or to 'grant rights'???!!! to 3rd parties to sue them into bankruptcy for not supplying their anticipated maximized future profits at the cost of their freedom, basic citizen/human rights,, democracy/domestic law, human, animal and environmental health and lives.
Bernie knows and has fought life-long toward the goal of actual democracy in a responsible society - and Jill is the only Presidential candidate now running who's not actually planning on acting against it.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
White privilege is an insidious device
used by overprivileged white people to erase their privielges, most of which they enjoy at the expense of others. White privilege allows them to elevate poor white people to share the guilt that rests with the privileged. That is why you will find that very few struggling white people embrace the notion, while the comfortable class (especially their overweened young) use it as a bludgeon. it's a way to deflect attention from their struggle-free existences in mostly all white communities and schools and social groups, trading off of connections to get jobs and using money to get into the best schools (through the college admissions cottage industry that exists for them).
One can acknowledge that minorities may suffer injustices because of their skin color without having to embrace the leveling of socio-economic privilege under the banner of "white privilege." The perfect example of the problem with white privilege its prominent purveyor, Tim Wise. When challenged why a white man is educating people about white privilege and the minority experience, he replied, without the slightest bit of self-awareness: well, they will listen to me because I'm white. Yes, white privilege for he, but not for thee.
Thu, 09/29/2016 - 12:11pm —
Thu, 09/29/2016 - 12:11pm — gendjinn
But we do know that Hillary felt that a mayor who withheld video evidence of police murder of PoC so that the murders could continue was fit to retain his position showing that she's OK with even direct and routine police murder of darker-skinned citizens.
If everyone would support the only candidate still actively running (personally saving hope for/fantasy of some Bernie miracle myself) who isn't good with killing off life on the planet, Jill would win the most votes and we'd all have a chance at democracy, civilization and survival.
By running a 'greater evil' Trump in the other corporate party, they hope to stampede people to the atrocity, keeping everyone trapped in the two-corporate-party trade-off box for one last election while the corporate coup completes, with domestic law offshored for corporate profiteering - and citizens actively voting to have all rights and protections removed to become disposable corporate serfs in an unlimitedly industrially polluted and rapidly dying world seems rather counterproductive.
Mentioning Jill and suggesting that they look up her site might perhaps be an idea, as well as letting them know that Hillary has no problem with officials supporting police murder of citizens, could help save their lives, as well as everyone else's, once they know there is a Presidential option on the ballot which they can actually survive.
One not also all set for 'limited' nuclear attacks on multiple other people's countries - with Mutual Assured Destruction flattening North America as well in self-defense - evidently in case her other policies of unlimited industrial abuses by offshored corporate-profiteering 'law' wouldn't kill off life on the planet quickly enough.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
"You will get Dominionists in the cabinet, Joint Chiefs..."
"You will get Dominionists in the cabinet, Joint Chiefs, CIA, Supreme Court....."
Maybe you're unaware of the fact that Hillary Clinton was a member of the C Street, "The Family," up until she ran for president in 2008. Check out this article from Mother Jones, back before it became an arm of the NeoLiberal propaganda:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-hillary-clin...
The article was co-written by Jeff Sharlet, who wrote, "The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power."
What part of the mutually-feeding union between the Oligarchs and the Dominionists do you not understand? She only quit C Street because she was about to run for president... not to mention the fact that Rachel Maddow unearthed Sharlet's revelations about C Street, and got it removed from religious tax exempt status.
Sure, it's possible that Trump would turn over his administration to the Dominionists, since he selected Pence as VP, but his history doesn't suggest that his ego would do anything such thing. We all know that he picked Pence as a way of getting the evangelical vote. But we also know that he isn't driven by religion.
Hillary has a very long and embedded history w/ the monied AND religionist cabal.
Impeccable logic, Cenk
A little bit like advocating a regimen whereby you train a dog not to shit on your priceless Oriental rug by giving him a biscuit every time he does.
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Exactly!
Cenk Built The Turk Empire With Progressive Talk
It may end up being a flash in the pan once Progressives figure out he is willing to kiss the Oligarchs candidate's ass. Let's see if TYT survives this 180 degree turn.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Never much of a "fan", I tend not to like showmen very
much anyway.
In the article La Feminista linked
Cenk describes himself as left of center. In Europe, he is not even left.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I always found him to be
a self-satisfied gas bag with nothing insightful to say.
It's an occupational hazard that comes with
...any modicum of media success. See Al Franken and every climber on the "left" who reaches for the tinsel. You know who they are. They lose their moral compass out of fear they won't get invites to the A-List gatherings. So they try to walk the razor's edge. The left, the People, always notice and shrug.
Only a very few cleave to their principles. Those with a foot in the academic world are often cursed with intellectual honesty, that just won't go away. They tend to walk the talk for their own self-respect, and for the sake of the people.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Funny you should mention Al Franken...
I saw who he was when he disappeared from the Net Neutrality fight- when it came down to the wire- but was extra disgusted when he happy-slapped the podium at the Dem Convention, while Sarah Silverman was belittling the 'Bernie or Busters.' I thought, it's one thing for a comedian to say whatever shit they say, but it's entirely another for a U.S. Senator to pound the podium and laugh, while she's saying it. Completely inappropriate.
But then, I thought the entire Dem Convention was completely inappropriate. (See the names of the people who sponsored it)
I'm Ready for Oligarchy. The Choice is Clear. There is None.
At least that's what the TPTB want you to believe. I can not vote for the unqualified or the disqualified. A vote for Trump or Clinton is a wasted vote. #JillNotHill
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
How About a Poll?
I know most C99 posters are Jill Stein supporters, but would be interested to see what the level of support for other candidates is.
Poll courtesy of poll-maker.com
[My candidate, age 18]
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we're gonna clear out this site until only the right voters....
are left! I know of at least one site that actually did that.
Majority opinion is not the same thing as bullying
Disagreement isn't the same thing as an attack
DKos "cleared the wrong voters out" via organized, site-endorsed bullying and outright, old-fashioned censorship (Support any candidate but ours and we'll ban you.)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Well
At the risk of opening myself up to cries of objectification....
Jill was a rather fetching young lass, wasn't she?
She's a fetching older woman too,
I dare say.
Agreed
Cor, Blimey!
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
I think she's pretty hot, now, too.
Of course her intelligence, her compassion, her ability to see the big picture just throws gas on her 'hotness.'
92% for Stein as of right now
That's pretty much what I would have predicted and follows my own inclination. But a persons vote is theirs and theirs alone and they can vote for whomever they want for whatever reason, motivation or strategy they want.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
That was fun, just wish those
That was fun, just wish those were nation-wide results:
Poll results: 72% Jill; 2 each Trump and Hill; 4 not voting.
Response pie - 91% Jill
I could live with splatter from that pie... can't possibly live through the 'limited nuclear war'-crimes and 'trade deal' corporate coup 'corporate law' enforcing universal industrial pollution and poisoning, unsafe products and workplaces and the military capture of the rest of the world not betrayed into economic capture; nothing will live long under that... or want to...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Thank you, Mouselander
for the Jill Stein high school picture. She has that intelligent, focused, determined look, even at young age.
So-called "journalists" keep denigrating her for not having won a state or federal office, but she keeps trying; she keeps her focus; she doesn't give up. And while that is a scary trait in a right-winger, it's one we see all too infrequently w/ a leftist.
I love her tenacity, coupled with a razor-sharp intellect and knowledge/compassion for medical science/foods/environment. She really sees the big picture.
Voting for Jill, Hoping Hill Loses
Neoliberalism must be utterly repudiated, and Clinton Inc is the quintessence of Neoliberalism. If Trump gets in, the re-action in 2020 will be vast, and we'll finally have a chance to get progressives in charge of the House, Senate, and White House. If HRC gets in, forget about any kind of progressive movement. We'll have her for eight years, then Chelsea will come along. If Trump is that bad, and these surrogates are so concerned at the prospect of him winning, let HRC drop out, and watch Bernie win in a landslide, taking the Senate and maybe even the House with him.
Semper ubi sub ubi
rec'd for the tagline
I also agree with the sentiment (Chelsea! Oh, Gawd!)
The Chelsea thing terrifies me
You can already see it happening. She being paraded around, put in front of the press and I can already hear the supporters. She's been working her whole life this. She was born for this moment. There has never been a person more qualified to be president. It's her turn! And the dynasty continues. I'm certain that within just a year or 2 she'll be running for a house seat or the Senate. It's going to be nearly impossible to destroy this dynasty. Thankfully, I probably won't be around to see it.
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
She'll be installed in the Senate, either in 2018
or 2020, and will run for President in 2024 or 2028.
And so the Circle of Life will go on.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Oh no, not another "give her exactly what she wants, but
then we'll be able to hold her feet to the fire". If you give her your vote now, she'll ignore you, thinking she'll always have your vote.
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We tried that with Obama in 2008
Mr. Hopey-Changey sold us all out and went even further to the right.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Exactly. It's the "where else are they gonna go?"
syndrome. If we don't go elsewhere this year, when we have two wildly unpopular candidates and somewhere else to go, then they'll never take us seriously.
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Ermm,.......... Mr Uygur
The candidate doesn't know or care. There's no 'Fcuk You' side option, next to the name, on the ballot. All the candidate knows, is that you voted for him/her. There's absolutely no leverage.
The candidate will go on his/her merry way, enjoying the result of your vote.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Love it, no FY side option! LMAO
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Razor sharp observations (nm)
Boggles the mind, doesn't it? Kind of a WTF moment IMO.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I was under same delusion and illusion
TOP and George Bush convinced me otherwise. I expressed the same opinion on TOP and was attacked. There is no dissent--one must fully renounce what Bernie stood for and fully support and re-invent Clinton. For once, I refused to drink the proverbial kool-aid.
But more instructive is George Bush The Lessor. He did not win the majority of the vote, and yet once in office he did whatever he wanted. Our system is winner take all, and Hillary will do the same if she wins as Bush did. The Left will be fucked by Clinton just as Obama did regardless of the vote margin. I remember the defense of Obama when he tracked right--oh oh oh, he is the president off all the people and must consider all the people. I thought, hey what the fuck, ain't I part of the people?
The excuse I always heard or saw was the '11th dimensional
chess vs. checkers' tired nonsense.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Yes, Obama was a seventh level master playing the long game
which turned out to be true, just not in the way we imagined, since he was playing against the 99%. The ACA, offering Social Security in budget negotiations, the Catfood Commission, TPP, etc.
The other argument that always went along with being the chess master was the contradictory and simultaneous argument that "he's only President! Congress creates the laws!" and then some situation came up where the White House sent "proposed legislation" to Congress, exposing even that con. Gee, you mean he could have done that all along with the ACA - sent some basic legislative guidelines with his fingerprints on them? Who knew?
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
I've always got a big kick out of his supporters.
If it's bad legislation or it bellies up somehow = Congress fault
If it's good legislation that does some good = Obama's responsible.
They're such tools.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Bad Candidates You Want?
How much lower can we stoop until we come up with a wrestling champion/porn star/monster truck racer like Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho from Idiocracy?
After Trump, that isn't far off.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
I thought that WAS Trump?
I thought that WAS Trump? Even if only to scare voters to Clinton?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
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It's tough when it's the media.
Really tough, to continue to view someone *in the media* as an ally when they spread her talking points.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
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The basic one: Trump is such a danger that we should all
ignore Hillary's bad points, which we can deal with later by opposing her once she's in office, and just stop Trump.
Bad Trump. Trump bad. Vote Hill! Urgh, urgh.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
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Will next time even matter?
Next time our self-destruction may already have become inevitable. At that point, in the scheme of things, it doesn't really matter if Kenny G becomes President.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Only too true, I'm afraid.
Only too true, I'm afraid.
People voting for a corporate party corporate pick candidate, this including the other pathological liar, the billionaire 'deal-maker' - or for the TPP-supporting Libertarian - are voting for the corporate coup making the rest of us into corporate serfs in a world existing only for the maximized anticipated future profits of thousands of corporations/billionaires until life/oxygen production expires within decades from unlimited corporate/military pollution/destruction and other abuses protected in off-shored corporate 'law' where nothing but those maximized profits has standing and the people and environment have no protection again any/all corporate abuses.
Government is supposed to be the united power of the people against such depredation, not an arm of the corporate/billionaire con artists... but if a faked election is bothered with again, it'll be of direct corporate management, if this Bush-initiated, Hillary-promoted corporate coup Obama's shoving through goes down.
The next President this time needs to be Bernie or Jill - they're the only ones who will even try to fight for democracy and survival.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
"Government is supposed to be the united power of the people...
"Government is supposed to be the united power of the people against such depredation, not an arm of the corporate/billionaire con artists."thomas
Every one of our greatest presidents have decried the power of corporations, starting w/ George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson--and then Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Rooselvelt, FDR, Eisenhower..
etc..
I think that's a great idea.
I bet if Kenny G were able to be on the ballot in all states *right now* about 40% of the electorate would vote for him over Hillary and Trump.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DkLTV0GccY]
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I live in NY, so I don't
I live in NY, so I don't 'have to' vote for her, and I won't.
Bernie won my county; I did my part.
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