you're seeing clearly.

When you live in the mentirocracia, those can feel like the same thing.

Raggedy Ann and Andy down that rabbit hole. So many of us here in this community are all in this reality fantasyland together. How do we get out? The Queen of Hearts must be stopped. The rest will follow.

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Opposing Hillary because she is a Republican neocon/neoliberal warmonger is not right wing. Opposing her because she is a Democrat (nominally, anyway) is RW. That it's opposing Hillary in both cases doesn't mean both are right wing anymore than it means both are left wing.

As for that lying FBI weasel sell out, Comey, every American should want him tarred and feathered, starting with Harvard Law School. How embarrassing for Harvard that a Harvard Law grad pretends he is that clueless about criminal intent.

I have noticed that I no longer care who is saying something so long as it is reasonable and provable.

...Judicial Watch for a while. Then I noticed that even though they call themselves non-partisan, they concentrate on investigating and prosecuting HRC. I wrote them to ask why they concentrated on Hillary, but not the very real crimes of the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice regime which lied us into the monstrous war in Iraq and the break down of the Middle East.
They have not replied.

If you are to the right of Clinton, you oppose her, sometimes for fact-based reasons (there are plenty). If you are to the left of Clinton, you oppose her, frequently for fact-based reasons. This is a property of staking out the centrist position - you have opposition on both sides. And yes, in the cases where the right's opposition is fact-based we will find ourselves agreeing with them on that one thing, it doesn't mean that we are "on the same side" as they are in any other respect. Should you be wary when you find yourself agreeing with Drudge? Of course! Do your homework, it might be fact-based.

Much of what we read and will continue to read about Hillary and yes even Bill Clinton in the main stream mass media will be hagiography, distraction, distortion. and censorship through omission. If she gets elected, even more so. The only place where there will any other view point and truth is in alternative outlets, and that includes now and then right wing alternatives.

In the normal course of events communicating with sane people, I would never use Breitbart as a source of legitimate information. But now and then it happens. A buddy pointed me at a Breitbart piece that turns out to be a very good overview of Hillary Clinton's policies and actions around H1b visas. It was actually based in good measure on attacks made by Obama in the 2008 primaries about Hillary calling herself the Senator of Punjab.

The article went further describing the financial ties of Indian outsourcers to you guessed it--the Clinton Foundation. And you guessed it, six figure speeches by Bill Clinton to these outsourcers.

But of course, in typical right wing fashion, they have to show their winger street creds by adding in a touch of crazy to the title which is: Senator from Punjab’: How Hillary Clinton Masterminded a Global Scheme to Replace American Workers. Clinton didn't mastermind a global scheme--what she did was pocket money for her campaign and personal money for her husband by selling influence knowing she was fucking over American workers.

But still the article from what I knew at the time of reading it, was in fact true. So just for kicks, some parts from the article:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/09/20/hillary-clint...

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Senate India Caucus, which anti-offshoring advocates say champions “issues important to India, including outsourcing and H-1B and L-1 visas.”

Clinton in 2005: “I am delighted to be the Senator from Punjab as well as from New York.”

Clinton has called for nearly doubling the controversial H-1B guest worker program—suggesting that American workers lack the skills to fill American jobs. She has also defended the cheap labor practices of an Indian outsourcing firm, to which the Clinton Foundation has financial ties: “We are not against all outsourcing; we are not in favor of putting up fences,” she said.

Shortly after the CEO of HCL—the Indian firm that helped lay off 250 American Disney workers in Orlando— called American tech graduates “unemployable”, Bill Clinton delivered a speech to HCL to the tune of nearly a quarter of a million dollars at Disney World in Orlando.

Reports note that Clinton has repeatedly “telegraphed” her support for a globalized world to the Indian community. At a conference of 14,000 Indian Americans, Bill Clinton extolled the virtues of “open borders, easy travel, easy immigration”.

In 2007, Barack Obama slammed “Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab)’s personal, financial and political ties to India… It’s all about the money,” his campaign wrote.

My favorite:

Indeed, in 2009, HCL caused a stir when its Chief Executive, Vineet Nayar, said that American tech grads are “unemployable”. As Daily Tech reported at the time:

Mr. Nayar, speaking before an audience of business partners in New York City, blasted American tech grads as ‘unemployable’. He elaborated that he views American tech grads as inferior to those from India, China, and Brazil as the Americans only want to ‘get rich’ and dream up ‘the next big thing. He says students from countries like India, China, and Brazil are more willing to put the effort into ‘boring’ details of tech process and methodology… Mr. Nayar also complains about the cost of training Americans. He says that most Americans are simply ‘too expensive’ to train.

The comments sparked outrage amongst the American tech community.

Yet just a few months after HCL’s then-CEO described American tech graduates as inferior to Indian tech grads, former President Bill Clinton accepted an invitation to speak at the company for a hefty fee. After Nayar’s anti-American tech worker comments, Clinton ultimately wound up delivering two paid speeches to HCL for a total of $375,000. The first speech was in April of 2010 and the second was in November of 2011.

Clinton delivered his November 2011 to HCL at Disney World in Orlando, Florida.

Almost exactly three years later, 250 American workers at that very same location at Disney World in Orlando Florida were informed that they would be replaced with Indian workers that HCL had helped bring into the country on H-1B visas.

If news journalists were allowed to do their jobs, one wouldn't have to go to all the different sites to get information. Where is the investigative reporting? Once the media became a big corporate entity, we lost something which helped us discern truth and deception.

I posted it a couple days ago... http://caucus99percent.com/content/judicial-watch-clinton-scandal-update...

Glad it's gotten the extra eyeballs.

I will always re-examine my beliefs whenever I find myself in agreement with the right-wing media. My go-to assumption is they're lying or at least slanting extremely.

But "liberals" have always been willing to watch or read a bigger variety of more news sources than "conservatives". So if the right wing decides to report real information for a change, I will look at it.

But trust no one. Double, nay triple, check and verify.

The right and left are united in our dislike of Hillary. Not to worry, that doesn't make you less of a socialist. Maybe relatively independent-thinking right wingers will become more socialist, as they realize that their lifestyles and incomes are falling down the rabbit hole and they are the new disempowered and disenfranchised.

I was reading earlier today - or maybe it was yesterday - a right-wing op-ed decrying the militarization of the police and denial of First Amendment rights. All I can say is, "it's about time". Some white boy must have gotten tased. Maybe as the corporations try harder and harder to enforce their plutocracy, the right wing will "get it" and join the left in opposing authoritarianism, because it will affect them more than it did in the past when the first victims were minorities.