I didn't think I "hated" hillary clinton. Then this.

Hate :- to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward; detest:

I guess I hate her....at least according to the definition....but take the hostile part out....keep the "dislike intensely and detest". OK, I kinda hate her....

and HRC's year and a half long coronation has battered my brain and our entire democracy to a pulpy mess. We're all caught in her gaslit soup and everywhere we turn is another burning lie. And because we want to save ourselves/the planet from such we are humiliated and psychologically abused while forced to watch our neighbors/friends manipulated as armies of henchmen for a now victimized democracy. Boo that.

Yay to caucus99% tho!

hate Hillary personally as well.

I think that sometimes happens and sometimes it doesn't and that it depends on how consistently and persistently you find yourself on the opposing side of someone's public stances. It also has to do with with the candidate's track record how much credibility you are willing to assign them when they take their public stances.

For instance, disliking just about every single thing GW Bush did in office, did translate into a personal dislike, at least it did for me. How could it not? I know I didn't go around talking about gee, I really disagree with W about torture, but he's still a great guy and I still would like to have a beer with him. No, because I found his policies repugnant, I found him repugnant. I really think I would have to be Mother Teresa to feel otherwise. And when you don't like someone, that often translates into ridicule - I know that lots of politically correct liberals came up with a lot of inventive nicknames and photoshops and jokes to vent their animus creatively concerning W. This is what happens naturally and organically when people oppose what people stand for.

Because that is what naturally happens in two-party bi-lateral us against them politics, a lot of liberals found themselves in a very tricky position when they got their first "uh oh" feelings about President Obama and his policies. President Obama presented a mixed bag, on one side was the underpinning to his Presidency that every American was and should always be proud of - his achieving the Presidency on his own merits in a massive wave election; he didn't win the Presidency because he was an African American, he won it because he was the best candidate. (A lesson totally lost on Hillary in her "glass ceiling" candidacy).

Because we did like the man initially while later coming to opposing many of his policies, Obama criticism on liberal or Democratic boards was always cloaked in a pre-emptive affirmation of personal approbation about what a great guy he was, as in "I like President Obama and I voted for him BUT . . ."

To be 100% accurate, this was also done in self-defense to inoculate oneself against the predictable storm of opposition that would arise at any criticism of PO as an expression of one's overt or covert racism. But as time as gone on, and more and more of Obama's policies have come to stand for positions we would have thought him to be against, he is losing his "nice guy" padding. Fewer if anyone preface their comments in that way currently because I think they no longer perceive him that way. Now he's just a politician instead of a symbol of America's renewal and optimism. Because his positions have been consistently bad as regards the issues concerning the 99%, like broad injustices committed in his administration, he is starting to reap some of the like kind of animus that was directed at Bush. Thems the breaks.

Now here comes Hillary. She starts off with a deficit in credibility. She has long been known as a windsock who follows polls, and someone who is capable of taking opposing stands at the same time. She's also seen as a tool of the oligarchs and speaks to them privately in speeches so god awful appalling she won't let us see them. She seems to like war and laughs about killing people people. She cloaks herself as a defender of women and children when a lot of women and children have been on the receiving end of some of her incredibly bad policies and actions. She is the absolute epitome of concealment of government activity while doing the people's business in her email. She has violated National Security. She and her campaign have never been shy about name calling people who are not in their camp as racist, or sexists, or "deplorable" or to do the worst kind of rumor-mongering. She possibly (probably) IMO used her public office for private gain in concert with her husband, and she could be a statue constructed in any corporate campus celebrating crony capitalism. Do we even know if she likes dogs?

Instead of anyone concerning themselves about whether people hate, dislike, mistrust, have concerns about, are hesitant of, or whatever politically correct frame you want to put it in, why not recognize that the real issue that there is little to like in a Hillary candidacy? She can say everything she needs to say to get elected, but most of know that she will immediately align with her real constituencies and the 99% will get austerity up the wazoo along with some token crumbs. I fervently hope I am wrong, but I doubt it.

so many times,"Don't hate. You're only hurting yourself, the person you hate doesn't care." So I try not to hate Her. I think revulsion better describes my feeling, and it's because I'm a lifelong Democrat that I feel that way. I can no longer believe in the party of FDR. The Clintons did that.

I do hate Trump, but Hillary is disgusting.

Well said, Azazello. I am a lifelong Democrat and my loyalties were always to the party, not the person. Since the Democratic party is no longer the party of FDR/JFK/RFK, I do not have a sense of obligation to support the Democratic candidate and will vote 3rd party (Stein) for the first time. Seeing what the Dem elite did to Bernie Sanders because he attempted to pick up the mantle of FDR challenged my loyalties to the party. I will vote only for Progressive Democrats until the party returns to its roots. There are many of us that feel this way, too. The Democratic party crapped on a sizable part of their base during the 2016 primary and some of them will not vote for Clinton. The Progressives worked very hard to get President Obama elected and when he did not provide the "Hope and Change", there was much disappointment because it was apparent that the Clinton's still overshadowed the party.

It was her heinous who made my vote not count, it was her heinous who was against gay marriage until, for the TPP until, for the banks until, against immigration until, for CU until, etc.etc.etc.

her heinous herself, MEH.

because I refuse to invest emotion in her at all. Michelle Goldberg, on the other hand....I wonder what La Goldberg has been promised.

I have five words for Ms. Goldberg: Honduras, Haiti, Ukraine, Libya, Syria. Quite a record for one SOS term, and did that term even last the entire 4 years of Obama's first term? I don't remember right now.

Here are a few more phrases La Goldberg might want to check out before she starts name calling: failed health care initiative
undistinguished Senate career, incompetent 2008 presidential campaign, and, as I believe someone who knows Clinton has said, Never saw a war or weapons system she didn't love.

Anyone capable of saying something like We came, We saw, He died is beneath contempt. The fact that the most senior US diplomat would say such a thing, publicly, on TV for all the world to hear, and not be instantly ordered to resign, is unfreaking believable. I have known people making minimum wage and supporting children, be summarily dismissed from employment for excessive mouthiness, but Herself gets a pass.

Then, there is Mme. Clinton's unashamed promotion of genetic engineering. Has it not occurred to Ms. Goldberg that if you very publicly align yourself with the world's most hated corporation, some of the dislike is bound to rub off on you? But, of course, it is not allowed, somebody somewhere decided, to mention 'Clinton' and 'biotech' in the same article or even in the same book.

As for "likeability" almost everyone agrees that Minn. Senator Amy Klobuchar scores high in that particular category, but her job before running for the senate was being a prosecutor.... as in, putting bad guys in jail. In the civilian sector, it doesn't get much more tough than that, but I have not yet heard that she is resented by anyone other than those whom she helped incarcerate.

Ms. Goldberg wrote something to the effect that people don't like strong, competent women with loud voices. No, Michelle, what people don't like is incompetent, self-absorbed bossy cows who leave chaos and destruction behind them wherever they go. In the words of one of the Johnson/Weld adds, "and her, what a nightmare!"

Using the term "Hillary Haters" is an attempt to marginalize those of us who are not supporting her. It's a way of discounting our thoughts and opinions, because "You just hate her."

I've never considered myself a Hillary hater. I still don't hate her. I hate what she, Bill, and the other neoliberals have done and are likely to continue doing unless they are stopped from doing so.

with her a the helm. It depresses, scares and saddens me enormously!

It is certainly not just a matter of her having different policies. What she did to Bernie and Jane and to all of us when she made our votes irrelevant and cheated her way to "winning" the primary is all by itself enough reason. Add to that all the dead in Honduras, the suffering in Haiti, the war dead and injured around the world, and on and on it goes, and it is nothing less than evil.
She out-evils the villains of telenovelas, of which I have watched many for Spanish practice and entertainment, and she comports herself like those villains, which I had thought were exaggerated and caricatures, until I watched Hillary in action. It is like saying House of Cards exaggerates, and then changing your mind about that as the Clintons outdo the Netflix version.

right, "Hillary Haters" has to be the most childish.

All the hate and talk about Clinton here is getting to me. Wait, that's why I left Daily Kos. Dammit.

if Clinton's cruelty and sociopathy are not part of the attraction for at least some of her rabid supporters. I have never been able to buy that, I am scaaared of the terrible Trump argument. IF the dem rank and file are so scared of the other side, why have they not exerted themselves to recruit a candidate who might easily win? Like, oh, Bernie Sanders, for example.

I am beginning to think that some Clintonistas are "with her" because they want to be able to take down their enemies too.

Clinton through her own volition has entered and stayed on the national stage as a major player. You know, democracy is a contact sport. Guess what, partisan politics happens and shit will come her way or anybody else seeking to be a major player. The whole tone of these attacks on Clinton critics is that somehow she should be immune from criticism, and that she is just some innocent by-stander who is unfairly attacked.

You know, that Truman quote about the kitchen applies here.