HRC is ill it seems
Submitted by don mikulecky on Sun, 09/11/2016 - 7:46pm
Lots of speculation going on....little factual information. I did see the video of her collapse today. It seemed genuine. Lots of reports that she has pneumonia. That seems hard to believe. Also a few reports that DNC is having emergency meetings about the possibility of replacing her.
I am convinced she is not well but have little faith in the rest.
It is true that the DNC has the power to chose her replacement if it comes to that. So much for democracy.
Any credible info I missed?
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Totally agree
I seriously doubt the DNC meeting; they are too deep into their investment with HRC to back out now. This will be spun as simple pneumonia, and the Clinton campaign will gamble on being able to prevent any further "incidents" from being filmed.
I don't doubt it at all
the Twitters are going bananas right now over this. That platform, in particular, often seems to be a pretty good bellwether of this kind of thing. Even if it wasn't, I'd still believe there was a meeting. Because I'll bet the DNC doesn't even know what their options actually are right now.
David Shuster is the one
Reporting the emergency DNC meeting.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Near as I can tell, that is correct
he was the source of the original tweet on it, but I don't know if he was the source overall--was he?
Here's the latest David Shuster tweet
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
So this "top dem"
is saying that SHE can pick her successor?
I sure would like to see those bylaws before somebody re-writes them.
Holy shit, this is so urgent it's probably too late....
no, I believe it means she can remain the nominee if she wishes
not that she can pick someone to replace her but rather that it's up to her to step down, rather than have the DNC decide for her
Remember that comment she made a few days ago?
"Only 63 more days" or something like that?
Yesterday puts that in a whole new perspective, doesn't it? No way in hell will she voluntarily step aside. She'll happily keel over on Inauguration Day + 1 so long as she can say she was the first woman in the White House.
I *think* it just means that
she's got the nomination until and unless she calls it quits.
If that happens, Katy bar the door.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Imagine her picking the person to take her place?
Woof. Woof.
(no, really, that's a hint, not an insult)
I thought I heard
"Kitty bar the door"?
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
This is the same issue the RNC has had with Trump
the nominee has to agree to leave, can't be booted.
but that doesn't say anything about who would be the replacement.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
They're getting exactly what they deserve.
They lied, cheated, and stole this election. The DNC wanted HRC, and, well, now they're stuck with her. I have absolutely no sympathy for them now that her health is in the spotlight and everything might be at risk. There is absolutely no way that they didn't know that this exact scenario might happen, and if that's the case or they didn't plan for it, they're either incredibly stupid or grossly incompetent.
At this point, one thing is clear: If she goes down, she's taking the entire party with her.
Boy, you got that right
at least according to today's take according to mr luna. That was exactly what he said....
If I may, though? I don't think this is exactly good news for Donald Trump, either. I'm imagining a lot of people feeling real free to vote third party, without all the usual dreck clouding their minds....
Good riddance to bad rubbish
if the entire Democratic party goes down. It may shake and rattle the whole fake democratic process but it's one more stake in their evil heart. I could careless whether we get The Hairball or The Mad Bomber as the most powerful person in the world as they both suck worse then a Giant Meteor strike.
Third party voting is a good thing but a lot of people in this brainwashed world cling to the fictitious storyline put out by both the global Visigoths and the propaganda arm the media on line and off. Oh no's the sky is falling and Putin and the 'terrist's who are gonna kill yer family' need to be stopped it is alive and well and nothing but a distraction . The Democratic party is useless and it needs to die off. It may be hard to let go of the blue red duopoly and the American Empire corporate world dominance mind set but seriously it's a good thing if these assholes fail to convince people of their bull shit.
The Dem. Party going down is a good thing as it's a farce and a con brought to us all by the failed Third Way Democrat's who own and control the party on every level from national to state. local and city. None of them deserve support they suck and are stopping all real progress at a time when we humans globally need to reject there BS version of a brave new world. So pardon me if I do not care about The Mad Bombers heath problems. Who gives a shit man, she is the monkey's paw and need to be taken down. Who cares this shit she's just pure evil.
Bejeesus if ever a person or persons should be labeled unfit to rule it should be the Clinton's and the Democratic party at large. Her health is her problem is irrelevant she a=was always unfit to rule. My only problem is how to get these fuckers out of power. She and her cohorts have been 'unfit to rule' since day one. Not to mention that the are all complicit in destroying any semblance of democracy and the rule of law we had after Bushies selection and 9/11.
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I vote for grossly stupid AND incredibly incompetent
Nobody said they were mutually exclusive :-)
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
The Clintons might have hidden it from everyone, just to be
safe.
My thought is that her past head trauma triggered a form of epilepsy. Could a person with epilepsy be POTUS? Could he or she perform the essential functions of the position, with or without accommodation? Because of the stigma associated with epilepsy, I think the Clintons would be inclined to hide it, rather than address that in public.
Just my 2 cents.
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Shuster
Recently, while trying to compile a mental list of who I might read, whose Twitter page I might look at, etc., David Shuster seemed to me to be one of the good guys. Not that he was partisan, but that he seemed fair and honest. He was put on a very small list of people I might trust to read in the future after what all we have seen since the primaries. Well, I just wanted to mention that.
IIRC
he got canned by MSNBC for daring to question something or other that Our Betters insist we should not.
Shuster
That may have been part of it. I couldn't recall, so checked Wiki:
That does sound familiar.
There have certainly been many reporters fired for not expressing the "proper" viewpoint. Not sure about Shuster being one.
Clarification
Didn't mean to imply that the DNC meeting didn't/wouldn't take place, only that the outcome (continued HRC support), was inevitable.
I think it's extremely unlikely.
But Hillary just capped her horrible, no good, very bad fortnight with fuel for the health rumors.
There are a bunch of congressmen & senators whose reelection could be negatively impacted by low turnout, low turnout which could be driven by Hillary's presidential chances are reduced. Politicians do gave a pretty good instinct for self-preservation. Some of them have to have thought of it.
Not to worry, she only has pneumonia. :)
Not some other type of debilitating disorder that causes her to jerk her head like that and can't walk on her own.
Her doctor has tweeted that she has pneumonia. Apparently she has had it since Friday, but according to her supporters on DK, nothing would keep her from participating for over 90 minutes today because she's 'heroic' and fought so hard for funding after the towers wer hit.
If that's true that she has pneumonia, then why didn't they take her to the hospital instead of Chelsea's apartment? And what treatment does one get for pneumonia that bad that makes her stumble and then an hour later she's fine?
Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.
Would you like to buy a bridge?
If the original statement put out 90 minutes after she fell had mentioned that she was ill, I might buy it. But the pneumonia was the 2nd try, so I'm very dubious.
Cocaine? /snark
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Nah, more like Ibogaine
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It seems?
She's been mental for many years.
Now her body is catching up on her mind.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
The Portrait of Hillorian Gray
with, instead of a painting, the candidate’s own body as mirror of the spirit?
Monday Morning.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
I don't buy that peumonia
diagnosis. The way she fell headfirst into the vehicle indicates something different. She had obviously lost complete control over her motor functions. Can pneumonia do that? I don't know - but whatever the case, that video is very bad news for her campaign.
native
I've had pneumonia twice.
The onset was slow. When fully engaged, I was bedridden for weeks and it took many months to recover. I didn't just suddenly collapse one fine day, and I didn't just bounce back up a couple of hours later.
Pneumonia three times here
When I ponder her history of being rather veracity-challenged, I'm mostly inclined to call BS on the entire pneumonia story. I've had pneumonia -- twice as a young man, once at middle age. Each time it kicked my butt. It took weeks to get over and back to anywhere near normal. You damn sure weren't going to any huge public event; that would be beyond reckless.
Considering that Hillary is far from young, she should be on her back in bed ... and not for just a couple of days. After all, it is not that unusual to read in an obit from someone her age that they succumbed to pneumonia. In fact, it's rather common.
Of course, maybe there are new developments in the treatment of pneumonia -- such as the wearing of special Zeiss anti-seizure sunglasses.
Morning news
will have is spun to involve a Russian assassin putting poison in her Chai
Here it is
Right on schedule, check for poison! It could be the Russians or Trump working with the Russians! I wish I were kidding
ugh! Can't imbed link. Google "man who discovered CTE thinks Hillary Clinton may have been poisoned"
They’re seriously saying the Russians might be poisoning her
From Amazon billionaire Jeff Bezos’s Washington Post:
The man who discovered CTE [chronic traumatic encephalopathy] thinks Hillary Clinton may have been poisoned
Amazing. You can’t make this stuff up. The powerful people’s real conduct is so outrageous and transparent, satire doesn’t stand a chance.
Here's TOP's take
on the incident:
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/9/11/1569064/-Despite-having-pneumo...
The essay portrays Hillary is heroic, braving illness and adversity to show support for blah blah blah 9/11. A veritable warrior for human rights she is, temporarily set back by a brief spell of whatever, but back on her feet in a flash. Amazing recuperative powers, has she.
native
That's the Official Narrative
and it's complete bullshit. And if Twitters are a judge of things, it sure looks to me like a lot of fence sitters aren't sitting up there anymore, because they don't seem to be buying it.
This afternoon at Chelsea's...
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Recuperative powers
Can be the result of being pumped full of corticosteroids. That is why cancer patients get them after their chemo treatments.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Hmm - like they used to say
back in the fifties: Better Living Through Chemistry. We've come a long way since then.
native
Even steroids don't work that fast
And even if Medusa really has pneumonia, they would be contraindicated because of lowering the immune response.
So Ed, assuming your diagnosis is correct
What kind of treatment, if any, would make Hillary recover so fast?
Beware the bullshit factories.
(raises hand, since I'm not Ed)
Heh.
A body double?
Twitter is starting to have issues keeping up with this hash now: #HillarysBodyDouble
That would be useful to have
A body double
Beware the bullshit factories.
You may be correct
On the other hand, I think the Body Snatchers hiding in Chelsea's apartment just changed out her defective microchip for a new one.
You are a misogynist if you question Hillary's health
Even after today's collapse:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/it-looked-dramatic-but-its-ok-doctor-rip...
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Misogynist-schmogynist!
If Trump had gone all woozy like that, there would have been all kinds of rumors and speculations and comments, you betcha!
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Trump himself is being pretty quiet about this
He needs Hillary as much as Hillary needs him.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Sorry Dr. Gunter,
but that was not a "stumble", it was a total physical collapse. Fortunately for HRC, she soon recovered. More power to her, but it was more than just a stumble. As is perfectly obvious from the video recording.
native
Dems can't 'get rid of FSC'--according to Shuster's Tweet,
below.
I'm convinced that she'll remain the nominee, unless she becomes totally incapacitated before the November 8 election--so that WJC can have an unofficial third therm.
Kaine can be the 'front man.'
(Unless, of course, the Dem Party Leadership actually succeeds in forcing her out, if it is revealed that she is truly quite seriously ill. I'd have to see that, to believe it.)
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Not
grin-worthy. And definitely not acceptable.
People are not going to vote for Tim Kaine, knowing this possibility. This shit is blowing up the entire Party, and it's despicable. Plenty of decent Dems downticket will suffer because of this. It is wrong.
Tim Kaine
couldn't be the front man for a team of garbage collectors.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
DNC seemed to be able
to make up rules during the primaries and convention to the benefit of Clinton. What is there to say that they cannot make up or change the rules to rid the party of what has become an albatross of a candidate? If they really want to get rid of her, they could. I just do not believe they have hit rock bottom yet. But time is running short and if the DNC wants to save down ticket Dems in close races, they must re-evaluate whether or not Clinton is the weak horse that they want to hitch their wagon to.
IMHO, regardless of the real cause of her total loss of motor function yesterday, there are at least three very damaging videos of the incident from three different angles. It is clear that she could not even take one step. It certainly did not look like someone who was fainting, but someone who could not control her motor functions. Perhaps pneumonia can do that, but it does not really matter now.
Despite the
explanationexcuse for this latest incident, it significantly fuels the public perception that there is something physically wrong with Clinton. This is the latest and most disturbing in a line of several well documented incidents in which Clinton did not act or react like most normal people would.In politics, perception is reality and the public perception of Clinton's health and stamina is definitely not good.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Cable news went overboard
MSNBC treated Hillary’s "episode" (as they called it) as the top story for HOURS. Trump was smart to take a day off today. Otherwise I don't know what to make of it.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
More likely cable news strikes back
Any reporter that questioned Clinton's health in the past couple of week has been viciously attacked. Some lost their jobs. Today's coverage is probably backlash from the media for the treatment they've been receiving from the Clinton campaign.
Better late than never n/t
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
The Nominee
in the last analysis is the Party's nominee. The Party is a private entity, and can propose whomever it wishes to be its Nominee.
The other Party operates under similar rules.
"Democracy" has nothing, and never has had anything, to do with it. Surely you know that?
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Get rid of them all. They suck.
All the incumbents except Barbara Lee, Raul Grijalva, Keith Ellison, and Maxine Waters need to be yanked.
Both parties need to be dropped like a hot rock into a deep gorge.
EDIT: OK, I have to include Chris Van Hollen, who I think still has a conscience even though he toes the party line enough to keep his job. (I could be wrong about that, but his office was good to us, so giving him benefit of the doubt.)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The only Democrat who could lose to Trump
is Clinton.
I watched one video, it was unclear, I have no expertise to judge how it had been edited. But it sure looked like she was shaking and twitching before her knees buckled.
In the end it doesn't matter what her health is. If her health is perceived by the public as too poor to do the job, she's done. Her lead isn't that big (Trump ahead in one poll this weekend).
When are these debates? You know Trump will bring up her health.
Talk about Trump, Trump loses.
Talk about Clinton, Clinton loses.
All it will take is the narrative (true or not) about her health to take root in the MSM and it will be Prez Trump.
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They can't risk debates now
1) Mrs. Clinton won't be able to handle the bright lights? That's what I keep reading about those glasses. If true, it's a personal risk for her.
2) Trump is in a real jam, if he's playing the ringer role here. I could have sworn that he sounded downright concerned about her. Hey, that's what friends do...
IF there are no debates, my 2 cents on why. Not that we'll ever know. Dammit!
I'm very bad at political predictions but ...
1. I don't think Hillary will voluntarily step down. Period.
2. If she does, DWS has a good chance of taking her place.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
DWS?! Bwahahahahahaha!!!
Landslide Trump victory, 538-0, with DWS not even able to hold Florida. (Well, Johnson and the Libs might be able to grab off a state or two....)
If the Demonrats are that stupid, they deserve to join the Federalists and the Whigs in the dustbin of history.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Demonrats? Oh thank you!
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-Socialism: the radical idea of sharing.
-Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
DWS, no!
If the Dems choose a replacement candidate, it will probably be either Joe Biden or John Kerry in that order. It will not be DWS or Bernie.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Clinton has already chosen
her potential "in case" successor - Tim Kaine.
I predict that, if necessary, her choice will be honored by the DNC.
I further predict that, in a Kaine-Trump match-up, Kaine would go on to completely trounce Trump in the general election.
Only connect. - E.M. Forster
Her words
When announcing Kaine as her running mate (paraphrased):
"There is a very real chance this person could step into the Presidency."
...
I don't see Kaine winning in a landslide at all.
IMO, it's almost as suicidal as selecting DWS. Tim Kaine: another empty suit with hardly any name recognition. IIRC, he ran the DNC. Ultimate lickspittle corporate insider. He will *never* beat Donald Trump, unless Trump folds altogether.
Or unless ballot-counting fraud takes place. Again.
*Or* unless he gets a non-majority plurality
(electoral votes, not popular vote) and the House actually agrees to perform its Constitutional function.
They haven't done that since 1824.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
I agree
If he is bypassed as not ready to become President, that he would have to stand down as VP. They will NEVER pick Bernie and Joe Biden who never even ran would be seen as illegitimate to the general public. They are stuck with Kaine.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Are there really written bylaws? I would like to read them.
There are enough lawyers in politics, always have been, that I find it doubtful that there is not out-clause for the Party in the case of egregious behavior on the part of a candidate. Surely at lower level something like this has happened. Unfortunately I cannot recall, surely some governor or mayor has been replaced at candidate stage?
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The DNC has governing documents
Here's the link where you can download and read them:
Democratic Party Charter and By-Laws
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Clinton cancels California trip
As usual the Clinton's are their own worst enemy
If they had just pulled her off the road on Friday and said she had Pneumonia then none of this would have happened. The problem is the Clinton default mode is to lie and obfuscate.
I do not think you can trust Clinton to say or do anything honestly
^^^ This ^^^ eom
Don't believe everything you think.
Well, how do we know it really is pneumonia?
Maybe they didn't announce the pneumonia on Friday because she didn't have it, and may still not have it for all we know. I believe nothing coming from a Clinto or a Clinton representative.
Trump's brand is strength
Illness is the ultimate mythical weakness. If she doesn't step down, the dems are doomed.
They may be doomed anyway, but the best thing they could do is draft Bernie. This is why he played it the way he did. There were too many options for a September surprise. They are damn lucky it happened so early. Not that they are likely to take advantage of their luck - they aren't that smart.
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Hillary should withdraw and recommend Bernie to the DNC
There is no shame in admitting she is severely injured and unfit to serve as President, in fact she would be seen as unselfish by reacting to her stumble by passing the torch to Bernie Sanders, who could carry the Democratic Party past Trump, and to a Democratic Party victory in the General Election.
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A double?
I unfollowed 3 folks for passing this shit around.
Really?
There's tons of really important reasons that Clinton and Trump are horrible candidates and pretty rotten people. No need to create such silly imaginings as this.
Health Bingo
Yes!
Totally stealing that.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
We're gonna need a bigger card
I don't see "RWTP" or "HIPPA" or "media's all out to get her" on that card.
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Putin...
what about Putin, doesn't he deserve a square. Some how, some way, he has to be responsible for Hillary's health, right?
redacted - no humor left in me /nt
Couple of tweets from pathologist Bennet Omalu, coming right up
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/09/12/the-man-who...