Bernie speaking now

https://ourrevolution.com

I'm an Our "revolution" skeptic, to say the least, but it's good to hear Bernie speak again.

Liveblog for old times sake?

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

It's that there is no sunlight between the Clintons and the Democratic Party. They are one and the same.
So the nature and behavior of the Democratic Party can be predicted by the nature and behavior of the Clintons.

So what is the nature of the Clintons?

We know the Clintons are remarkably vindictive and ultra-sensitive about being made to look bad in public (Bill had a hard time forgiving Obama for beating her, etc.) They have a remarkable sense of entitlement, and I ain't talking about their Social Security policy.

Anyone who thinks Bernie is going to get any real progressive policy out of Senate Dems, or any significant position like a chairmanship of an important committee, is--well, let me just say that it seems extraordinarily unlikely.

I thought Sanders knew he was burning his bridges by making a real and substantive challenge to her.
But I thought Sanders knew a lot of things that, well, maybe he didn't.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

skod's picture

that it wasn't so spectacularly true. I really do have the feeling that we are _living_ Brazil, right now...

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Citizen Of Earth's picture

Hmmm. Why does that sound familiar? Hahaha

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

At the moment the party needs votes and has kinda sorta brought him into the Democratic fold. Once Hillary has ascended, what possible reason would she have to make Bernie more important than he already is?

Hillary is waiting with bated breath to continue the violent diplomacy of Obama in the Middle East, with the way into Syria already cracked open, and her arch enemy, Iran, on the near horizon. Unless he has been replaced by a doppelgänger, Bernie will oppose these war crimes with all his might.

No, any appearance of comity with Bernie will disappear the moment the votes are counted. He has had the temerity to cross the Clinton clan, he will never be forgiven.

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“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024

Our Revolution appears to be a superpac.
I am sure the oligarchs will fund the revolt against the oligarchy...
This experiment also appears to be about a realignment of the Democratic Party using Demexiters to do the ground work.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

Our Revolution. Hard to tell.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Citizen Of Earth's picture

I guess challenging the MIC is a bridge too far. Don't want to make waves for Hellery the Warmonger.

"But throughout Our Revolution’s livestream, war went unmentioned. So did Pentagon spending. So did corporate profiteering from the massive U.S. military budget."
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/08/25/debut-our-revolution-great-...

And the Our Revolution website doesn't mention U.S. Militarism either.
https://ourrevolution.com/issues

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

If supporting Tim Canova is a bridge too far--and there seems to be some debate over what is actually happening there, so I'm still watching the situation--

but IF supporting Tim Canova is a bridge too far, Our Revolution is an empty gong and a clanging cymbal.

I'll be interested to see what happens.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Citizen Of Earth's picture

Edit: H/t to fred_mertz who found him in the list, so Never mind.

https://ourrevolution.com/candidates

That should tell us all what OurRev is about. Collecting money from progressives and using their free time and energy to support the Dem status quo and Dem machine.

OurRev is not going to buck the system to go against Hellery's Princess. Never.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

look a little closer. Second column about six pix down.

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Citizen Of Earth's picture

I had a trailing space in the Find textbox so his name was not found. Damn you firefox, learn how to use the Trim command.

So aside from listing him on that page, I doubt anything further will be done for him. We'll see.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

And there it was. Wink

I'm prepared for the loss down there, though I keep donating to Tim. That district may be too old and establishment for him to break through. This time.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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a 501(c)(4) could not advocate for particular candidates, only for issues.

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There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

Excessive US militarism has been fucking up the world and the nation for so long, and to such an obviously disastrous degree, that by rights it should be regarded as a high-priority issue. You'd think so anyway. Yet it rarely even gets mentioned, let alone criticized by any of our elected officials, not even the most progressive ones. It's as if it didn't even exist. It's like some huge, horrible monster camped out in the living room that everybody just walks around, pretending it isn't there.

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There were about 25 or so folks in the back of a bar that had multiple tv screens set up just for the occasion. Was headed up by a local Dem guy from a law group next door who had lent their offices to the Bernie campaign, which became our local hub for the NY primary, and a Bernie team member who had worked for the campaign for over a year. There were volunteers, a Labor for Bernie shirt and folks who were just supporters wanting to see what's next.

My purpose in going was to see not only what Bernie would say and how people would react to it, but to gauge the feeling among the supporters gathered there, on how they would be voting, what people thought of the voter suppression and voter fraud and how we should proceed. I left more on the disappointed side, save for the views of a Socialist Alternative friend and historian who made a short impassioned speech saying that we need to discuss and make possible progressive inroads at the local level, ala Fiorello LaGuardia.

After exchanging pleasantries with the law group fellow who I had met a few times during the campaign I asked what his feeling was about voting Green Party. He was dismissive and changed the subject. To my surprise that wouldn't be the only of such encounters.

Across the table from me was a nice guy who told me he hadn't volunteered or canvassed like I had but that he donated money and supported on social media. He told me he worked for the MTA and said all the right things, commenting positively on the OWS shirt I was wearing and mentioned how he both went there to support and was indignant about the way it was swept away by brute force. Said he had come to America in 1971 as a boy and has never seen it so bad and that the Occupiers were doing us a service, and wants to be involved to do something about it. I wanted to talk about the way the election was rigged, the votes suppressed and voting results stolen. He thought it was probably so but didn't seem to know the extent of it, or much about the thuggery at the fascistic DNC. I said because of all this and how corrupt and the antithesis of everything Bernie stood for that Clinton is, that I'd be voting Green Party....He began with the Trump fear. It was the same later with another guy who said he was tired of "these Bernie or Bust" people, after speaking all the right things about corrupt gov't, social justice, etc.

Here was the kicker for me though. At the end after the two hosts and a member of NY Bernie tech teams had spoken, another asked if he could get up to address the crowd. He began by saying how he'd never been involved in politics before but at the beginning of the Mayoral campaign in 2013 he aligned with DeBlasio, piqued by his rhetoric. He said he was also involved in gay politics. I recognized him and leaned over to my friend, and said that he was big Hillary supporter, having seen his Twitter feed.

He went on to say that his involvement in politics led him to become the leader of the Stonewall Democrats, and then talked about a certain race in which we need the good guy to win, etc. It was a rah-rah speech to motivate us to get involved. He then lofted praise on us, saying "you won this district." To which, the jig was up and he admitted that for someone who supported Hillary he was very impressed. Others gasped and I let out an unconstrained short boo. A fucking Hillary supporter at the inception of Our Revolution, as inspiration to get involved with continuing Bernie's mission? Huh?

I left torn between the obvious need for galvanizing all the incredible energy and commitment generated by Bernie to take over all levels of gov't, and the more treacherous creeping reality of the veal pen scenario as an enticing appeasement after having been beaten and bruised by the Neoliberal thug counterparts of the Right Wing menace, which has masterfully divided and conquered the 99%. The Duopoly Strikes Again.

At this moment I'm more apt to put my energies into outside social movements. But we'll see. Howard Zinn's life's work tells me that's where it's at.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

http://theprogressivewing.com/some-reactions-to-the-launch/

This diary and the comments under it contain a short summary of the meet up experience different people had at the launch.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Mark from Queens's picture

Seems lots of folks were glad for the opportunity last night to reconnect, but for what the jury remains out. There's no doubt this movement continues the trajectory of more and more people awakening and voicing publicly their deep dissatisfaction with the status of quo of corrupt politics.

Everybody now seems to be a lot more conversant, after Occupy laid the groundwork then Bernie hammered it home, about the chronic dysfunction and revolving door politics in DC because of Money In Politics. We'll see how it manifests. In the meantime I see this slog of a political season featuring the two most loathed, corrupt, dishonest and untrustworthy candidates of all-time resulting in a culminating restlessness and anger that will have its outlet in something ugly.

I'm not signed up over at TPW (was heartening to recognize some former TOP allies though!), but thanks for bringing that discussion to our attention. Feel free to copy and paste my observation to share with the over there.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

Phoebe Loosinhouse's picture

to be the umbrella Party for substantive change is wasting their time. If anything, it will be MORE conservative and beholden to the 1% under Hillary and the influx of anti-Trump Republicans.

People Demexited and now they're expected Demre-enter? Bernie wants his adherents to be just one more Move On or DFA advocacy group? I personally have NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER in the Democratic Party or their fake agendas or their "better" candidates who will get squashed like bugs in the internal machinary.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not looking for advocacy, I'm looking for political power and solidarity with a core agenda addressing single payer healthcare, anti- trade pacts, living wages, BLM, social justice, civil and voting rights, fraud-free elections, etc. and not to be part of a sect within a larger Party involved in constant internecine warfare.

To me, the only question is - join and build out the Greens or go for a completely new Party? (just because the Greens have been around for a long time and may be past a sell by date)

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" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "

Citizen Of Earth's picture

Weaver is a HelleryBro now so there's that. This is a way for Hellery to control the progressives at OurRev and make sure they don't get too far out of line -- by acting all progressive and shit. And OurRev can give them busy work to keep them from spending their energy on things that trouble the Oilgarchs.

Plus Dems can rake in progressive cash that may have gone elsewhere.

Would love to do a Vulcan mind-meld on Bernie's brain right about now. What is going on in there? hahaha

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

I'm waiting a bit to see if that's what it is. But haven't watched the Democracy Now! interview yet.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Phoebe Loosinhouse's picture

and Day of Service that OFA wasted everyone's time with while TPTB were selling the public option down the river.

Give the little people something to do! Make them feel involved. Have them build Popsicle stick windmills they can knock down in team building exercises! Have Great Crusaders costume parties - I get dibs on Emma Goldman!

If I sound cynical, it's because I am.

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" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "

tapu dali's picture

I'm looking for political power and solidarity with a core agenda addressing single payer healthcare, anti- trade pacts, living wages, BLM, social justice, civil and voting rights, fraud-free elections, etc.

Exactly so.

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