Truth to Power. ToP eats their own.

A long time member asks a question, poses a solution.

Pam has been a member since 2005. Clearly a crazy rethug fu@k.

Damned near slammed into the hiddens.

Heads Explode?

Democrats? Nah.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/8/23/1562982/-Hillary-Needs-To-Tell...

They're fg flagging this?

I respectfully disagree. Having this stuff come out in dribs and drabs keeps it going. If she just tells the American people herself it would be better.

Read it all. It's disgusting.

One commenter even had the temerity to say

reality77 Aug 23 · 09:50:52 AM
The nasty responses are just inappropriate. Can’t people respond without the nastiness I’d expect from a right wing site?

No they cannot.

We are truly f'd with all this "reality based", "Better Dems", PILE ON.

So much for the anonymous flags.

Crap

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and tell her to come here. Smile

Dude, stop reading their fucking garbage. It'll give you an ulcer.

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I miss Colorado.

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in 2 weeks to see my oldest son, who is a Mountain Man.

Are you Colorado is the Shiznit's?

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Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!

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Hee hee. Everybody pretty much calls me Shiz, so I just shortened it here.

Oh, I so wish I could meet you in Boulder when you go visit your son! I moved to Wisconsin almost two years ago now, so I'm not there anymore. Sad I have grown to love it here, but it's not the same as Colorado. I know I'll go back someday.

Have a great visit with your mountain man kid! Smile Does he live in Nederland? That's where most people who are mountain folk truly live if they say they're in Boulder. Heh. Ya just take Canyon Road all the way up!

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His goal this year is to ski every 14K with snow for 12 months thru the year. Yeah, he's nuts.

All I've asked is to go back to Estes Park where I was when 13..

You take care.

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was in Pinewood Springs, a few miles south of Estes Park, about 2/3 of the way to Lyons. Rough commute to work, but when I went home I was home.

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in the early 1950s and a little later - when the wooden arch over the road north out of Boulder was still there - and you had to drive to Longmont for a cup of coffee if it was after midnight.

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Wow!
Hey Shiz
I lived at the 12mi mark on Magnolia from 2003~10 --
Been taking care of family here in San Diego since; hoping to get back to Nederland pretty soon!
Truly the most beautiful place I have ever lived!
And I have travelled around, domestically and abroad!
Small, small world--
Best of Luck Shiz
Nederland Rules--

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exactly where you are talking about! LOL!

My ex lived in a wee cabin in Eldora when I met her, so I am quite familiar with the area. Total ski bum, that woman. I want to say I loved going to that little hole in the wall Italian place in Ned ... maybe Neopolitan's? And the grocery store is really cute. Kinda teeny, but good selection!

I have never been to Frozen Dead Guy Days there. Have you? If so, what did you think? It's on my bucket list. Smile

I hope you are loving San Diego! I have, honest to God, heard nothing but good stories about that city. People love it!

I miss so much about Colorado, and separately about Denver and Boulder. I'll get back there too, sooner or later. But ... I'm taking care of family in Wisconsin, so I hear ya! Ya do what ya gotta do, ya know?

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I miss Colorado.

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Of course I told her that OPOL was here.
More the merrier?
Shameful, aint it?

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comments and private messaged her an invite. Well, more than one message can't hurt!

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The writing there is truly pathetic now. 'And I just skimmed a diary that more or less announces that Bernie's new project has crashed before it launches tonight because of Bernie bring in someone called Jeff Weaver to run it.

The title is "Bernie's Dream May Be Smashed. Thank Jeff Weaver" Forgive me for not linking to it. It looks like a shill piece to me but I really don't know. It looks to be to well written to be from most of the people that post there now. I assume that the "thank you Jeff Weaver" is a sincere call to thank the man.

And then I promptly came over here to see if any one knows what is really going on, because fact based writing is no longer a thing on that sight.

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there is money in the little ratfucker owner's pocket...

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Usually mean that someone, somewhere fucked up royally.

In this case however, it seems that nobody could have forseen that taking the brakes off one train while making the other unable to shift to other tracks would be inadvisable.

/snark

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about how TOP is eating their own. TOP has become a cesspool of ignorant fools and it hurts, physically, to even read the crap that gets posted there. I would suggest, if any of you still have accounts over there, invite reasonable people to come make C99p their home for blogging where they don't have to fear the hate that ensues at that (expletive) of a site.

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leave there. When they get in trouble, I encourage them to check us out (since they won't leave any other way).

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And I always will. I have simply bookmarked his personal page so I can bypass the majority of the bullshit.

I will skim the recent and recommended for news of the world or of Bernie, but except for the few people who's writing has been consistent forever, it is painful to read there. Most pathetic is how much they still hate us. They have nothing better to do, I guess.

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From SChelydra to the diarist on DKos:

If it’s any consolation, you can look forward to saying I told you so in November…. but since a look through your diaries of the past year suggests you’ve been a hardcore true-believing Hillarian from the git-go, you probably won’t regard that as any consolation at all.

The response to this diary follows the only script that guide the chorus here ...

Any diary that is not 100% cheerleading gets slammed ...

… whatever (ostensibly) motivated the diary is dismissed as a nothingburger ...

... whatever true (hidden but discernable) motives can be identified are then exposed and condemned in the style of the Moscow Purge Trials.

Substitute “RWCT” for “Trotskyite Wrecker” and you have the same all-purpose magic formula for neutralizing and smothering all critical remarks, sober analysis, or strategic pondering that contains anything other than predigested groupthink.

While it’s clear from your diary and your comments that your only concern is that Hillary should avoid the appearances of impropriety, it’s also clear that it’s a slippery slope you’re on. To admit there could be an appearance of impropriety is just a step or two short of suggesting that there could be actual impropriety.

Any diary or comment that carries even the faintest whiff of concern for morality, ethics, or common decency will be singled out as unspeakably offensive, beyond the pale—since it indicates you’re a troublemaker and an undesirable. As soon as you regard moral standards as absolute (as opposed to relativistic, pragmatic, fluid), you’re probably too far gone to bring back into the fold.

If morality is taken seriously for its own sake, you’re sure to go farther and farther astray. It’s fine if you just chant the approved slogans when the the designated Victims of Oppression have the blessings of your leaders (e.g., a non-white individual gunned down by cops in a US city is to be loudly mourned, with tears of rage and demands for merciless justice) but never think you have the right to decide for yourself who is a Victim of Oppression by employing the outmoded yardsticks of common sense or common decency. Unless you know for sure their oppression is officially recognized, don’t go out on a limb to express any concern for the fate of anyone non-white, non-rich, not a US citizen, especially if they’re following any agenda not spoon-fed to them by the US Government.

At least you didn’t touch on the SUBSTANTIVE issues related to State Dept/Foundation conflicts of interest — the deadly consequences for real people in Haiti, Honduras, and Colombia, whose concern for free elections, the natural environment, the rights of labor (respectively) interfere with the interests of Foundation donors. (Why do you think the Clinton people here don’t even want to admit there’s ever been an appearance of impropriety? It’s because it opens up the question of what that so-called impropriety actually involves, on the ground, in real life.)

You’ve been here for twelve years; it would be a shame if you let your worry about Clinton’s electoral vulnerability undermine your status as a loyal and reliable member.

Hear! Hear!

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and the author has been banned.

AmIRite?

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It's pretty hilarious all the new enforcers who just joined this year but run the place like storm troopers.

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I didn't see it. But I've recently discovered I've been bojo'd for no reason I can remember and with no message to that effect. Can you still see hiddens if you've been bojo'd?

Odd. The last comment I made on there was a response to Angela Marx conversion diary back in June where I said that I wouldn't becoming back to a site whose political ideology I found deeply disturbing. Would they actually bojo'd me for that comment as a GBCW? I know it shouldn't matter but I gave money to that fucking site for years and almost 10 years of loyal readership and I don't even get a message? Classy.

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and to hell with Orange State!

Orange State, Just like Red State but just a shade off as they aren't quite as hateful!

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When I was a kid, Republicans used to red scare people, now it's the Democrats. I am getting too damn old for this crap!

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passage of a certain period of time, the message fades away? You could challenge it at the Help Desk, if you were so inclined. I would not consider a comment a GBCW post. At most such a comment should result in a timeout. Unless it was one of many. If you do challenge it, tell them what you said here - 10 years of loyal readership AND monetary donations. I bet that last will get you back in, if nothing else.

As far as seeing hiddens, probably not. I'm NR and I can't see hiddens right now.

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Not sure what I want to do. It was just a shock. My other thought was that they saw my snarky Thank You Daily Kos essay over here and decided to be over the top vidictive. But that sounds a bit too far fetched. Even for them.

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about us. When they do that to me and try to bring my postings here over there, I just laugh, thank them for following me and tell them I appreciate their fandom. They know I'm supporting Jill. Nothing has come of that. So yes, I don't think TPTB Over There are responding to postings elsewhere. At least, not yet. Hopefully not ever. Meanwhile, they're not going to "trick" me into advocating Jill over there (their attempts are SO transparent).

I think it probably was the "GBCW" comment. It probably generated some complaints to the Help Desk by the new hall monitors. But like I said, I agree with you that that's not fair. I think it's not the same as posting a diary on the subject. People say things in the heat of the moment all the time and walk them back later. I think they have even reinstated some people who wrote actual GBCW diaries after they've had time to cool off and reconsider. So I do think a challenge about such a comment would probably be successful.

You could start by just protesting the lack of a message and state that you don't know why you were banned, and then the length of time and money parts as above. Let them explain if they can. Then you can respond to whatever issue they think they have. And if that comment isn't it, you haven't drawn their attention to it! Or they may not even tell you and just go ahead and reinstate you.

Be sure to let me know what happens if you do decide to challenge!

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Seems to be the main driving force at GOS.

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I joined Top in 2011.

Twelve Years? Math?

You say

If it’s any consolation, you can look forward to saying I told you so in November…. but since a look through your diaries of the past year suggests you’ve been a hardcore true-believing Hillarian from the git-go, you probably won’t regard that as any consolation at all.

But? I have never written anything positive about the Clintons or the Dinosaurs that run the Democratic party.

I say:

I have researched you extensively and found that you are a character from Dr Seuss.
You're in pretty good shape for the shape you are in.

Reading is fundamental.

You sure you're on the right site?

Phttt

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For the confusion. I hit save before I realized I didn't put it in block quotes, which is near impossible to do for such a long quote after the fact on an iPad.

Still, it's a great comment on DKos about DKos, amirite?

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When you quote something you should use the " tab.

I first thought it was SChelydra writing here.

Doh

Light dawns on Marblehead.

Shheesh

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Firesign Theater

Stop the War!

I knew you'd figure it out directly. Halfway through I had to back up and reread to cypher it out.

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I grew up in MA. Love seeing that expression -- I use it all the time. Smile

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As soon as you regard moral standards as absolute (as opposed to relativistic, pragmatic, fluid), you’re probably too far gone to bring back into the fold.

That's the best comment I've read all year, as it encapsulates the LTE groupthink that fuels the Clinton campaign.

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“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”

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That jumped out at me too. For the same reason. But the entire comment is sublime.

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This SChelydra person needs an invitation to C99 ... like yesterday!

Man, am I ever glad I don't go to TOP any longer!

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over here! Their blood pressure will probably thank them.

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if we could wean folk off bp medications!

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After the Ides of March, they opened the barred gates, letting the HillBots and the Zombies loose. Those are two sub-species of critters, known neither to Dr. Seuss nor any biologists, who have surrendered their brains as their exit fee. Now, feeding them with any sense of reality is like applying soap to the Wicked Witch of the North. Huzzah to all those who made it past the 5th comment--I couldn't. Pardon me while I wash my brain. (At least I do this by myself).

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Now, feeding them with any sense of reality is like applying soap to the Wicked Witch of the North.

Your Oz-ology's a touch off, Ed. The Wicked Witch with the industrial strength case of hydrophobia was the Wicked Witch of the West. Glenda the Good was the Witch of the North. The Wicked Witch of the East lost her life and her footwear as part of a housing readjustment in Oz. Smile

Extra Credit Question: Who was the Good Witch of the South?

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"The Wicked Witch of the East lost her life and her footwear as part of a housing readjustment in Oz."

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Good Witch of the South. They seem to have combined the two into one in the Judy Garland movie; yes, there Glinda was referred to as Good Witch of the North, but that's not what it says in the books. The other witches are not named in the books. Depending on the stage version, the Good Witch of the North is either Locasta/Locusta or Addaperle.

What do I win? Wink

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

It's pretty real. Hillary is the Wicked Witch of the West and Jill is Glinda, the good Witch of the North. Bernie is the mercurial Wizard who you can't get a handle on and we're Dorothy. Trump is one of Hillary's spells.

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Trump is one of Hillary's

..... flying monkeys!

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We should have a c99 movie fest to make sure we're all up on significant children's films. I nominate The Phantom Tollbooth as an additional feature every kid should know.

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On Phantom Tollbooth!

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remember Pam, and when she turned nasty. SChelydra reaches top performance when s/he drops this sort of comment on those who've earned it.

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greeted by this.

A message has been issued from site admin at Fri Aug 19 2016 17:16:17 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time): You have recommended this tip jar that was previously Hidden and the diarist subsequently banned by the community for promoting unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. Your recommendation of this tip jar helped pull it back out of the Hiddens. WE URGE YOU TO REMOVE YOUR REC from this tip jar: http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1561807/63146931#comment_63146931
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I attempted to rec without acknowleging -no good. So I copied and pasted it, acknowledged it, did NOT remove my tip (I had gone to dk, first time in weeks, specifically to un-hide that jar) and then added my tip to Schelydra's comment. After, I checked my status there. I'm still good to post a full Petronius on the joint, on 11/9. That message will be in it. It will be a sweet and simple example of the site's ex-post-facto thought-policing.

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There may be more "consequences" if you don't remove your uprate, even at this late date. Let's hope not. I read it at the time; it was a decent diary, IIRC.

Love your new sig line!

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No comments, no tips, no recs. My swan song to the place was two deeply critical diaries of Hillary, one of her corruption in January, and the other of her execrable Nancy Reagan lie in March, just before the Ides.

If I ever go back it will be to post an equally blistering Hillary post, either blaming the Hillbots for losing the White House by backing her, or a detailed I-told-you-so when her Wall Street Cabinet is named. Either way, it'll be the last thing I do there, if I bother.

Reading the comments in that diary, it looks like the place has become nastier and more narrow-minded that RedState ever was.

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...give us a heads up so we can get a jump start on comments before they notice it's there. THEY broke it, they own it - and they ain't gonna pin that crap on us (and they WILL try).

We GAVE THEM a candidate who could actually WIN, and they did all they could to tear him limb from limb and to smear the rest of us.

That said, my gut says that Trump's people aren't as sophisticated about rigging machines as her people are, and we just don't have any idea who's going to turn out to even cast ballots for the main party candidates. Anything could happen.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

After the election, when it becomes clear how much the GOS and the Hillbots have screwed America with their farcical self-importance.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

Complete and utter rejection of even the remotest possibility that Hillary is corrupt and destructive.

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There are up to 20 more comments piling on. Everyone needs to yap about how bad the comment was.
And it looks like comments are in the hiddens when there is only 1 HR'd.

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for hide rate. It does take just one if there aren't any uprates. One more flag will kill it, one uprate will save it (but may get the uprater in trouble).

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Triumph of the Swill dump.

If I wanted to wade through shit, I'd probably go to the nearest cow barn.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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all the community content tonight, and yet my eye was drawn to the TOP post first thing.

I have this burning desire to try to rescue the downtrodden, I guess.

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After "Halloween the 53rd", we will have showing of "The Return of Freddie the 75th". Free puke bags and diapers will be available for those with weak stomachs or poor sphincter control. Bring your own popcorn because the local dispensary is suspect.

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Who dumped you for someone else and hearing them fight produces a luridly satisfying schadenfreude.

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[video:https://youtu.be/nCQGQ5qBQTA width:420 height:315]

Smile

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No different than not being able to ignore the carnage when you pass a highway accident. Human nature, evidently.

Time does heal, though. Now-a-days I'm finally getting to where I can simply read reports here on C99 from the brave souls who have peeked back in, and not sully myself by showing up in person.

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in Cayuga Lake drowned, and it took divers two days to find the body in 60' of water. In the dark.

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Alligator sunset-alligator-ng-01[1].jpg
Dangerous orange waters full of crocks!

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If the titanic is sinking and they are determined to stay below deck, what can we do to encourage them to take a leap into the icy waters of uncertainty?

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