What do the Hatfields, McCoys, Jesus, Gandhi, and Progressives Have in Common?

Hello dear friends,

I'm actually more than a bit terrified to publish this essay. If you wonder WHY I wrote it, I hope that I can satisfy your curiosity with a simple "for my own personal reasons". I love the progressive cause, and many of the soldiers in that cause that I have come to know as individual people. The contents in this essay are some of my most precious and dearly held "Pearls of Wisdom". I really believe in this shit. I want to offer it to others. If some of these thoughts seem valuable, by all means feel free to take them with you. If they don't, I completely respect that and your right to disagree. My intent was merely to offer, it is your right to say, "No thank you". I also sincerely believe in the saying

Be kind to everyone you meet, for they are on a difficult journey.

When I was about sixteen I learned about the Hatfields and the McCoys. Remember them? Two families that spent years and years and years and years at war with each other. Almost three decades, in fact. A very long time. Reading the wiki entry just now, I learned that many of the ancestors on the McCoy side hailed from Scotland, just like I do. My first thought was, “That figures”, because being stubborn seems to run in my family, and man, I could tell you stories. The ancestry of the Hatfields isn't mentioned though, hmmm, that's interesting. Also interesting is that most everyone involved was on the side of the Confederacy, except for the first guy who got murdered: he was a Union soldier. On top of that, both families were making and selling illegal moonshine … funny how I didn't remember that bit from back when I was a teenager, but now it seems like a hugely important bit to know (IMHO, the first and most important rule to remember when it comes to politics is “follow the money”).

Everyone knows how the story goes, right? The first person killed (apparently because he was a Union soldier) happened to be a McCoy. Out of anger and vengeance and family solidarity, the McCoy side “got even” by killing a Hatfield. Did the Hatfield's agree, and think “Ok, that was fair, now we are even”? No, of course not. THEY now felt victimized by this crime against THEM, and out of anger and vengeance they decided to “get even” by killing another McCoy. And a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad cycle began.

Round 1: Hatfields kill a McCoy. Victim: McCoys: Villian: Hatfields

Round 2: McCoys kill a Hatfield. Victim: Hatfields: Villian: McCoys

Round 3: Hatfields kill a McCoy. Victim: McCoys: Villian: Hatfields (same as Round 1)

Round 4: McCoys kill a Hatfield. Victim: Hatfields: Villian: McCoys (same as Round 2)

The cycle has the potential to become an "infinite loop," to use language that the kids are using these days, lol; it has the potential to repeat forever. Each side seems to have a selective memory: they focus only on the transgressions against them; they forget the evils that they have committed against their foes; and they perceive the evils that they commit as being justified by the evils committed by the other side.

When will it ever possibly end? In the case of these two families, the cycle continued for almost 30 years. And this cycle is not at all unique in human history. Shakespeare wrote about it in his tale of Romeo and Juliet. The wars between the Catholics and the Protestants went on for hundreds of years in much of Europe, and tensions are still hot in Northern Ireland. The conflict between Israelis and Palestinians remains an open sore that refuses to heal. Shall I go on? Some think religion alone is to blame for these issues. I disagree. I blame human nature, a tendency in all of us to engage in tribalistic thinking. We seem to focus on crimes against "our own", and seem blind to the crimes that our side commits on others. And now I am thinking of the refusal of many "Democrats" to see the horrific acts of Hillary herself, all because she is perceived as being "one of them".

When I was about sixteen, I also learned about Jesus. I suspect many of you might be worried because I've thrown out this word so let me say: these day I primarily think of myself as a "follower of the teachings of Jesus", not a “Christian” per se. I try to follow the teachings; I fail far too often, but I try. The word “Christian” has become ambiguous and tainted and loaded, which makes me very sad, and yet I refuse to cede that word to those with whom I strongly disagree because I love the teachings of Jesus far too much. In that sentence are many discussions, important discussions, that I'd prefer to hold at another time, if you don't mind. Today I want to narrowly talk about one story: a time when I was innocently and naively “searching for the true religion that God wanted me to follow” and I read a certain story in Matthew about “turning the other cheek”. It goes something like this:

Matthew 5:38-40 King James Version (KJV)

38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

The truth is, I could write an entire chapter now about how much this teaching means to me. I could talk to you about Les Miserables, and how the Priest who hosted Jean val Jean demonstrated the amazing power that I think these words can hold. I also could talk to you about Mahatma Gandhi, who was also greatly affected by these words – I believe that they were a core part of his commitment to non-violence, which not only achieved remarkable results in India, they also indirectly and directly inspired Dr. King to use them, which in turn achieved remarkable results during the Civil Rights movement. There is so very much that I could say, and want to say, but for now I will focus on a time when I was sixteen years old and I read this little bit of Matthew. My response in that moment was to think about the Hatfields and the McCoys. In order to end their feud, someone must have essentially turned the other cheek, right? That had to be true. Somewhere in that endless cycle, some weirdo must have said, "Enough! No more! This madness has to end!" And then that guy decided to swallow their hate and/or do whatever they needed to do to restrain themselves from seeking vengeance for their very fresh pain and loss, because they realized that they in fact also had Power; they finally realized that they in fact had a choice: they could retaliate, which would inspire their enemies to do the same, once again; or they could turn the other cheek, and thus end the cycle of violence. As I mulled over these thoughts, it occurred to me that turning the other cheek was actually a profoundly brilliant action. But at the same time, I recognized that turning the other cheek was not intuitive at all, in fact it was pretty much the exact opposite of what my own instincts call loudly and insistently for me to do when I am grievously wronged. The words "almost otherworldly wisdom" bounced into my mind, and I remember thinking, “I don't know if Jesus is actually the Son of God, but if anyone is, this guy would be the guy”.

For those of you who are getting nervous because of my words, let me say that today I believe that Jesus was just a man. According to Occam's razor, the simplest hypothesis is usually the correct hypothesis, right? What could be simpler than assuming that Jesus was just a man, in the same fundamental way that other men are just men? Jesus was a Jew, as it turns out his teachings are very Jewish; He appeared to be following in the great footsteps of Hillel, but taking Hillel's ideas one step further in Jesus' own way. I love the philosophy of Jesus, and perceive that many other persons admire it as well, including Gandhi, who allegedly said (it is now in dispute by right-wingers, sigh):

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Somewhere over the course of time, Christianity stopped being the religion OF Jesus and started becoming a religion ABOUT Jesus. Those who care MOST about the teachings of Jesus are following the religion OF Jesus. Those who care MOST about the teachings of Paul are following a religion ABOUT Jesus. The two are actually quite different.

I'm "that guy", that stupid and often lonely guy (who is actually a woman, but whatever), who actually and sincerely strives to be "like my Christ". Just saying. THAT is where I am coming from. Again, lots and lots of very fertile territory for other discussions that I'd rather not engage in right at this moment if you don't mind, pretty pretty please.

The only way, I think, for the cycle of injustice, misery, and hate that gets started whenever a crime is committed against an innocent person is for some person who is innocent at some point in the cycle to “turn the other cheek”. In other words, instead of seeking vengeance that is rightfully theirs according to the reasoning of many/most human beings, these odd creatures instead choose to "forgive their enemy" or maybe I should instead say "act according to their higher principles instead of their base human desire to strike out and hurt their enemy". Man, this step is hard, it is fucking, FUCKING hard, but I think that it is necessary (or at least, I think that it is mostly necessary and I'm not sure under which conditions it should not be taken? I don't have all the answers). Otherwise, the cycle will never, ever end, because the human desire to “get even” actually becomes almost a form of slavery that deceptively feels good for a fleeting, FLEETING moment but results in TREMENDOUS misery over time.

And therefore, turning the other cheek is not only a “moral thing” to do, it can also be considered a “logical” thing to do, IMHO. A smart thing to do.

I realize that this is a huge concept, and I also want to admit that I don't have all of the answers. I am not saying that it is acceptable to be victimized. I am trying to say that at the heart of the teachings of Jesus, Gandhi, and Dr. King, is a notion of turning the other cheek as a means of fighting injustice. Again, it is not easy, this technique is horrifically difficult. But in the past it has been used to achieve certain REMARKABLE SUCCESS, perhaps even MIRACULOUS SUCCESS, as demonstrated by both Gandhi and Dr. King. Gandhi encouraged his followers to consider themselves “soldiers for peace”, and stated that they needed to be willing to be injured and even die in their fight for the cause. And now I cannot resist the urge to embed a few precious clips of Gandhi (as impersonated by Ben Kingsley):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft4eTzhaUAc

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft4eTzhaUAc]

From the screenplay (and take a close look at the actor who plays FIRST YOUTH, who was then an unknown named Daniel Day-Lewis):

JOHANNESBURG SUBURB. EXTERIOR. MORNING.

They have come to a turning, nearer to town, the area poorer, run-down. Ahead of them three youths (twenty, twenty-one) in working clothes, carrying lunch boxes, lean indolently against a building directly in their path. They react to the sight of Gandhi – fun. Then stride the pavement menacingly. One of them tosses aside his cigarette.

FIRST YOUTH: Hey – look what's comin'!
SECOND YOUTH: A white shepherd leading a brown sammy!
CHARLIE: Perhaps I should –

Gandhi restrains him and shakes his head.

GANDHI: Doesn't the New Testament say, "If your enemy strikes you on the right cheek, offer him the left"?

He starts to move forward. Charlie hesitates, then follows nervously, more nervous for Gandhi than himself.

CHARLIE: I think perhaps the phrase was used metaphorically . . . I don't think our Lord meant –

They are getting closer. The youths laughing, whispering.

GANDHI: I'm not so certain. I have thought about it a great deal. I suspect he meant you must show courage – be willing to take a blow – several blows – to show you will not strike back – nor will you be turned aside . . . And when –

One youth has flicked his cigarette – hard. It lands at Gandhi's feet. He pauses, looking at the youth.

GANDHI: . . . and when you do that it calls upon something in human nature – something that makes his hate for you diminish and his respect increase. I think Christ grasped that and I – I have seen it work.

He starts forward again, he is almost on the youths – clearly frightened, but . . .

GANDHI: Good morning.
FIRST YOUTH: Get off the pavement, you bloody –

And he reaches forth to haul Gandhi from the pavement, but –

A WOMAN'S VOICE: Colin! Colin! What are you doing?

A woman is leaning out of an upstairs window, looking down at the fracas disconcertedly. It is the first youth's mother and her presence reduces the pitch of his hostility considerably.

FIRST YOUTH: Nuthing . . . nuthing. We were just cleaning up the neighborhood a little.

A snickering response from the other youths – but they are embarrassed by the questioning disapproval of Colin's mother's attitude. There's no note of apology in her cold stare at Gandhi, but she clearly believes her son should not be doing what he is doing.

COLIN'S MOTHER: You're already late for work. I thought you'd gone ten minutes ago.

The moment of crisis has passed. Nothing will happen while she is there. Gandhi steps back on the pavement, addressing the first youth.

GANDHI: You'll find there's room for us both.

And he steps around him, Charlie trailing, as the first youth stares at them sullenly.
As they stride on, Charlie glancing back –

CHARLIE (relieved): That was lucky.
GANDHI: I thought you were a man of God.
CHARLIE (wittily, but making his point): I am. But I'm not so egotistical as to think He plans His day around my dilemmas.

Gandhi laughs as they turn the corner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hS1YWtalPY

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hS1YWtalPY]

From the screenplay:

GANDHI: I praise such courage. I need such courage – because in this cause, I too am prepared to die . . . (A response; he looks at Tyeb Mohammed) But, my friend, there is no cause for which I am prepared to kill.

He looks at the audience. This is the more sober Gandhi they have come to know.

GANDHI: I have asked you here tonight because despite all their troops and police, I think there is a way to defeat this law. Whatever they do to us we will attack no one, kill no one . . . But we will not (the climatic point) give our fingerprints – not one of us.

He looks down at the police, making the point stick. There is a tentative reaction from the audience, but uncertain.

GANDHI: They will imprison us, they will fine us. They will seize our possessions. But they cannot take away our self-respect if we do not give it to them.
A VOICE FROM THE GALLERY: Have you been to prison? They'll beat us and torture us! I say –
GANDHI: I am asking you to fight – ! (It catches the audience a little, holds them.) To fight against their anger – not to provoke it!

He has their attention now.

GANDHI: We will not strike a blow – but we will receive them. And through our pain we will make them see their injustice (quickly) and it will hurt, as all fighting hurts! (Utter silence.) . . . But we cannot lose. We cannot. (He looks down at the police.) Because they may torture my body, may break my bones, even kill me . . . (Up to the house) They will then have my dead body – not my obedience.

And now he gets the response he has wanted. Firm, mature, determined. Gandhi holds up his hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiafEeJETQg

[video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiafEeJETQg]

I've included this last clip, which is an interview of Kingsley, because he gives some of his own personal testimony, and I personally find it very powerful. He was asked essentially "Can you capsulize what you have learned from this experience?" he gave a lovely answer that includes:

... What really impressed me about Gandhi, and is possibly a simple lesson that I can apply to myself is, uh ... a very simple phrase that he coined, although it's not in our film, I got it from my research, and it's "Politics begins with the person next to you", which is for me a marvellous exercise in life so that, in a sense, the pressure of perhaps subscribing to a political doctrine or an ideal, and I always find those a bit too rigid, goes straight out of the window and you are on your own to make up your own politics of life, entirely dependent on how you treat ... [laughter] ... well, the person next to you, or the people in the same room. And that for me is a marvellous, simple exercise in life and I find it much more enjoyable ...

Ok, then ... I've covered Hatfields, McCoys, Jesus … what about Progressives? Breathe in, breathe out, here I go as I try to write the more difficult words ...

I want to say that it breaks my heart that the folks I love at KFS and the folks I love at WotB are not all getting along. I see that much pain has been endured by both sides. I want the pain to stop, and I want all of us to be working together to advance the progressive agenda.

Hate begets Hate. Love begets Love. I believe that the only way to conquer Hate is with Love.

Aren't these words part of the guiding wisdom that informs the progressive cause?

As I see it, mistakes have been made. I don't want to point any fingers, I refuse to point fingers. Jesus also said, “Judge not, lest you be judged” and also something about motes, and beams, and eyes. I sincerely believe in that shit. I try my best not to judge. I am just as flawed a human being as anybody else and believe in the concept that I should first work to clean up my own garbage before criticizing the garbage of others. Believe it or not one of my own curses is that I am far too aware of my own flaws, and they horrify me, sometimes to the point of paralysis (I arrogantly like to read about the Dunning–Kruger effect at such moments, hypocritical bastard that I am). I am a recovering perfectionist (my hubby sometimes tells me that I should change the recovering to recovered, lol. He seems to think I am more masterful at not being perfect than I give myself credit for, sweet guy that he is ;-). I never mean to blow it, but I frequently do, of course. And knowing that I myself blow it makes it easier, not always but today most of the time, for me to forgive. Because when I forgive others for their mistakes, the stupid part of my brain (the reptilian part, for those who know what I am talking about, the brain stem) seems to also think that it is ok for me to forgive and be at peace with all of my own imperfections. And that is a lovely feeling, to be one step closer to being at peace with my own lousy and flawed self.

Okay, I think I'm mostly done, and I will stop. Sunday is a day for sermons. Is this a sermon? Fuck it, maybe it is, I don't know, I don't really mean for it to be (or maybe I do, but only in the gentlest possible way). Again, this essay is my attempt to share a bit of my own personal truth. I'm not trying to TELL anyone else what to do, but instead offer thoughts that some persons in the community. that I love so very much, might find useful. I personally value having these thoughts, which I perhaps arrogantly think of as "insights", and that inspires me to share. If they don't work for you, that's cool too, and I genuinely hope you have a lovely day.

XO XO XO ~OaWN

P.S. One last thing - In all of my attempts at parenting, many of which have been failures but occasionally I do something right, lol, one little piece of gold that I somehow stumbled upon, God only knows how, is the concept of a do-over. When there is a agreement that crap has happened and we are all tired of it and we just want to let it go, someone asks, "Can we have a do-over on this?" I think that the answer has always been yes, so I'm not really sure what would happen if someone would feel the need to say no.

But if everyone can say YES, then I have to tell you the result and the feeling is awesome. We can move forward and folks really do try to let the bad stuff all go, and yet, the previous sharing of everyone's truth on the topic is somehow remembered as a useful exercise to help us all "go forward and sin no more", if you know what I am trying to say? We ARE better people because of the experience and especially the conversation, and because of our own striving for personal integrity - which I trust is there in every one of us - we try to keep that our newfound knowledge in mind moving forward. Ok, that's really and truly all I have to say for now, thank you for reading my very long essay if you have actually managed to make it all of this to the very end.

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I can think of some do-overs that I'd like.

I kinda wish I'd had a 'just humor me, please,' button with my dad. I think he wanted to be open-minded, but if things weren't in his (and/or my stepmother's) mind already, it didn't exist. I think it's sad he didn't want any input from me. I think he would have liked me ok had he tried. Dunno.

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I am officially inept when replying to the last comment on c99.

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been deaf with my previous answer. I think it's sad that he didn't want any input from you. I think he would have LOVED you MASSIVELY if he had tried. One thing that I think I have learned about narcissm - these people don't believe they are better than other people (at least the ones I knew up close). No, instead they have been hurt so badly that they are obsessively focused on their own situation and their own pain, so obsessively that they are blind to the situation of others. They are so focused on trying to keep safe themselves, and internally justifying the rightness of their own actions, that they simply fail to step back, shut up, and LISTEN to what others have to say.

At least that was my experience. Maybe that was true of your folks, maybe not, but my frame allows me to have empathy for my parents, and that in turn makes me feel good about myself. YMMV, of course, sadly.

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Love you lady! And I agree, do overs are almost magical. On that one, at least, I think I got it right.

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at being consistently inept at replying to the last comment on c99. I think that is truly my gift in life.

Kind of reminds me of the time that a Dance-Dance-Revolution machine, that I had put four quarters into so that I could practice and improve my skills, issued me a message like

FAIL! FAIL! FAIL!

to tell me to go away. And so I've had the unique honor to have been told by a computer, that I had PAID GOOD MONEY TO, that I was wasting ITS time. Such are moments that one does not forget easily.

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What a treasure you are, JekylInHyde. An absolute treasure. Your ability astounds me.

Thank you for injecting so much humor onto this particular page, it is very much appreciated!

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but I kind of love it as answer. And especially the cartoon, which is Fucking Awesome!

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Confused here.

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Just focus on what seems useful to you, if anything actually does, from the essay. I imagine that different persons will take different things away from this essay, but I'd like the focus to be on the essay itself, not WHY I wrote it.

I know that I put some things in there that might be confusing to some. I apologize, I could not think of another way to do it. Just be content that that part is not for you, if you possibly can. Thank you so much.

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Never mind. It just came to me. My mind was still stuck back in the rift with DK. Sorry. I read both Reddit subs all the time and find there is a lot of overlap. I had no clue there was any rift so it must not be that major. I think there was concern among many about the attempt - now aborted- to rein in the content on KFS some way but that seemed to pass as the mods re-calibrated. I think many of us react very quickly to any hint of control after the DK nightmare. Anyway, why is this essay over here instead of initiated on the Reddit subs ? I love both subs and the Jill Stein and Revolution ones too. I love it here too and at Progressive Wing also. It is a joy to have so many sources of good info . I honestly stopped missing DK entirely. Thanks to all for that.

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First and foremost, reddit is kind of a crappy place to write essays, IMHO. There is not an ability to embed images and videos as there is here on c99.

I've been cross-posting in this way for a while now. So have some other authors, including Steven_D. I think of c99 as the twin sister for KFS, and have loved having the opportunity to both

  • write essays using what I think are better formatting options available here (such as embedding images and video clips) and
  • read such essays from other members.

I think of The Progressive Wing as the little sister in our family. Many brilliant people travelled as refugees to all three places.

And it turns out, by publishing here on c99, and cross-posting to it from reddit, it creates an opportunity for reddit users to find out about this place called caucus99percent, and hopefully catch on to all the great content and discussion opportunties that are available over here. And hopefully decide to pitch in and support a great cause.

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All of that makes sense Thank you Hopefully all the related Reddit subs, and C99 , and Progressive Wing, and even JackPineRadicals see themselves as one extended progressive family growing out of the DK diaspora. I value and and benefit from all the sites and communities.

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John said "Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me" which is similar to that Gandhi quote.

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they don't actually comprehend that. They are following the teachings of Paul, not the teachings of Jesus.

The message that Jesus gave to his followers was essentially a message he was sending to the Jews. IMHO, he was a rabbi, basically doing what rabbis of the time tended to do, which was basically to try to get the Jews to "straighten up and fly right." Which if you stop and think about it, is really not very different than what most ministers tend to do from the pulpit these days, trying get those in the audience to pay more attention to important things and try to do a better job.

Paul was a Jew who for his own reasons (and I believe those included guilt at having been such a zealous persecutor of what he concluded in hindsight were innocent people) decided on his own to become an "apostle" and spread his own interpretation of what Jesus' words and actions actually meant. That message was in fact very different than the message that The Twelve were spreading at that time, after Jesus had died. But much of this truth has been muddled and lost to most over the sands of time.

I love to talk about this subject, but it is rather OT from what I'm trying to focus on in this essay. I'd like the focus of discussion to be on the concept of turning the other cheek, if those in the community are open to that.

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A furore occurred in August 1966 after John Lennon's remark that The Beatles had become "more popular than Jesus" was quoted by American teen magazine Datebook. Lennon originally made the remark when English newspaper reporter Maureen Cleave interviewed him for her series on the lifestyles of the four individual Beatles. When published in the United Kingdom in March 1966, Lennon's words provoked no public reaction...

The controversy erupted on the eve of the band's 1966 US tour. The strength and scale of the reaction against the Beatles led their manager, Brian Epstein, to consider cancelling the tour for fear of their lives. Two press conferences were held in the US, where both Epstein and Lennon expressed their regret at words taken out of context and offence taken. Christian spokesmen pointed out that Lennon had only stated what the church was itself saying about the decline of Christianity. The US tour went ahead but there was disruption and intimidation, including picketing of concerts by the Ku Klux Klan. At one concert the band believed they were the target of gunfire. From the close of the 1966 tour until their break-up in 1970, the group never played another commercial concert.

In August 1966, five months after Cleave's article appeared in the Evening Standard, American teen magazine Datebook printed a quote from Lennon's words on its front cover. There was uproar in response, starting with an announcement by two radio stations in Alabama and Texas that they had banned Beatles music from their playlists. WAQY DJ Tommy Charles said, "We just felt it was so absurd and sacrilegious that something ought to be done to show them that they can't get away with this sort of thing." Around two dozen other stations followed suit with similar announcements. Some stations in the South went further, organising demonstrations with bonfires, drawing hordes of teenagers to publicly burn their Beatles records and other memorabilia. The Memphis city council, aware that a Beatles concert was scheduled at the Mid-South Coliseum during the band's imminent US tour, voted to cancel it rather than have "municipal facilities be used as a forum to ridicule anyone's religion." The Ku Klux Klan nailed a Beatles album to a wooden cross, vowing "vengeance", and conservative groups staged further public burnings of Beatles records.

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demonstrating what great Christians they are. Religion and Politics seem to go hand in hand, and when a religion has a great numbers advantage over all others, the political instinct to to abuse that situation seems to rear it's ugly head, IMHO.

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I like to think that progressives believe in putting Christian values of feeding, clothing, sheltering, etc the less fortunate into our government policies. Caring for people. Walking the talk? so to speak. The other side; not so much.

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ourselves, and that weakens our power I think. I'd like for us to become experts at working together, but that is obviously easier said than done.

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that progressives are more caring, etc., but decades of observation have failed to convince me that we enjoy any special status in that area. It seems to me more that other equally-caring people prefer approaching these issues in other ways, i.e., that it's not the goals that differ but the proposed means of attaining them.

At a more fundamental level, believing that one group is in some way better than another is a really lousy way to go about reaching common ground (if that's the intent rather than achieving some kind of 'victory'). Empathy seems to play a very large role in the little I know about the teachings of Jesus, and people can't reasonably expect it of others if it's lacking in themselves.

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I loved the essay. Thank you.

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That really means a lot to me Smile

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I was just reading this book by Raza Aslan (Turkish for "lion" BTW) which is another well done attempt to extract the historical Jesus from the gospels and what we know about the period.

The thing that fascinated me was that his Jesus was part of a Galilean tradition of itinerant preachers who were railing against the depredations of the 1%. In those days, the 1% were the temple priesthood (who were living large on the remains of required sacrifices) the Romans and the new professional class of bankers and landowners that grew up around them. These people were bleeding the rural peasantry dry and the predicable response was a series of rabble rousers who tried to start a rebellion against their oppressors.

Jesus in this telling was the most successful in that his words have survived to the present day. The truly depressing thing is that the oppression we are talking about every day here is not new. It was pointed out over two thousand years ago by possibly the most famous man in history - and we still haven't learned. As the song from the musical Godspell goes:

I sent you prophets,
I sent you preachers,
Sages and ragers,
Ages of teachers
Nothing can mar your mood.

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg

OLinda's picture

Glad I finally opened this essay to see what it was about. Sorry to be so late stopping in. Just want to tell you I really like it. Thank you for posting.

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mhagle's picture

Beautiful essay. Thank you for the love. Smile

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo

but pragmatists like me will still be inclined to observe that some situations may not allow an infinite amount of time for such idealism to prevail.

To such pragmatists (and often to myself) I would say, at least before engaging in actual battle try to give the adversary enough benefit of the doubt that they (and you) will have an opportunity to begin to reach agreement if you are ever likely to. At least sometimes that will work, and the more experienced you become at it the more often it will.

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I understand your reluctance to identify as a "Christian" because so many of the "Christians" we hear from are so obviously whack.
Allow me to recommend Radical The Book: http://chesterstreet.blogspot.com/2012/05/book-review-david-platt-radica...

And God's Politics: http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2005/03/gods-politics-interview-jim-wa...

Jim Wallis also edits Sojourner Magazine: https://sojo.net

Personally, I started identifying as a Quaker 5-10 years ago, because of all the prosperity gospel and bomb them in the name of Jesus crap. Now I understand that my beliefs, based on my informed conscience, are irrefutable.

What I choose to believe and how I live my life are between me and God. Nobody has the right or the authority to question my beliefs.

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"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn

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It reminded me of the stories a junior pastor in a church I used to attend would tell about Jesus. He would get all excited when he was talking about him that he'd have to take off his jacket. His version of JC really made an impression on me. He seemed like this really cool guy who was part sage, part psychologist, and part spiritual guru.

I wish Jesus was still here. We could really use him.

Thanks for sharing.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier