A partial realignment is already happening
I suppose the inspiration for this piece is from a piece by Jake Johnson with lots of fabulous links in Common Dreams:
Justifying the shift in terms of defeating Donald Trump, Clinton and her allies have been "aggressively courting Republican leaders" and their right-leaning donors within the business community (she has also chosen as her running mate a pro-Wall Street "cash machine").
Earlier this week, Hewlett Packard executive Meg Whitman, typically a strong fundraiser for the Republican Party, announced that she would be supporting Clinton, both at the ballot box and through donations.
This endorsement followed those of Michael Bloomberg, Mark Cuban, and Warren Buffett.
But the focus on high-profile billionaires obscures the broader discussion of the Democratic Party's move away from labor and toward wealthier, white-collar professionals, whose views on economic issues in particular are often antithetical to the ambitious changes necessary to combat the trends that have left millions without even the most basic of necessities.
This is the realignment I've been discussing here at c99%. The Republican Party is imploding, and the Democratic Party is growing. At some point there will be a uniparty, such as existed before 1833 in the United States. As Sanders supporters such as Tulsi Gabbard endorse Clinton out of fear of a Republican candidate who is losing and who may drop out (as he once suggested in October of 2015) as a result, Jill Stein is obliged to select Ajamu Baraka (reinforcing the sectarian character of the Green Party) because she couldn't get Nina Turner.
If enough races like this year's race are conducted, the Republican Party will become a regional party (perhaps bigger than the AIP of 1968, but not much so). They will continue to strike terror in the hearts of the liberals long after their ability to do worse than the Democrats has shrunk to zero.
Oh well. It looked good for awhile.
The Green Party attained no small portion of the stature it has now because of Ralph Nader, who attracted a wide following to the Green Party when he ran under its banner in 2000. Nader is of course a man with a number of political shortcomings -- most distinctly his preference for short campaigns and his refusal to actually become a Green. But he was the best we had. He had money and friends and he could campaign well.
It lost much of that stature when, in a rigged convention in Milwaukee in June of 2004, David Cobb was granted the Green Party nomination under a "Vote Kerry and Cobb" banner erected above him by a number of prominent "leftists." A sure sign that you've got a sectarian party is if your party starts endorsing another party. Nominating Cynthia McKinney in 2008 and Jill Stein in 2012 did not revitalize the Green Party in any significant way.
For the past forty years "the Left" has been "constituted" by two groups:
1) Sectarians, whose membership in "the Left" is measured by their belonging to tiny "Left" vanguard parties which exclude the vast majority of the working class because said working class does not follow the party line, and:
2) Sellouts, whose membership in "the Left" is measured by their self-proclamation, their obedience to "Left" standards of etiquette, and their production of reprehensibly right-wing politics.
(For a brief period of time, the Sanders campaign mixed things up so that one could feel some sort of ephemeral sense of not belonging to either category.)
The Green Party cannot, of course, stop being a sectarian party on its own. Its old members' own efforts will only make it more of a sectarian party -- remember, the mark of a sectarian party is that it is COMPOSED of the pure-hearted types who are left when everyone else has gone off in search of a) real politics, b) other types of sectarianism, c) selling out, or d) a bite to eat. So if the Green Party is to be made into a better party, it must be taken over.
And I really don't understand why this fantastic attachment to the Democratic Party -- if the DNC rigs the primaries against the preferred Presidential candidate, what makes Nina Turner/ Tulsi Gabbard et al. think it won't do the same for the preferred downticket candidates? Therefore I advocate realignment.
But realignment won't happen in a way that will benefit us, if the interests who advocate for us don't also advocate realignment. Instead, we will just get the uniparty, and the nice liberals will continue to pretend that they can take over the Democratic Party. Now's clearly the best time to act against this scenario.
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How do we ever get it together?
The Sanders campaign brought a lot of people together ostensibly inside the Democratic party tent, but not really. And the Democratic party has been shoving us back outside the tent as brusquely and quickly as possible since the Triumph of the Hill. It remains to be seen, I think, what will happen to us now. Will we splinter and dissipate -- the traditional fate of leftist movements? Will we align behind a Stein presidential candidacy, and use the momentum to take over and remake the Greens? Do splittist movements like Brand New Congress create enough gravity to begin pulling disparate pieces together?
I suspect Hillary's Democratic party will do even more than Bill's or Barack's party to alienate the left. The Sellouts -- perfect term for those self-defined "progressives" at certain other places we could name, who can't get enough of enthusiastically supporting whatever right-wing shit wears a Blue jersey -- will reliably help in this project. How long will we wander in the desert before we glimpse the promised land?
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No idea.
Do you think anyone will show up in Houston for the Green Party convention?
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I don't think the Green Party is mature
But am no expert on the subject. I do see the potential for a powerful movement to coalesce, as Occupy and the Sanders campaign showed. I also see a conservative political establishment ready to quash it in any way it can, or to divert it to right-wing nationalist populism.
The next big shock to our system may well decide which direction it takes. Will a big Terrrist attack hit us? If so, the right wingers will triumph. Will Hillary start another war? That one could go either way. Will Wall Street again tank the economy for fun and profit? That might be our best chance to develop the momentum to push the Democrats to the right and finally bring a strong Social Democratic movement to America.
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It is the revenge of the
It is the revenge of the Goldwater campaign!
I flat out don't trust BNC or Our Revolution.
That trust has to be earned, and they haven't done that yet.
What I see happening is an entrenchment of neo-fascism under the guise of working within a "broad, cross-partisan right-centrist" uniparty, with anybody outside of the sphere of acceptable debate effectively marginalized as "fringe". That's not a prediction, it's a description of what currently exists.
If I were to be the type to predict outcomes in the political sphere, my prediction would be that by the end of Hillary's second term the US will have entered a period of dystopia that is a combination of Orwell and Huxley, but more Orwell than Huxley. We already see plenty of revisionist propaganda and covert control and manipulation of the media by political organizations. It just will take a nudge a bit further down the path of perpetual conflict to get us there. And Hillary is all too happy to do that.
I just think there aren't enough actual leftists in America to fight it. At least not right now.
I thought if anything, this election showed that the country
is filled to the brim with people leaning left who know they are getting an economic screwing. How many believe that the only reason Hillary is the Dem nominee is because of superdelegates combined with voter suppression and whatever other machinations they could pull off?
So I see no reason whatsoever to discount the number of progressives/liberals who are united on living wages, single payer, free higher education, a Justice Department with justice, civil rights (Black Lives Matter and voting rights plus getting rid of all aspects of for-profit justice and civil seizures and municipalities funding themselves with bogus warrants and fines) anti-trade pact, environmentalism, money out of politics, etc.
The core issues have been well-defined, better defined than I've ever seen them, and not just a catch-all of so-called "special interests" unless you want to call the well-being of 99% of the nation's citizens a special interest.
The only issue I see is this cohesive (for once) group needs to find a place to stay coalesced and unified and to consolidate their power.
IMO the best temporary home for the Bernies is the Green Party. No, they probably won't win but it's shelter from the storm and a big showing by the Greens would help a lot in the future with ballot access, public funding, presence in the public eye, etc. The Greens seem to have shown themselves to be pretty welcoming since the Bernies are their chance to hit the bigtime in one fell swoop. IMO, the Greens and the influx should unite officially as soon as possible in the new year, and announce the name of the blended Party and the platform and then get to work right away to getting rosters of candidates for the 2018 elections.
I think that's the best and quickest way to put together a true Third Party.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
Very well stated Phoebe,
and this:
"The core issues have been well-defined, better defined than I've ever seen them, and not just a catch-all of so-called "special interests" unless you want to call the well-being of 99% of the nation's citizens a special interest."
...is particularly true.
The problem is, as you say:
"The only issue I see is this cohesive (for once) group needs to find a place to stay coalesced and unified and to consolidate their power."
However, I do not see the Green Party as being an advantageous place, not even a temporary one, for keeping this cohesive group unified. It is a quarrelsome and dogmatic place, that seems ill-suited for the broad-based, tolerant, and decidedly populist nature of the Sanders coalition. Trying to "take it over" would be a task in itself, probably involving much fruitless infighting... and what would be taken over? An unpopular Party with lots of baggage and a thoroughly mediocre leadership?
I don't know. At first I was all in favor of Jill Stein, because she really is a good person, but the more I consider the Party she heads, the less attractive it looks. Ajamu Baraka? Is that really an intelligent choice for a Party that aspires to wider acceptance? I think we need to avoid ideological dogmatism, not to court it. All in all, we might be better off starting from scratch.
What we really need is strong leadership, and we haven't got any. At least, none that I can see as of yet. A popular movement needs visionary leadership, to focus on, and to coalesce around. Unfortunately a leader like Bernie Sanders doesn't come along every day.
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If not now, never.
If HRC wins a second term, game over. They win, we lose. Big. The "Middle Class" will be those still earning $20 an hour. I made $20 an hour in 1992. That was middle class money back then. What teachers earned. Most of us will be lucky to be making $20 an hour in 2024 after Team HRC sets "The Economy" back 30 years. The future looks so bright I'm glad I'm semi-retired, soon looking for that Exit ramp from the working world. Give me more time to fight these asshat mofos.
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Triumph of the Hill, indeed! While their is much less of a racial or religious bias (unless you are Muslim) in Her campaign, she still seeks to create a government where corporate interests dominate the government and benefit from its excesses against the rest of the world. She many not like how TPP is written only because it doesn't go far enough to enhance corporate power in Her opinion.
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
What's his face with the unpronounceable name
“This corrupt, degenerate, white supremacist monstrosity called the United States.”
Yeah, I'm going to vote for this guy. Not even for dog-catcher. Let him go to Libya.
Justice for white blue collar workers? Nowhere to be seen. Even Bernie Sanders has turned on us to endorse and actively campaign for Wall street's candidate. I don't trust Trump, but there is no one left. Won't vote for Stein after she picked that asshole for a running mate.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Don't tell me you're giving up on realignment
because of Ajamu Baraka.
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
The selection of Baraka
Has assured the Green Party will get no more than 5% of the vote. If that...They have gone from almost mainstream to very fringe.
But that has always been a criticism of the far left. They'd rather maintain ideological purity than win. And they have never made any sort of effort to do the hard work of party building at a local level. Here in NY Howie Hawkins got the Greens the 4th spot on the ballot after the Working Families Party put Cuomo on their line. But there has been no follow up.
As you said, if the Greens are going to do anything there will have to be a takeover by a new coalition.
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Matt Funiciello got nearly
10% of the vote, if not 10%, here in 21 in 2014, without my vote. He campaigned hard and I was impressed with his 10% given the mostly Red district this is. Imaggine the Greens getting 15% here in NY. That would be Yuuuge, and prove to be a difference maker come voting day.
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Gotta get a bigger clothespin
and here I was hoping to avoid the use of one, for once. But Mr Baraka stinks of Social Justice Warfare (and/or Injustice Collection), which bodes no good at all.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Got to give him more of chance
He says some pretty good things in this interview:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH3KkKYeYYU]
Baraka > Kaine > Pence
Beware the bullshit factories.
You assume someone is going to hear him and then listen too?
Nope, he sealed the Greens to fringe. They needed Gabbi, Nina, somebody with some mainstream name recognition.
Everybody just needs to accept the fact that President Hillary it is, and all of our kids will be Uber drivers if they aren't in jail. I realize these greedy slime buckets are all about corporate domination of the globe, but I am now doubly glad and hopeful about my family's dual citizenship with the EU because it is all that is left.
I am no fan of Trump or his politics, but I find the malicious feeding frenzy that is going on over him and his family absolutely barbaric and disgusting. Nothing is off-limits if it applies to Trump.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
The harder it is for Hillary
The less legitimate of a President she will be. In everybody's but Hillbot's eye's, she is already illegitimate due to stealing the primary and being reckless with national security and lying like hell. I hope Hillary doesn't get to 270 electoral votes and that Congress has to appoint her.
Beware the bullshit factories.
It just makes things harder.
The transformation of the Green Party can begin at any time, but none of the more famous Berniecrats appear to have picked up on the idea of realignment at all. I'd really like to hear or read their objections to the concept as I've laid it out here. Why do they think that some sort of takeover of the Democratic Party will succeed in 2020?
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
I don't think they believe it one bit.
They are choosing between a future for the country or their careers. They all buckled under. They went as far as they dared to go.
If there is to be a third party, it will never be Green. Bernie not only sealed our fate, he sealed the fate of the "revolution" and any third party for this election certainly. This country is far too corrupt to change. It will have to implode, and we will all be under it.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
It's not a career move either, though.
Those of us who remember Green Party history know well that nobody gave a damn about David Cobb after he ran for President in 2004.
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
I meant it was a move to salvage
what was left of Bernie and Nina Turner's careers. By refusing to run Green/third party, it's worth something in the D party - not much for certain.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
While the Greens continue
to grow I just think it's easier to primary sitting ducks ~err Dems, and fill those seats with more progressive Dems. Maybe not as easy as I think, becuz it never is, but Jesus... I don't want to think how much work it would be to advance the Greens from 10% to a more viable 3rd party 33%. It's about the time and effort involved, and I'm old and tired. Hell, I wake up tired.
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Has No One Learned From Trump?
Trump tends to keep his verbiage simple and to the point. He phrases things such that his listeners can both engage and see how they have had similar experiences. Ajamu Baraka tends to sound like Professor Obama lecturing the base to sit down, shut up, and let him handle it - assuming he hasn't put them to sleep with his delivery. He'd be eaten alive if the Greens were to be allowed to the debates. Even Pence could take him.
Looks like I'm resigned to helping the Greens get to that 5% barrier for matching funds next election. With Baraka as VP candidate, that is going to be a problem.
edited for typos
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
You always vote for the top
You always vote for the top of the ticket. We have a good start to the process. If progressive Dems, Independents and Greens come together we have a good start. Jill's ad is impressive, a softer message on issues will get traction in this cycle.
The greens are so small, that
The greens are so small, that if even 5 percent vote for it, it will overwhelm any sectarians that might control it.
Hey Cassiodorus
I'm voting for Jill and any down ticket Green or socialist I find on my ballot. Still I wonder why in this ripe for the picking scenario pick this guy. I agree with him from what I have read and yet I wonder why can't the Greens ever get it together and become at the least a viable contender and fight like a real political movement in this insane world we live in here in the USA. The Greens globally do not seem as lame as here in the US. My god they can't even seem to manage to get decent geeks to make you tubes or live stream them. Sure I'll vote for Jill what choice do I have, None. Yet still I wonder what is their problem? Money? Nah they are wimpy academics playing at politics. The People's Judean Front so sick that this lame party is all we have to counteract the complicit united forces that rule the world. What's wrong with people? How insane must it get before they really say enough.
To be fair:
"The Green Party" is now what was left behind when the various other tendencies which once thought they could challenge the duopoly (e.g. Ralph Nader supporters) quit. They're the ones who stayed with the concept.
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
Great points
and I think that right there is part of the reason for the shift by Dems to the right. Because the purists are not seen as viable, and our media only helps that narrative of "purity over pragmatism" to the point where even we on the Left no longer believe our platforms ARE viable. By making ourselves more electable, that is part of the shift to Corporate party. No "radical" Leftist is ever going to be discussed as viable in this country.
So what do we do here? Continue to sell out to viability, or go for broke and stick to our principles? I sure as hell do not have the answer to that one, but I'm leaning more every day to stick to the "radical" and let the chips fall where they may.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
History will forget you --
if you try for a brief moment to "lean to the left" and then sell out in the end.
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
I think the term purist's
is double speak. 'Ideological purist' is what I got called ad nauseam at dkos. Actually I'm not. The political class and the media online and off have carefully deconstructed the left/ center /right 'ideological' political breakdown. Moderates now there's a doozie. Same with 'pragmatic'. In what reality is killing (both humans and the planet), austerity and obscene wealth creation moderate or pragmatic? Basic universal civil and human rights are considered ponies or unicorns. In a way I think the internet and technologists, linguists have helped cause this black and white, us against them mentality. Reality is not binary. Intelligence is not automated.
Science man has with the social sciences reduced all humans to pathological case studies and data. Public opinion is shaped measured and served up as irrefutable. The tea leaf readers and strategist's use the binary choices based on the reality they work to promote as the 'world as we find it'. This way of thinking makes anyone who is humanistic or believes in those quaint 'inalienable truths' outside the new lines drawn an ideological purist. Concepts like the common good, equality,democracy, peace are concepts that are no longer pragmatic but purist. It's now selfish to question and not obey the authority of the soulless technocrat's who want to rule the world and create a pragmatic hell on earth. Fear and loathing keeps people from seeing that this sorry state is not moderate or the only reality available.
If you just accept that a Green vote is mostly a protest
vote this time around, it doesn't really matter who the VP choice is.
The good thing is, I think the guilting factor of "You're responsible for Trump!" is dissipating as we speak, since Trump's numbers are tanking like a stone and HRC is now picking up so many Republican voters. It looks like it's going to be easy to reject both evils and even to do it guiltfree as Hillary wins in a landslide.
Then, fresh from her victory and the formation of the Uniparty, Hillary and Friends will move right, probably with trade, "entitlement reform"and some sort of foreign policy entanglement and any progressives still in the Party will finally desert. Hopefully, we will have constructed some sort of life raft for them (and us) by that time. 2018 is already right around the corner.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
No, they will never desert.
They will cling to something like abortion or gay rights and say "at least she isn't against these". Economically, we're screwed, both young and old.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
realignment
Why should the Green Party be "taken over"? Do you really want to have the media calling you a carpetbagger who profits on the work others have done?
Why not start another party, sharing some of the Green's agenda, but with more emphasis on working class realities, such as excessive rents, lack of public transportation, inability to afford health care and so on?
Mary Bennett
Before we do this --
we should check the ballot access deadlines. It's hard to say, depending upon the specific place, that write-in votes will be counted.
"A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy." -- Luigi Mangione
Lists of state and deadlines, from original #BernieOrBust crew,
now using these hashtags: #SteinOrBust #JillNotHill #GreenIn2016 #SheepNoMore #WeAreNotAfraid
This is an except from a longer message:
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
About these 5,000 signatures requirement
It always sounds like people have to canvas door to door or go to the Farmers market and set up a stand or whatever. 5,000 signatures does not really sound like that daunting a goal but yet I guess it's more daunting than it appears.
I think people are resistant to door to door canvassing because they are paranoid that someone is collecting signatures for some devious purpose or they don't even open their doors in the first place. As to signing giant petitions in a public place, some people don't like their names to be on anything political that someone else can see.
SOLUTION
Why can't there be a website for every state that has a downloadable legit petition or whatever it is, that people could print out and sign themselves or have their friends sign with them and mail it back to whatever address is on the petition who could act as the central collector? I'm sure you can have disclaimer like "under the threat of perjury, I certify that I am who I am representing myself to be and am a resident of this state, blah blah blah." Is that even a possibility?
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
I've made a tool to help focus canvassing drives
You can see it here. The idea is that you can find pro-Bernie zip codes based on FEC fund raising ratios and then concentrate signature gathering there. I've updated it to remove the states that have been submitted.
(Be aware that the raw FEC data contains fake names, and they will come down on you like a ton of bricks if you try to use the data for individual solicitations.)
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
The People's Party.
There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties.. This...is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.--John Adams
The media calling
people who move to grow the Greens as a viable alternative 'carpetbaggers' would actually be an improvement to what they call any insurgents who aren't buying what they tell us is 'inevitable' and the only available reality. Who cares what the media says it's irrelevant. Their just the propaganda arm of the corporate duopoly. They specialize in keeping the culture war stirred and catapulting the fear and hate. Divide and conquer is working. People need to stop fighting on their ground. It's like saying Bernie can't run as an indie because he has integrity. Why play by the rules in this false reality where everything gets filtered through their double speak/ news speak? Is a carpetbagger is better or worse then a Bernie Bro. or an extremist far leftist Dr.Commie Rat?
Economic Populism Linking Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics
First, I am disheartened by Jill Stein's selection. It reflects....well I dunno what they're thinking...That ticket won't get 15%, probably not 5%.
We've got to figure out a way to unite Hispanics, African-Americans, and poor/working class White people. That's a big task. There are many groups and sub-groups with different interests. To me, what may connect this disparate groups the best is economic populism, which is part of what Trump is talking about (whether he means it is another question).
TPP, NAFTA, Wal-Mart, Wall Street, Monsanto, the fall in small businesses and small farms, the crap jobs, tax cuts to create trickle down bullshit, the poor quality of K-12 education, high cost of child care - to me this could become some sort of uniting theme around, well, money.
Perhaps a second unifying theme could be the sellout of politicians at all levels to money.
How to overcome the MSM and right wing radio is a major obstacle to achieving this.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."
You need to unite working and middle class (up to 250K) people
regardless of race, color, creed, ethnicity, gender, etc. Income inequality was the top plank of Bernie's platform for a reason - everyone has to "shit and eat". It has to be inclusive in appearance and in truth, or a crack will form. Then it has to be ruthless. No email, theft, family member, or lie too sacred not to be shamed and shredded. It needs a serious candidate. Someone who actually wants to win, and will fight whatever fight is necessary to do just that.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
This is the realignment I've
Meanwhile, frustrated with the inability of unaffiliated voters to spoil party primaries in favor of Bernie, scads of Bernie supporters have called for all primaries to be open, rather than recognizing that the real problem isn't closed parties, it's a closed ballot access and campaign funding system (along with the way debates are planned, establishment candidates get billions in free media, etc) that prevents independent candidates from getting any traction in a general election - where the votes actually matter.
If the Democratic-Republican party can so effectively rig its primaries against Bernie, what stops them from blocking any and all insurgents in like fashion? And when it is no longer possible to be nominated by the D-R uniparty, where will those would-be candidates go? Will they run hopeless, quixotic campaigns without the benefit of money or publicity while the D-Rs dictate to America who its new figureheads will be?
Fools! They can't fix the system if they can't understand what's wrong with it.
It really hasn't changed
all that much since that letter to Bernie - except Bernie didn't take their advice. I wish he had, but there had to be a reason why he did not. Many Berners have left Bernie in the dust to work for Jill, or have taken their ball and bat and gone home, their disgust in the process - and disappointment in "Bernie's Betrayal" - worn on their sleeve. But, anyone that's been around the block once or twice are still here. We know the ups and downs, and also know what Bernie knows - the challenge is daunting. At the very least. It's David vs. Goliah, the '62 Mets vs. the '61 Yankees, Rocky vs. Ali. But, many of us that have been around the block are still here, and aren't waiting for those waiting to wait and see what happens next. There is no time to wait, we're what happens next.
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