Open Thread - Wednesday September 23, 2015

Unfortunately, I may not have much time to interact with comments on today's Open Thread as the first of my back to back company will be arriving today. When it rains, it pours. My MIL and SIL are coming today and leaving on Thursday. That gives me just enough time to wash sheets and towels for company that is arriving on Friday. I feel like I am running a bed and breakfast. The two visits are unrelated, but just happened to come back to back. So I am going to be a busy bee over the next couple of days.

I had originally hoped to be able to attend the big regional dkos meet up in Asheville this weekend, but with my company coming in on Friday, my plans became moot. The folks with the Asheville dkos group are a really cool bunch. The main organizers of that group are randallt, Joieau, dave houck and Lamont Cranston, all good and very fun people. I am disappointed at not being able to attend because I wanted to hear Dr. William Barber speak on Friday and to meet Meteor Blades who is one of many of the FP'ers coming.

The main reason we are entertaining company this weekend is that my husband is riding in the annual fall Mountains to Coast bike ride. Each year the ride begins and ends in a different town in North Carolina. The starting point is always in western North Carolina mountains and the finish is always somewhere along the North Carolina coast. This year it starts in Waynesville which is not far from where we are so my husband decided to do it. It will finish at Oak Island, NC. One of our neighbors is also riding it along with three of my husband's Florida friends. We are hosting one of the Floirda couples coming up for the ride and on Saturday I am having a big breakfast send off for our friends who are riding this and their spouses. It should be quite the adventure as the guys who are riding this with my husband will all be camping each of the seven nights on the road. The ride offers a meal program which they are all going to use so that they do not have to carry their own food or cook out each night. At the end, the ride provides a shuttle back to Waynesville.

Tomorrow, Pope Francis is scheduled to address Congress and already a lot of folks are in an uproar. I am not Catholic, but I believe that it is great to see the leader of a major religious group address some of the most pressing issues facing humanity today. Not everyone is particularly happy about that prospect.

Pope Francis is scheduled to address Congress on Thursday. There's a good chance he'll dwell on two of his signature issues: global poverty and climate change. These issues are not especially popular with congressional Republicans. So perhaps it's a bit surprising that, so far, only one of them has publicly expressed trepidation about the speech.

Already Republicans in Congress are trying to dictate what the Pope should be saying to Congress. This is the same group that invited Netanyahu to speak before Congress on the issue of treaty negotiations with Iran.

In interviews with CNN, a wide array of GOP lawmakers argued that the Pope's message should stay away from the political fights consuming Washington, and many expressed strong disapproval of the fiery views he's espoused since taking over the papacy in 2013.

"I think it's totally inappropriate that the Pope is weighing in on all the real sensitive, far-left issues," said Oklahoma Republican James Inhofe, one of the most conservative senators. "I'm not a Catholic, but my Catholic friends in Oklahoma are not real pleased with it."

Rep. Paul Gosar, a Catholic Republican from Arizona, plans to boycott the event.

"I don't need to be lectured by the Pope about climate change," Gosar said in an interview off the House floor. "When he wants to take a political position, I will tell you: He is free and clear to be criticized like the rest of us."

It's high time someone from outside will say what needs to be said to Congress and to the American people about climate change since only 48% of all Americans believe that climate change is caused by human activities. I think Pope Francis might be just the man to do it since he has a world wide audience. From what I have been reading, the Pope's remarks will be intended to be provocative and to make law makers uncomfortable.

"He is coming to the richest country in the world. I believe he is going to challenge us to say with that comes great responsibility," said Rudy Lopez, executive director of Interfaith Worker Justice.

Many observers expect Francis to implicitly rebuke Republicans -- some of whom deny a link between human behavior and climate change, a topic which he addressed in an encyclical in June -- for their reluctance to tackle global warming. The Pope may also wade into the raging debate about immigration in the United States, after warning earlier this year that nations that close the door on migrants should seek God's forgiveness.

But he's going to be an "equal opportunity disturber," said Rev. James Martin S.J., editor at large for America magazine, the journal of U.S. Jesuits.

Reaction to the Pope's speech should be very interesting.

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gulfgal98's picture

I began reading your links and I highly recommend them to everyone here. Highly interesting reading. I do not have time to read them through right now, but hope to get back to them this evening or tomorrow after my first wave of company leaves.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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I look at my two "atheist goddaughters," 11 and 15-going-on-16, and wonder what kind of world my generation of Americans is leaving them.

"We" supposedly "won" the Cold War on their behalf. Now instead of wall-to-wall media control by the USSR, they're immersed in wall-to-wall media meme casting controlled by Disney and the other privately owned global megacorps.

Ho ho ho, what fun! Disney's series "K.C. Undercover": in kids' minds, rebranding government spies and police informants as the good guys now …

Ironies, contradictions, and paradoxes abound.

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Those articles provide, what the author says we need, namely context.

I am asking those here who know the history better than I do to check the articles and give us their opinions.

Are they true?

This is an alternative treatment of the empire than the analogy to the Roman Empire that I have read about. But it is related and it is brought up to the present and the past and what happened during and after WW I and WW II

I have been following Greenwald for over a decade and Jeremy Scahill, wikileaks, Thomas Drake, Jesselyn Radack (on twitter ) so I have been aware of the issues of whistle blowers and wikileaks, etc.

This video of the kick off of the book on the empire from wikileaks, hosted by Jeremy Scahill in a dark auditorium in the Bronx, with Assange on the screen through a video feed, this really hit me hard.

We are an empire. The State Department with their offices are the sites for military and economic dominance of our empire. (Know about the one thousand or so military bases around the world, the special forces in 105 countries, Manning, Thomas Drake, etc., etc.) but this link really brought home that there has been a coup and wikileaks is an essential link to the cover up in classification.

The physicist Freeman Dyson has had top security clearance for decades and he comments that only 2% is really secret and the system is used to hide fraud, waste and abuse and is a threat to democracy.

But the Scahill & Assange session shock me. They said that the most important first amendment trial in the last 20 years, Manning's trial, was not covered by the corporate media even though it has direct relevance to their own work.

The ISA, I think it is the International Studies Association, the top foreign policy academic organization, forbids the references to the wiki leaks foreign policy cables. They said that this is the biggest set of foreign policy documents, 40 years worth, in the history of the world, and academics cannot work with them and publish their results. That is why Assange and wikileaks wrote their book.

These two articles have a longer historical and economic focus, the video has a more narrow focus about how the rulers of the world use national security to hide their deeds like those in the 2 articles

Here is the link to this video

Book Discussion on The Wikileaks Files
Julian Assange talked about his book, The WikiLeaks Files: The World According to US Empire, in which he lays out the information contained

http://www.c-span.org/video/?328099-1/julian-assange-wikileaks-files

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our Nobel Prize president signed legislation to spend $1 trillion updating nuclear weapons over the next decade

the only places we can use them is Russia and China (unless we come up with some new enemy - maybe Polar Bears)

this article is from Germany and I had to click to translate it

It was in English a little while ago

http://www.zdf.de/frontal-21/stationierung-neuer-us-atomwaffen-in-deutsc...

deployment of new US nuclear weapons in Germany

On the Bundeswehr Büchel Air Base in Rhineland-Palatinate start these days preparing for the deployment of new American nuclear bombs. This is confirmed by US budget plans, present the Frontal21. Thereafter, in the household of the US Air Force from the third quarter 2015 funds for the integration of the new atomic system B61-12 in the German Tornado fighter-bombers are ready.

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Americans comprehensive medical care including price controlled prescription drugs, eye-glasses, dentistry and hearing aides.

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To thine own self be true.

gulfgal98's picture

In Afghanistan and Iraq will end up costing the US taxpayers between $4.5 and $6 Trillion when it is all said and done. That estimate was done in early 2013 by Linda J. Bilmes of Harvard University. I suspect those costs have probably risen again. What a waste down a black hole when we could be investing in our future to combat climate change, our youth, and jobs here at home.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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And a Happy Equinox to you all:

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbnujaAbD2A]

And as if on cue, to take advantage of the Pope's arrival, HRC (aka FSC, aka Her Nibs) decided to ride his cassock tails and declare she was opposed to KeystoneXL for the following reasons:

I think it is imperative that we look at the Keystone XL pipeline as what I believe it is: A distraction from the important work we have to do to combat climate change, and, unfortunately from my perspective, one that interferes with our ability to move forward and deal with other issues

I just wonder what kind of dressing goes with that word salad?

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"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon

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Over and over, Hillary continues to prove that she is not a leader, but a follower. It seems to take forever for her to even take a position and it is long after her two main opponents have already staked out theirs. Her "me too-ism" is incremental and self serving and does nothing more than nibble at the edges because she cannot afford to offend her big money backers.

BTW, that word salad is served with generic triangulation dressing. Biggrin

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"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon

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just opposed to that it gets in the way....so if other things were "cleared up and dealt with" then she could revisit this topic and perhaps be in favor.

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She is trying to make it appear that she might be opposed to it, but never really says one way or another. This is the kind of bullshit that should be exposed to the American people.

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absolute bs. double speak coming form the Dems in congress and the Obama administration you would think that anyone with a brain in there head would wise up. I think the problem isn't that anyone believes what the pols say but that many just believe that this state of affairs is normal (inevitable) and are okay with it as they are frightened of what would happen if the god awful system was broken. Chaos and anarchy Oh no's the Chinese and Russians would invade. stock markets would crash and savvy business men would not rule the world. They cannot envision a world without tyranny.

Axelrod called this 'the world as we find it.' It wasn't always like this look at the trouble Nixon got in with his illegal sleazy 'it's the law of I say so.'. Nowadays people say well this is legal cause a bunch of freaking banksters, war criminals and bent pols and courts/supremes said that it was. This is what happens when the underpinning of the rule of law, the separation of powers and checks and balances are abolished. Assange once said that the US government was not only writing and implementing new illegal laws but they we're interpreting old law to write new law. Everything is wide open because national security and national interests. This also includes international, universal law and human/civil rights that have been established by humans to keep these freaking psycho's in check and stop them from making 'the world as we find it' a lawless viscous hell.

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Company is supposed to arrive early this afternoon and I need to finish getting ready for them. Y'all be good and I will check back in a while. Wink

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catholic person I've known, was Robert Stone. He said this:

They saw wild pigs running near the lake, and a soaring osprey. The mountains drew closer. Papyrus grew beside the water. Pelicans made their geometric, card-trick pterodactyl dives.

They had reached the edge of the Paz petrol roadmap Lucas had been using to navigate. Its corner sections were worn away and missing.

"Do we have a decent map?" Lucas asked.

"Just this," said Sonia.

She handed him the rental car company’s map. It was not very detailed.

"This is the kind of map that killed Bishop Pike," Lucas said.

"The one for us," said Sonia.

He said this:

His weariness with things was frightening; it smacked of obliteration, a wall of anger and fatigue that felt as though it might sweep him into nothingness. Worst of all was loneliness.

There were times when he was capable of rejoicing in himself as a singularity—a man without a story, secure from tribal delusion, able to see the many levels. But at other times he felt that he might give anything to be able to explain himself. To call himself Jew or Greek, Gentile or otherwise, the citizen of no mean city. But he had no recourse except to call himself an American and hence the slave of possibility. He was not always up for the necessary degree of self-invention, unprepared, occasionally, to assemble himself.

And sometimes the entire field of folk seemed alien and hostile, driven by rages he could not comprehend, drunk on hopes he could not imagine. So he could make his way only through questioning, forever inquiring of wild-eyed obsessives the nature of their dreams, their assessment of themselves and their enemies, listening agreeably while they poured scorn on his ignorance and explained the all too obvious. When he wrote, it was for some reader like himself, a bastard, party to no covenants, promised nothing except the certainty of silence overhead, darkness around. Sometimes he had to face the simple fact that he had nothing and no one and try to remember when that had seemed a source of strength and perverse pride. Sometimes it came back for him.

He said this:

"We're supposed to believe that Christ has gone on to reign in glory," Lucas said.

"No," said Herzog. "Jesus Christ suffers from now until the end. On the cross. He goes on suffering. Until the death of the last human being."

"And that," Lucas said, "brings you here?"

"Yes," said Herzog. "To attend. To keep on waiting."

From the steps of the church, the evening smelled of car exhaust and jasmine.

"I realize that in this kind of world," Lucas said, "I have no business being so unhappy. I realize also that on a religious level I'll always be a child. It's absurd and I regret it."

For the first time Herzog smiled.

"Don’t regret it, sir. Perhaps you know Malraux's Anti-memoires? His priest tells us that people are much more unhappy than one might think." He offered Lucas his hand. "And that there is no such thing as a grownup."

He said this:

"I would like to go to the Lion’s Gate," Raziel told him.

The Romanian volubly refused. When Raziel realized that his driver's mind was not about to be changed, he got out of the taxi and set out on foot for the Old City.

Approaching the end of the Via Dolorosa, almost at the Lions' Gate, above the shouting he heard a voice he knew. It was the voice of Adam De Kuff speaking from the upper quadrant of his interior universe, strong, unafraid, joyful, thoroughly delusional. Raziel shouldered his way through the ranks until he saw the man himself.

He wore what looked like an army jacket that fitted him so badly its cuffs stopped a little past his elbows. He had hugely baggy army trousers and untied muddy boots whose laces coiled around his ankles and twisted underfoot as he shuffled passionately from one end of the bench to the other like a dancing bear. There was a kippa on his head and a white scarf tied around his forehead like a turban and he crooned at the top of his voice.

Raziel kept trying to force his way closer to the old man. He had the notion of taking him away from there, before the thing failed utterly, before all spells and mercies were suspended, before whatever grace that had touched their pilgrimage was withdrawn and the violence and raw holiness of the place overwhelmed everyone.

De Kuff himself understood only that he was in the place he knew and loved best, the scene of his successes, the ancient Serapion and Pool of Israel. All that day he had been trying to reach the souls within himself as they weaved in and out of his consciousness. He had begun to think that everything he had ever believed about soul and mind was wrong. There was no way to exercise control.

But there at the Fountain, his souls were manifest and his heart was full, and in the completeness of his joy he had no choice but to tell about it. It was necessary to tell everyone, anyone, no matter how distressed or distracted they might be by politics or by the illusion of separateness and exile that burdened everyone. He felt elected and protected by God, ready to support the Ark in the holiest of places. He used the metaphors that were employed in this city, although, in a way, it might have been anywhere.

"Call me as you like," he explained to the angry crowd. "I am the twelfth imam. I am the Bab al-Ulema. I am Jesus, Yeshi, Issa. I am the Mahdi. I am Moshiach. I have come to restore the world. I am all of you. I am no one."

There were screams of terrible passion. "Perish he! Death!"

People began to throw stones.

"Death to the blasphemer!"

De Kuff opened his arms to them. For a moment those who were advancing on him stopped. Raziel, shouting, shoving, tried to get through.

"You don’t have to listen," Raziel said to the crowd. "It's all over. Rev," he shouted to De Kuff, "it's all over! Another time, man. Another soul. Another street."

The men who were taking hold of De Kuff, pulling him down as he tottered on his bench, also laid hands on Raziel.

"Another day!" Raziel told them. "Another mountain!"

"I tell you," De Kuff informed them in his restrained Louisiana drawl. "That all was once One and will be and has always remained so. That God is One. And faith in Him is One. And all belief is One. And all believers in Him, regardless of sect, are One. Only the human heart divides. So it is written.

"See? Do you see?" De Kuff asked the men who were pulling him down. "Everyone's waiting. And the separateness of things is false."

He went on declaiming, using the images, the reversals, the metaphors everyone knew, expounding the souls, raising their voices, until the great holiness turned to fire and he lost consciousness.

And he said this:

When he began, she thought: I must do this, I must finish this, not him. She cast the compassing of her mind as high and wide as she could reach toward strength and mercy. She cried because at first, there was nothing at all. Only the blows falling.

Though he beat her beyond fear, she kept trying. Until she was awash in all the shameful juices of living and still she kept on. Though she forgot in time who he was and what the pain was about she was able to think of the tears, the blood, and mucus and loose teeth in her mouth: these are not bad things, these are just me and I'm all right.

His electricity was shaking her loose of her bones. She never worried about screaming. The shocks blinded her, they were going to kill her.

He had hurt her head somehow and closed off light. She knew it would not get better and that she would never come back. She reached out as she had to the unresponding sea in the empty afternoons of the last months and still there was nothing and she cried. She could only live between shocks and the time was so precious. She was no hero.

Sometimes the best I’m capable of, she told him, is a little quiet probity. Tried to tell him.

Once she saw her fingers moving and she knew the electricity must be moving them. Her ring was gone. Then something began to come and she did not recognize it. She asked herself what it was when she had the time, in between. Whether it was inside or out there. Whatever it was, there was hardly anything else. It was greater than electricity and electricity was strong. It was stronger than the strong, stronger than love. It seemed as though it might be love. She was too weak to bear it. Too tired for it.

You after all? Inside, outside, round and about. Disappearing stranger, trickster. Christ, she thought, so far. Far from where?

But why always so far?

"Por que?" she asked. There was a guy yelling.

Always so far away. You. Always so hard on the kid here, making me be me right down the line. You old destiny. You of Jacob, you of Isaac, of Esau.

Let it be you after all. Whose after all I am. For whom I was nailed.

So she said to him: "Behold, the handmaid of the Lord."

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Interviewed during Iran’s commemoration of the 1980 invasion of Iran by Saddam Hussein, military chief of staff Maj. Gen. Hassan Firouzabadi dismissed suggestions that the ongoing war against ISIS would require the US and Iran to cooperate.
“You must be dreaming,” Maj. Gen. Firouzabadi said, saying “the Americans are the ones who created ISIS” and that the US involvement in the ISIS war has been ineffectual. Admiral Ali Fadavi, a top Revolutionary Guard commander, echoed these sentiments, saying that the two nations may have common interests in the ongoing war, but that the nature of the two nations meant direct cooperation was impossible.

But we are important!

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But of course, they will not. If the American people really had a clue about these wars, they would be mad as hell about all the money being wasted. I will not even go into the immorality of all these wars. Dash 1

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

We should keep an eye on this

Two members of the pro-Kurdish HDP party, Turkey’s EU Affairs Minister Ali Konca and Development Minister Muslum Dogan have tendered their resignations today, in an apparent protest of the government’s military offensive against the Kurdish PKK.
The HDP had been in the opposition, but became part of a unity “election government” after the ruling AKP failed to get a majority, and is holding some positions in anticipation of an election this autumn. Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said it was unlikely either minister would be replaced before the vote.

Konca and Dogan were the first two HDP members to ever get ministries in a sitting national government, as this was the first time the HDP got beyond the 10% threshold to be able to have seats in parliament. The party has long been a pro-minority party with strong support in the Kurd-dominated southeast.

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Different souls have different ideas of what that entails — putting oneself on the line for the sake of "doing G~d's work."

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Hey Nancy, I'm so sad over this, I have nothing to say. Two 60' trees taken down that could have been saved but they were not in the plan. The brown brick building is also for sale, so the other trees down the street are doomed as well.
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I am a big lover of trees. Our yard is very well shaded and during the summer, the temperatures here at my house are easily 10* F cooler than down the street where there are no trees.. I noticed how sterile the streetscape is now compared to the before.

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envelope. They are building 2 towers, 11 stories and 15 stories, right to the sidewalk with no set back, so the trees must go. They cut 4 mature trees. All the neighbours I talked with are upset. There's a real estate boom going on here.

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Bill Gross is right

Bill Gross said the Federal Reserve needs to raise interest rates as soon as possible, trading some near-term market losses for longer-term stability and a healthier financial system.

If zero interest rates become the long-term norm, economic participants will soon run on empty because their investments aren’t producing the gains or cash flow needed to finance past promises in an aging society, he wrote in an investment outlook on Wednesday for Denver-based Janus Capital Group Inc. That’s already beginning to happen as Detroit, Puerto Rico, and, he predicts, soon Chicago, struggle to meet their liabilities.

“My advice to them is this: get off zero and get off quick,” Gross urged the central bankers. He said it’s time for a “new thesis” that allows people in developed economies to save, enabling liability-based business models to survive and spurring more private investment, “which is the essence of a healthy economy. Near term pain? Yes. Long term gain? Almost certainly. Get off zero now!”

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drive the savings of those who have some into the Wall Street casino. Costs of living continue to rise, and saved funds, at zero interest, effectively evaporate, thus those who have some must gamble in the market. It works on most small & mid-sized businesses with any temporary cash surpluses as well.

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...see what the Pope can do... For two days there is no justice spoken. Courts have to pray for forgiveness with the up on high for all the bad decisions they have imposed on innocent lives...

Good Evening. I am late. I know. Sorry for that. One day I will be on time. Have a good rest of the day.

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are enamored that he purports to support one or two things that they also support and that he thereby pisses off the G.O.P. Temporarily ignored are the things he opposes that they support and the things he supports that they oppose. Unnoticed, or at least unmentioned in that fact that he devotes essentially none of the Church's vast resources to attacking these problems that he exhorts us all to solve.

Meanwhile, he is also here to sanctify Fra. Junipero Serra, an imperialist colonizer, slave holder and slaver, guilty of torture, genocide and mass slaughter. He is being "sainted" because he was such a great recruiter, by force, bribery and other nefarious means, converting the natives by the score. He is, in short, being sainted for committing cultural genocide. This has ever been the Church's role and model in world affairs, and rings like a bell in the conscious when one reads the "is it war yet" article.

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