Some Advice to Dems: Stop Whinging Continuously About Trump

Submitted by LaFeminista on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 1:51am

I have said this for awhile now, it's free publicity and his supporters will not be persuaded to join you no matter what you say. The MSM loves Trump's crazy stuff, they will report everything he says so let people make up their own damn minds.

Scary, Racist, Sexist, Bigoted Trump!
World ending Trump!
Big Red Nuclear Button Trump!
Did you see/hear Trump's latest horror show!

Such a waste of effort if you ask me.

You are giving the impression that the only thing that the Democratic Party stands for is:

Not Trump

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What I am hearing is:

We aint got nothing, just say no to Trump.

Take Bernie's example speak about things that matter and mean something to independents.

Income Inequality
Universal Health Care
Protecting and improving Social Security
Demilitarizing the Police and ending the us against them mentality.
Black Lives Matter and that is strongly tied to income inequality and access to equal eduction.
Ending Wars [avoiding the militaristic and xenophobic feel of your convention would have been a good start]
Liveable wages $15/h minimum, paid holidays, paid maternal and paternal leave etc.
Affordable education and equal access to good education, deghettoization of education.
Sensible and real gun control.
Climate change and The Green Economy and what a benefit that will be to real well paid jobs.
Jobs, jobs, jobs and good ones at that.
Stop pandering to the lobbyists, stop taking their money if you are serious about campaign finance reform. Break the plates at the silver service dinners.

For god's sake stop comparing yourselves to Trump, it does not convince anyone and:

It's Her Turn
She is with us
She is not Trump

Do not cut the ice.

Forget Trump; he is his own worst enemy.

You have at least 40% of the population open to being persuaded [the unaffiliated and those that do not vote] you don't need ex-Republicans or their policies.

If not for Hillary than at least for the down ballot candidates who might feel the backlash more than the figurehead, remember congress is about as popular as covering your head with slugs.

Stop the mindless fucking chants of #USA #USA #USA, leave that to the brain dead.
Stop calling those on the left that dare to not follow without demanding that questions are answered: Dead Enders.
Stop pointing at those of us on the left and accusing us of White Privilege whenever we disagree.
Stop blaming Russia for your own DNC's total failure and the hacking of unsecure servers.
Stop pardoning Dems for exactly the same things we used to attack Republicans about under G W Bush and Reagan

Go On

Give it a go

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Submitted by wmholt on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 2:13am

Nice Post

It is embarrassing to see people accusing Trump of everything the DNC has already been doing. It's even more ridiculous that the DNC is not only deflecting the conversation to who leaked the emails, rather than what's in them, but is tying Trump to Putin in a way that only a child would believe.

Submitted by LaFeminista on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 2:14am

It will come back and bite them. I hope.

Submitted by detroitmechworks on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 2:15am

Almost forgot 'It's Her Turn"

Which makes no sense whatsoever, unless of course we decided to become a Feudal Monarchy when I wasn't paying attention. Considering how much I've been pissed off recently, I know I've been paying enough attention.

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Submitted by LaFeminista on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 2:17am

I'll add that one, I forgot and it's a keeper.

Submitted by LapsedLawyer on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:19am

Or America: The Board Game.

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Submitted by Cassiodorus on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 2:32am

Advice to Dems:

Please be someone else.

& forgive me if I'm wrong but I don't see any of the Dems actually comparing Clinton to Trump. Trump is Hitler y'know, but there's never any actual comparison of Trump promises versus Clinton promises, or Trump policy record versus Clinton policy record.

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Submitted by LaFeminista on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 2:35am

Nothing in detail

Just she is not Trump/Stop Trump

So there must be a comparable difference somewhere

Submitted by Leu2500 on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:35am

She pees sitting down.

Submitted by dervish on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:38am

Trump is German

So even that is anyone's guess.

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Submitted by dervish on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:47am

The only difference that I can discern

Is that Trump might start more wars, but with Hillary, it's a first order priority. Good God! The woman takes advice from familiar neocons, including Joe Lieberman (board member CNAS).

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Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 6:29pm

difference somewhere

So there must be a comparable difference somewhere.

"I can't see one here!"

. -- MIT "Dungeon" game (Zork predecessor), 1975

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Submitted by Salish Sea Ceph... on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:44am

There is a reason for that...

If you actually do a side by side comparison about policy Clinton ends up either losing or in a tie. And the only reason it'd come out as a tie is because she is better at political non-speak than Trump and/or because seemingly everybody loves putting their thumb on the scales for Hillary.

Submitted by Cassiodorus on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:38am

I want to see it laid out.

Here are the categories: public reaction, control over Congress, foreign policy, domestic policy.

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Submitted by mimi on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:49am

Trump is Hitler? - Yeah, compare from where they came from

and how they grew up - very much alike those two boys, right? So, how do I express sarcasm that is acceptable to the admins here? Just adding /s ... I think JtC didn't like us to become sarcastic too much on C99p.

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Submitted by Alligator Ed on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:24pm

Your analogy is misleading

Trump = Mussolini

Clinton = Stalin

Submitted by lothbrokr46 on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:33pm

nope

not even close. wake up. Stop bombing Bernie. he has a plan. You will fuck it up

Submitted by detroitmechworks on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:37pm

You seem to have 2 comments

1. Kos Is an Asshole
2. Listen to Bernie, and stay the course...

I'd suggest not repeating the same things over and over if you want to participate, please.

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Submitted by riverlover on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 2:46am

It is so liberating to become, officially, Not Them!

You forgot "she's all about women and children first". All I see was a title or two at various jobs she took to make check-offs on her pre-Presidential qualifications To Do list.

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Submitted by LaFeminista on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 2:54am

that one would actually have some merit

Her speech at the UN "Women's Rights Are Human Rights" I will give credit where credit is due was excellent, but that was way back in 1995, I was 18 at the time and it did resonate.

http://www.un.org/esa/gopher-data/conf/fwcw/conf/gov/950905175653.txt

Submitted by riverlover on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:07am

I was then a busy wife, mom of 2 and scientist, sorry

(that was a Canadian reflexive sorry, and I am not one). But 1995!!! Those laurels are compost now.

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Submitted by LaFeminista on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:26am

Indeed they are compost now, but that was then

Submitted by Salish Sea Ceph... on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:49am

But any time you start a war...

In any war a whole lot of people die for little if any reason - beyond enriching a few already rich pricks. And of those killed a whole lot are women, children, and everybody else (who apparently aren't lamented?). Given that she has played major roles in starting the Iraq war, the Libyan war, the current Syrian war, and other 'military actions' around the globe...I don't think there are enough flowery words to make up for that.

Submitted by LaFeminista on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:27am

Indeed, change in someone is not always a positive

Submitted by Caerus on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 8:06am

It was a good speech

and I give FULL FULL FULL credit to the woman who wrote every word of it. It wasn't $hrillary

Submitted by elenacarlena on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 9:21am

That's it? She gave some speeches?

I thought at least maybe the Foundation paid for some domestic violence shelters. Or water wells. Or micro-loans.

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Submitted by LaFeminista on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 9:27am

That has been the problem with so many of our

politicians speech writers.

Good rhetoric ruined by the reality of their tenure.

Submitted by Leu2500 on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:38am

I was 32.

And my impression was mighty brave to give this speech Outside The country.

Submitted by Alphalop on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:29am

It really is pretty liberating throwing off the DNC shackles

doesn't it?

More than once I wondered if that sense of liberation and (I dunno the right words to describe it, "Freedom?") whatnot that I feel/felt upon doing so is at all similar to those experienced by members of the LGBTQ community when they decide to "Come Out"?

I feel like even though I have lost a primary I have gained something else, it's an intangible thing that I can't really put my finger on, but I feel almost jubilant, like I don't have to hide who I am and what I believe because "Groupthink".

Usually I am never at a loss for words, but this has been something I have been trying to put together and clearly define for some time but it still eludes me.

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Submitted by riverlover on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:09am

Also, It Takes a Village, which now refers to a bombing run

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Submitted by LapsedLawyer on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:31am

And her first ad since the convention is all about how awful

a man Trump is:

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrX3Ql31URA]

I mean, that is some really stupid anti-Trump shit right there. "Oooo, Trump is a bad role model! Oooo do we want our kids watching that?" Sweet Jeebus, is that what you've got? Do we want our kids watching you bomb the living bejesus out of some village? Hell, do we want our kids listening to that insane Joker's cackle for the next four years?

Please, just concede the election, now if you're going to be this inept. Ads like this should be seen as human rights violations under the Geneva Conventions.

Thanks to all you Hillary voters: We now get President Trump; a House and Senate in firm, supermajority Republican hands; and a Supreme Court full of Scalia clones, all for decades to come.

Fucking idiots.

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Submitted by LapsedLawyer on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:39am

Oh, and one more thing.....

THE single most vomit-inducing disgusting Leni Reifenstahl blogging ever done celebrating that Nuremberg Rally in Philly this past week. Yeesh!

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Submitted by lotlizard on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:15am

Yecch. Driftglass has changed beyond recognition.

Used to be one of my favorites. Gave up reading when Driftglass — inexplicably in my view — went all-in for the NSA and started attacking Snowden and anyone who had a good word to say about him.

Submitted by LapsedLawyer on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 7:58am

That seems to be a common theme among left-leaning blogs

TOP went the same way, as I see it -- although there were a lot of hints of it with Obamacare as well.

If you really want a "yecch" look at the home page and you'll find a hateful post on Dr. Cornell West. Kind of says it all, really: Hillary as the Dear Leader and Dr. West as Goldstein

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Submitted by elenacarlena on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 9:30am

I like this part:

a timorous band of Both Siderist children, moral cowards and professional jellyfish whose only dogma is mindless fidelity to the delusion that what they see happening right in front of them cannot possibly be happening. Who would travel 1,000 miles just to find a fence to straddle. Whose holy mantra is that somewhere under the gargantuan steaming pile of shit that is the Republican Party there must be a pony, and that somewhere in the Haight-Ashbury of their imagination, some Dirty Hippie is probably doing something right now that is somehow as equally and oppositely disqualifying as Paul Ryan or Mike Pence or Trey Gowdy or Donald J. Trump

Too bad he doesn't realize that he's looking in the mirror, calling himself a liberal.

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Submitted by Alphalop on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:38am

What in the hell is a "Siderist"? I even googled it and got

nothing other than a couple links back to the same site with them using that word.

It's a new one to me...

One thing I can say, that piece was some godawful Rah Rah garbage if I ever saw one.

That bubble is gonna leave a lot of bewildered people standing around going "WTF Happened?!?!" when it finally pops and the fickle finger of reality gives them a goose.

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Submitted by elenacarlena on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 12:05pm

Both Siderists. The media who present both sides as if they

are the same. "Both sides do it". They'll do it now with Jill and Johnson, if they follow the third party players at all. Betcha.

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Submitted by Alphalop on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 12:49pm

Man, that is an odd word choice..

Honestly after reading the piece I have no idea what the overall intention of it was other than, "Team A Good! Team B Bad! Must Smash Team B!!!"

Despite the "Unification" between the Democratic and Republican parties they will still hold on to the, "BOTH PARTIES ARE NOT THE SAME!!!" shriek that they have been spouting forever while ignoring the ongoing evidence to the contrary.

Binary thinking is a real problem...

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Submitted by elenacarlena on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 1:14pm

I think you understand their intentions perfectly.

I think it's a coinage.

At any rate, if the third and fourth parties get any traction, watch the MSM say something like, "Neither the Dems nor the Repubs were able to achieve unity after very contentious primaries. Now Jill Stein on the left and Gary Johnson on the right seek to take enough votes away from the Ds and the Rs to spoil their chances and allow an extreme choice to win the White House. Join us while we interview these fringe candidates."

See? Both sides do it. Stein and Johnson are both the same!! (And they're weird, you don't really want to vote for them.)

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Submitted by Lily O Lady on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 12:10pm

I guess that's "Both Siderists" which could mean, gee I dunno,

"Both sides do it" although I'm not entirely sure what "it" is and why "it" would cause us to vote for Sanders when the DNC has gone to all the trouble to nominating a perfectly odious candidate to rub our noses in. Then there's the something something "dirty hippies."

Keep it up DNC! We can feel the love. /s

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Submitted by lotlizard on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:50am

Show those kids some Sarah Silverman comedy routines, stat!

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/10/24/quiet-depravity

Submitted by OLinda on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:11am

As I recall,

Bill in the White House was not that great for kids to watch. What nerve to run this ad.

Submitted by Damnit Janet on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:17am

I had to explain to my kids the term "BLOW JOB" thanks Clintons.

when they were little kids. Can't watch the "news" because blue dresses, cigars and blow jobs.

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Submitted by mouselander on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:54am

Those who live in glass houses...

The following article contains some interesting info regarding recent antics of that moral paragon, Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton was frequent flier on pedophile’s private jet ‘Lolita Express’

Apparently Jeffrey Epstein's plane had a bed where Jeff and his pals engaged in group sex with underage girls as young as 12. After a criminal investigation, Epstein ultimately got an unbelievably generous deal whereby he was allowed to plead guilty to a single count of soliciting an underage "prostitute", and served 13 months in prison. He's now a registered sex offender.

According to the article, "The arrangement saw authorities agree not to press any criminal charges against 'any potential co-conspirators of Epstein.'"

Also notable is that Bill ditched his Secret Service detail before joining these flights on at least five occasions.

But hey, Donald Trump - foul mouth, bad manners so... vote Hillary!

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Submitted by AnotherPeasant on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:21pm

I wish it were that cut-and-dried, Mouselander

OK, Mouselander et al, time to call you out on this, as gently as I can, given my current emotional state (blind, barely-directed, VERY long-term, rabid political rage), and recent alcohol consumption.

IF we are going to bring up allegations of Bill Clinton's criminal sexual behavior vis-a-vis convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, wouldn't it be fair to mention that Donald Trump was ALSO one of Jeffrey's buds? -That he ALSO was a guest on the "Lolita Express", more than once? -That Epstein's leaked "little black book" had no fewer than 14 phone numbers for Trump? -That there is a Federal Court case pending by a woman alleging that Trump, with Epstein's assistance, brutally raped her when she was only 13 years of age?

But I'll just quote The Donald on the subject of Epstein, from an interview in New York magazine:

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

NOW THAT'S HARDLY CREEPY AT ALL, IS IT?

Why aren't we talking about the fact that Trump and Slick Willy were golfing buddies, or that the Clintons were guests at his wedding? Has everybody here already forgotten Trump defending his Presidential golf buddy against charges of sexual misconduct? Could we please remember how to say OLIGARCHY? There is barely a millimeter of distance between the two criminal fuck-heads we have been presented with as "obvious choices".

I have this silly, old-fashioned notion for all of you that are still agonizing over the Trump-vs.-Clinton "dilemma":

Vote for a candidate that is free of PENDING FELONY CRIMINAL CHARGES. 'K?

I know, too radical. But-

Dr. Jill Stein qualifies! I don't even know that much about her, except that she HAS been arrested -- for protesting, three times, all of them political, and that she's even to the Left of Bernie, who has also been arrested over political protest. I'm OK with that. Notice how you can describe both of these SOCIALISTS' shocking criminal pasts without ONCE using the words "rape" or "13-year-olds"?

The Dems had their chance to elect a decent, honorable, honest centrist, and fucked it up. Now they can pay the price.

But Trump is part of their little skeevy, connected, nearly-un-prosecutable clan, and he needs to pay the price, too.

The media sycophants can, and will, keep playing their "Trump - The Greatness" recording all they want, where he's a savvy author (ghost-written) and entrepreneur (with Daddy's money and backing), and successful businessman (he bankrupted a CASINO, for fuck's sake!), and where he really wouldn't be THAT bad of a President. -Better than HRC! -Like that's a distinction worth noting, OR that there's any proof of that assertion.

But I find it sickly bizarre, and suspicious, that Slick Willy rouses those pedo / rapist accusations, while Trump skates blithely by. They could find trenches full of dead children in Trump's back yard, and there would still be media talking heads, and even normal people, 'splaining it away for me. I expect that from the major (i.e. conservative) networks. But not from here. It is a LOT more than "foul mouth, bad manners". Please do not mistake the symptom for the disease.

I understand if you must hate one of these two lying, fascist, racist, anti-Labor, pseudo-Christian, pro-police-state, pro-billionaire, chicken-hawk demons more than the other. But I would thank you for not pretending or implying that the other one is not ALSO a lying, fascist, racist, anti-Labor, pseudo-Christian, pro-police-state, pro-billionaire, chicken-hawk demon.

I understand the problem - for the first time in my life, I find I just don't have enough righteous hatred to go around. So I try to hate both selections equally, even if, sadly, that means I can't give either of them the full measure of hatred they deserve. We're only human. We do what we can.

But if we all hate both of them TOGETHER, we could have a Third Party, AND a woman for President...

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Submitted by Bisbonian on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:29pm

Right on!

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Submitted by LaFeminista on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:31am

If you stop watching when I did then all

you get to see is Trump. I forced myself to watch until the end afterwards

Submitted by mouselander on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:34am

Here's a good rebuttal

#Drumpf insulted a gold star mother.#Hillary2016 voted to create 4424 gold star mothers & sold the book for $14M.pic.twitter.com/boylsWmHFe

— #VoteJill - Not Hill (@BernieTheBest1) July 31, 2016

Bad manners, disgusting rhetoric versus cynical, depraved, brutal and destructive acts. Decisions, decisions.

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Submitted by Alligator Ed on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:47pm

Thank you but no thank you

I am suffering from ACSD--acute clinton stress disorder. I wake up with bad dreams, I hear cackles when no one is there. Involuntarily I drop to my knees and pee myself, when someone mentions her name as the modern day Jeanne D'arc. I experience what my shrink tells me is hysterical blindness whenever I see her--because I don't see HER--I see a lying sack of shit--which then elicits my olfactory hallucination of smelling shit for hours after even a brief exposure to her Heinous.

I asked my shrink for "the black pill", but all he could do was prescribe blinders and ear plugs.

I also suffer from Trumpophobia. Ugh! Is there no rest--I'm going back to my swamp now.

Submitted by orestes on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 1:19pm

The amusing thing to me

about the clintons is that any argument they make can be turned back at them because they're so filthy.

Let's talk about the children, hillary, when your husband lied directly to the american people and brought a semen stained blue dress and cigars and seducing interns and sexual assault allegations into the public discourse. They think people have no memories.

Submitted by sojourns on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 6:27am

Yep. Due to his predictibility

Trump is just boring. Dangerous, but boring.

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Submitted by Lily O Lady on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 7:42am

Too late now! Hillary's got the bit in her teeth and is

(she hopes) heading for the barn with her fallen soldier banner. Trump is taking a drubbing on GMA over his typically stupid remarks on the DNC Convention's honored war dead. Never mind that the man gave his life for the mere appearance of democracy with election fraud rampant and the TPP looming, we wave the bloody shirt in your face, Mr. Trump! /s

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Submitted by boriscleto on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 7:46am

The Political Compass says it all

The Political Compass

Are the fat cat vulgarian and the hawkish pin-up girl of Wall Street really the finest minds and noblest characters that America could come up with for its highest office? Identity politics will, again, triumph. We’ve had a black leader. Now it will be cool to have a woman, right? Thinking progressives, however, might reflect on the uncomfortable truth that a President Trump would be relentlessly scrutinised, criticised and checked not only by the Democrats, but also by many in his own party. Conversely, a Democratic president, ultimately more different in style than substance, would implement a largely Republican agenda in all but name and get a relatively easy ride. Haven't the last eight years of neo-conservatism and Democratic deference brought the country too close already to a one-party state masquerading as a two-party state?

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Submitted by LaFeminista on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 9:29am

I'm with Jill and Bernie

very much in the green box.

Submitted by Alphalop on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 12:14pm

Damn! My Compass is way more to the Left/Libertarian than I

thought!

My Political Compass.png

I guess I am a Far Left Winger and almost as far from authoritarian as you can get, which makes me wonder how the hell I ended up working as a Peace Officer, lol!

I am way more left than Stein or Ghandi which was a surprise...

Got one that shows where Sanders is on it?

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Submitted by Dhyerwolf on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 1:57pm

I believe Sanders and Stein are in relatively similar locations

which is weird to me, because Stein is clearly far more anti-war and often to the left of Sanders on other issues as well.

Submitted by boriscleto on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:19pm

The compass from the primaries is at the bottom of the page

Bernie was about as centrist as it is possible to be for a politician.

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Submitted by Bisbonian on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:34pm

I did a poll on LOF four years ago, and all those

that participated were right about where you are there, Alphalop. I deleted all my other diaries, there, but I left the two related to that up. Just for spite. I suspect most of us here are in the same general area.

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Submitted by LamontCranston on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 8:37am

"Where's the beef?"

I for one would just like to hear or read Clinton's policies (and Trump's as well) as opposed the "vote for me or else" BS politicking we hear on a daily basis.

Where are the issues that face us and when will they be discussed?

Where are the candidate's stands on those issues?

I guess we'll all just have to find out when they are in office...... At least you knew where you stood, with Bernie Sanders.

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Submitted by LaFeminista on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 9:26am

Exactly it's just a scream fest

Submitted by Alligator Ed on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 4:53pm

Two rhetorical, oxymoronic suppositions

1. Trump can't elucidate any policies except "we're gonna be great, believe me!"

2. Medusa won't reveal any of her true policies, because if she did, she'd have to kill you

Submitted by Bisbonian on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 10:35pm

Her only policies are

"I'm not Trump".
"oooo, scary Trump!"

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Submitted by Flowergirl58 on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 9:01am

The Democratic Party = The Republican Party

They can whine & clutch their pearls til the end of time. I will not live my life afraid. I will not vote for the lesser of two evils again.
I am finally free because of their obvious corruption. They have made it clear to me that they do not need my vote.

Toby Zeigler at The Progressive Wing says it better than I can in his post called "Enough is enough! Brothers and sisters, vote Jill Stein in 2016"

We Must Break the Political Duopoly! JILL not HILL!

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Submitted by Jane123 on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 9:42am

The one thing you can say about Trump

Is that he actually WON the republican nomination. Hillary, on the other hand, did not. She broke the glass ceiling and got the nomination through voter suppression and election fraud... I don't even recognize the Democratic Party anymore...the lights are off and the roaches are out in full force.

Submitted by lotlizard on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 3:01pm

I agree. I can’t understand how people are ready to gloss over

the election fraud in the Democratic primaries as something of no consequence.

Well, I can understand it — understand it as the Democrats’ tacit surrender to, and embracing of, the “faith-based” Rove–Luntz–Leo Strauss ideology that they once found so repellent during the Bush-Cheney administration.

Remember this?

The aide [later said to be Karl Rove] said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

Trump’s success seems to have led or forced the GOP of 2016 to abandon some of the Rove–Luntz–Leo Strauss neocon philosophy — just in time for the Democrats to adopt it for their own.

See how they expect us to view it now? The Hillary “empire,” in boldly stealing the election, “created their own reality.” In their view, the “reality-based” Bernie backers have now been “left to just study” that theft as a fait accompli, with no recourse.

That’s why I say, don’t vote for Hillary. To vote for Hillary now means blessing her “empire” and its “new realities” — i.e., accepting with no further protest her grab for supreme power, founded on lies.

Submitted by featheredsprite on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:32am

To those of us who are supporting the Greens

We don't have time to criticize Trump or Clinton. Let them carry on their cat fight between them.

We need to spend these last few precious days talking about things that really matter to real people in their real lives: peace, health care, environment, jobs, education, oppressive debt, etc.

We have so much to offer. We need to be talking about it.

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Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.

Submitted by Alphalop on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 12:21pm

I sorta agree and disagree with you on this Feathered.

While I don't want to see this place turn into the equivalent of the front page at GOS, I think these discussions and conversations are important in that they may help either prevent others from backsliding into accepting lessor evilisim or aid in getting others to reject it.

The other reason is I really don't want to create an atmosphere where people have to fear posting what is on their mind either, and lets face it, both Trump and Clinton are going to be on a lot of our minds for some time.

There is plenty of space on the internet though so I think there is room for it, but I DO agree 1000% that we also have to avoid getting so sucked into this kind of discussion that we neglect the work that needs to be done.

It's a difficult question to answer to be sure, but my default choice is, "When in doubt err on the side of speech."

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

Submitted by Hawkfish on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 11:37am

The worst part

Is that there is no room for any other conversation. Even here all we seem to talk about is Trimp and Clinton. We just talk about them differently.

There is very little air left in the various media. We need to somehow start talking about what we want without reference to the two maniacs in chief. What we want has broad appeal so it has a chance. I don't know how to do that but it is very necessary.

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
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Submitted by Alligator Ed on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 5:00pm

The sun is shining--the outlook is becoming Green

Submitted by rmwarnick on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 12:01pm

Hillary's messaging

Those who watch cable TV can track the messaging that comes from the campaigns on a daily basis. Interview guests repeat talking points given to them. Lately HRH Hillary Rodham Clinton has been putting out "decency" as an attack on Trump, suggesting he has disqualifying character flaws. Like all the best propaganda it's true, and obviously aimed at right-wingers especially female. Ties in with the "OMG the children are watching" ad Hillary is running.

They accuse Trump of dissing the Khan family, after Mr. Khan spoke at the DNC and insultingly asked if Trump had ever read the Constitution. Of course Trump has gotten away with so much already it's hard to know if any accusations will stick.

Another Hillary talking point has to do with Trump's lack of commander-in-chief cred, which is probably aimed at "security moms" and neocons. If I were Trump I would again bring up the futility and mind-blowing costs of unwinnable wars halfway around the world. Peaceful relations with Russia would also pay dividends, but they are smearing him as a pal of Putin so he probably won't go there. Hillary is actually proposing that our planes engage in dogfights with Russian aircraft over Syria.

A third talking point is the claim that Hillary’s economic proposals would most likely result in more jobs, while Trump’s ideas would bring on a downturn. Most likely the now-overdue recession is coming no matter what, and the question I want answered is how can we save the middle class from taking another huge hit?

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Submitted by gjohnsit on Sun, 07/31/2016 - 1:47pm