Jane Sanders Interview with Rolling Stone

Submitted by Bisbonian on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 5:14pm

I don't have much to say...it's worth reading, as usual. Jane has impressed the heck out of me this last year...especially over the Oak Flat deal (our little local hell that we had been fighting against with little success until she heard about it.) She gives a lot clearer picture in this interview than any of the speculation we have all been reading for the last couple months. They are not giving up the fight...even though they are not taking it the same direction most of us are. I can't argue with a two-pronged attack.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/jane-sanders-why-bernie-vo...

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Submitted by TheOtherMaven on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 5:22pm

Just one minor point:

It isn't "If the Democratic Party starts backing away from the platform" - it's "When". I hope the Sanderses are prepared for that.

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Submitted by KnotIookin on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 6:15pm

It's not even WHEN BUT how long before voters

Catch on that they have again been HAD

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Submitted by Bisbonian on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 8:53pm

Yeah, she said "if"

But I think reading between the lines, the message was there.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

Submitted by Miss SPED on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 5:26pm

Still crying.

I love Jane Sanders and I plan to vote for Bernie if he is a write-in in Texas.
It makes even the thought of voting for HRC unthinkable.

Submitted by Leu2500 on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 5:33pm

What really stood out for me.

Was when she spoke of the meetings they had with locals, no press. That's how it should be done.

Not Hillary's phoney listening tour with carefully vetted locals & questions & the press and the cameras shooting the ads.

The first is real; the 2nd is for show.

Submitted by Bisbonian on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 8:52pm

It was very real

I was so impressed.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

Submitted by mimi on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 5:47pm

I will never blame Bernie for anything, no matter what...

... I tried to get over it with some sort of joking myself out of this tragedy.
Not any more.

Thank you for posting this.

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Submitted by vtcc73 on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 5:52pm

Sellout?

First, Bisbonian, thanks for this. The Rolling Stone piece is awesome.

To those who still feel abandoned by Bernie, read it. Or not, wallow in anger if that seems right. Your choice but this quote from the interview says it for me:

I'm curious what it's been like for you watching those supporters inside the arena this week.
I've had a lot of reactions to it. We met with the delegates the first day, and there were 2,000 people there, and it was really heart-wrenching. I couldn't not let tears come down. I tried not to, but all I could think was, We let them down.

How do you mean?
[Tearing up] We did everything we could, but we didn't win. And they were so sad about it. People have been making it sound like they're mad, and they should just get over it. No they shouldn't! They shouldn't just get over it! What do you expect? How do you turn on a dime? We understand that. We understand that we earned their support and their trust. Now Hillary Clinton has to earn their support and their trust. And we will hold [the Clinton campaign] accountable because we are endorsing her. We are that much more committed to making sure [she follows through on her promises], instead of saying, Oh, it's politics as usual, people change. We're not going to let that happen. Not without a big fight, if anything. If the Democratic Party starts backing away from the platform, ever, we will fight like crazy to support the work that all of these millions of people did.

How they will be able hold HRC responsible is a valid question. It's also one I wouldn't want to have Bernie demonstrate were I her. We'll see.

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Submitted by dkmich on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 6:24pm

Wallow in anger? Gee, we're so lucky to have

you here to set us straight and tell us what we think and feel.

If you want my attention, you'll have to be a lot less condescending and preachy. I am quite capable of managing my own emotions, and I don't need your grief counseling.

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Submitted by vtcc73 on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 7:18pm

I see your point.

Please don't take what you don't need. Thanks.

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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."

Submitted by Ajaradom on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 9:28pm

Thanks dkmich! Ditto! Damn straight!

Submitted by KnotIookin on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 6:19pm

Hey Hey LBJ

Millions of Americans screaming in the streets has quite an impact on re elections and midterms

First thing I would like to see is a match up of names of BIG DONORS to HRC appointments...

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Orwell was an optimist

Submitted by pro left on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 7:41pm

What platform ? Who's platform ?

Imo The platform is done after tonight.

Submitted by lotlizard on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 9:55pm

What about the election fraud, Jane?

Basically, people including Jane and Bernie are implying that to beat Trump, we have to close our eyes to election fraud.

And if people who are supposed to be providing moral leadership are saying that we should close our eyes to election fraud in the primary, why wouldn’t the same apply to the general election in November?

So what these interpretations of Realpolitik boil down to is, forget about the process being rigged against Bernie — it’s our moral duty to pitch in and help rig the process against Trump now?

Although they don’t explicity say so, between the lines it’s our duty to do to Trump what DWS and the crooked media did to Bernie? (From the way ~~their~~ they’re running with “it’s the Russians” stuff, it’s pretty clear that the media are already on board.)

Do “everything” to stop Trump — the word choice is not “everything above board” but “everything” — that includes lie, cheat, and steal, right?

Hmmm.

Submitted by Ajaradom on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 9:31pm

Excellent point! Thanks!

Submitted by Cassiodorus on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 10:08pm

Yeah, I was looking for something to briefly relieve --

the ongoing Dream Syndicate moment I'm having here:

This isn't it.

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“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon

Submitted by dancingrabbit on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 10:30pm

One could almost say

that Sanders just "normalized" election fraud just as Obama normalized torture, wars of aggression, drone murders of brown people in faraway countries as well as in Dallas.

Reality is a far cry from the propaganda the US brainwashed its citizens with from childhood as well as most of the citizens in the the so-called developed countries of "the West."

Time to wake up, engage those critical thinking skills.

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Submitted by Lookout on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 8:45pm

Thanks bisbonian

I loved the article. It is us.

Not me us.jpg

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 9:11pm

They realized they were not

going to be allowed to win once Obama and Reid told him so in no uncertain terms. Thst's why he was so angry at the DC rally.

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Submitted by Bisbonian on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 9:27pm

Yeah, that seems to have been

a major turning point. My theory...Hillary was promised the Presidency this year, back in 2008. She jumped on board for "unity" then, knowing it was a done deal. And Bernie almost fucked it up.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

Submitted by TheOtherMaven on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 9:50pm

So we're really living in a Demockery,

and have been since at least 2000, if not much much earlier.

Feh. Maybe I will write in Mephistopheles. (Or "Mr. Mistoffeles" - first transgender feline president.)

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Submitted by dancingrabbit on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 10:15pm

"Promised the presidency"?

By whom? And by what authority?

So many questions ... who gives a damn anymore?

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Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 10:27pm

By the powers that be.

The establishment. The corporations. The 1%. The oligarchy.
It was her turn and they were going to see to it. The super delegates fell into line. Bernie definitely almost fucked it up. I honestly think he didn't realize how corrupt it truly is. He is a principled man. He will go about it a different way. Thank you, Jane.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

Submitted by Bisbonian on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 10:33pm

Exactly.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

Submitted by MarilynW on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 9:58pm

Reading Jane Sanders' interview with Clinton

talking in the background. Bernie was about the issues and policy but Clinton says "I" and "me" a lot. Self-praise is normal
for a politician but she over does it.

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To thine own self be true.

Submitted by Bisbonian on Thu, 07/28/2016 - 10:35pm

"I"

versus "we".

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X