Too soon?

What a crazy few weeks we've had since the CA primary. It's seemed like our political world has collapsed around us. The urgency of politically based solutions to so many dire problems like climate change, energy independence, financial industry instability throughout the US and the world, endless war in our name, jobs or rather the lack of stable, adequately paying ones, feeding and housing everyone, and on and on hasn't lessened. The problems are still there. The possibility of dealing with them is gone. We saw the light of hope go out. The champion we saw rising to a position with the power to begin solving all of these problems had lost with another stolen primary election in the last big state. Then not long afterward all hope of being saved by the FBI was gone. Our champion capitulated to his opponent in a way many found disgusting. The Democratic National Convention we'd once seen as the end of the beginning of a road to electing our champion is now a symbol of everything we know is wrong with our country: corrupt to the very core.

Damned depressing picture looked at in one pile. Broken dreams and hopes. Despair replaces hope. We didn't think it was possible and now we're supremely pissed off. Some of us have given up while others are finding new resolve to continue the fight. Many see the promise of a new champion to replace the fallen one and are hitching their star, their hopes and dreams, to hers. A few will continue to fight with the old champion although the road to something or other is less clear. Some still bear hope that the scandals of our nemesis will catch up to her before she is installed at the head of the people investigating her. There even looks to be some hoping for a giant meteor to win the day. All of us have become caught up in it.

First we couldn't believe this was happening. It looked like we'd lost everything we'd been working for. Then we were royally pissed at everything and everyone we saw as ruining our lives. Some, maybe most, still are. I think all of us are still begging for some way to stop both the Donald and her of Royal Inevitability. More than a few, maybe less so in our community, have or will just give up. A few have even come to accept that the fight for this election is over. The next four years, at least, will be dark times. The hardy few will know that the fight must continue if we are to ever find justice and a decent life for all of us rather than only a few. Who sees what this is? Anyone?

I was so caught in the various arguments, fights, endless grasping at straws that I didn't see it for what it is until yesterday. It took a while for my thoughts and ideas to pull themselves together. So what did I see? I can't be any clearer. Loss. Denial. Anger. Bargaining. Depression. Acceptance. What is it?

Grief. Each of us is in one of the stages of grief from a bitter loss. Speaking of the loss is one part of moving forward. We lost our champion. We lost the chance to change our lives to one many if not most of us despise. We lost the way to better lives is not saying it too overly dramatically for some of us. It isn't the end of the world but to some this may be what it feels like. No matter where we are on the grief road we're still pretty raw from the experience.

Whatever we feel, the road to feeling better is naming what each of us feels we lost. Grief loses some of it's power when we acknowledge it. We can come to see it isn't the end and we can find hope from which we can find a path forward out of our grief. It will happen by itself with time but will never be complete unless we each do the work needed process how we feel. I don't care if we think we've gotten beyond the disappointment and are moving on by working for the GP and Jill Stein or are still with Bernie or something completely different. Processing the grief we fell needs to be done.

I'm confident I'm going to get the full range of comments from "fuck off don't tell me what to do" to "OK you might have a point." Lets talk.

I'm definitely not telling anyone to STFU and get over it. We're each in our own stage and will have to work through each stage. None of us can just get over it. Some will work through it faster than others while some of us may never be able to move forward.

Anyway, this is my observation from the past few weeks. Consider it or reject it. I have nothing in it personally but I hope most of us will decide to work through how they feel. It will help if we're hurting. Thanks for reading.

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I am not grieving, I know what I will do.
I will never vote for HRC. I made that decision nearly ten years ago.
'Too soon' for HRC arm twisting and guilt trips? No good time for that stuff.

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You very well may not be grieving. Those who were fully prepared for the loss or not really invested can recover very quickly. Only you can decide. I trust your judgment for what it's worth.

For others who might read this a common tactic to avoid dealing with uncomfortable feelings is to throw oneself into action. Becoming buried in work is probably the top avoidance method. I'm not saying this is the case. You will know if it is.

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lies in the knowledge that they no longer even try to hide their malfeasance. Either that, or there are some incredibly stupid, short-sighted people running that shitshow.

But believe me, I can grieve and be crystal-clear on what comes next: it's called Green Party advocacy. Jill Stein is already on the ballot in FL, and I'm going to do everything I can to ensure she gets on a lot more ballots. I hope you will join me, but if you don't, I will understand.

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but I will vote for Jill Stein. My deep red state ensures a vote for anyone other than Trump is meaningless although that is not the only reason I choose to vote for Jill if she is on our ballot. I'll also continue to follow Bernie's initiatives. I think they are complimentary efforts and worthy of my support.

I'm past grieving for the loss of American democracy. We can't lose what never really existed although we have retreated far from what way 40-50 years ago. I accepted this loss a long time ago. I actually welcome their willingness to no longer hide their corruption. That will lead us closer to their undoing if the lessons of history run true.

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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."

Thanks for the amazing essay? (whatever the term is here, lol, keep dodging around different sites) but great and perceptively appropriate writing.

Only in this case, throwing oneself into working toward another hope wouldn't be avoidance of grief, but of disaster in the case of either evil. Even without some Bernie miracle, Jill is rising and there are still 5 months to go! Jill may not be perfect, but no one is, and at least she respects life over corporate power.

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The purpose of the work is irrelevant unfortunately. It is using the distraction of being overly busy to drown out the hurt that is harmful avoidance. Doing good work is always admirable but sacrificing your well being may not be the right thing to do. That choice should be a conscious one.

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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."

Lol, sorry, the question mark was for the term 'essay' which may or may not be the common term here. I actually kept calling everything diaries every site I went to, which shows how too much time spent at DKos, habit and a bad memory affect me, and I'm trying to get away from that term, now that TOP has flushed itself into the sewer of irrelevance.

At any rate, I thought your work was great and I appreciate the thought and the discussion that was triggered.

And, yeah, you're absolutely right.

Edit: need to start sleeping, certainly retaining my treasured Typo Queen title tonight!

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I know but i had to play with it. Toss a kitten a ball of yarn.....

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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."

Yeah, I probably would have, too. Just wanted to be sure that hadn't been taken the wrong way, really.

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Now I think I can put this thing to bed for the night. Later.

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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."

Democratic insiders never let leftist insurgents win an important primary race. I can't think of a single example since George McGovern, though there may be some. And the party leadership threw the election rather than let McGovern win the general.

I didn't think Bernie would turn around and run third party, because he's a man of his word.

I always saw the Sanders campaign as the next step in a long-term process of changing politics, the true successor to the Occupy movement. When Bernie had run his race and bowed to the inevitable, I tried to remember that this was something I had known was inevitable, and it was time to move on.

I'll always be grateful to Bernie for what he's done. He's articulated an agenda for the movement. He's brought a lot of people into the process, and encouraged them to work together outside the Democratic Party. And perhaps most important, he's opened a lot of people's eyes to how corrupt and undemocratic the Democratic Party truly is. That's a hell of a lot for a 74 year old man to have accomplished in 15 months.

You're right that there's a grieving process a lot of people will have to go through. But we must move past the Sanders campaign to invent the next phase of the movement. It probably won't take place in this election season. Maybe organized hacking will take the place of corrupted "journalism." Maybe a grassroots political movement will succeed in electing a lot of people to local and state offices, and grow into a new party. Maybe right-wing and left-wing populists can ally on an economic platform to oppose neoliberalism. I don't know what will come next. I just know that giving up can't be among the options.

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I allowed myself the luxury of thinking maybe, just maybe, Bernie could pull it off. I knew the odds were tremendously stacked against it. I really thought I was inoculated about feeling down if he lost. It hit me harder than I expected but I was prepared enough that I worked through how I felt fairly fast. Then I got frustrated that people weren't dealing well with the loss. Only yesterday did I recognize that it was perfectly reasonable, no, to be expected that they couldn't move forward without processing the loss. I wrote this for awareness.

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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."

Well, Bernie actually won the nomination, in reality, but his win was stolen from the people earmarked for sacrifice to the corporate Mammon, as has been occurring in the US for freaking ever.

What happens now in great part depends on whether large numbers of people continue to accept being defrauded of their Constitutional and human rights, because a number have drawn the line at this blatant primary theft from voters and if their numbers continue to grow, the tipping point of change may be reached quite rapidly.

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Some of us never supported Sanders so there is no reason for any stage of grief regarding his capitulation to the Democratic party. Some of us are completely outside these emotional feelings about Sanders.

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So maybe I'm off base. If so, someone tell me I'm in the wrong place, like that Friday night in Baltimore when I got lost leaving the ballpark.

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and your in the right place. I think loving or hating pols and constantly looking for and finding a new leader to take us to ??? wherever is counter to democratic representational governance. It always leads you right back where you started from. 'Don't follow leaders and watch the parking meters' is a good political point.

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i've got my headphones on to drown out the Hillary Clinton speech on the television just 20 feet away that my other half is watching. i wanted something instrumental so hearing lyrics wouldn't interrupt my reading concentration. the only thing instrumental i happen to have in my music library was a recording of Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade and i'm listening to it now. Clinton's voice still manages to cut through the quieter sections of the piece.

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I'm not grieving either. Never supported anyone running as a war-monger in the War Party. Certainly have never thought that one person, man or woman, matters that much as Prez. What's a Prez? Why do we need one?

It's all just the Election Spectacle Circus to keep people distracted and entertained while not doing anything of import.

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Just asking from an informational/educational standpoint.

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I was thinking of writing an article titled, "Why I Will Not Vote for Jill Stein". You might see that later on. Or maybe tomorrow. I'm in favor of a boycott of the Presidential ticket.

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reading your comments and I to am curious , if you care to comment about what you think would happen if no one voted for POTUS or maybe you already have and I missed it.

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expose the illusions of this country and its fabled democracy, tell our rulers that we aren't going to take this crap anymore. It would force a national discussion about this political system. Of course, no one voting for POTUS would be a miracle, but an organized, vociferous boycott of Trump/Clinton could trigger major changes. And maybe we could actually prevent both of them from becoming president.

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I had not considered but I will definitely give it some thought.

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They really ought to have a No Quorum box to check and if they get insufficient votes, they gotta scrap the race and begin again.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

Nice idea, but TPTB would have someone appointed without the bother of faking an election. We should boycot the corporations/billionaires supporting Hillary and those involved with the TPP, if we can find out who they all are and with what companies they're involved.

Edit by The Typo Queen.

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because those who do not vote become the Not-Counted. Invisible by fiat. Banished as a statement by MSM. Weird, because I generally like flying under the radar, don't want to be noticed. Voting (and paying the enormous load of taxes, fees, surcharges, etc) are statements of citizenship. And given there is not a None of the above box on voting sheets is like being forced to don a Cloak of Invisibility.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

To the ptb it is a win win if we decide not to show up. They have tried a lot of methods to repress the vote and the one they go for the most is to make the act of voting totally unpalatable.

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It is not some sort stage of grief, but it is all about grieving for a lost opportunity for the next generation. Four more years of whomever will seal the coffin for the viability of this earth for anyone who follows us. Would Bernie have delivered? No. It was not about Bernie, but it was about what he stood for. Now all it is about is destroying any grass roots movement. And the oligarchs are winning and still winning big.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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Dealing with the sorrow or sadness that comes from losing one hell of a close fight is nothing unusual or to ignore. There are big issues with big impact for everyone on the planet. How does it not take an emotional toll?

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I said that last year when we thought it was going to be Clinton vs Bush, that we couldn't have a better situation to tell them to shove it up where the sun don't shine. Clinton vs Trump is just as bad. We can still do that. And I wasn't making light of those grieving. It was the tone that the entire blog was made up of Bernie supporters in various stages of grief, so just a reminder that its a non-partisan blog not restricted to supporting political candidates or even participating in elections.

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if folks would go back and read what this blog was like before the Great Migration.

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Seems to be coming around.

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That’s why he won.

On the Dem side, all the corrupt people and methods were in place to make sure the stand-in for “shove it” was slandered and had no chance.

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then Shillary Greedham Clinton has no chance. They'll "shove it" right in her lying face. I do not desire this outcome, but I predict it.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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“Obama is the best president since FDR; Obama, Eric Holder, and his other appointees did the best anyone in their position could possibly have done.”

The 99% may perceive failures, but that’s only ignorance or right-wing talking points. Any sense of grievance is due to racism, misogyny, and xenophobia. That aside, there’s no real reason for the 99% to complain.

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It is not some sort stage of grief, but it is all about grieving for a lost opportunity for the next generation. Four more years of whomever will seal the coffin for the viability of this earth for anyone who follows us. Would Bernie have delivered? No. It was not about Bernie, but it was about what he stood for. Now all it is about is destroying any grass roots movement. And the oligarchs are winning and still winning big.

Unfortunately, you've nailed it. Four more years, with the Trojan Horse 'trade deals' and domestic law in all involved countries off-shored, with unlimited industry pollution and abuses, the dismantling of all remaining human, animal and environmental protections in industrialized countries around the world, and what ordinary person will have the resources to even organize, with law built round protecting the maximization of the 'anticipated future profits' of thousands of ruthless corporations and billionaires, in which effort civil and military forces will doubtless be employed? And in a perpetual 'state of war' in the military subjugation of countries not economically captured?

It's now or never. That stolen primary cannot again be permitted to stand as a 'done deal'. This has continued to worsen continually because every fraud has been permitted to stand as a done deal and they always benefit from their crimes at the expense of the people and environment. It's fight this peacefully now because our lives and the future of life itself depend upon our stopping it now - or keep accepting it in a degraded state of corporate serfdom in a rapidly dying world.

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Have you read the Rolling Stone interview with Jane posted in a different essay? That helped me.

I have taken those thoughts you spoke about and for me, have tanslated them into this vision/timeline. Like the frogger analogy in a comment a couple of days ago . . . we keep moving forward as we jump to a different log. Bernie and Jane are still with us, but now in a supporting role. Like I said in another comment . . . Bernie was a John the Baptist figure, who went around giving rallies preparing for the next phase. He has passed the torch but is still part of the race.

For me the next step is two-fold:

  1. Bernie style rally promotions and online resources for a Jill Stein/Nina Tuner ticket. At the beginning of the primary I thought, "I really wanted it to be a woman this time, but Mrs. Clinton just doesn't have the policies or the record we need." I think Jill/Nina is the ticket our country needs and the ticket that can win.
  2. We need to take serious down ticket action this next month. In Texas, write-in candidates register in August. We need to fill up the ballot and make clear recommendations for every down ticket office. In Texas, that means I will create a "Does this candidate follow Jesus" score. Note: calling yourself a christian doesn't mean you follow Jesus. Example: Ted Cruz would score very low!
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Powerful stuff. It's just the point I've tried and mostly failed to make about Bernie since so many turned on him. I too was caught up in the details rather than seeing what people were experiencing. I'm sure there are other explanations for the change of behavior in our community but this one jumped out when I took the time to ask what was going on.

The most positive sign I see is people moving on in action. I don't think it matters whether we support Jill Stein and the GP or follow Bernie's lead, or both, or something else. Only becoming bitter and withdrawing from the process is a greater loss.

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I used to be part of all that.

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“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon

Bernie gave it his best shot, and he got a ton of support from what is now a much stronger movement. We gave the establishment a run for their money.

Unfortunately, we're now facing a nightmare general election despite our extraordinary efforts. Trump is running to the LEFT of Hillary, who in turn is marching to the RIGHT in the hope of finding votes from anti-Trump Tea-GOPers and neocons.

Progressives are going to be on the sidelines, voting for Jill Stein. Again (for me at least). Just remember if Trump wins, the super-delegates have only themselves to blame. Don't let them try to pin it on Bernie.

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in writing this essay was to ask people to check themselves for signs they weren't adequately coping with how they feel from the last few weeks shocks. The behavior pointed to the possibility people were failing to deal with their grief over a loss. Any loss connected the primaries, the upcoming general, or the political cesspool staring us in the face. Feeling like shit and facing the situation you point out can overwhelm people. Maybe we don't have to feel bad for what is past.

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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."

There are as many or more Indies as there are Dems or Repubs. If enough people have the sense to vote (failing a Bernie miracle, which hope can be pried from my cold, dead hands,) against both evils and for Jill Stein, she'll have the votes to win.

But never forget that Bernie won that nomination and if nothing is done about that theft and it is left to stand like all of the others before it for the perpetrators to benefit and gain power and wealth from, there will never be an honest election or another chance for one. There will be that 'legalized' hostile corporate takeover and they'll be making domestic law to suit themselves in every involved country - the industrialized democracies of the world. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, not even for the Greeds.

Don midwest posted this link to a fabulous must-read site, which I found on The Progressive Wing and which despite being stats, effectively itemizes the history and analyzes the techniques of America's perpetually stolen elections as the few select those who will do their bidding over the heads of The People, to whom the country belongs:

https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/

Says - even only regarding the exit polls, that it appears that Sanders may have handily won the primary', if not for the massive voter suppression and cheating. But they cheated in more ways than one would have imagined possible... put it all together and see them in court and, one would hope, in prison for this fraudulent and traitorous act.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6J1ecILnk3UUy1KZ2FUT29iQ1E/view?pref=2...

Democracy Lost: A Report on the Fatally Flawed 2016 Democratic Primaries

Election Justice USA | ElectionJusticeUSA.org | ElectionJusticeUSA@gmail.com

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How many times does it have to be said. This is about all of us trying to get our Country back because many here feel, that being the most aware of the corruption, we have no option but to fight the ptb with a continuing movement. This didn't stop after the occupy protests wound down and this didn't stop with Obama's 2008 election and our subsequent disappointment. You sound as if you want it to stop. It ain't stopping no matter what the Clintons try to throw in our way. We got to work on getting good people in Congress and the State Houses so that we can have some control over Trump or Clinton. I'm still waiting to see if Jill can get in the debates and do us all a service with her truth.

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There is no doubt in my mind that Jill can win, especially if Nina Turner is her VP pick.

I mean wow. Real progressives. Real feminists. Real social justice. Real climate crisis intervention. Forgiving student debt (which it is amazing that Jill is the only one talking about it).

Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton totally suck in the shadow of those two women.

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I actually suspect that Nina could do more for the Greens than Bernie could.

Bernie has my love and gratitude, and my fervent wish for a happy old age. May he live to be 100 and love every minute of it!

Bernie may have started the fire, but he isn't the fire. We are.

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I guess I missed that part when I didn't write it.

I had one purpose in writing this: to get people to check how they feel about the past few weeks events. How I think you feel is loud and clear. You sound very angry. I may be completely wrong. You know what I can't ever know. One thing I can tell you about me is that I can't disagree with one thing you just wrote. Anger will not change one bit of it either. I also know from hard experience that raw anger can only take me so far until it eats me alive. I can't/won't ride that tiger anymore. It never served me well and I came to serve it. Maybe you can find some use in my experience. It is your choice. Thanks for participating.

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"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."

I see your point, but - if properly focused at those who stole The People's nomination vote in order to steal their domestic law and country and those of everyone else via Trojan Horse corporate coups labelled 'trade bills' - we need that anger. Just not used against each other.

The people united will never be defeated!

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in the right place is useful. Holding on to it is what is poisonous. What initially motivated us to action cripples if fondled too much. It strips us of the emotional and physical energy we need to continue in action. It sucks up time better spent working to solve the problem. It clouds our perspective and judgment, it is a barrier to communication, it is painful, and it wrecks relationships. Absolutely none of these are conducive to building a coalition to fight those who would subjugate us. And we're miserable as a bonus.

One good example is the idea I see written here by more than a few. The only people suitable are true progressives. Pick and choose between whether Bernie, Liz Warren, Elijah Cummings, Libertarians, teabaggers, Republicans, Clinton supporters, Trump supporters, kossacks, or anyone else might not be worthy enough to join us in our fight. The reality is we may just need some of each of those groups to build the mass we need to prevail. We are all in this together. We can't afford to miss picking up an ally due to an arbitrary identity label. This is not a popular opinion I know. People come around and we can't afford to push them away before we know if they can be brought into the movement.

The biggest tragedy to me about abandoning Bernie is losing his ability to build coalitions with people we think hate each other. He brought together so many millions out of the fifteen or so who attended his announcement for president in a public park in VT. What do you think we could do with his leadership if each of those millions could bring in family and friends? The GP was roughly 300k strong before Bernie. Many of us are over there now or over there too. With them there is a possibility of this getting the mass we need.

Just not this year or this election. I'd take bets but I couldn't in good conscience take your money. I see more unrealized expectations and disappointment for those who don't accept this. Yeah, I know that's unpopular too.

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Sure, a Bernie win would've been awesome. But it also would've meant that I was probably wrong about some of my darker corruption concerns. Turns out I wasn't wrong and I'm not particularly surprised by this outcome.

I'm not particularly depressed about it either. In fact, I'm pretty enthusiastic. The fact that we almost did it it is awesome enough but when you look at what that implies it's even better. It means an awful lot of people have woken up to the same reality I see and you see and most of the rest of us here on C99 see. To me it means that the revolution continues to gain steam and I always saw it as a long-term process. It didn't start with Bernie and it was never going to end with Bernie even if he won the general.

What I am right now is waiting to see how it'll all coalesce so that we can get better organized, get in better communication, and start winning... preferably at every level from dog catcher on up.

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No loss, no grief, no dealing with it. Thanks for your comment.

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Is to wait until the battle is over. We've got a long way to go. This is no time to allow myself to dwell on disappointments -- particularly not those that were founded on such slim hopes.

As you say. Everyone has their way of dealing. I didn't mean to diminish yours or the message in your post. Grief or not, the movement must go on.

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A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard

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I can have a pretty thick skin if needed. People under stress do and say all sorts of things. I can easily shed almost anything knowing it isn't about me. You have a valid viewpoint. Thanks for sharing.

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I think quite a number of us very much appreciate your thoughtful essay and discussion; can't imagine anyone directing anything negative at you unless out of misunderstanding. As you say, this is a difficult time, that being the point of your post, lol.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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Let me borrow from Bernie - It isn't about me.

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try to argue/badger/bully/guilt us into supporting Her Heinous.

Some people might be won over, later on - say, September or October. Some never will (I sure as fuck won't!).

Put that in your pipes and smoke it, Kosturds! Blum 3

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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are why I wrote this. Usually decent, reasonable people have been "off" or a bit touchy lately. That's a clear sign that everything is not right at C99P. Folks will use what I wrote or not, their choice.

The appearance of trolls isn't at all surprising or helpful to getting past the loss. I'd suggest they're returning the favor. How many times have our people gone there to poke the bear? Even the well intended informational diaries we published at TOP were seen like the ones we're getting now. They wouldn't be serving cthulhu properly if they didn't try. We also should remember that we don't have to feed the trolls either.

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I don't think very many have anything to do with DKos at all. (I for one haven't intentionally been back there since March, and I try to avoid clicking links that would make me go there.)

I really just don't see the point.

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of cross posting, diary saving from the hide rating mobs, and diaries meant to get a rise. I agree it isn't ongoing. Most have severed ties between sites completely. I'm talking about early on in March and April mostly but was never an organized push, only a few individuals. Equivalent? Who knows but it has happened. I'd suggest either side poking the other is not in anyone's best interests. Like it or not we are all in this together.

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is for those who are likely doomed by inaction on climate change.
Those who will die under the guise of american exceptionalism.
Those who are dying in an unjust prison system.
Need I go on about my grieving about how our current political system kills people?
I will never grieve for an unjust system. I will wish for it's demise.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

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I didn't write about them. I wrote this for you and anyone else willing to read. It is yours to take or leave as you please. Thanks for reading.

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I am disappointed that Bernie couldn't pull it off, but at least since Iowa we knew the cards were being dealt from the bottom of the deck. I am sad at the way the Democrats make him act like Hillary's organ grinder monkey, which I see as punishment for daring to oppose Her Heinous. I worry for Bernie once he returns to the Senate, for the possibilities of the Democratic leadership to make his political life a living hell are vast.

But all along, I had backup plans. One was to write Bernie in if he indicated he was willing to go that way. Jill Stein and the Greens were the next line in my political defense-in-depth. And should all else fail, and Stein goes down, on CA ballots I can still write in None Of The Above for President and just vote for the lower offices.

I am already prepared for Obama to sell us out with TPP during the lame duck session. That betrayal alone makes all else moot. We may discover that holding elections -even for local offices- causes a loss of profit for some foreign firm, prompting the WTO to order them declared illegal.

Yes, this is a bit extreme. But can we really deny with any certainty that this may prove to be the last election any of us get to participate in? Might as well shoot up all the ammo we have while we still can.

edited for typo

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

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of fear, anger, and resentment. The sense of loss accompanying those emotions is grief. You may not have any grief over this mess if you have no sense of loss. The really tough part is that some of us can convince ourselves we had nothing to lose while in the deep reaches of our mind we're hurting. I don't know anything about you so I couldn't ever suggest this is the case. I do know what it's like for those feelings to crawl out unexpectedly and smack me right between the eyes. I wrote this in the hopes people would consider it. as it might or might not apply to them.

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What happened in the primaries was a political assassination by the DNC of a man, who was a political revolutionary, a serious, elderly, decent, consistent man, who worked his heart out at age 74. He deserved all respect and support.

I am not grieving at all. I am glad he is physically alive and taught us all what is possible in this country. He was and is just an inspiration to continue to fight for the issues he laid out in his campaign and the necessity to prevent something like it to ever happen again.

For that you have to change the system. Party politics seems to be irrelevant as are your votes. Because you haven't found a way to change your electoral system and some other stuff in your antiquated constitution of yesteryears.

So working on that is what will be the future fight.

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I'm not sure most people think of it in those terms. Those who experience a loss, the magnitude of the loss is not important, either deal with how they feel or risk long term or delayed emotional turmoil. Grief is really easy to deny. It's hard to tell if grief is the issue when the first stage is denial. There's one case where what looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck might be a pig. The second stage is anger so it's really hard to tell if we're just pissed off or can't deal with our loss just yet. There are more than one essay and comment that displays one, or up to all of the stages. I wrote this so people could consider the possibility. My unofficial tally has not me as number one and I'm pissed as number two. Nothing to see here? Only each of us can decide. For what it's worth I'll take your word for however you decide.

Don't try to blame the constitution, antiquated or not, party politics, failure to change either or both, or voting/election fraud on me or any of us. I wasn't alive for the first one, all four were here long before I came on the scene, and I don't have the power to change them or I would have. I'd also undoubtedly fuck it up far worse just like you or any of us would. Other than that I'm pretty much with you. Bernie deserves much more than he's gotten in the respect and gratitude departments. He's one of the very few people who would have a far better life if he got what he deserves. (Most of us should be damned grateful we don't get what we deserve.) Somehow, I don't think he's going to complain. There's an example that won't get much of a following.

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Because of the pay for play with the Foundation and her SOS duties. And then replacement with a true progressive.

Any day now. Sigh.

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