What will this fiasco do to the final evaluations of Obama's Presidency?
Submitted by don mikulecky on Sun, 07/24/2016 - 9:31pm
It certainly can't help him. It is especially ironic because he was on track when he campaigned against Clinton.
For me it is one more reason to kick myself in the rear for having swallowed Obama's BS. He really took me in. Now that we have it all we can see how masterful he was at swindling us.
It might be that he will be remembered for Presiding over the death of his party and the total exposure of its corruption and deceit.
These are dark times. We have had them before but now it is at a time when sanity is survival and this nonsense is suicide.
The week to come will be the fulfillment of the old Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times.
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I must admit I didn't have that high expectations
of how Obama would be as President, he was an DP establishment candidate after all.
I still had to lower them as time went by.
PS
The all hopey changey thing I didn't buy, it was just sloganeering to hide the not so different, but hopefully not as bad as.
What this fiasco will do to the Obama Presidency legacy?
People won't want to think about it. There will be a lot of silence, if someone tries to touch the subject, at least for the next ten to twenty years.
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I always thought Obama was smart.
Even when I disagreed with him, I suspected that he was shrewd. What happened? He has been behaving really stupidly lately. And stupid is as stupid does.
If he doesn't cut himself loose from Hillary, he'll go down with her. And it might already be too late.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
He has made that bed. And put his blessings on her,
or will this week. I wonder if he regrets making her SoS in concession?
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Considering the fact
that he says that Libya was not a good thing, I think he does regret it. I also think that there may be a lot more going on behind the scenes that we don't know.
The Clintons are extraordinarily corrupt and probably have a lot of dirt on their higher level supporters.
It has been said that Obama does not actually like Hillary. For him to continue to support her despite the latest reveals says that either he is just as corrupt or there is sword of Damocles hanging over him, courtesy of the Clinton machine.
Take your pick.
Yaldabaoth, Saklas I'm calling you. Samael. You're not alone. I said, you're not alone, in your darkness. You're not alone, baby. You're not alone. "Original Sinsuality" Tori Amos
I agree
I thought he was genuine but I was wrong too!
If we had not elected Obama McCain would have been president for
8 years and Palin would be running for president. The illusion of the Democratic Party's integrity and honesty would still be in place. Not as many of us would be looking for other options than the two major political parties.
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
Obama was really the best
Obama was really the best available choice at the time. At least the American people were betrayed by a statesman who was nowhere near as destructive as the other options. But now there are non-corporate non-evil choices throwing the calculations of the calculating out of whack and they don't have anything except the same old nonsense people can see through now.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Obama was the best choice at the time.
The alternative was nuts.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
He ran and won on being "Not Bush",
then ran and won again on being "Not A Crony Capitalist" (even though by then he was in cahoots with them up the yin-yang).
He always won on what he was "Not". And we've had way too much of that.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
None So Blind As Will Not See
While still Senator, Obama showed us EXACTLY who he was with the FISA bill. He crowed loudly about how he was going to filibuster the bill to prevent passage, yet when the bill came to the floor he meekly voted for passage. He LIED.
It cost him my vote.
And how many still haven't seen Obama's interview with Univision, where he complains that no one should have been surprised when he presided as a "moderate 1985 Reagan Republican" instead of the Second Coming of FDR he pretended he'd be?
As a final thought, I wonder if the real reason Obama beat Hillary in 2008 was due to his being a much better (and thus believable) liar?
Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.
A better orator, after 8 years of gibberish
was an easy pick, bonus black. Hard to see Hill as first woman President. Better options.
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He won because GWBush was so inarticulate and such
an ignoramus that he had kiss Dick and Rummy and play the toughest guy on the battleship he landed on to claim that his missions was accomplished. Obama won, because he could talk and it was hard for everyday folks to not be relieved to get someone, who could talk and think on his own two feet.
He won, because millions of black folks hoped his Presidency would ameliorate the conditions of their lives. And they believed he would stop the wars on terror.
Even for low information voters the "image" of Obama didn't last long to reflect the "real Obama". For my son not more than a couple of months. His kabuki theater has done irreparable damage for many folks. I remember out of all Germans in the German TV news studio only one correpsondent did look through him from the beginning. I fell for him too. But the worst impact was on Veterans like my son. No need for a disappointment from someone "of his own" so to speak. For him to be disappointed by a "black guy" is as bad as for me being disappointed by "feminist woman" in office. It's already clear in the cards how much I will be disappointed by our "Superwoman".
Disappointments happen all the time and it's painful. We have to get over it and go on doing what is right in our own minds.
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If the human race survives
history will not be kind, but I must admit that I'm not sure ontologically.
He appears to be a moral coward, but we really don't know how culpable he is personally for his decisions. I wish I were hiding behind a curtain when he met with Hillary and Feinstein in 2008. (after which he stopped talking about "health CARE reform" and started calling it "health INSURANCE reform") And as for the NSA, it's unclear how much power any president has over the security state. As for drones and the Bush tax cuts and the auto bailout and the stimulus package and such, it is possible that he honestly believes his explanations. That would make the difference between a debatable level of incompetence, a debatable level of Republican forced moves, and willful malice.
But results-wise I expect that he will go down somewhere in the bottom 10, but where depends more on what happens in the next 3-8 years..
On to Biden since 1973
Obama
I used to think he was just weak, too accommodating of Republicans, a patsy. I also believed that it had something to do with racial hatred toward blacks. He was a disappointment as president, but look at his opposition.
Not anymore. He has finally revealed himself to be equally as corrupt as the Clintons. Worse yet, he has aided and abetted them, giving them a get out of jail free card for using their government positions to take bribes from foreign governments and corporations in exchange for favors, which shreds the constitution. It's also OK with Obama, as "leader" of his party, that Democrats, in collusion with state and local party officials, disenfranchised possibly millions of new voters and hacked voting machines to favor Clinton in districts with no paper trail. Oh, I could go on and on, but the gist of it is that Obama is using his office, the Justice and State departments, the FBI, and the corporate media to install a reckless global criminal and traitor in the presidency, and the American people and democracy be damned!
I get no cheer from knowing I was right.
Back in 2008, I found his speeches electrifying, but I saw him as just another corporatist neoliberal. My first choice was Kucinich. My second choice? GRAVEL!
I still occasionally wonder what would have happened if we'd had non-party ranked-choice voting back then.
HIS Legacy?
His legacy stinks like a rotting corpse in hell filled with oozing pus! Bet the only Obama library contributions he gets come from corporate types and foreign governments, oh and Hill & Bill of course.
Just wait, my friends,
until he rams through the TPP during the lame duck. The issue is all teed up: No anti-TPP language in the platform (so it couldn't be held against him), but Hillary came out opposed (an easy lie) while choosing Tim Kaine for her VP as a wink to her corporate owners that she doesn't really mean anything she says about opposing TPP. Brace yourselves, we've got a lot of "FU, progressives," moments yet to come...
"Dark and difficult times lie ahead. Soon we must all face the choice between what is right and what is easy." --Albus Dumbledore